Anybody else sick of Wade?

[HouWarrior]

Scottie Pippen played his final two years with the Bulls.

Pippen was washed up and couldn't play yet the Bulls traded for him, gave him good money, and kept him for two years to finish his career.  They also gave him a huge retirement sendoff.  Yet another example of their loyalty.

The Bulls organization has many flaws but loyalty isn't one of them.

hmmm, fact check time....

...I thought after the championship years, Pippen was traded by the  Bulls to the Rockets, and I thought I saw him in a few games here (maybe Barkleys butt blocked my view and I was mistaken-lol). Then, Houston traded Pippen to Portland.
Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.

The Bulls did not, as you seem to recall, trade for him.

Pippen played just one season, 2003-04(23 games), not the "final two years", as you seem to recall.

Pippen retired in the off season, in Oct. 2004, on the first day of training camp..... the "sendoff" you referenced was not for the retirement, ,as you seem to recall..

...or even in the  2004-5 season , following the announcement

Rather in the 2005-06 season, 14 months  later, they did a dec 9, 2005 retirement of his jersey-- a frequent nice ceremony every NBA team  gives its players whose jersey is retired.

You, like Wade, are entitled to your differing opinions on the loyalty point. I am sure you  respect Wade's right to differ with your view.
I assume my corrections of your fact recollections, above, do  not change your view, one bit, of the team's loyalty.

Regardlees of facts, YOUR loyalty to the team is not questioned, (and neither I, nor Wade doubt it--lol)

PS--
Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).

The bulls could offer scott anything, and he'll accept....
.per his agent's website..

."Scottie Pippen is now available for celebrity appearances, corporate appearances, personal appearances, casino appearances, tradeshow appearances, convention appearances, celebrity golf tournaments, sports camps, coaching clinics, autograph signings, endorsement deals, website endorsements, television commercials, radio commercials, store grand openings, VIP Meet & Greets, new product launch campaigns, spokesperson campaigns and speaking engagements. Book Scottie Pippen to meet and mingle with your best corporate clients, friends and business associates. ..."

[Blackhat]

Bulls blow. 

[mugrad99]

hmmm, fact check time....

...I thought after the championship years, Pippen was traded by the  Bulls to the Rockets, and I thought I saw him in a few games here (maybe Barkleys butt blocked my view and I was mistaken-lol). Then, Houston traded Pippen to Portland.
Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.

The Bulls did not, as you seem to recall, trade for him.

Pippen played just one season, 2003-04(23 games), not the "final two years", as you seem to recall.

Pippen retired in the off season, in Oct. 2004, on the first day of training camp..... the "sendoff" you referenced was not for the retirement, ,as you seem to recall..

...or even in the  2004-5 season , following the announcement

Rather in the 2005-06 season, 14 months  later, they did a dec 9, 2005 retirement of his jersey-- a frequent nice ceremony every NBA team  gives its players whose jersey is retired.

You, like Wade, are entitled to your differing opinions on the loyalty point. I am sure you  respect Wade's right to differ with your view.
I assume my corrections of your fact recollections, above, do  not change your view, one bit, of the team's loyalty.

Regardlees of facts, YOUR loyalty to the team is not questioned, (and neither I, nor Wade doubt it--lol)

PS--
Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).

The bulls could offer scott anything, and he'll accept....
.per his agent's website..

."Scottie Pippen is now available for celebrity appearances, corporate appearances, personal appearances, casino appearances, tradeshow appearances, convention appearances, celebrity golf tournaments, sports camps, coaching clinics, autograph signings, endorsement deals, website endorsements, television commercials, radio commercials, store grand openings, VIP Meet & Greets, new product launch campaigns, spokesperson campaigns and speaking engagements. Book Scottie Pippen to meet and mingle with your best corporate clients, friends and business associates. ..."

To add to that let's weigh each side:

Wade: Talks to Jordan, probably other former Bulls, and gets their view (admittedly one sided), and sees how Miami treats their former players. Has his OPINION that the Bulls are not nearly as loyal to their all time greats as Miami is.

MUScoopers who love the bulls, as well as talk show hosts, who have no first hand (or even second hand knowledge) think his opinion is wrong. They give a handful of former scrubs , and Jordan coat-tail riders , who have had some dealings with the Bulls organization after their career.

Granted, Wade was a little strong on this, but I'll take his side on this. The smell of Jerry Krause still permeates.

[GGGG]

Does it bother you that with Pippen's lack of $, and sad comeback try with the finnish and swede teams(nov 2007), the bulls havent given him some sort of job to help his $ woes/bankruptcy? ..or that, earlier, ..When he tried an NBA comeback in Feb 2007, he was not contacted by the Bulls? ., or that ..the Bulls rebuffed the 2007 comeback try with Chicago Bulls GM John Paxson telling espn chris Sheridan: "I think he should be getting into coaching." (no coach job was offered, either).

They rebuffed the comeback try because in his last year with the Bulls, it was clear that he was over the hill and reports were that he was griping a little too much about his role.  He was given an assistant's job with Phil Jackson and the Lakers in 2005, but the word was that he wasn't really all that interested in working too hard.  He also was an analyst with ESPN for a bit, but sucked at that too.

