Shaw

[chapman]

It is hard to get into Madison if you are a white kid from SE Wisconsin.  UW rations admits to even out WI geographically and racially.  It is easier if you are from outstate WI and even easier if you are from out of state (paying full tuition).  This is mostly due to level of state subsidy.  UW needs full tuition paying Pennyheads to balance the budget.

+1.  I haven't checked lately, but they're most likely still holding the title for the lowest percentage of in-state students of any public school in the country. 

And on the line of rationing out spots, there's always the transfer option.  I've known people who have gotten denied by UW and went to MU for a semester and for a year and gotten accepted as transfers, and another that did the same after starting at UWM.

[4everwarriors]

+1.  I haven't checked lately, but they're most likely still holding the title for the lowest percentage of in-state students of any public school in the country. 

And on the line of rationing out spots, there's always the transfer option.  I've known people who have gotten denied by UW and went to MU for a semester and for a year and gotten accepted as transfers, and another that did the same after starting at UWM.



The transfer thing is also getting a lot tougher to do.

[brewcity77]

I transferred pretty easily to Marquette from UW-Waukesha. Proving you can stick out a couple years with a good GPA goes a long way.

Back on topic, I thought Shaw had already confirmed he was coming to Marquette Madness. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but I thought he was one of two that we knew would be here.

[HoopsMalone]

I transferred pretty easily to Marquette from UW-Waukesha. Proving you can stick out a couple years with a good GPA goes a long way.

Back on topic, I thought Shaw had already confirmed he was coming to Marquette Madness. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but I thought he was one of two that we knew would be here.

He is coming, but is scheduled to go to Illinois a week or two later. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

jwee is correct on UI vs. MU. To argue otherwise is completely silly. Marquette is middle of the road.

Top 100 school in America out of over 1000's of schools and we're middle of the road?  I'm telling you 4ever, you really need to get out on the circuit my friend.  Your kids are applying to very good schools so you're pool of comparison is flawed.  If there are 4,058 4 year accredited universities and colleges in the country (per the US Gov't...who, I admit, couldn't count their ass if their life depended on it http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101007/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_stimulus_checks_dead_people ), wouldn't Middle of the Road be around ...oh...2000 or so?  Not a top 100 school?

MU would be the number 1 school in about 20 states in this country.  In another 15 it would be a top 5 school.  In the remaining 15 states, top 10 in the state.  There are so many "middle of the road" universities or damn crappy ones...I mean TRULY middle of the road, you just aren't out there seeing them daily.  Unfortunately I'm surrounded by them with the Cal State system.  19 alone in this state that don't hold a candle to MU in any academic survey (Cal Poly the only exception).

Hit the road my friend, take in the mediocrity and true middle of the road chronicles of education that litter this country.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

In no small measure because as the flagship university of the fifth most populous state in the nation, the U of I receives a massive number of applications, many from state residents with no real chance of getting in. Illinois also has no resident quota, making it more difficult to gain admission. and with so many applicants, they can afford to be more selective and still meet their desired class sizes.

Not to say Illinois isn't an excellent school, but the challenge of getting in is a result of more than just academics.

Ding ding ding.  Pakuni wins a prize.  Wisconsin is no different.  Every Tom, Dlck and Harry apply to the big state school in places like Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota.  Doesn't cost much to apply and the instate tuition is low, so why not give it a whirl.  Private schools receive fewer applications and far fewer of the "let's take a whirl" and apply idiots because the cost to apply is higher and the cost to attend MUCH higher (so Mr and Mrs Idiot typically say DON'T BOTHER applying because we' aren't paying for you to go there).  It skews the admittance rates.

[GGGG]

Ding ding ding.  Pakuni wins a prize.  Wisconsin is no different.  Every Tom, Dlck and Harry apply to the big state school in places like Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota.  Doesn't cost much to apply and the instate tuition is low, so why not give it a whirl.  Private schools receive fewer applications and far fewer of the "let's take a whirl" and apply idiots because the cost to apply is higher and the cost to attend MUCH higher (so Mr and Mrs Idiot typically say DON'T BOTHER applying because we' aren't paying for you to go there).  It skews the admittance rates.

