[Cracked Sidewalks] Buzz Williams to remain at Marquette as head coach

[martyconlonontherun]

Is there a list of the top 20 coaches and what they make?

[Blackhat]

Well I am white and grew up in the suburbs.   Did sleep at a Howard Johnson last night though.

[willie warrior]

We've been very fair to Buzz.   I think expectations should go up slightly, NIT allowable once, maybe twice.  Otherwise we should be making the tourney.   I agree with others that price of business at MU is a little higher to maintain coaches.  No built in recruiting advantages, climate, etc.

Wrong on expectations going up slightly. The kind of jack he is making, then the expectations should go up considerably. Excuses must be ignored, by admin and fans. We have  quality facilities, play in a top conference, and can offer a quality education. I am amazed that some people still offer the excuse, not much quality tail/hotties, or not very good weather in Milwaukee. Bogus! Look at Butler, look at Syracuse, etc. for how their programs are doing.

Everything is now in place for us to take off. We need to start landing big time players.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

If the market is $2 mil, we pay $2 mil.

I think heightened expectations are a given.

[Goose]

KC---It would be the first time expectations were a given. I would bet 70% of the posters would be happy to continue our NCAA run with similar results. Funny thing is when a Kansas or big school loses we try and lump them back with us. Expectations have been missing for a long time.

I would be willing to bet that internal expectation is for men's basketball to generate enough revenue to pay for all non-revenue sports and have some left over. That is fine goal, but no need to spend a ton of money to do it.

[avid1010]

Wrong on expectations going up slightly. The kind of jack he is making, then the expectations should go up considerably. Excuses must be ignored, by admin and fans. We have  quality facilities, play in a top conference, and can offer a quality education. I am amazed that some people still offer the excuse, not much quality tail/hotties, or not very good weather in Milwaukee. Bogus! Look at Butler, look at Syracuse, etc. for how their programs are doing.

Everything is now in place for us to take off. We need to start landing big time players.

Willie, I love your logic.  If it holds true every BCS school should be in the final four right now, as if VCU and Butler can do it, they certainly should.  It's just plain dumb.  If you want to be VCU or Butler, than copy their "business plan."  Personally, I'll take a pass.  You like to talk about expectations, and I expect you have no idea of who/what will allow MU to meet those expecatations.  If you think there's a better coach out there for the $$$, that would come to MU, toss some names out there.  If not, you pay what you have to, to keep your current coach.  I'm curious as to what $500,000 means as far as expectations, and I'm curious as to why you feel the need to point to any other indicator than wins and losses.  It shows flaws in your logic and rationalization. 

[Goose]

Avid--Would you be disappointed if Cottingham said the following when announcing the new contract:

"We understand the long and rich history that basketball has played at MU. The sport has been an outstanding ambassador for the school over the years. We are proud to announce that Buzz Williams contract has been extended. We decided that the time was right because we believe Buzz is right guy to take the program to the next level. We want our alumni and fans to know that the contract is in the highest level of all coaches in NCAA ball and we want to compete at that level. Our goal moving forward is to continue to grow the brand of MU ball. Our goal is to win a national championship."

[Tugg Speedman]

By willie's expectations, Calipari is a failure.  He' the highest paid coach in basketball and zero titles = failure.

Another thought.  I think it's not a stretch to say we are a top 30 program right now.  Buzz is about to be a top 20 paid coach.  In a year, he'll probably be a top 30 coach next year.  Might be top 25 paid coach in about 3 weeks when all the other positions (including OU) are filled.

So what heightened expectations should a top 30 program have when they pay a coach top 20 to 30 money?

Again, my point is he's not overpayed.

[Goose]

AnotherMU---FF is far different than an occasional S16. Coach Cal has pretty much delivered 97% of the goods. If Buzz has 3/4 of the NCAA success that Cal has I will be more than satisfied. Pay Buzz whatever it takes to be FF contender every year as far as I am concerned.

[GGGG]

Why do people care how much he makes?  I certainly don't.  I'm not paying it.  I am just glad that he's staying.  If it took $2 million...then pay him $2 million.  If it took $5 million...then pay him $5 million.

[GGGG]

AnotherMU---FF is far different than an occasional S16. Coach Cal has pretty much delivered 97% of the goods. If Buzz has 3/4 of the NCAA success that Cal has I will be more than satisfied. Pay Buzz whatever it takes to be FF contender every year as far as I am concerned.

