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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #325 on: October 12, 2016, 12:06:33 PM »
Were we the Warriors or the Golden Eagles in the 94 sweet 16?
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #326 on: October 12, 2016, 12:20:38 PM »
Were we the Warriors or the Golden Eagles in the 94 sweet 16?
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #327 on: October 12, 2016, 12:44:02 PM »
"F" the people who changed the name. WARRIORS, WARRIORS, WARRIORS, WARRIORS.
Will never change. Still Wear my "Warrior" T-shirt.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #328 on: October 12, 2016, 12:48:58 PM »

As I have said many times, had Marquette dumped the Native imagery all together when they dumped Willie Wampum, we'd still be Warriors today.  It was the 20 years of trying to "respectfully" use Native imagery that killed it.  Those efforts seem very naive in retrospect.

I think its a bit of a chicken and egg type thing. I think the above is true. But I also think that if Willie Wampum had never existed and we had always used respectful imagery, we might have been able to keep Warriors as well. It was the combination of both that killed us.
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #329 on: October 12, 2016, 12:57:06 PM »
I think its a bit of a chicken and egg type thing. I think the above is true. But I also think that if Willie Wampum had never existed and we had always used respectful imagery, we might have been able to keep Warriors as well. It was the combination of both that killed us.
Doubt that.  MU would have been swept into the overall negativism re Native American imagery.  Sultan is spot on here.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #330 on: October 12, 2016, 01:00:55 PM »
Forever Warriors, that is all, ai na?
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #331 on: October 12, 2016, 01:09:54 PM »
Has nothing to do with the NCAA.  Has to do with the Native Indian nations and the Jesuits.  As long as the mascot and logo had nothing to do with Native American Indians, the NCAA could give a wit as the Warrior name is not "offensive" by itself.  But, alas, that will not happen.  Forever Warriors!

That's baloney.

We could change the imagery all we wanted but when your university is named after Father Jacques Marquette and his guide is a Native American, you'll never escape the presumption that the imagery is Native American. The NCAA strongly objects, for some strange reason, to Native American imagery without some kind of tribal blessing -- a blessing usually accompanied by a large contribution to tribal welfare.

Without the Native American imagery, we lose our tie to Wisconsin and the Upper Midwest. Period. At that point, there's no difference between Warriors, Golden Eagles, Lightening or, as I wanted, Inquisition or Flames!

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #332 on: October 12, 2016, 01:17:18 PM »
That's baloney.

We could change the imagery all we wanted but when your university is named after Father Jacques Marquette and his guide is a Native American, you'll never escape the presumption that the imagery is Native American. The NCAA strongly objects, for some strange reason, to Native American imagery without some kind of tribal blessing -- a blessing usually accompanied by a large contribution to tribal welfare.

Without the Native American imagery, we lose our tie to Wisconsin and the Upper Midwest. Period. At that point, there's no difference between Warriors, Golden Eagles, Lightening or, as I wanted, Inquisition or Flames!


If, in 1971, Marquette replaced its imagery to something like this:



(A college from Wisconsin...right down the road from Marquette.)

or this:



(Another college from the upper midwest.)

Everything would have been fine.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #333 on: October 12, 2016, 01:23:08 PM »
Or this...



« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 01:24:53 PM by MerrittsMustache »

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #334 on: October 12, 2016, 01:31:46 PM »
Not the same article, but a Hofmann piece with his thoughts - attached.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #335 on: October 12, 2016, 01:39:03 PM »

If, in 1971, Marquette replaced its imagery to something like this:



(A college from Wisconsin...right down the road from Marquette.)

or this:



(Another college from the upper midwest.)

Everything would have been fine.

Wrongo, my friend!

You are missing the point. The reason for the Warrior name for us was the Native American support to Father Marquette. Take the Native American out of the equation and you have a name and symbolism that, as I said, had no tie to the historical roots of Marquette University.

That's why I recommended Inquisition or Flames. Both have distant ties to the founders of the university!!!!!!!!!!

Please understand, I'll always be a Warrior. But it aint going to happen and the NCAA was not going to let us keep Warriors unless we denied our heritage.