One area where you are absolutely false is application fees.  Most privates have no application fees whatsoever any longer...I know MU doesn't.  Public universities tend to still charge a nominal fee... UW is $25 I believe.

[4everwarriors]

One area where you are absolutely false is application fees.  Most privates have no application fees whatsoever any longer...I know MU doesn't.  Public universities tend to still charge a nominal fee... UW is $25 I believe.

Huh? You're kidding, right? "Most privates have no application fees"? Check again, please. It's big business. Select privates get about 25,000 apps/year at $75 ea. Enough bread to easily fund the whole admission dept. As for MU, each year I sign several "fee waiver cards" and hand them to high school seniors interested in applying. BTW, as of 2008, UW charged $35 sheckles/app.

[ChicosBailBonds]

One area where you are absolutely false is application fees.  Most privates have no application fees whatsoever any longer...I know MU doesn't.  Public universities tend to still charge a nominal fee... UW is $25 I believe.

Absolutely False?  Here are my examples only because my nephew just went through it.  I guess it depends on what schools you are applying to

Application fees

Wake Forest $50 - Private
USC  $50 - Private
Santa Clara $75 - Private
Pepperdine $65 - Private
Boston College $70 - Private
Georgetown University $65 - Private
Butler $0 - Private

Some Public Examples

UW-Madison $44 - Public
Illinois State Universities $40 - Public
Ohio State $40 - Public
University of Oregon $50 - Public
Arizona $50 - Public


Etc.  I'm only going off personal experience, you may be totally right (I suspect you are) that a number of schools are waiving the fees to get applicants.

[GGGG]

I said "most."   And I stand by that.  If you use the common application, *most* private schools will not charge an application fee.  And I am not simply going by personal experience.

Here's a list....not a comprehensive one by any means.

http://www.porcelina.net/freeapps/general.html

[martyconlonontherun]

I said "most."   And I stand by that.  If you use the common application, *most* private schools will not charge an application fee.  And I am not simply going by personal experience.

Here's a list....not a comprehensive one by any means.

http://www.porcelina.net/freeapps/general.html

Technically, you are right in that most private colleges don't. But in the context of this argument, we are talking about bigger Catholic schools and ones that compete with the state schools. The Carroll Universities of the world need to be free cause few people comparatively know anything about them. Not many people will compare smaller colleges like that to big state schools.

[GGGG]

That's not the context of the argument at all.  Pakuni said that Illinois acceptance rate is lower than Illinois'.  Chicos said:

"Private schools receive fewer applications and far fewer of the "let's take a whirl" and apply idiots because the cost to apply is higher and the cost to attend MUCH higher (so Mr and Mrs Idiot typically say DON'T BOTHER applying because we' aren't paying for you to go there).  It skews the admittance rates."

The phrase "bigger Catholic schools" was never stated nor was it implied.  (And BTW, MU doesn't charge an application fee either.)

[jficke13]

If MU doesn't charge an app fee, how come I get alumni recommendation fee waiver cards?

[Pakuni]

That's not the context of the argument at all.  Pakuni said that Illinois acceptance rate is lower than Illinois'.  Chicos said:

"Private schools receive fewer applications and far fewer of the "let's take a whirl" and apply idiots because the cost to apply is higher and the cost to attend MUCH higher (so Mr and Mrs Idiot typically say DON'T BOTHER applying because we' aren't paying for you to go there).  It skews the admittance rates."

The phrase "bigger Catholic schools" was never stated nor was it implied.  (And BTW, MU doesn't charge an application fee either.)

First, I kinda doubt I said "Illinois acceptance rate is lower than Illinois'."

That said, who cares about application fees either way? When you're talking about spending six figures or more on your kid's education, a $50 application isn't going to be much of a disincentive. Likewise, a kid isn't more likely to apply to a private school because it'll save him $50.

None of it changes the argument that large, public institutions get significantly more applications that your typical private school, allowing them not only to be far more selective when filling out their classes, but also to reject more students, thus lowering their acceptance rate (and raising their US News rankings).

