Bullseye update on Shaw recruitment

[Daniel]

Why don't you just say who it is? Is it Newbill? I hate how the Scout board works, with everyone super secretive in eluding to what kind of information is being talked about on the premium board.

Newbill would make sense, but Id like to know if something was said that turned off another recruit, and what that was.

Bottom line is, if IWB said it happened, it happened.  If it happened once it can happen again. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Which begs the question if the recruit \ family is upset about a comment, how will this recruit \ family do during a season, four seasons, road games in hostile environments, the newspaper writing a story that says the player struggled, etc?

I thought we were only recruiting mentally tough players. 

[Jay Bee]

I thought we were only recruiting mentally tough players. 

Nice touch.  There is no 'we' when you post on this board, guy. 

[Aughnanure]

Which begs the question if the recruit \ family is upset about a comment, how will this recruit \ family do during a season, four seasons, road games in hostile environments, the newspaper writing a story that says the player struggled, etc?

I thought we were only recruiting mentally tough players. 

Good point. But I do think some of it may have to do with these are some of your most loyal, active, engaged, and, in general, older fans. There parents still see their kids as kids, so I think some of it has to do with people making judgements and accusations before they even got to the school.

I think it would feel strange to see yourself being talked about so freely by anonymous people online, at any age.

[94Warrior]

I think one of the moderators needs to delete a few of the posts in this thread.  What contribution is made by hurling insults?  I get tired of reading insults repeatedly made between the same posters.  And, to read an anonymous poster insult a kid they've never met is offensive.

Finally, if repeat offenders can't clean up their act - they need to be banned.  The are offering nothing positive to the board anyway.

Everything I have read says that Mike Shaw would be an incredible addition to our program.  In my opinion, he is THE single most important recruit we are currently in the running for.  I say this because of what he brings, it closely matches exactly what the team needs.  I, and the vast majority of MU fans, would love to see Mike commit to Marquette.  

[rocky_warrior]

Some posts deleted.  My notes....

Ners & Rock - cut it out.  Or you'll both have to find another place to be "clowns" (The Rock's words).

94Warrior - listen, we've got enough sheriff's in town, but we're not watching posts 24/7.  If something bugs you, click the "report to moderator" button, and we'll take a look at it.  However, I don't stand behind you and tell you how to do your job, so no need to rail on us if you haven't already clicked the "report to moderator" link.

Sorry that I hadn't had a chance to read posts since noon today....geesh!

[TheRock]

apologies to all, lets get this season started so we have something good to talk about!

[NotAnAlum]

Back to Shaw's recruitment.  I've got to admit I just don't get what impresses people about Huggins.  Last year we lost that Minnesota center (I think his name was Noreen) to him.  Back in the Bearcat days I could see Huggins getting "his" type of player.  He recruited a lot of kids with "checkered" pasts.  It was pretty obvious that "the warden" was willing to look the other way on anything that occurred off the court.  There certainly wasn't much pressure to make progress towards graduation.  His teams had that bad boy Oakland Raiders kind of aura.  They pretty much ran C-USA and were top 10 every year.  Huggins was the bad-est dude and in everybody's face.  It all kind of worked together for that kind of kid. 
But since he went to UWV the aura is gone.  He's just another Big East coach.  But what does he tell these families?  "Well I used to recruit a bunch of x-cons and play'em until their eligibility ran out but now I've seen the error of my ways and I'm a changed man"

[muarmy81]

Why don't you just say who it is? Is it Newbill? I hate how the Scout board works, with everyone super secretive in eluding to what kind of information is being talked about on the premium board.

Newbill would make sense, but Id like to know if something was said that turned off another recruit, and what that was.

Ask Vander how the WI boards made him feel...

[GGGG]

Why don't you just say who it is? Is it Newbill? I hate how the Scout board works, with everyone super secretive in eluding to what kind of information is being talked about on the premium board.

Because it doesn't matter who it is.  If connected people like IWB said it happens, we need to take him at his word.  In fact, it's best that he doesn't say who because all people are going to do is draw battle lines.

[MUBurrow]

Kind of an odd place to be. If you were told that between Huggy and Buzz, a recruit's family liked one and his AAU coaches the other, who would you have thought preferred whom?

Dont get me wrong, this doesn't mean anything at all, just kind of surprising.

