Bullseye update on Shaw recruitment

[Pakuni]

Some good news and some bad news in there.

http://ilprepbullseye.com/page54.html

[nyg]

Good news is that he is coming to Midnight Madness.

Bad news is potential academic issues.

[goodgreatgrand]

What is the cut-off score on the ACT and SAT? I thought it was an 18 on the ACT, maybe?

So, I think TheRock is simply stating the obvious.

[Josey Wales]

Yea because what the clowns on here, including myself, say matters when it comes down to recruiting.  You need to check your self-awareness.

It has been proven in the past that current players, coaches, and possibly recruits do visit this message board. I'm not saying it matters to them, but they do see it.

[Pakuni]

What is the cut-off score on the ACT and SAT? I thought it was an 18 on the ACT, maybe?

So, I think TheRock is simply stating the obvious.

A. It's a sliding scale depending on what the kid's GPA is.

B. The ACT score used by the NCAA is the sum of the four sections, not an average.

[martyconlonontherun]

B. The ACT score used by the NCAA is the sum of the four sections, not an average. Good thing you're not insulting the intelligence of others. That might prompt someone here to question your own.

I'm confused. Wouldn't an average or the sum be comparable?

I have no idea how it works but for better understanding say there is 4 sections worth 100 each. Now you say you need a sum of 320. But someone says you need an average of 80. Isn't it the same thing? Or are the sections weighted differently?

[Pakuni]

I'm confused. Wouldn't an average or the sum be comparable?

I have no idea how it works but for better understanding say there is 4 sections worth 100 each. Now you say you need a sum of 320. But someone says you need an average of 80. Isn't it the same thing? Or are the sections weighted differently?

I think the difference is that the sum gives a certain a whole number to match alongside the sliding scale (see link below), whereas an average wouldn't necessarily.
Of course, I suppose the NCAA could just add decimal points to the scale, but apparently they've decided it's easier dealing with whole numbers.

http://web5.ncaa.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/pdf/Quick_Reference_Sheet_for_IE_Standards-6-18-09.pdf

[martyconlonontherun]

Lol now I am even more confused. ACT score of 37-86? How does that work? I'm not that old, thought the test was up to 36?

[Mobot]

Reading between the lines, it sounds like his family likes West Virginia and his AAU coaches like Marquette.  Depaul fans like Depaul and Illinois fans like Illinois.

My guess is that he does fine on his ACT and ends up at West Virginia.  (cue the John Denver music)

[NYWarrior]

Some good news and some bad news in there.

http://ilprepbullseye.com/page54.html

This is a red herring, a ridiculous report.  There's nothing in this article, or in any that I've read about Shaw, suggesting the kid struggles as a student.  Calling out Shaw's test cadence is a non-starter from a reporter who must be bored.  For example where is the evidence that this "is something that is of huge concern to all of the schools that remain finalists in the Shaw recruiting sweepstakes"?

Truth is, no kid from the 2011 class can/will qualify before the end of their high school tenure anyway.  BTW there are 12 more test dates for the ACT/SAT during this academic year.

[MUfan12]

This is a red herring, a ridiculous report.  There's nothing in this article, or any that I've read about Shaw, that suggests the kid struggles as a student.  Calling out Shaw's test cadence is a non-starter from a reporter who must be bored looking for an angle that isn't there.

I'm not sure that was their intent, to be honest. The Shaw recruitment has been one of the more secretive ones I can remember, and has led to a lot of insinuations of foul play (mainly from our friends in Champaign-Urbana).

I think they meant to dispel those rumors by giving the reason it has gone slowly. Not sure how effective it was.

[Benny B]

Good news is that he is coming to Midnight Madness.

Bad news is potential academic issues.

After reading the article, I would also say there's "potential" that he decides to give up basketball completely and focus on becoming an internationally renowned flautist.

[Daniel]

I don't tin it's much of an issue.  If his grades are go now, then he will be fine, and as said bove, there are plenty of dates to still take the ACT, multiple times as most students do anyway.

[NersEllenson]

Reading between the lines, it sounds like his family likes West Virginia and his AAU coaches like Marquette.  Depaul fans like Depaul and Illinois fans like Illinois.

My guess is that he does fine on his ACT and ends up at West Virginia.  (cue the John Denver music)

Agree that reading between the lines..it sounds like his AAU coaches favor MU - as who else could be called "most influential?"  That said, I'd rather be in our position than DePaul's, or Illinois!   Looks like it will be head to head with Huggy Bear on this one.  What parents see in that guy is beyond me.  Truthfully, almost none of his kids EVER graduate, his teams are classic flame outs in the NCAA.  Granted he took WVU to Elite 8 this year..but prior to that..his KState and Cincy teams always flamed out.  I think 1 Final Four maybe in 1992?  Seems I recall many surprise exits of his Cincy teams.  His NCAA tourney record isn't that great...plus..getting to WVU to see a game, versus hopping in the car to drive 80 miles to MKE?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm not sure that was their intent, to be honest. The Shaw recruitment has been one of the more secretive ones I can remember, and has led to a lot of insinuations of foul play (mainly from our friends in Champaign-Urbana).