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's not the context of the argument at all.  Pakuni said that Illinois acceptance rate is lower than Illinois'.  Chicos said:

"Private schools receive fewer applications and far fewer of the "let's take a whirl" and apply idiots because the cost to apply is higher and the cost to attend MUCH higher (so Mr and Mrs Idiot typically say DON'T BOTHER applying because we' aren't paying for you to go there).  It skews the admittance rates."

The phrase "bigger Catholic schools" was never stated nor was it implied.  (And BTW, MU doesn't charge an application fee either.)

Fair enough...I'll stand by the Private schools get fewer applications.  You've made a fair point on some of the private schools allowing for free applications, many on that list were private, though the list was far from the 4,000+ colleges and universities in the USA.  But I'll concede.

MU should be charging something, IMO.  Most of the schools on that free list are "middle of the road".  

PS  I assume you are MU Viking just with a different name over here...you definitely know your academic admissions stuff if it is you. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

The question then, is why do you teach at a middle of the road institution as opposed to a beacon of higher learning? 

Our dentist friend has only one option in the state....it's the Harvard of Dental Schools in Wisconsin.   

[TheTasteofGarlic]

Our dentist friend has only one option in the state....it's the Harvard of Dental Schools in Wisconsin.   

How about UVic (Home of the Vikes) or Simon Fraser U? These are fine schools and they will waive the fee if you are First Nations.

[ChicosBailBonds]

How about UVic (Home of the Vikes) or Simon Fraser U? These are fine schools and they will waive the fee if you are First Nations.

My assumption is 4ever would like to stay in SE Wisconsin.  There is only one Dental school in Wisconsin that I'm aware of....Marquette University.

[MUSig54]

I just want to say I paid $0 to apply to MU and got a scholarship because of it.

Of course, I've given a bit back since I graduated, so let's just say it evened out (or MU owes me)

[4everwarriors]

Our dentist friend has only one option in the state....it's the Harvard of Dental Schools in Wisconsin.   

Hey, I give my blood, sweat, and tears each day I'm there to help make it better. The dental school, btw, is far above middle of the road.

[jficke13]

I don't get it; do people really think that there is no app fee at MU? There was 6 years ago. I waived it through alumni recommendation. MU sent me alumni recommendation cards this year to give out (presumably to waive the fee).

Also, this is a comical argument for a bball board. Madness can't get here soon enough.

[jmayer1]

Hey, I give my blood, sweat, and tears each day I'm there to help make it better. The dental school, btw, is far above middle of the road.

Marquette is ranked 75th in US News and World Report (for what it's worth) out of an estimated 4,000 accredited 4-year schools (per Chicos). This puts MU in the top 1.875% of all schools in the US.

Comparatively, there are approximately 60 dental schools in the US.  So, unless MU is the best dental school in the US, it is, in fact, middle of the road by your standards! 

[GGGG]

I don't get it; do people really think that there is no app fee at MU? There was 6 years ago.

If you apply online there is no application fee.  Here is the web-site:

https://www.marquetteinfo.org/freshman/

Note were it states "No Application Fee"

[GGGG]

Fair enough...I'll stand by the Private schools get fewer applications.  You've made a fair point on some of the private schools allowing for free applications, many on that list were private, though the list was far from the 4,000+ colleges and universities in the USA.  But I'll concede.

MU should be charging something, IMO.  Most of the schools on that free list are "middle of the road".  

PS  I assume you are MU Viking just with a different name over here...you definitely know your academic admissions stuff if it is you.  

No I am not MU Viking.  I work in higher ed administration at a public university in Indiana.  I have to know *something* right?  

The reason schools like MU don't charge app fees is because they are playing the USN&WR ratings game.  I have mentioned this earlier, but this is how schools play with the metrics so they look more exclusive.  They do everything they can to increase applications so they can turn around and reject a higher %-age of students.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hey, I give my blood, sweat, and tears each day I'm there to help make it better. The dental school, btw, is far above middle of the road.

Well that's good to hear.