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Author Topic: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary  (Read 10250 times)

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Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« on: May 17, 2007, 10:18:24 AM »
Jenna Jameson, who's been called the world's most famous porn star and is the author of the New York Times bestseller "How To Make Love Like a Porn Star," talked about Hillary Clinton in an interview with PR.com....May 17, 2007...

PR.com: "Who's your favorite Democratic front runner for 2008? Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or John Edwards?"

Jenna Jameson: "I love Hillary. I think that in some ways she's pretty conservative for a Democrat, but I would love to have a woman in office. I think that it would be a step in the right direction for our country, and there would be less focus on war and more focus on bettering society."

PR.com: "Do you find that the climate of the adult industry changes when there is a Republican administration versus Democratic?"

Jenna Jameson: "Absolutely. The Clinton administration was the best years for the adult industry and I wish that Clinton would run again. I would love to have him back in office. I would love to have Al Gore in office. When Republicans are in office, the problem is, a lot of times they try to put their crosshairs on the adult industry, to make a point. It's sad, when there are so many different things that are going on in the world: war, and people are dying of genocide...I look forward to another Democrat being in office. It just makes the climate so much better for us, and I know that once all our troops come home, things are going to be better and I think that getting Bush out of office is the most important thing right now."

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 11:35:09 AM »
If I were a Democrat----I'd take a lok at whose company I'm in----Jenna Jameson, Rosie O'Donnell, Osama Bin Laden, the Mullahs in Iran, etc (all want a Democrat in office)!

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 12:47:20 PM »
Bin Laden and Iran very much want the republicans in office.  No one has helped solidify and spread their agenda like the republicans. 

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 12:48:43 PM »
Bin Laden and Iran very much want the republicans in office.  No one has helped solidify and spread their agenda like the republicans. 

That may be the case, but I notice now that they are actually dying for their actions.  When they bombed the WTC, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, two US Embassies, Bali, etc, etc.....they were essentially ignored.

That sure seemed to work out well....   ::)

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 12:49:46 PM »
If I were a Democrat----I'd take a lok at whose company I'm in----Jenna Jameson, Rosie O'Donnell, Osama Bin Laden, the Mullahs in Iran, etc (all want a Democrat in office)!

Bill probably has a chubber right now that doesn't even require his Viagra fix..."Please Hillary, please introduce me to Jenna...just give me 3 minutes with her"

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 01:05:09 PM »
Bin Laden and Iran very much want the republicans in office.  No one has helped solidify and spread their agenda like the republicans. 

That may be the case, but I notice now that they are actually dying for their actions.  When they bombed the WTC, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, two US Embassies, Bali, etc, etc.....they were essentially ignored.

That sure seemed to work out well....   ::)

That's my point, Chicos.  It did work out. They don't want to be ignored.  They want a world platform.  They want more recruits.  And now they're getting both.  Do you think they're reexamining their position when their members are killed?  For Christ Sake, they want to be killed. It's Radical Islam's greatest reward.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2007, 01:08:24 PM by SoCalwarrior »

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 01:32:51 PM »
I think it's time to 'reward' them all!

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 07:18:05 PM »
So CalWarrior----Al Quida declared war on America (9/11) we have no choice but to fight Al Quida----there is no other alternative-----if we don't stay after them----they will come back at us over here sooner or later with WMD.

With the Dems policy of surrender in Iraq Al Quida's and Radical Islam in general ranks would swell as Al Quida will be seen as the wave of the future and given time to regroup and retrain!