[GGGG]

Back to Shaw's recruitment.  I've got to admit I just don't get what impresses people about Huggins.  Last year we lost that Minnesota center (I think his name was Noreen) to him.  Back in the Bearcat days I could see Huggins getting "his" type of player.  He recruited a lot of kids with "checkered" pasts.  It was pretty obvious that "the warden" was willing to look the other way on anything that occurred off the court.  There certainly wasn't much pressure to make progress towards graduation.  His teams had that bad boy Oakland Raiders kind of aura.  They pretty much ran C-USA and were top 10 every year.  Huggins was the bad-est dude and in everybody's face.  It all kind of worked together for that kind of kid. 
But since he went to UWV the aura is gone.  He's just another Big East coach.  But what does he tell these families?  "Well I used to recruit a bunch of x-cons and play'em until their eligibility ran out but now I've seen the error of my ways and I'm a changed man"

I cannot believe you are making me do this, but I think Huggins is an excellent coach and I can see why players and their families love him.  Has he taken risks on players?  No doubt.  But he has had plenty of players go through his program that are academically talented as well.  And you mention off the court issues.  Really, have there been all that many under Huggies at any of his stops?  Honestly I don't consider his programs as dirty recruiting wise or filled with off the court issues.  And I don't know how he can be called "another BE coach."  He got to the final four last year.  We all love Dixon here, but he has never got to the final four.

And I don't know how serious either side was in the Noreen recruitment.  I thought Buzz moved on.

[PE8983]

"And you mention off the court issues.  Really, have there been all that many under Huggies at any of his stops?"

His time at Cincinnati involved athletes with off the court issues his entire tenure.  Not to mention an abysmal graduation rate.

[PBRme]

I cannot believe you are making me do this, but I think Huggins is an excellent coach and I can see why players and their families love him.  Has he taken risks on players?  No doubt.  But he has had plenty of players go through his program that are academically talented as well.  And you mention off the court issues.  Really, have there been all that many under Huggies at any of his stops?  Honestly I don't consider his programs as dirty recruiting wise or filled with off the court issues.  And I don't know how he can be called "another BE coach."  He got to the final four last year.  We all love Dixon here, but he has never got to the final four.

And I don't know how serious either side was in the Noreen recruitment.  I thought Buzz moved on.

Per CBS sports report

"Village police in Fairfax, just east of Cincinnati, released a police cruiser video showing Huggins' field sobriety test, which police said he failed.

Huggins had slurred speech, and there was vomit on the driver's door when he was stopped, the police report said. His car was towed, the report said, and Huggins' wife came to pick him up from the police station.

Huggins was scheduled to appear Friday night in mayors court in Fairfax, but that was postponed.

Police Chief Rick Patterson said it was Huggins' first offense. He could be fined and sentenced to three days in jail.

Huggins' arrest is the latest black mark on a program that has been trying to get beyond a series of player arrests and NCAA rules violations in the 1990s that led to probation and a loss of scholarship"

Just Sayin

[GGGG]

"And you mention off the court issues.  Really, have there been all that many under Huggies at any of his stops?"

His time at Cincinnati involved athletes with off the court issues his entire tenure.  Not to mention an abysmal graduation rate.

I know about his DUI...but honestly, while I know he had some players arrested, I don't think those issues extended over his "entire tenure."  Regardless, his players have always loved the guy...I can see why people want to play for him.

[NYWarrior]

I don't think those issues extended over his "entire tenure."  Regardless, his players have always loved the guy...I can see why people want to play for him.

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Here's a few of the folks arrested or kicked off the team for various things during Huggins' tenure:  Art Long, Donald Little, Danny Fortson, Roy Bright, Eugene Land, Shawn Myrick, Jerome Harper, assistant coach Keith Legree ... not to mention that his Cincy program was nailed for NCAA violations (lack of institutional control) in 1998.

The problem was deep and pronounced during his entire tenure at Cincy -- http://sports.findlaw.com/basketball/tarnished/04/index.html ... and don't forget what great citizens several others were after leaving school (Corie Blunt, Darnell Burton, Dontonio Wingfield, Steve Logan).

[GGGG]

OK...obviously I am wrong about the arrest issue...

[mu-rara]

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Here's a few of the folks arrested or kicked off the team for various things during Huggins' tenure:  Art Long, Donald Little, Danny Fortson, Roy Bright, Eugene Land, Shawn Myrick, Jerome Harper, assistant coach Keith Legree ... not to mention that his Cincy program was nailed for NCAA violations (lack of institutional control) in 1998.

