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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1450 on: January 01, 2019, 02:08:25 PM »
Okay sorry so what was wrong with what Lazar's Headband wrote? Genuinely do not know the nuances with the new NET rating.

So even though margin of victory is capped you still get credit for efficiency for points scored or scored against you beyond a margin of victory. So the "loss isn't capped at 10" because you are still gaining and losing credit for points scored beyond 10 points. The correct thing to say would have been "margin of victory is capped at 10."

Of course, I think most people knew what LH was referring to.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1451 on: January 01, 2019, 02:32:13 PM »
So even though margin of victory is capped you still get credit for efficiency for points scored or scored against you beyond a margin of victory. So the "loss isn't capped at 10" because you are still gaining and losing credit for points scored beyond 10 points. The correct thing to say would have been "margin of victory is capped at 10."

Of course, I think most people knew what LH was referring to.

I should have been more thorough.  The NET is a blended approach, like TAMU explained.  Margin of victory is capped in what I will call the results section (not an official name) and uncapped when looking at overall team efficiency.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1452 on: January 01, 2019, 02:32:33 PM »
Okay sorry so what was wrong with what Lazar's Headband wrote? Genuinely do not know the nuances with the new NET rating.

It basically counts margin of victory twice. Once in the efficiency (so your offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency, which would give potentially more than 10) and a second time for margin up to 10. It's effectively a bonus increase in your NET.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1453 on: January 01, 2019, 03:24:44 PM »
Okay so efficiency #'s that go into the NET calc are relatively in line with KenPom ranking/methodology and unaffected by a cap, but there is a 10 point cap for a separate win margin metric that is factored in to the overall NET

Is that more or less correct to say?

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1454 on: January 01, 2019, 03:26:23 PM »
Okay so efficiency #'s that go into the NET calc are relatively in line with KenPom ranking/methodology and unaffected by a cap, but there is a 10 point cap for a separate win margin metric that is factored in to the overall NET

Is that more or less correct to say?

Yes.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1455 on: January 01, 2019, 03:34:27 PM »
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1456 on: January 01, 2019, 04:15:25 PM »
So you're admitting that you're wrong?  Because I said Assembly Hall is a top 3 difficult place to play in in America.  Which has nothing to do with how many points Las Vegas gives to a team playing in their home arena.  You came up with Hawaii, Denver, and LSU.  I come up with Kansas, Duke, and Indiana.  One is very LOL-ish.  I'll let you decide which it is.

But yes.  Now we're going even more scientific and we're saying Las Vegas odds are the way to determine how good a team is.  This is great stuff Lenny.

No, quite the contrary. You are one of those guys who makes off the cuff statements that seem at least somewhat logical on their face but don't stand up to any statistical analysis or scrutiny. And when you're shown the evidence that the earth isn't flat you "lol"- either because the evidence is over your head or because you're stubborn. Either way, I won't take up any more of my (or Scoop's) time trying to explain what you can't or won't understand.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1457 on: January 01, 2019, 04:19:40 PM »
No, quite the contrary. You are one of those guys who makes off the cuff statements that seem at least somewhat logical on their face but don't stand up to any statistical analysis or scrutiny. And when you're shown the evidence that the earth isn't flat you "lol"- either because the evidence is over your head or because you're stubborn. Either way, I won't take up any more of my (or Scoop's) time trying to explain what you can't or won't understand.

No. I understand. The statement was never “Assembly Hall is one of the 3 highest point swings by Vegas lines.” Now that would be another LOL! It was always about one of the 3 toughest places to go into and win. But your science wanted to discuss Vegas point spreads and not wins and losses. So again, you came up with Hawaii, Denver, and LSU. LOL!

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1458 on: January 01, 2019, 04:47:00 PM »
Jeesh, wades, you sure do laugh out loud a lot.

Those around you must need earplugs.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1459 on: January 01, 2019, 05:05:07 PM »
Jeesh, wades, you sure do laugh out loud a lot.

Those around you must need earplugs.

Just when Lenny’s is around. Hard to hold in the laughter.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1460 on: January 01, 2019, 08:11:35 PM »
will 16 be the high water mark this year?

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1461 on: January 01, 2019, 08:15:59 PM »
Probably. The BEast is a dogfight. Tough to gain spots.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1462 on: January 01, 2019, 08:17:04 PM »
will 16 be the high water mark this year?

Could be. Personally I think we look like a 20-30ish ranked team.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1463 on: January 01, 2019, 08:17:34 PM »
will 16 be the high water mark this year?

No.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1464 on: January 01, 2019, 08:22:00 PM »
See what happens Sunday. 
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1465 on: January 01, 2019, 08:22:13 PM »
16 is no doubt the highest we will go but thats better than anything i expected this year which was a just outside the top 25 team.   

Right now we just gotta hope we make the tourney

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1466 on: January 01, 2019, 08:25:58 PM »
16 is no doubt the highest we will go but thats better than anything i expected this year which was a just outside the top 25 team.   

Right now we just gotta hope we make the tourney

"Right now" we'd be a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1467 on: January 01, 2019, 08:30:52 PM »
Right now we just gotta hope we make the tourney

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1468 on: January 02, 2019, 02:56:45 PM »
MU fell from 14 to 22 in the NET rankings after last nights loss to the Johnnies. The Johnnies moved up from 36 to 24. 

Xavier is 70th so hopefully a win over them does good things for MU and keeps the team in the top 25.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1469 on: January 02, 2019, 03:00:33 PM »
No.

Agreed, could see us rip off a 7 game win streak here, and if so we'd be top 10 by attrition alone in all likelihood

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1470 on: January 02, 2019, 05:48:40 PM »
Agreed, could see us rip off a 7 game win streak here, and if so we'd be top 10 by attrition alone in all likelihood

Could be. I think we will be multi possession favorites in every one of the next seven games except maybe at Creighton and Hall at home and I think we are favored in both of those. All that being said, I still think 6-1 is more likely than 7-0.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1471 on: January 02, 2019, 08:02:21 PM »
16 is no doubt the highest we will go but thats better than anything i expected this year which was a just outside the top 25 team.   

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1472 on: January 02, 2019, 08:10:56 PM »
Could be. I think we will be multi possession favorites in every one of the next seven games except maybe at Creighton and Hall at home and I think we are favored in both of those. All that being said, I still think 6-1 is more likely than 7-0.

Kenpom has us as a 4 point dog to Creighton currently. Doubt we are favored there.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1473 on: January 03, 2019, 10:29:43 AM »
Just to confirm that Gary Parrish never makes sense ...
After thumping Buffalo, he moved MU out of the top 25.
After getting thumped by St. John's, he moved MU up to 23rd.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-nc-state-no-13-in-the-top-25-and-1-looks-for-first-road-win-at-miami/

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 12/31/18
« Reply #1474 on: January 03, 2019, 10:52:21 AM »
Just to confirm that Gary Parrish never makes sense ...
After thumping Buffalo, he moved MU out of the top 25.
After getting thumped by St. John's, he moved MU up to 23rd.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-nc-state-no-13-in-the-top-25-and-1-looks-for-first-road-win-at-miami/

As he had us underrated, it just gets us closer to being accurate.