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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2007, 08:20:55 PM »
It's hard to debate you Murf, because you state all opinions and what ifs as fact.  But I had to respond to your absolutely asinine comment that Al Qaeda and Iran are in the company of Democrats.  More people volunteer in times of war than in times of peace.  That goes for both sides.  Al Qaeda needs war and conflict to recruit more terrorists.  The bigger the jihad, the better.  If you think the war in Iraq is not what Al Qaeda wants, then you are completely misinformed.  This is their Holy War and they don't want it to be taken away.  Now, I agree that if we do take it away, they will continue to provoke us and the rest of the free world with acts of terrorism.  But, that's not to say we need to stay in Iraq and fight them until the end of time in order to keep them occupied.  Al Qaeda represents 7% of the insurgents in Iraq.  As long as we're there, that number will grow.  We need a new strategy.  We need to be proactive.  And IMHO, being bogged down in Iraq in the middle of a civil war that only furthers Al Qaeda's agenda of Jihad is not the way to do it.


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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2007, 08:11:55 AM »
SoCal-----sorry, but I probably could have phrased that a little better----what I meant to refer to is that the left wing of the Democratic party is on the side of Al Quida in Iraq as they are waving the white flag of surrender there (M Moore, Pelosi, Reed, Feingold, etc)----but the problem is that even Obama and Hillary voted for an immediate exit from Iraq earlier in the week (the Feingold bill). So the left wing of the party is drawing the Dem candidates to their position.

If Al Quida relishes us being in Iraq----it's only because they think they will WIN----and if they do WIN you are correct as their ranks will swell-----but the alternative is also true-----and that is if we WIN there (not only Iraq but Afghanistan as well)----that this would be  a SEVERE blow to Al Quida. In this event Al Quida's prestige would take a big hit and their momentum slowed significantly and would therefore have a more difficult time recruiting and securing funding to carry on their crusade against humanity!

BYW---Al Quida is 7% of the insurgency numerically----but they have successfully leveraged that 7% by inciting and enabling the sectarian violence  (sunni vs shia) that has caused the chaos in Iraq. I think it's safe to say that our task in Iraq would be one whole lot easier had Al Quida not been present there.

By winning in Iraq/Afghaistan, we show the world that the tide is not with radical islam----but with democracy-------instead of helping us to win there----the Dems are inhibiting us winning by CONTINUALLY giving aid and comfort to the enemy by supporting their goal (to defeat us in Iraq)!
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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2007, 09:43:12 AM »
The problem with this debate is that there are some folks who believe the war is still winnable, others see it as a lost cause.

My only question is to those who think we can still "win" (i.e. form a government that can create a modicum of security and prosperity for Iraq) .. how much longer will you try to obtain that outcome?  1 year? 3 years?  10?   Would there be any point where even you would throw up your arms?  Or is this a "as long as it takes, even decades" position?

The majority of the country has given up hope on this subject.  Not only that, but have also concluded that it wasn't and isn't worth the trouble for the dubious security it could bring.

Additionally, the idea that the Democrats are with the terrorists is just BS rhetoric.  Even the Republicans are trying to sway Bush into leaving, as they see a complete train wreck in 2008 unless we start leaving.   If Bush doesn't waver, you just wait.  12 months from now, in the middle of election season, the Republicans will override a funding-cut veto from Bush.  Will you say then that those overriding Repubs are "with the terrorists" then?    Doubtful.

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2007, 12:09:19 PM »
Murf - You think Bush is the man with the right plan and I do not.  I'll agree to just disagree.  But to your point that Al Qaeda only relishes us being in Iraq because they think they can win is where I think you're just wrong. 

As long as Al Qaeda or any other radical Islamic terrorist group is in existence, they will consider every death, the "infidel's" and their own, a victory.  It's a win-win situation for them.  Destroy the infidel or die trying.  When they are alive, they think that they are holy warriors fighting for Allah.  When they are dead, they are martyrs and will be rewarded with 40 virgins.   Until the very last one of them is killed, they will see themselves as victorious. 

This is where our problem lies.  Al Qaeda isn't Germany.  There will be no surrender.  We're not going to win with the threat of a bomb.  We're not going to convince them that they are in the wrong here.  The only way to truly win this war is to annihilate every last one of them.  But history and common sense tells us that is impossible. 

