[Rosiak's Blog] Getting caught up

[hdog1017]

I never once saw Crean come pick them (doesn't mean it didn't happen a couple times though). In fact, a tipsy Olouma Nnamaka slept on our couch one night (we had mutual friends). There's no way that dude was comfortable on a 6-foot college apt couch.

I'm sure his sleep pattern was very consistent.  The man sweats consistency. 

[NersEllenson]

You contradicted yourself. He either locked $hit down or he didn't.

There have always been incidents for the MU program (especially drink-induced boorish behavior). There hasn't always been the fallout of being publicly admonished by the DA's office, seeing 1/4 of your team (as opposed to one problem child) involved in the $hit, and forcing your AD and EVP to resign because of the lack of control.

Give it a rest for once - Go be an IU fan so you can keep up with your god.  All you do is dog everything associated with Buzz and the MU program under him. 

1 girl caused MU a ton of bad publicity...period.  A girl who began an evening of consensual sex with a guy she'd had a previous sexual relationship with.  WTF do you want Buzz to do about that?  Think Buzz forced Cottingham and the EVP out??  No.  Simply idiotic administration at MU who fail PR 101 with a big fat F.  You stand up for your AD, coach, and even player - when the MPD failed to find any evidence to charge a player with any type of sexual assault.  Take responsibility for the flawed policy (which was the same under your boy Crean), but reiterate the FACTS:

1) DPS didn't have reasonable cause to think an assault occurred.
2) DPS gave girl the option to take matter up with police if she felt their conclusion wasn't satisfactory.
3) Girl chose not to go to police for a long time.
4) Girl realizes player is never going to date her again, is bitter, and decides to wage war against player and university.
5) Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[MerrittsMustache]

Give it a rest for once - Go be an IU fan so you can keep up with your god.  All you do is dog everything associated with Buzz and the MU program under him. 

1 girl caused MU a ton of bad publicity...period.  A girl who began an evening of consensual sex with a guy she'd had a previous sexual relationship with.  WTF do you want Buzz to do about that?  Think Buzz forced Cottingham and the EVP out??  No.  Simply idiotic administration at MU who fail PR 101 with a big fat F.  You stand up for your AD, coach, and even player - when the MPD failed to find any evidence to charge a player with any type of sexual assault.  Take responsibility for the flawed policy (which was the same under your boy Crean), but reiterate the FACTS:

1) DPS didn't have reasonable cause to think an assault occurred.
2) DPS gave girl the option to take matter up with police if she felt their conclusion wasn't satisfactory.
3) Girl chose not to go to police for a long time.
4) Girl realizes player is never going to date her again, is bitter, and decides to wage war against player and university.
5) Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

I don't think that #4 is necessarily a fact.

[GGGG]

I don't think that #4 is necessarily a fact.

Ners has been told this dozens of times, but he sticks by by it like was.  Assert it's a fact often enough and it apparently becomes one in his eyes.

[Hards Alumni]

Ners has been told this dozens of times, but he sticks by by it like was.  Assert it's a fact often enough and it apparently becomes one in his eyes.

Hey I know plenty of people who act this way.

I won't say anymore.

[Golden Avalanche]

The initial conversation was that Buzz has failed to "lock down" player behavior. I was simply making the case that player discipline was problem with Crean, as well. He was better at "locking down" the public facade of the program, but not the actual behavior of the players.

Fair point on that parsing.

You wrote that Crean did a good job of keeping things from blowing up. To me, that's locking $hit down.

The reason why I look at it as locking $hit down is because every single college has these issues (some more serious then others) but it's just a smaller percentage of them who do a great job of keeping it quiet. Even smaller percentage when not in a college town that thrives and enlives with the State U.

[Litehouse]

I don't think that #4 is necessarily a fact.

My understanding was that #3 wasn't necessarily true either for the incident Ners described.  I thought the girl from the Feb. incident went to the police relatively soon, like the next day.  It was the girl from the Oct. incident that waited several months before going to the police.

[avid1010]

I'll vouch for #5 being a fact...

[NersEllenson]

My understanding was that #3 wasn't necessarily true either for the incident Ners described.  I thought the girl from the Feb. incident went to the police relatively soon, like the next day.  It was the girl from the Oct. incident that waited several months before going to the police.

