Shaw

[HoopsMalone]

http://www.journalstandard.com/sports/x1305347345/Illini-recruit-Mike-Shaw-expected-to-visit-this-weekend

It looks like Shaw took an unofficial to Illinois last weekend, and he is going to what sounds like their version of Madness at the end of the month.

Hopefully Shaw will learn all he needs to know about Illinois on the unofficial and can come to MU for Madness with enough information to commit.  It's tough to know when you have enough info to make a decision, but hopefully he can see the type of talent he would play with at MU and see the PT available at PF and come on board. 

[Marquette65]

The prior posts on Shaw indicate he " may" have some academic concerns.  If that is the case, Illinois will be a serious player for Shaw.  Always easier to get into your in-state school than a private school w/ higher academic requirements.

[Benny B]

The prior posts on Shaw indicate he " may" have some academic concerns.  If that is the case, Illinois will be a serious player for Shaw.  Always easier to get into your in-state school than a private school w/ higher academic requirements.

Name one recruit - anyone, anywhere - that doesn't have any academic concerns.  The fact is that they all "may" have concerns.  Even a 4.0 student can lose academic eligibility simply by failing one key class in the 4th quarter of his senior year.

However, I think the point of your post was not to call attention to Shaw's academic progress but rather to disparage Illinois' perceived lack of (or lesser) academic requirements.  It would be important to note that even UCLA, Cal, UW, Minnesota, Michigan, etc. all bend their usual academic requirements for athletic recruits.  MU and Illinois are no different in that regard.

That being said, +1.  Illinois sucks.

[ErickJD08]

http://www.journalstandard.com/sports/x1305347345/Illini-recruit-Mike-Shaw-expected-to-visit-this-weekend

It looks like Shaw took an unofficial to Illinois last weekend, and he is going to what sounds like their version of Madness at the end of the month.

Hopefully Shaw will learn all he needs to know about Illinois on the unofficial and can come to MU for Madness with enough information to commit.  It's tough to know when you have enough info to make a decision, but hopefully he can see the type of talent he would play with at MU and see the PT available at PF and come on board. 

MU's talent is definitely getting richer but so is IL.  They have recruited very well the last few years.

[Marquette65]

Benny B, you are correct.  My post was not intended as any comment on Shaw's academics but to point out Illinois's lesser academic requirements, as opposed to a private school, and how that may play on any recruits decision.

[GGGG]

Benny B, you are correct.  My post was not intended as any comment on Shaw's academics but to point out Illinois's lesser academic requirements, as opposed to a private school, and how that may play on any recruits decision.

You can't be dense enough to think that MU doesn't admit basketball players with questionable academics.  Gates, Wade, etc. etc. etc.....

[texaswarrior74]

You can't be dense enough to think that MU doesn't admit basketball players with questionable academics.  Gates, Wade, etc. etc. etc.....

Prior to joining the BEast absolutely true since we could take partial qualifiers, not so much now.....sure recruited athletes aren't held to the same academic standards as a regular admit but that's the case everywhere-even the Ivy League.

[GGGG]

Prior to joining the BEast absolutely true since we could take partial qualifiers, not so much now.....sure recruited athletes aren't held to the same academic standards as a regular admit but that's the case everywhere-even the Ivy League.

Agreed.  My point is that Shaw is going to be admitted to whichever school he chooses.  The question is whether or not he will qualify per NCAA standards.

And the issue with him is that he hasn't taken the SAT...not that he hasn't had a qualifying score.  So honestly it is a bit of an unknown more than anything.

[jeffreyweee]

Illinois is harder to get into than Marquette... and I HATE Illinois.

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Illinois is harder to get into than Marquette... and I HATE Illinois.

People say the same thing about UW-Madison (that it's harder to get into than MU).  However, I personally know people that have gotten into UW-madison, but denied by MU.  It's foolish for people to use blanket statements like that IMHO and most times its purely a case by case basis rather than a cut and dry GPA/ACT cutoff.  None of the 3 are cake walks to get into.

[HoopsMalone]

Shaw does not have academic issues.  It is a HUGE reach by that one blogger from a while ago.  It is not fair to him to even have that associated with him and I don't think we should be even mentioning it in the same breath with Shaw.

Shaw and MU are a perfect fit and I hope Buzz can get him.

[GGGG]

Shaw does not have academic issues.  It is a HUGE reach by that one blogger from a while ago.  It is not fair to him to even have that associated with him and I don't think we should be even mentioning it in the same breath with Shaw.

Yes...completely agreed.  As I mentioned, the blogger assumed issues because he hadn't taken the SAT.  It was a dumb leap to conclusions.

[jeffreyweee]

People say the same thing about UW-Madison (that it's harder to get into than MU).  However, I personally know people that have gotten into UW-madison, but denied by MU.  It's foolish for people to use blanket statements like that IMHO and most times its purely a case by case basis rather than a cut and dry GPA/ACT cutoff.  None of the 3 are cake walks to get into.