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2007, 12:59:38 PM »
SoCal Warrior-----Rumsfeld made serious mistakes in Iraq----chief among them trying to win the war on the cheap----not enough troops to keep the peace-----allowing looting, moving in and clearing insurgents out but not holding neighborhoods, etc.-----But that has been rectified----more troops (but still not enough IMO to make it certain to prevail) and clearing out neighborhoods and HOLDING them.

Al Quida may think they win even if they lose----and proclaim that, but the people know who really wins and who really loses regardless of the propaganda. Al Quida is but a small minority in the Arab world and as long as they are kept in their box, they will stay a small minority. If they win in Iraq/Afghanistan, they are out of the box multipling like rats.

If it's win/win as you say for Al Quida/radical islam, there is no hope, we might as well give up now-----and all become Muslim! I don't agree with that----they achieve MORE when they win----and when they lose they don't gain as they are kept in their box.

We might not be able to COMPLETELY defeat them with arms (but we can keep them tied up and on the defensive)-----and as GWB says this is going to be a long war and ultimately the Israeli/Palestinian has to be resolved----the energy alternatives have to be devloped (without these two there would be no Al Quida/Radical Islam of any consequence (Isreal is the excuse and from oil comes the funding).
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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2007, 01:08:34 PM »
murf, what's your thoughts on Jenna Jameson's "body of work"?

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2007, 03:09:23 PM »
insert "wide post" joke here.
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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2007, 03:48:32 PM »
The problem with this debate is that there are some folks who believe the war is still winnable, others see it as a lost cause.

My only question is to those who think we can still "win" (i.e. form a government that can create a modicum of security and prosperity for Iraq) .. how much longer will you try to obtain that outcome?  1 year? 3 years?  10?   Would there be any point where even you would throw up your arms?  Or is this a "as long as it takes, even decades" position?

The majority of the country has given up hope on this subject.  Not only that, but have also concluded that it wasn't and isn't worth the trouble for the dubious security it could bring.

Additionally, the idea that the Democrats are with the terrorists is just BS rhetoric.  Even the Republicans are trying to sway Bush into leaving, as they see a complete train wreck in 2008 unless we start leaving.   If Bush doesn't waver, you just wait.  12 months from now, in the middle of election season, the Republicans will override a funding-cut veto from Bush.  Will you say then that those overriding Repubs are "with the terrorists" then?    Doubtful.

Some Republicans are trying to sway Bush into leaving because they have election politics on their minds.

I've asked this question a million times....if we leave, what do you think happens to Iraq and Iran and the vaccuum that is left behind?  Second, will that result in a safer bet for Western nations or a more dangerous one? 

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Re: Jenna Jameson endorses Hillary
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2007, 04:40:44 PM »
[quote author=ChicosBailBonds link=topic=3094.msg24661#msg24661 date=1179521312

I've asked this question a million times....if we leave, what do you think happens to Iraq and Iran and the vaccuum that is left behind?  Second, will that result in a safer bet for Western nations or a more dangerous one? 
[/quote]

Al Qaeda is currently tolerated in Iraq because of our occupation.  If we were to leave, they would be pushed aside so that the Sunnis and Shi'tes could get down to business and wrestle for control of the country.  There is no question that Iran would back the Shi'tes and Saudi Arabia would back the Sunnis.  That civil war will continue with or without us. 

As to your question, will the West be safer or more dangerous, I believe the threat will be the same.   The target on our back didn't get smaller when we invaded Iraq.  And I don't think it's going to get bigger when we leave. 

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2007, 05:04:47 PM »
[quote author=ChicosBailBonds link=topic=3094.msg24661#msg24661 date=1179521312

I've asked this question a million times....if we leave, what do you think happens to Iraq and Iran and the vaccuum that is left behind?  Second, will that result in a safer bet for Western nations or a more dangerous one? 

Al Qaeda is currently tolerated in Iraq because of our occupation.  If we were to leave, they would be pushed aside so that the Sunnis and Shi'tes could get down to business and wrestle for control of the country.  There is no question that Iran would back the Shi'tes and Saudi Arabia would back the Sunnis.  That civil war will continue with or without us. 