I think they meant to dispel those rumors by giving the reason it has gone slowly. Not sure how effective it was.

Correct.  There have been several schools and fans making these claims and not just with the Shaw recruitment, but also with Dawson and others.  The question becomes this, is it sour grapes or is it legitimate?  

As far as the Bullseye report, one of them eluded to this on the Illini board a few days ago.  I thought the implication was that he would likely go to WVU if some of these waiting issues were to go away, at least that was my first impression.  I may have read it wrong.

[MarkCharles]

Why would he wait so long to take the test?  Is he just that dumb?  Sounds like he is getting terrible advice.

TheRock

You have thrown a lot of bs around this board in the short time you have been here. I won't tell you to delete your account like Ners, but you should seriously think about some of the stuff you put onto the internet.

[TheRock]

TheRock

You have thrown a lot of bs around this board in the short time you have been here. I won't tell you to delete your account like Ners, but you should seriously think about some of the stuff you put onto the internet.

more restraint will be shown

[MUfan12]

Correct.  There have been several schools and fans making these claims and not just with the Shaw recruitment, but also with Dawson and others.  The question becomes this, is it sour grapes or is it legitimate?  

I think it's mainly grapes. Look at Dawson- The rumors of improprieties were from MSU fans, and lo and behold, he ended up at MSU. Fact is, the majority of this stuff comes from Big Tweleven schools.

I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[Bob "Big Daddy" Wild]

more restraint will be shown

According to IWB, somewhat recent comments on a message board impacted a recruit's (I believe his family's) opinion of Marquette, in a bad way.  Take that as you will, but IWB brings a ton of info with him in his posts, interviews recruits, etc.

This is public domain, people do read it.  Calling anyone an idiot when you have very little information on a subject is...well...not what I would do.  I'm not saying every single post will have an impact, but if you act like an ass in the second or third comment in a thread under a recruits name, maybe you cast Marquette fans in a negative light?

[martyconlonontherun]

According to IWB, somewhat recent comments on a message board impacted a recruit's (I believe his family's) opinion of Marquette, in a bad way.  Take that as you will, but IWB brings a ton of info with him in his posts, interviews recruits, etc.

This is public domain, people do read it.  Calling anyone an idiot when you have very little information on a subject is...well...not what I would do.  I'm not saying every single post will have an impact, but if you act like an ass in the second or third comment in a thread under a recruits name, maybe you cast Marquette fans in a negative light?

Newbil? 

[GGGG]

This is a red herring, a ridiculous report.  There's nothing in this article, or in any that I've read about Shaw, suggesting the kid struggles as a student.  Calling out Shaw's test cadence is a non-starter from a reporter who must be bored.  For example where is the evidence that this "is something that is of huge concern to all of the schools that remain finalists in the Shaw recruiting sweepstakes"?

Truth is, no kid from the 2011 class can/will qualify before the end of their high school tenure anyway.  BTW there are 12 more test dates for the ACT/SAT during this academic year.

Thank you.  When I read that I thought that it was late, but hardly unheard of.

[GGGG]

Agree that reading between the lines..it sounds like his AAU coaches favor MU - as who else could be called "most influential?"  

Which, even if we don't end up with Shaw, means that Buzz has done major work in Chicago...and hopefully that will pay off for us down the road.

[cheebs09]

Couldn't it be possible that he's waiting on the ACT or SAT because he's not all the worried about it? Maybe he is a pretty smart kid and with his GPA he doesn't need a great score and feel he will do well on it. I mean he's taken an ACT practice test so it's not like he isn't thinking about it at all. I found it surprising he hasn't taken either yet, but didn't think it meant he had academic issues. He could, but that isn't the only conclusion someone can jump to. I haven't read about any academic issues, and if there are it is usually brought up when a recruit is discussed, and there hasn't been anything brought up that I know of.

[Aughnanure]

more restraint will be shown

Thanks, and good. Unfortunately, recruits do visit message boards and will use it as a way to gauge the type of fans we are.

[Aughnanure]

According to IWB, somewhat recent comments on a message board impacted a recruit's (I believe his family's) opinion of Marquette, in a bad way.  Take that as you will, but IWB brings a ton of info with him in his posts, interviews recruits, etc.

This is public domain, people do read it.  Calling anyone an idiot when you have very little information on a subject is...well...not what I would do.  I'm not saying every single post will have an impact, but if you act like an ass in the second or third comment in a thread under a recruits name, maybe you cast Marquette fans in a negative light?

Why don't you just say who it is? Is it Newbill? I hate how the Scout board works, with everyone super secretive in eluding to what kind of information is being talked about on the premium board.

Newbill would make sense, but Id like to know if something was said that turned off another recruit, and what that was.