Look at Marquette's engineering program then look at U of I's.

Look at Marquette's business program then look at U of I's.

etc...

They are a better institution. It's not really even a question. Of course there are gonna be outliers as with any university, however.

[GGGG]

Look at Marquette's engineering program then look at U of I's.

Look at Marquette's business program then look at U of I's.

How are you supposed to judge this?

[damuts222]

By rankings by US News, U of I Engineering is top 10 in the country.

[Lennys Tap]

Illinois is harder to get into than Marquette... and I HATE Illinois.

Not for basketball players. If a guy is good enough almost every Big Six Conference school has the same requirements - eligibility clearance by the NCAA. Stanford may be an exception as may be ND.

[Benny B]

Not for basketball players. If a guy is good enough almost every Big Six Conference school has the same requirements - eligibility clearance by the NCAA. Stanford may be an exception as may be ND.

Maybe.  Although, Sideshow Bob and his brother Cecil are actually quite intelligent characters on the Simpsons despite their buffoonery, so if that holds true in real life, then perhaps you're right about Stanford... after all, it is the UW of the West.

[jeffreyweee]

Not for basketball players. If a guy is good enough almost every Big Six Conference school has the same requirements - eligibility clearance by the NCAA. Stanford may be an exception as may be ND.

Right, I'm with you there. Pretty much the same everywhere as far as BCS.

[mu-rara]

People say the same thing about UW-Madison (that it's harder to get into than MU).  However, I personally know people that have gotten into UW-madison, but denied by MU.  It's foolish for people to use blanket statements like that IMHO and most times its purely a case by case basis rather than a cut and dry GPA/ACT cutoff.  None of the 3 are cake walks to get into.

It is hard to get into Madison if you are a white kid from SE Wisconsin.  UW rations admits to even out WI geographically and racially.  It is easier if you are from outstate WI and even easier if you are from out of state (paying full tuition).  This is mostly due to level of state subsidy.  UW needs full tuition paying Pennyheads to balance the budget.

[4everwarriors]

jwee is correct on UI vs. MU. To argue otherwise is completely silly. Marquette is middle of the road.

[jmayer1]

jwee is correct on UI vs. MU. To argue otherwise is completely silly. Marquette is middle of the road.

The question then, is why do you teach at a middle of the road institution as opposed to a beacon of higher learning? 

[mikem91288]

Doesn't really have anything to do with how hard each school is to get into. Both will find a place for Shaw, let's get real

Thats IF he passes the ACT with the minimum score for NCAA qualifications. I'm pretty sure that's a 17 or 18. Last I heard he was taking it soon.

[TomW1365]

People say the same thing about UW-Madison (that it's harder to get into than MU).  However, I personally know people that have gotten into UW-madison, but denied by MU.  It's foolish for people to use blanket statements like that IMHO and most times its purely a case by case basis rather than a cut and dry GPA/ACT cutoff.  None of the 3 are cake walks to get into.

There's not even a question of where it's harder to get in... Wisconsin and Illinois have higher standards based on testing scores (ACT).  I wouldn't have had a chance at either, but I think admissions at MU look at some other things like, community service, GPA, athletic participation, etc.  Oh.. and ability to pay tuition.  Marquette's standards have become more stringent as our applications have increased over the last 15 years or so.  

But back to the subject, hopefully we can land a Chicago Catholic League guy in Shaw.... he'll play tough and is used to some of the higher standards that a private school will hold him to.  Good recruits will want to be held to that higher standard.  I think Bruce Weber is a great guy and a good coach.... but Buzz is a better guy and will get the most out of his guys... more so than Weber.

[Pakuni]

Illinois is harder to get into than Marquette... and I HATE Illinois.

In no small measure because as the flagship university of the fifth most populous state in the nation, the U of I receives a massive number of applications, many from state residents with no real chance of getting in. Illinois also has no resident quota, making it more difficult to gain admission. and with so many applicants, they can afford to be more selective and still meet their desired class sizes.

Not to say Illinois isn't an excellent school, but the challenge of getting in is a result of more than just academics.

[MerrittsMustache]

People say the same thing about UW-Madison (that it's harder to get into than MU).  However, I personally know people that have gotten into UW-madison, but denied by MU.  It's foolish for people to use blanket statements like that IMHO and most times its purely a case by case basis rather than a cut and dry GPA/ACT cutoff.  None of the 3 are cake walks to get into.

Same here. I also know people who got into MU but were rejected by Wisco. None of those people were star athletes, however, and being an athlete changes everything. I had a friend who ran track at MU and a another who wrestled, both of them said point-blank that they never would have gotten into MU if not for their athletic abilities. Bottom line, if an athlete is on Shaw's level, regardless of the sport, a vast majority of D1 schools are going to admit him. (Note: I'm not implying that Shaw has academic issues)

One thing that I haven't seen anyone metion is that giant state school also have an advantage in that it's much easier for them to "hide" the athletes who have academic issues in blow-off classes to meet the requirements of their General Studies major.