[Rosiak's Blog] Getting caught up

[ToddRosiakSays]

Getting caught up
               



It's been a quiet summer for the most part for the Marquette Golden Eagles

               

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/128342073.html
               

[Skatastrophy]

I'm getting a little sick of hearing Buzz is a tough coach.  If he was tough then why were there so many blips on the radar this past summer?

[tower912]

Because young adults do stupid stuff sometimes, even if they come from a two parent home and have a coach who is strict.     It is the nature of young adults/late teens.

[wojosdojo]

I'm going to have to watch the B10 network? Yikes..

[Skatastrophy]

Because young adults do stupid stuff sometimes, even if they come from a two parent home and have a coach who is strict.     It is the nature of young adults/late teens.

I've got no problem with that.  Crean just locked crap down and Buzz doesn't.  I think Buzz is a tougher bball coach, Crean had reins on their social lives as well whereas Buzz lets it go.

I honestly think it'll get better if Crowder asserts himself this year.  I'd contend that DJO is the problem. 

[77ncaachamps]

I've got no problem with that.  Crean just locked crap down and Buzz doesn't.  I think Buzz is a tougher bball coach, Crean had reins on their social lives as well whereas Buzz lets it go.

I honestly think it'll get better if Crowder asserts himself this year.  I'd contend that DJO is the problem. 

WWCD in the Vander situation?

"Locking crap down" is hardly an explanation for what Buzz doesn't do.

The kid has an altercation with another kid...near a college campus.
How often does that happen each college day? I'd say 2-3 times...an hour.

[TallTitan34]

Crean locked crap down?  None of his players had incidents?

[g0lden3agle]

I've got no problem with that.  Crean just locked crap down and Buzz doesn't.  I think Buzz is a tougher bball coach, Crean had reins on their social lives as well whereas Buzz lets it go.

I honestly think it'll get better if Crowder asserts himself this year.  I'd contend that DJO is the problem. 

What situation exactly is DJO the problem?

[Jam Chowder]

Crean locked crap down?  None of his players had incidents?

Exactly. DJ got in several on-campus altercations while I was a student. Novak used to stumble around Jimmy John's drunk and obnoxious. Crean was no better at locking anything down. I will say, however, that he was DEFINITELY better at controlling the PR surrounding the program and keeping things from blowing up.

[77ncaachamps]

Exactly. DJ got in several on-campus altercations while I was a student. Novak used to stumble around Jimmy John's drunk and obnoxious. Crean was no better at locking anything down. I will say, however, that he was DEFINITELY better at controlling the PR surrounding the program and keeping things from blowing up.

AND he had a more experienced AD who got his back.

[brewcity77]

Disappointed to see O'Neill pull the plug on the scrimmage. Hopefully Buzz will find someone else with an open slot that's willing, whether we do it here or there.

[Skatastrophy]

Exactly. DJ got in several on-campus altercations while I was a student. Novak used to stumble around Jimmy John's drunk and obnoxious. Crean was no better at locking anything down. I will say, however, that he was DEFINITELY better at controlling the PR surrounding the program and keeping things from blowing up.

+1, controlling the situations that do arise is "locking crap down."

[lurch91]

I'm going to have to watch the B10 network? Yikes..

I just hope the Big Ten Eleven Twelve Twenlven network is carried in my current HD package.

[Golden Avalanche]

Exactly. DJ got in several on-campus altercations while I was a student. Novak used to stumble around Jimmy John's drunk and obnoxious. Crean was no better at locking anything down. I will say, however, that he was DEFINITELY better at controlling the PR surrounding the program and keeping things from blowing up.

You contradicted yourself. He either locked $hit down or he didn't.

There have always been incidents for the MU program (especially drink-induced boorish behavior). There hasn't always been the fallout of being publicly admonished by the DA's office, seeing 1/4 of your team (as opposed to one problem child) involved in the $hit, and forcing your AD and EVP to resign because of the lack of control.

