WE NEED A POINT GUARD!!!!

[patso]

Cadougan is a good point guard who had a poor game. Marquette is having an epic year and yet no one can accept that college basketball is a game where you cannot bring it every night. If MU won the posters would have us in the final four. Let's see how it plays out and I for one have had more than enough enjoyment from this wonderful team.

[madtownwarrior]

he will be senior so it will be hard to recruit over him..  maybe if we had crean still....

[The Lens]

Seriously, don't know what Buzz saw in Jr's game that screamed to him that he's gotta have him?

There's a reason Mo Acker was welcomed back.

There's also a reason why they let him burn his redshirt.

Just surprised they didn't recruit over him more.

[MU82]

I'm going to put as much effort into this post as junior did into his game, so I'm copying and pasting my previous post...


How f**king embarassing!

JC is the most useless player on this team all year! Please junior go f#ck up again so I don't have to look at your a$$ the rest of the year.  Out of all the people you should be going to practice early instead of late!

You are embarrassing. Please find a different team to root for.

Criticism is one thing. Personal attacks are ridiculous. What next, Rush, calling him a slut?

[BCHoopster]

It's because Peyton Siva actually has the athleticism of a Big East point guard

As bad as JC played, lets give Buzz some of the blame as Siva was in total control against JC.  MU should have tried to slow the game down, JC tried to speed it up even more.  He easily
split the pick and roll and MU had no idea how to stop it, does Buzz no the word zone.  When Siva split the zone then another MU player came over to help, bad shot by Louy but had great
position for a rebound, 26 offensive rebounds, are you kidding me.  JC was out of control, but blame Buzz.  Not prepared on the D end, and offensively a mess.  26 turnovers, are you kidding
me, might have been the worst game since the Northern Michigan or Eastern, the first night of the NIT.  That game MU had no point guard, tonight was about the same.  My other point, is that you can see if Crowder has an off game, trouble.  Jae, had at 2 fouls that were very amateur for a senior.  He misses a layup then loves to hound the rebounder, get back and play D young man.

[dw3dw3dw3]

You are embarrassing. Please find a different team to root for.

Criticism is one thing. Personal attacks are ridiculous. What next, Rush, calling him a slut?

Yes, that is embarrassing. Please don't root for MU next week, go find a team from the WAC or something. Don't need your negative chi taking away from the positive chi.

JC, had probably the worse game of his life and lost a lot of confidence a long the way. He has shown the ability to bounce back and have nice games after some stinkers. Just so people understand how important he is to our team:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/roland_avg?season=2011-2012&conf=big-east
#1 Roland Avg in the Big East - Roland Average is the difference in plus/minus between when a player is on the court versus off the court. Granted it is skewed towards teams that win and the players on those teams, but that's the thing... it's skewed toward teams that WIN.

He makes the team go... stats back it up. He has a bad game, so does the rest of the team. It is not a coincidence Jae struggled outside of the fouls tonight.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Where are all the bozos who called me out when I said Junior is not a high major point guard? He's servicable, but as a Big East guard on a big stage he's just plain out manned. I've been saying all year he's the least athletic player on our team and maybe the least athletic starter in the entire Big East. Sorry, but Louisville smelled blood in the water with him tonight. I still have high hopes for the tournament, depending on match ups.

Great game by DJO. And I thought Blue had a nice game, too.

[brewcity77]

Junior turned it over what, 8 times? And his poor boxing out was responsible for...hmm...probably none of the offensive boards? So what about the other 18 turnovers and 26 offensive rebounds? Those numbers alone would have sank us without Junior's poor performance.

Yes, he had a bad game, but this was a team loss. Trying to pin it all on one guy is staggeringly myopic.

[Danny Noonan]

PRN- I won't disagree with you about Cadougan but MU does not have any other options.  Cadougan needs to play within himself for this team to succeed.

Also, DJO and Blue each had 6 TO's to go with Jr's 8.

[JD]

Where are all the bozos who called me out when I said Junior is not a high major point guard? He's servicable, but as a Big East guard on a big stage he's just plain out manned. I've been saying all year he's the least athletic player on our team and maybe the least athletic starter in the entire Big East. Sorry, but Louisville smelled blood in the water with him tonight. I still have high hopes for the tournament, depending on match ups.

Great game by DJO. And I thought Blue had a nice game, too.