I'm about 98% sure the girl in the "major" incident did not go to police within 24 hours.  If she did, and they didn't think there was enough evidence to think a rape occurred, it further demonstrates her claims were bogus - if within 24 hours after being raped there was no evidence of a rape.  But then again - I guess when you acknowledge that the "rape" in question began consensually - probably hard to determine what bodily evidence might indicate rape versus consensual sex.  My guess is there was no bruising on her body that would indicate she was forced against her will, etc...

Regardless...it is a dead horse...much like Golden Avalanche's continued jabs/barbs at Buzz.

[Hards Alumni]

I'm about 98% sure the girl in the "major" incident did not go to police within 24 hours.  If she did, and they didn't think there was enough evidence to think a rape occurred, it further demonstrates her claims were bogus - if within 24 hours after being raped there was no evidence of a rape.  But then again - I guess when you acknowledge that the "rape" in question began consensually - probably hard to determine what bodily evidence might indicate rape versus consensual sex.  My guess is there was no bruising on her body that would indicate she was forced against her will, etc...

Regardless...it is a dead horse...much like Golden Avalanche's continued jabs/barbs at Buzz.

I'm just glad you don't make your money practicing law.

For your sake and your clients.

[NersEllenson]

Ners has been told this dozens of times, but he sticks by by it like was.  Assert it's a fact often enough and it apparently becomes one in his eyes.

Well Sultan....the reality is I can put 2+2 together and get 4 - not 22.  I believe they call it inference, intuition, connecting the dots, etc.  Then again, so long in your eyes as it isn't me speculating, and someone else - they are perfectly right, within reason for doing so....but not in my case due to your personal bias toward me.  Do we need to revisit the Crean and Buzz at D-Wade thread for a refresher course on a case in point example of the above?  Please.  Give it up, you make yourself look foolish.

[NersEllenson]

I'm just glad you don't make your money practicing law.

For your sake and your clients.

Ladies and gentleman, here for one night, and one night only....Hards Alumni!!  Could you let me know when your next stand up comedy gig is?  I'm sure it will sell out fast.

Par for the course Hards.  If you can't attack the argument, attack the person.

And since we're on the topic of juvenile humor/insults:  I'm just glad I have an extensive basketball background, and not wrestling background - particularly when commenting on a basketball message board. 

[MUMac]

My understanding was that #3 wasn't necessarily true either for the incident Ners described.  I thought the girl from the Feb. incident went to the police relatively soon, like the next day.  It was the girl from the Oct. incident that waited several months before going to the police.

Nope.  She went to MU DPS, not the police.  Don't you recall all the hub bub about how MU mishandled all of that by not involving the police? 

[GGGG]

Well Sultan....the reality is I can put 2+2 together and get 4 - not 22.  I believe they call it inference, intuition, connecting the dots, etc.  Then again, so long in your eyes as it isn't me speculating, and someone else - they are perfectly right, within reason for doing so....but not in my case due to your personal bias toward me.  Do we need to revisit the Crean and Buzz at D-Wade thread for a refresher course on a case in point example of the above?  Please.  Give it up, you make yourself look foolish.

Before *I* look foolish?  *You* called #4 a "FACT" (complete with capitalization).  And now you are backtracking with all your "inference" talk.  Inferences are NOT facts.  They *may* be true, but neither you nor I are in a position to know as such.

So stop passing something off as a "FACT" that you have no idea if it is true or not.

You are unbelievable....making Chicos look rational.

[Lighthouse 84]

Ladies and gentleman, here for one night, and one night only....Hards Alumni!!  Could you let me know when your next stand up comedy gig is?  I'm sure it will sell out fast.

Par for the course Hards.  If you can't attack the argument, attack the person.

And since we're on the topic of juvenile humor/insults:  I'm just glad I have an extensive basketball background, and not wrestling background - particularly when commenting on a basketball message board.  

I didn't think Hards was being funny or even trying to be funny.  As a lawyer, I happen to agree with him, as well as with Sultan. Oh, for the logic of Chicos....

[Hards Alumni]

Ladies and gentleman, here for one night, and one night only....Hards Alumni!!  Could you let me know when your next stand up comedy gig is?  I'm sure it will sell out fast.

Par for the course Hards.  If you can't attack the argument, attack the person.