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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #336 on: October 12, 2016, 01:41:13 PM »
You are missing the point. The reason for the Warrior name for us was the Native American support to Father Marquette. Take the Native American out of the equation and you have a name and symbolism that, as I said, had no tie to the historical roots of Marquette University.


You mean to reference the relocation of the Boston Braves to Milwaukee if you are searching for the historical roots...

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« Reply #337 on: October 12, 2016, 01:46:24 PM »
Wrongo, my friend!

You are missing the point. The reason for the Warrior name for us was the Native American support to Father Marquette. Take the Native American out of the equation and you have a name and symbolism that, as I said, had no tie to the historical roots of Marquette University.

The nickname may have started as a nod to that, but that doesn't mean it had to remain that way.  Nicknames rarely have such a connection to their school.  You give MU a different imagery, and they go on to win the national championship with that imagery in 1977, no one would care about the lack of connection with the historic roots of the school.

Case in point:  UW-Madison.  Wisconsin was named the Badger State because of a nickname given to the early lead miners in the southwest part of the state.  It doesn't use that imagery.  It barely uses the animal badger any longer.


That's why I recommended Inquisition or Flames. Both have distant ties to the founders of the university!!!!!!!!!!

Yes.  I am sure naming the school after the Inquisition would have gone over well.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #338 on: October 12, 2016, 01:47:31 PM »
Doesn't it really have to do with accepting an alleged payoff from the Potawatomi?  Has anyone really seen proof that this transaction took place?

Someone should go down to the Register of Deeds and run a title search on the land.
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #339 on: October 12, 2016, 02:10:30 PM »
Wrongo, my friend!

You are missing the point. The reason for the Warrior name for us was the Native American support to Father Marquette. Take the Native American out of the equation and you have a name and symbolism that, as I said, had no tie to the historical roots of Marquette University.

That's why I recommended Inquisition or Flames. Both have distant ties to the founders of the university!!!!!!!!!!

Please understand, I'll always be a Warrior. But it aint going to happen and the NCAA was not going to let us keep Warriors unless we denied our heritage.

What ties does Marquette have to a golden eagle/chicken thing?
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #340 on: October 12, 2016, 02:35:33 PM »
Doubt that.  MU would have been swept into the overall negativism re Native American imagery.  Sultan is spot on here.

But that didn't start until 9 years later. If mu had already changed to a non native imagery by 1994 than I don't think anyone would have remembered in 2003. Hell we probably would have been praised
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #341 on: October 12, 2016, 04:03:37 PM »
But that didn't start until 9 years later. If mu had already changed to a non native imagery by 1994 than I don't think anyone would have remembered in 2003. Hell we probably would have been praised
Ok.  By "respectful imagery", I thought you meant respectful Native Indian imagery as opposed to non-native imagery.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #342 on: October 12, 2016, 04:39:46 PM »
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #343 on: October 12, 2016, 04:46:45 PM »


I am a Warrior and I'm not dead yet. I'm sure PITA thinks that GIF is more offensive than a Warrior mascot of native american imagery.
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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #344 on: October 12, 2016, 04:52:08 PM »


"If you don't like it, don't read it.  There are countless other posts on the Interwebs that might not offend your sensibilities as much."

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #345 on: October 12, 2016, 04:54:55 PM »
Sultan 1, Chick 0

Time for popcorn!

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« Reply #346 on: October 12, 2016, 04:55:55 PM »
I am a Warrior and I'm not dead yet. I'm sure PITA thinks that GIF is more offensive than a Warrior mascot of native american imagery.

Friend, it's PETA

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #347 on: October 12, 2016, 04:59:25 PM »
Sultan 1, Chick 0

Time for popcorn!


Oh no no no.  I have nothing against the chickster.  Just trying to be funny.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #348 on: October 12, 2016, 05:07:00 PM »
Friend, it's PETA

People Eating Tasty Animals

Most of this board thinks I'm a PITA.

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Re: 23 years ago today...
« Reply #349 on: October 12, 2016, 05:09:19 PM »

Oh no no no.  I have nothing against the chickster.  Just trying to be funny.

And it was.
Have some patience, FFS.