Even if it's with Cal's baggage?  According to the NCAA, he's never been to the Final Four.  Each have been vacated.

[Tugg Speedman]

Calipari has never "officially" made the Final Four.  His two trips have been vacated by the NCAA for cheating.

1996 with Umass because of Marcus Camby
2008 with Memphis because of Derrick Rose

So Calipari is still waiting for his first.

And if Kentucky wins today, will it be his first or will this too be vacated next year?

[avid1010]

No.  I'd be disappointed if he told Buzz that he demanded he land recruits like JP, and told him not to use the excuse of bad weather when missing out on recruits (not like he ever has).  First, I think the program has to have goals/expectations, and that doesn't just fall on Buzz.  Second, I think MU needs to understand that just because they pay well doesn't mean they'll achieve what UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. does.  You talk about expectations a lot, and I expect MU to do what they have to do to put the best coach they can at MU.  I think they've done that, and I that meets my expectations.  I'm not knowledgeable enough about basketball to think I can judge Buzz based on how he recruits (I would have fired Bo Ryan years ago), but I think NCAA appearances are solid for MU...most years that means they're in the top half of the BEAST, and that means you're capable of making a run like UCONN has when you land that special player like Kemba.    

Avid--Would you be disappointed if Cottingham said the following when announcing the new contract:

"We understand the long and rich history that basketball has played at MU. The sport has been an outstanding ambassador for the school over the years. We are proud to announce that Buzz Williams contract has been extended. We decided that the time was right because we believe Buzz is right guy to take the program to the next level. We want our alumni and fans to know that the contract is in the highest level of all coaches in NCAA ball and we want to compete at that level. Our goal moving forward is to continue to grow the brand of MU ball. Our goal is to win a national championship."

[MUMac]

Why do people care how much he makes?  I certainly don't.  I'm not paying it.  I am just glad that he's staying.  If it took $2 million...then pay him $2 million.  If it took $5 million...then pay him $5 million.

+1

We always hear MU will pay the market for their coach and that they will not lose him due to money.  They stepped up and paid Buzz what they believed was the market - for Buzz.  Happy to see that!

[burger]

Somebody posted some stats on 3rd year coaches......

Buzz is in the league with the top 10 coaches of all time most successful starts......

I know that is hard to believe.....But it is what it is.....

Buzz is growing and improving....

Improvement every year in recruiting, B.E. standings, and game coaching and strategy.....

A little at a time.....to make this program what it can be.....

[willie warrior]

Somebody posted some stats on 3rd year coaches......

Buzz is in the league with the top 10 coaches of all time most successful starts......

I know that is hard to believe.....But it is what it is.....

Buzz is growing and improving....

Improvement every year in recruiting, B.E. standings, and game coaching and strategy.....

A little at a time.....to make this program what it can be.....

Sorry, you are a little loose with the facts. Recruiting is not improving. This class he is completing is not as highly regarded as prior. he has not improved in BEast standings, this year was the worst of the 3--trending down. game coaching and strategy--jury is out--otherwise how do you explain the losses this year to Wisky, Louisville, twice, St. John's, Cincy, blowout to UNC, etc.
The only that has grown is his salary. Now we need to see better results!!!

[Coleman]

Any word on if the buyout was increased, maintained or decreased? It was at $3.8 mil, right?

[HouWarrior]

Buzz Williams to remain at Marquette as head coach

I enjoyed reading this Threadline, especially, after the weeks of speculations, , rumor mongering, and concerns on the alternatives.

I am very happy for Buzz, his family, his players, and for the program. All of them richly deserve all we can give them, whether in the form of support, or monetary renumeration (within NCAA rules-lol)

As a fan, I am very happy to see coaching stability and the possibilities of the future.

I am pretty sure Buzz already gives his all, his best, and pushes the team to give their best, all the time---its why he and MU has a nationwide reputation, for being a high energy team that makes all opponents work for it.

More salary and some tourney success dont/cant equate to trying even harder, or being better---if you beleive as I do, they werent holding back before.

I place zero expectations based on salary. Paying a higher salary merely is MU recognizing the competition, esp. in the Texas area,  likes what they see Buzz doing and are willing to try to out bid MU, for his efforts. He and MU have kept it going here--good for us.