And since we're on the topic of juvenile humor/insults:  I'm just glad I have an extensive basketball background, and not wrestling background - particularly when commenting on a basketball message board. 

It wasn't a joke.

You don't understand anything about law, yet you make assumptions based on your non-knowledge of a situation just to defend MU basketball.

You call Sultan a fool?

That is truly the joke.

[Litehouse]

Nope.  She went to MU DPS, not the police.  Don't you recall all the hub bub about how MU mishandled all of that by not involving the police? 

I went back and looked it up again, and I had it slightly mixed up.  She had a medical exam at the hospital right away, but didn't go to police until a month later, after the Oct. story broke.

[NersEllenson]

I didn't think Hards was being funny or even trying to be funny.  As a lawyer, I happen to agree with him, as well as with Sultan. Oh, for the logic of Chicos....

Okay 84 - then go ahead and attack my argument and its inference.  Do attorney's not lay out plausible scenarios, connect the dots, day in and day out?  So you have a case with 4 known facts, do you not ever take those 4 facts and draw a potential conclusion from them..that there might not be a specific piece of evidence to corroborate...but to anyone with a shred of common sense - the conclusion you reach is self evident??

Pretty sure this type of thing goes on day in and day out in your line of work - or are you more of an estate planning type of attorney?

[rocky_warrior]

The way this thread is going someone might get banned in a little bit...

Or, we could return to rational conversation?

[brewcity77]

The way this thread is going someone might get banned in a little bit...

Or, we could return to rational conversation?

[77ncaachamps]

Crean benefited from not having to look after the Trend Blackledges, Terry Sanders, Mike Kinsellas, Jamil Lotts, and Ryan Amorosos of the world.

But he lucked out: He left and didn't stay for Trevor.

[NersEllenson]

It wasn't a joke.

You don't understand anything about law, yet you make assumptions based on your non-knowledge of a situation just to defend MU basketball.

You call Sultan a fool?

That is truly the joke.

What I find comical is that you try to tear apart my case I've laid out, yet do nothing to rebut the content of the case I made?  Please regal me with your legal expertise.  Let's just hope it isn't of the variety of saying I call Sultan a fool - when what I said was his post content makes him LOOK foolish.  Pretty big difference there Johnny Cochran - calling someone a fool, versus saying something makes someone look foolish.  I'm shocked someone with your caliber of logical reasoning would make such an invalid argument/point.

[Lighthouse 84]

Okay 84 - then go ahead and attack my argument and its inference.  Do attorney's not lay out plausible scenarios, connect the dots, day in and day out?  So you have a case with 4 known facts, do you not ever take those 4 facts and draw a potential conclusion from them..that there might not be a specific piece of evidence to corroborate...but to anyone with a shred of common sense - the conclusion you reach is self evident??

Pretty sure this type of thing goes on day in and day out in your line of work - or are you more of an estate planning type of attorney?

Ners, if all we have is speculation, which is slanted due to a bias we may have, "facts" aren't suddenly created.

Sooooo...what are the odds of Buzz throwing a curve ball on Saturday?  Anyone know how fast he can bring it?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Ners, if all we have is speculation, which is slanted due to a bias we may have, "facts" aren't suddenly created.

Disagree.

I love MU and Buzz Williams (fact). Therefore, I know that the incident was not the player's fault (fact).

Boom. Facts. Easy.

[Hards Alumni]

What I find comical is that you try to tear apart my case I've laid out, yet do nothing to rebut the content of the case I made?  Please regal me with your legal expertise.  Let's just hope it isn't of the variety of saying I call Sultan a fool - when what I said was his post content makes him LOOK foolish.  Pretty big difference there Johnny Cochran - calling someone a fool, versus saying something makes someone look foolish.  I'm shocked someone with your caliber of logical reasoning would make such an invalid argument/point.

Look kid, you don't get it and that is fine.  You didn't make a case, you laid out a ton of assumptions and pushed them all as facts.  The truth is you don't know more than most of the general public about what happened.  I know how huffy you get when anyone questions what you say so I'm just going to drop the conversation.  I did go to law school for a little while... while you were probably watching Law and Order.  So now you've got a real lawyer, and a kid who attended more law school than you did calling you ignorant of the law.

Probably time to just let the whole thing go, don't you think?