The problem was deep and pronounced during his entire tenure at Cincy -- http://sports.findlaw.com/basketball/tarnished/04/index.html ... and don't forget what great citizens several others were after leaving school (Corie Blunt, Darnell Burton, Dontonio Wingfield, Steve Logan).

Don't forget Reuben Patterson.

[bma725]

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Here's a few of the folks arrested or kicked off the team for various things during Huggins' tenure:  Art Long, Donald Little, Danny Fortson, Roy Bright, Eugene Land, Shawn Myrick, Jerome Harper, assistant coach Keith Legree ... not to mention that his Cincy program was nailed for NCAA violations (lack of institutional control) in 1998.

The problem was deep and pronounced during his entire tenure at Cincy -- http://sports.findlaw.com/basketball/tarnished/04/index.html ... and don't forget what great citizens several others were after leaving school (Corie Blunt, Darnell Burton, Dontonio Wingfield, Steve Logan).

And it wasn't just at Cincy.  Already at WVU, Cam Thoroughman was arrested and Joe Mazzulla has been arrested three separate times.  The only place he didn't have off the court issues was K-State...and that's because he wasn't there long enough.

[NYWarrior]

And it wasn't just at Cincy.  Already at WVU, Cam Thoroughman was arrested and Joe Mazzulla has been arrested three separate times.  The only place he didn't have off the court issues was K-State...and that's because he wasn't there long enough.

+1

[mileskishnish72]

If indeed there is a "segment of individuals most influential" in Shaw's recruitment who are favoring Marquette, you'd hope it would be his family given that the Univ. of Central Fla's Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports reports that the graduation rate for African-American men's basketball student athletes is 100% at Marquette and 30% at W. Va.
Marquette was one of a half-dozen schools with a 100% rate - there's a school in northern Indiana that did it as well.

[PBRme]

Valpo?

[PE8983]

"Regardless, his players have always loved the guy...I can see why people want to play for him."

They love him because he will make you a better basketball player on the court, and you don't have any accountability off the court (either in the classroom or on campus).  Huggins didn't get fired at UC because of his coaching or because of his DUI.  He got fired because Nancy Zimpher was tired of all of the players off court transgressions and academic performances over his tenure.

[Aughnanure]

And it wasn't just at Cincy.  Already at WVU, Cam Thoroughman was arrested and Joe Mazzulla has been arrested three separate times.  The only place he didn't have off the court issues was K-State...and that's because he wasn't there long enough.

Kstate got a pretty good deal out of Huggins, looking back now. Jump started their program back, and didn't have to deal with all the other issues Huggins can bring.

[Pakuni]

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Here's a few of the folks arrested or kicked off the team for various things during Huggins' tenure:  Art Long, Donald Little, Danny Fortson, Roy Bright, Eugene Land, Shawn Myrick, Jerome Harper, assistant coach Keith Legree ... not to mention that his Cincy program was nailed for NCAA violations (lack of institutional control) in 1998.

The problem was deep and pronounced during his entire tenure at Cincy -- http://sports.findlaw.com/basketball/tarnished/04/index.html ... and don't forget what great citizens several others were after leaving school (Corie Blunt, Darnell Burton, Dontonio Wingfield, Steve Logan).

Jerome Harper was arrested before he ever arrived at Cincy, and Huggins pulled his scholarship offer after the arrest. Fortson and Long were acquitted, and what they arrested for was hardly the most serious of offenses. Legree also was acquitted.
And if we're going to hold programs accountable for every athlete arrest AFTER they leave, a lot of schools are going to look rogue. Heck, Michigan State may be the worst program of all (see: Burress, Vincent, Ingram, Rogers, Underwood, Rison, Cleaves, Randolph, etc.).

Not to say Huggins didn't bring in a lot of questionable characters over the years, but his reputation is worse than the reality. Essentially, you've listed seven arrests over 16 years, at least three of which led to acquittal. Hardly a sterling record, but I'd be willing to bet we could find similar numbers at plenty of programs who don't get nearly the cr@p Huggins does. Like our friends to the west, for example (see: Boo Wade, Roy Boone, Diamond Taylor, Jeremy Glover, Marcetteaus McGee, etc.)