I've been next to you on that argument all year as well.  Perhaps i should take your approach next time and not attack junior  personally.  The simple and concise fact is that he should NOT be a starting pg in the Big East.  (maybe for DePaul)

It's frustrating to know that 80% of the posters on here, would condemn Vander if he played like JC tonight, however if JC does it in one of the biggest games it's alright?  I recall countless times hearing how Vander is a high prospect so we should expect more out of him, soooo Junior wasn't?  Is everybody going to be sipping the Kool-Aid on how MU is a possible Elite 8-FF team if we lost to WV because of Junior couldn't make 1 of his 2 free throws at the end of the game?  I'm sorry but your pg is suppose to be clutch when it comes to FT and i just assume Buzz take Junior out when the game is on the line with 3 minutes or less to play.  Tonight was another game that our pg directly contributed the most in our loss. (Yes i know about the rebounding numbers as well, this is relating to individual performance)

Extremely disappointing to say the least, and when you add in his (extra circular activities) of being benched for multiple games it makes it that much worse.

[mues05]

Where are all the bozos who called me out when I said Junior is not a high major point guard? He's servicable, but as a Big East guard on a big stage he's just plain out manned. I've been saying all year he's the least athletic player on our team and maybe the least athletic starter in the entire Big East. Sorry, but Louisville smelled blood in the water with him tonight. I still have high hopes for the tournament, depending on match ups.

Great game by DJO. And I thought Blue had a nice game, too.

DJO and Blue each had 6 TOs according to ESPN, compared to the 8 Junior had handling the ball more.  This was a team loss.  Junior didn't play well but this isn't on him, it's on everyone.

Least athletic starter in the big east?  Maybe a tad bit of an exageration.  
By the way, Siva had 28 more turnovers than Junior this year for a 1.5 A/TO ratio.  Junior's was 2.1.

[Warrior1]

I agree Junior is a good sometimes great point guard at distributing the ball, and sometimes scoring. I am very happy with him leading the ship

Today, however, he was beyond terrible. One of the worst performances I have seen as a Marquette fan. I would say that he was personally responsible for the loss today. He had 8 turnovers, TERRIBLE shot selection, and did a terrible job of distributing. It was because he was doing so poorly that everyone else struggled, as normally Juniors passes set the rest of the team up for great looks. This forced everyone else out of their comfort zone. If Junior doesn't have his worst game ever, the overall team looks a whole lot better.

That is the point though, Junior isn't terrible, We NEED Junior.

[Dr. Blackheart]

PRN- I won't disagree with you about Cadougan but MU does not have any other options.  Cadougan needs to play within himself for this team to succeed.

Also, DJO and Blue each had 6 TO's to go with Jr's 8.

MU guards and zone not a good combo.  Fix it

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I can accept turnovers if you're contributing in other areas. Blue made a couple plays that were head scratchers, but give me a break, that's going to happen. He at least looks like he belongs on the court. That was a putrid performance by a point guard that is leading a top ten team in the country. We have two potential NBA players, for chissakes! I'm not giving up on the season by any means. But can somebody please explain to me why Junior just plays that bad every four games? It's because he's targeted by teams! He cannot compete with teams with quickness.

[mues05]

PRN,
I would agree that he is the least talented of our starters, but I don't think that is a condemnation of him.  I think two of our starters will be drafted this year, Blue is still projected to be drafted (for what that's worth) and I think Wilson has the length and athleticism to end up in the show.  That doesn't mean Jr's not a BE caliber PG.

[Rubie Q]

Junior turned it over what, 8 times? And his poor boxing out was responsible for...hmm...probably none of the offensive boards? So what about the other 18 turnovers and 26 offensive rebounds? Those numbers alone would have sank us without Junior's poor performance.

Yes, he had a bad game, but this was a team loss. Trying to pin it all on one guy is staggeringly myopic.

Not true, re: the offensive boards. Because Junior couldn't stay within a ZIP code of Siva, the other defenders were left scrambling to help when Siva got into the lane. And that left our rebounders in poor position to grab boards.

The concern with the TOs isn't just that he had 8, but that SEVEN of them came in the first half, when he ran us out of the game with self-inflicted turnovers and poor shot selection. Combined with his awful defense, I think it's fair to say he deserves the lion's share of the blame tonight. And I think he'd tell you the same.