With the tourney success, and our popular, more recognized coach staying, recruits who considered others should now more seriously think of committing to us---- to a true BE, and national, up and comer program. With good coaching stability, we are maturing back toward a program that expects, rankings , and big game success. MU just took a big step, today in the right direction.

Thank you.

[NCAARules]

I would be willing to bet that internal expectation is for men's basketball to generate enough revenue to pay for all non-revenue sports and have some left over. That is fine goal, but no need to spend a ton of money to do it.

That is quite a heady expectation, given that no basketball-only school in division I (read as non-football) has posted a net revenues since 2004. (data current as of end of 2009).

Again, some degree of raised expectations is fine, but I wish people would stop projecting specific criteria for success onto the program (unless you have insider knowledge, in which case - please share).

"• No athletics program in this subdivision has reported net generated
revenues since 2005, while one reported small net revenues for 2004.
The median negative net generated revenue (expenses in excess of
generated revenues) in 2009 was $8,340,000. The net losses have
increased steadily over the five year period, from $5,367,000 in
2004. (5.5)"

[tower912]

Great news for Marquette.   The sweet 16 run and the perception of long term stability should be a boon to recruiting.    One schollie left for this year, one for next.     Few impact bigs still available this year.

[brewcity77]

Sorry, you are a little loose with the facts. Recruiting is not improving. This class he is completing is not as highly regarded as prior. he has not improved in BEast standings, this year was the worst of the 3--trending down. game coaching and strategy--jury is out--otherwise how do you explain the losses this year to Wisky, Louisville, twice, St. John's, Cincy, blowout to UNC, etc.
The only that has grown is his salary. Now we need to see better results!!!

I think that's all rather arbitrary. First, the recruiting. Just because Buzz had higher rated players doesn't mean they are necessarily better. Anderson comes from an area constantly ignored in recruiting ratings that are largely compiled by East Coast scouting services. How else can one explain Derrick Williams of Arizona? He was a three-star recruit, and incidentally was offered by Buzz. Might Anderson be the next Williams? Derrick Wilson and Todd Mayo are both being regarded as late-bloomers. Wilson is a first team Class AA New England player, Mayo was regarded as the second best player in the recent Prep National Championship, outshining some top 50 recruits including his own teammate. Considering his bloodline, it's possible that he will end up a 4-star when final ratings come out. In addition, we have another scholarship. With the coaching carousel, it's possible he could add a 4 or even 5 star player.

As far as on-court results, it's all relative. We had exactly zero four-year seniors on this team, and only one of our top players is leaving in JFB. Willie, I have to imagine that even you are expecting better things in the next 2-3 years when you consider who is graduating as opposed to the general trending development we cn expect from recruits like Blue, Cadougan, Wilson, and Gardner. Pointing to only wins and losses without taking anything else into account is as arbitrary as judging recruiting classes only on one recruiting service. Two years ago, we lost four of our five starters to graduation. Last year we lost three starters to graduation. Next year, we lose two, but I think most would argue that Cadougan is already likely to be a notable improvement over Buycks. The decline we've seen should have been predictable, just like improvement would be predictable.

Again, I know that you are expecting improvement, but I think it's a bit narrow to judge Buzz negatively simply because our results have gone down. He's kept us above water. I agree that it's now time to find out if he will sink or swim, but I think continued NCAA appearances have bought him the benefit of the doubt.

[bilsu]

Expectations should go up, but based on what Buzz is now being paid. It should be based on making the sweet 16 and all of the press he got. That should help his recruiting. However, it really will not help this class as most players have already committed. I think the boost comes with the 2013 class as most of the ground work has already been made for the 2012 classes. The next issue is whether we lose any of our current players. Consistancy comes from developing players. Williams, Cadougan Gardner and Otule are showing improvement. Add in Wilson and Singleton into the mix with DJO and Crowder and we have a nice nucleous.

[groove]

jerry seinfeld  "That's a shame"

[Avenue Commons]

What? This story is clearly wrong. The Tulsa World National Daily Post Times had an unnamed source that said Buzz to Oklahoma was a "looking good."

[4everwarriors]

Well I am white and grew up in the suburbs.   Did sleep at a Howard Johnson last night though.

Sh it that's roughin' it. Hope you left the bedbugs behind.