As to your question, will the West be safer or more dangerous, I believe the threat will be the same.   The target on our back didn't get smaller when we invaded Iraq.  And I don't think it's going to get bigger when we leave. 
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And if you're wrong, Iraq (with Nukes soon) has control of the straits, control of Iraq and essentially the Middle East entirely.  Not an option in my mind. Israel will be even more threatened then they are today.

We've been at this for 4 years and lost 3400 people....we have been through far worse predicaments as a nation and held strong.  We've lost more military men and women in a single day then we have in 4 years (5...4...3...2...1....here comes the "tell that to their families" comment from some liberal), militarily speaking an unbelievably small toll.  Unfortunately wars mean blood and money and for some reason this seems to surprise people.  Some people want a video game where no one gets hurt, that's not how it works.

I don't see why were are surrending 4 years into what was, is and will always be a long struggle.  That's the price we have to pay.

I though Tony Blair's remarks in the Rose Garden were dead on yesterday.  I wish our President could communicate the struggle so succinctly as Blair did.  Not ONE regret from him and he explained why in a beautiful way.  Should be required listening by everyone.

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2007, 08:05:17 PM »
SoCal----Al Quida are sunnis----if we leave you have Al Quida supporting the suunis in Iraq-----and you have Iran supporting the shia----then you have the Kurds going for their own state, which upsets Turkey who won't tolerate that----under these circumstances you have the "mother of all civil wars developing" with the possibility of that civilwar spreadin in the Mid East with sky high oil prices ($5 gas?)----end result we under the auspices of the United Nations have to come back with a much more difficult situation to bring under control!

BTW---we are the united nations when it comes to military operations!
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2007, 08:39:20 PM »
Saudi Arabia, not Al Qaeda, would support the Sunnis.  Iran would support the Shi'tes. Al Qaeda has no interest in creating a Sunni led country, nor do they have an interest in a Muslim on Muslim war.  They are a radical Islamic organization bent on fighting jihad against the infidels.  You still don't seem to understand who Al Qaeda is or what their objective is.

There is a civil war going on right now as we speak.  Would it get worse if we left?  Maybe.  But, it would also force the Arab league to deal with their own.  I'm all for the war on terror, but Iraq is not about Al Qaeda.  Al Qaeda is a by product of our invasion.  Iraq is now about us refereeing a battle between the shi'tes and sunnis in order to protect a region we only care about because of its primary export.

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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2007, 08:07:47 AM »
SoCal----I beg to differ-----AlQuida would indeed be supporting the sunnis, but supporting the most radical element of the sunni  tribe against the Shia with the goal of taking over a large portion of Iraq to use as a headquarter/training ground----mean while the Shia would be aided by the Iranians (potential region wide civil war).

You say Al Quida isn't in the business of pitting moslem against moslem----well how does that square with Al Quida attempts to kill Saudi citizens in terrorist attacks inside SA and many other countries? How does that square with Al Quida blowing up that Shia Mosque in Sumarra which set off the sectarian violence? How does that square with the suicide bombings in Iraq (sponsored by Al Quida) market places (Shia areas)?----so please don't say that Al Quida doesn't want to pit muslim vs Muslim.

Sure it's type of civil war----but ask yourself who set this off----it was Zarqawi the then leader of Iraq who desecrated the Shia mosque in Summara by blowing it up!

Al Quida in IRAQ is a byproduct of the invasion alright----but the reality is that they are there now----and we have to deal with that and WE have to win or they get out of the box and we have much bigger problems down the road----meanwhile the Dems want to enable Al Quida and surrender by pulling out----go figure.

BTW----I'm fully aware of what Al Quida is and what their mission is----their ultimate goal is to force the world to convert to Islam ---or die----it's as simple as that!----they are more fanatical than even the Japanese in World War II .
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2007, 10:02:24 AM »
we have no worries as the terrorists are only attacking army forts in the US and they get their videos done at circuit city.

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