[Buchec18]

Okay, I wasn't able to watch the game. Sounds like I was very fortunate... However this is inexcusible. Sounds like Junior had a very bad game... but to rip him apart and say that he shouldn't be on our team and basically throwing him under the bus is sad. We win as a team and lose as a team.  You cannot blame the whole entire game on Junior, no matter how bad of a game that he had. We lost by 13 and had 26 turnovers. I have yet to check the stat line, but I find it hard to believe that Junior committed 26 out of 26 turnovers. A point guard can only do so much when the team doesn't show up to play. Junior has helped us get this far and to hate on him now? To hate on any player like this thread is is embarrassing.

Those hating so harshly on him should find a new team to root for.

[Boone]

While I've never been particularly impressed by JR's game, he's still better than Niv Berkowitz and always will be.

[dw3dw3dw3]

I've been next to you on that argument all year as well.  Perhaps i should take your approach next time and not attack junior  personally.  The simple and concise fact is that he should NOT be a starting pg in the Big East.  (maybe for DePaul)

It's frustrating to know that 80% of the posters on here, would condemn Vander if he played like JC tonight, however if JC does it in one of the biggest games it's alright?  I recall countless times hearing how Vander is a high prospect so we should expect more out of him, soooo Junior wasn't?  Is everybody going to be sipping the Kool-Aid on how MU is a possible Elite 8-FF team if we lost to WV because of Junior couldn't make 1 of his 2 free throws at the end of the game?  I'm sorry but your pg is suppose to be clutch when it comes to FT and i just assume Buzz take Junior out when the game is on the line with 3 minutes or less to play.  Tonight was another game that our pg directly contributed the most in our loss. (Yes i know about the rebounding numbers as well, this is relating to individual performance)

Extremely disappointing to say the least, and when you add in his (extra circular activities) of being benched for multiple games it makes it that much worse.

The problem is you are making sweeping generalizations based on one game.
He is who he is, your emotional suggestion that he is not a starting Big East Pg is comical though. Your sounding like those WV fans who think all there is to basketball is scoring and rebounding.

I would like you to name 14 better point guards in the Big East. I will get you started. Here are the top 10 league assist leaders.
Assists Per Game
Rank   Player   Team   GP   FG%   3P%   FT%   RPG   APG   PPG   SPG
1   V. Council   Providence   31   .391   .293   .674   4.1   7.5   15.9   1.3
2   J. Theodore   Seton Hall   32   .385   .323   .827   3.1   6.7   16.0   1.8
3   S. Napier   Conn         32   .391   .349   .754   3.7   5.9   12.6   1.7
4   J. Cadougan Marquette   30   .395   .242   .700   2.1   5.5   6.4   1.1
5   P. Siva   Louisville   30   .395   .228   .720   3.0   5.3   8.6   1.8
6   A. Collins   Sflor           27   .497   .300   .849   1.9   5.3   8.3   1.6
7t   S. Jardine   Syracuse   31   .477   .341   .491   2.3   4.9   8.6   1.5
7t   J. Grant   Notre Dame   31   .390   .354   .815   2.9   4.9   12.5   1.2
9   B. Young   DePaul   31   .423   .281   .765   2.6   4.7   14.5   1.6
10   M. Wayns   Villanova   29   .414   .298   .892   3.8   4.6   17.6   1.0

Newsflash, every single one of those guys will make you pull your hair out if you watch them enough. Louisville fans blame Siva for everything that went wrong this season up to tonight. Scoop got benched for the entire second half he was so horrible. Wayns hasn't been able to lead Villanova to even the NIT, with burger boys all around him. 

Bottom line, Junior played horrible tonight, but he is the guy this season (top 10 ranking, 25 wins) and next, gotta get behind him or give up your fan card.

[El Duderino]

Yes, that is embarrassing. Please don't root for MU next week, go find a team from the WAC or something. Don't need your negative chi taking away from the positive chi.

JC, had probably the worse game of his life and lost a lot of confidence a long the way. He has shown the ability to bounce back and have nice games after some stinkers. Just so people understand how important he is to our team:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/roland_avg?season=2011-2012&conf=big-east
#1 Roland Avg in the Big East - Roland Average is the difference in plus/minus between when a player is on the court versus off the court. Granted it is skewed towards teams that win and the players on those teams, but that's the thing... it's skewed toward teams that WIN.

He makes the team go... stats back it up. He has a bad game, so does the rest of the team. It is not a coincidence Jae struggled outside of the fouls tonight.

Good post.