[mu03eng]

Listen, there was all sorts of behavior that went on under Crean that is not dissimilar to what has gone on under Buzz.  The only difference is Crean hid everything and schmoozed all the media outlets to keep it on the DL.

Should these incidents have happened with Buzz, no, but I think he will redouble his efforts to control their behavior off the court.  Additionally, this looks worse than it is because of the way it was handled.  However, IMHO, Buzz controls the team at least as well as Crean if not better.

[Jam Chowder]

You contradicted yourself. He either locked $hit down or he didn't.

The initial conversation was that Buzz has failed to "lock down" player behavior. I was simply making the case that player discipline was problem with Crean, as well. He was better at "locking down" the public facade of the program, but not the actual behavior of the players.

[Skatastrophy]

The initial conversation was that Buzz has failed to "lock down" player behavior. I was simply making the case that player discipline was problem with Crean, as well. He was better at "locking down" the public facade of the program, but not the actual behavior of the players.

Mistakes are going to happen.  You can't watch kids 24/7.

That being said, Crean had much stricter team rules about what the players were allowed to do when they were on campus.  There's a reason that DWade did his partying at UWM instead of on MU's campus.  There's also a reason that Blue feels it's okay to try to get into campus bars when everyone knows he's underage.  Crean would have put the kibosh on that sort of stuff.

[MerrittsMustache]

Mistakes are going to happen.  You can't watch kids 24/7.

That being said, Crean had much stricter team rules about what the players were allowed to do when they were on campus.  There's a reason that DWade did his partying at UWM instead of on MU's campus.  There's also a reason that Blue feels it's okay to try to get into campus bars when everyone knows he's underage.  Crean would have put the kibosh on that sort of stuff.

When I was a student, I saw plenty of Crean's players in bars (including Wade) or at parties or drunk on campus when they were underclassmen.

[Skatastrophy]

When I was a student, I saw plenty of Crean's players in bars (including Wade) or at parties or drunk on campus when they were underclassmen.

And how many times did Crean show up to pick them up, drive them back to Humphrey Hall and read them the riot act?  Every time, from my experience (we must have been students around the same time).

[LON]

When I was a student, I saw plenty of Crean's players in bars (including Wade) or at parties or drunk on campus when they were underclassmen.

Agreed.

And I don't recall Wade ever drinking all that much - at least he always turned us down when we offered to buy him a shot.  Diener was the boozehound - on campus or Water St.

[BrewCity83]

There's a reason that DWade did his partying at UWM instead of on MU's campus. 

Because there are way more hot chicks there?

[79Warrior]

Disappointed to see O'Neill pull the plug on the scrimmage. Hopefully Buzz will find someone else with an open slot that's willing, whether we do it here or there.

Agreed. I wonder why he changed his mind. The Trojans have suffered a few injuries, that could be part of it.

I can't believe all this discussion about the players behavior. They are kids in college. Most of us have done things in college that, upon reflection, were dumb. It has nothing do with coaches "controling" their players personal lives. college kids get drunk and do stupid things. Move on.

[BubbaWilliams]

I was a bouncer at Caffrey's for a while and the basketball team was always in there, and this was while Crean was there. However, only some of them drank.

[MerrittsMustache]

And how many times did Crean show up to pick them up, drive them back to Humphrey Hall and read them the riot act?  Every time, from my experience (we must have been students around the same time).

I never once saw Crean come pick them (doesn't mean it didn't happen a couple times though). In fact, a tipsy Olouma Nnamaka slept on our couch one night (we had mutual friends). There's no way that dude was comfortable on a 6-foot college apt couch.

[Skatastrophy]

I never once saw Crean come pick them (doesn't mean it didn't happen a couple times though). In fact, a tipsy Olouma Nnamaka slept on our couch one night (we had mutual friends). There's no way that dude was comfortable on a 6-foot college apt couch.

haha, classic