Junior had an epically bad game tonight and he struggles with consistency overall, but people shouldn't go overboard based on his worst game since joining the program. He's a solid college college PG.

One flaw i see in that stat though is that Wilson is Cadougan's backup and Wilson is very challenged offensively at this point in his career. Given that he can't score at all and isn't ready yet to create good shots for others via dribble drives, the offense tends to stagnate noticeably when Wilson is in at PG. Thus, that can inflate Junior's plus/minus numbers.

[bamamarquettefan]

Wow, I guess its been a frustrating year for critics - only having 7 losses to complain about in 32 games, but this strand really is silly.  More than 74 starting BCS guards, and Junior is in the top 17 in the two most important categories for point guards.

Feel free to rip him for a TERRIBLE game today - 7 turnovers in the first half was awful - but to then claim that he shouldn't be starting when there are almost 3/4rds of the BCS starting guards are not as good as Junior is more than silly.   The two key stats - to start with assists to turnovers but expand to all BCS guards, has Junior as the 15 best point guard from 74 teams:

Player   School   Asst   TO   Ratio

Kendall Marshall   North Carolina   281   78   3.6
Sam Grooms   Oklahoma   171   56   3.05
Dave Sobolewski   Northwestern   101   35   2.89
Jerian Grant   Notre Dame   143   50   2.86
Jeremiah Kelly   DePaul   101   36   2.81
Andre Young   Clemson   91   35   2.6
Jordan Taylor   Wisconsin   122   47   2.6
Lewis Jackson   Purdue   122   47   2.6
Phl Pressey   Missouri   179   72   2.49
Justin Cobbs   California   149   60   2.48
Jordan Theodore   Seton Hall   197   81   2.43
Erving Walker   Florida   139   59   2.36
Scoop Jardine   Syracuse   150   65   2.31
Dash Harris   Texas A&M   89   39   2.28
Junior Cadougan   Marquette   155   68   2.28

The other stat is how many of our points is he setting up.  When Junior is on the court, 32% of our baskets scored come from a junior assist, meaning he is the 17th best point guard in any BCS conference at setting his teammates up for points:


Player   Team   ARate
Tim Frazier   Penn St.   45.4
Kendall Marshall   North Carolina   43.2
Jordan Theodore   Seton Hall   39.7
Tray Woodall   Pittsburgh   38.2
Pierre Jackson   Baylor   36.8
Anthony Collins   South Florida   36.7
Scoop Jardine   Syracuse   36.4
Royce White   Iowa St.   35.9
Lorenzo Brown   North Carolina St.   35.1
Bryce Cartwright   Iowa   35.1
Chris Colvin   Arizona St.   34.3
Reggie Moore   Washington St.   33.9
Myck Kabongo   Texas   33.9
Sam Grooms   Oklahoma   33.5
Peyton Siva   Louisville   33.3
Junior Cadougan   Marquette   32.8

Don't worry, you will get one more chance to go hysterical.  The season will end on a loss for 344 of 345 teams including MU, but whenever that happens, it won't be "proof" that you were right and MU can't win big games.  It will mean we lost the last game we played - like all the other teams but one.

[GGGG]

Thanks bama. Good stuff. Junior is a good PG who had a terrible game.

[real chili 83]

The Junior we know will be back.  Last night was tough.  He did force some bad shots, however, what I like about him is that he does not back down.  He'll be back.

[4everwarriors]

Stats don't tell the entire story. Cadougan is a defensive liability, has a loose handle, is slow, has questionable decision making abiltiy, is an erratic passer, and is a poor shooter from anywhere outside of 6 feet. Again, I can't see what Buzz saw in this guy.

[Sharpie]

He had a bad game. End of story. He's had more good than bad in my
Opinion and nobody was attacking junior last time
We played Louisville because he did a tremendous job guarding Siiva. Siva and Louisville had our number and stepped on our throat tonight. It might be just what we need to get some edge back heading into the tourney.

I hate how everytime we lose....it's all this team blows, we will basically get beat by a 14 seed. And everyone sucks and how did this person not get recruited over, why is this person even a d-1 player, and this player has been awful all year long, and buzz sucks.

Calm down people. It's pretty tough to beat a team twice in the same
Year and yes I thought it was an atrocious showing but get off the effing ledge and get a grip. It's pathetic. This team will be ready to play come
Next week. Hopefully we can still hang onto a 3 seed.