You really can't blame the Bulls for this.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

The Bulls could have canceled Jay Williams contract after his motorcycle accident but instead paid it out entirely.  That shows more than anything about how they treated MJ & SP.  It's how you treat the little guys, not the big ones.

I don't have any issue with DW doing a little posturizing here.  It's all part of the negotiation process.

[CrazyEcho]

The Bulls could have canceled Jay Williams contract after his motorcycle accident but instead paid it out entirely.  That shows more than anything about how they treated MJ & SP.  It's how you treat the little guys, not the big ones.

I don't have any issue with DW doing a little posturizing here.  It's all part of the negotiation process.

While it's generally true, I don't think how they treat the "little guys" is relevant to D-Wade as he is definitely more along the lines of MJ & SP.

[Wade for President]

Please delete this thread.  Outside of murder or any other major felony, there's NOTHING that Wade could do that would annoy me.

Biggest mancrush EVER.

Wade for President

[Mr. Nielsen]

For what Wade did for Marquette, it's hard not to get sick of him.

[LastWarrior]

Fact check...

Bulls paid MJ $66 million over his final two seasons.  As for Pip, he wanted to leave to win another championship.  He was a free agent and as a goodwill gesture, Bulls signed him and traded him giving him an additional $23 million more than any other team could offer.  Also, what's Pip doing now?  He's writing a column for thw Bulls website and is at many Bulls games.

As the Bulls organization said... Anybody that doubts their loyalty is misinformed.

[g0lden3agle]

For what Wade did for Marquette, it's hard not to get sick of him.

Is this post meant to contradict itself? Wade put MU back on the map, and that makes it hard NOT to get sick of him?

[copious1218]

Here is the quote:

"I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty," Wade told the Tribune. "I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball ... how loyal they are. I don't know about the Bulls."

Note that he says he DOESN'T KNOW about the Bulls loyalty.  This is different than saying they are not loyal.

Anyone know the context of the quote - it looks like he was responding to a question, not just coming out and saying this.

[damuts222]

Wade Shifts Gears on Bulls Loyalty

New story this morning

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/2327906,CST-SPT-bull28.article

I love Wade, I even have a poster of him in my room (not kidding). That being said, loyalty would be for Wade to resign with the Heat, now if he leaves what does that say? Loyalty goes both ways. I'm not criticizing him, but players in every sport talk about the team's loyalty to them, but players have an obligation to the team as well.

[MerrittsMustache]

There is the perception out there that the Bulls aren't all that great to their former players, largely because of the perception that Krause and Reinsdorf ran MJ and Phil out of town, resulting in Pippen's desire to go elsewhere. The 3 biggest names in the team's history were not given a great amount respect at the end of their historic run. There was also ex-GM Jerry Krause's infamous comment that players don't win championships, front offices do. Since Wade hasn't lived in Chicago since around 2000 (shortly after all this went down), it's likely he still has the perception that the Bulls aren't all that loyal to former players because that's what he remembers. Let's also not forget the big free agent year of 2000 when the Bulls planned to bring in a superstar but got turned down by Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, Eddie Jones and Tracy McGrady. True or not, the stigma was that the Bulls front office was not great to their stars so no one wanted to go to Chicago. Obviously a lot has changed since then, but that perception is apparently still out there.

Also, whoever called Jay Williams "a little guy" is clueless. He was the #2 pick in the draft and was expected to be a franchise player. Some might say it was a classy move to help him out, others might say they simply wanted to treat him well just in case he was able to make a comeback.

[MUBurrow]

What the hell difference does it make who went first. Infidelity is infidelity. You don't take a number to do so.

Didn't you have logic at Marquette? Fr Davitt is ashamed.

Hell hath no fury like a comical scoop name scorned.

[kmwtrucks]

Jordan's last 3 years he sat down with Jerry Reinsdorf and Jerry said how much do you want to make. Jordan said 30mil and Jerry said fine.  Pippen is broke and is mad about it.  His Nickname in Chicago is NO TIP PIP.  I could be wrong but Bird does not own part of the celtic's and then worked for IND.  Does that make the celtics unloyal?  do Stockton and Malone work for the Jazz?  Wade wants to resign with Miami but only if he can get another great player to join him so he is putting down the other options.  Also 90% of NBA superstars have wandering eye's. 

[Aughnanure]

Wade > Bulls........ no one cares about your Chicago sports teams here guys.

[TallTitan34]

Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003.

Either way the Bulls paid good money to a worthless player.  I'd say that is pretty loyal....

Now can you tell me how the Bulls weren't loyal to Pete Meyers, John Paxon, Jay Williams, Bill Cartwright, Bob Love, Bill Wennington, Stacy King, and B.J. Armstrong.

[TallTitan34]

Wade > Bulls........ no one cares about your Chicago sports teams here guys.

Then why are there 40+ replys.....

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Either way the Bulls paid good money to a worthless player.  I'd say that is pretty loyal...

Or just plain STUPID

Mods please erase this thread......suggesting anyone is sick of D Wade should be grounds for being kicked off the site!

[HouWarrior]

Here is the quote:

"I think the biggest question that you think about has to be loyalty," Wade told the Tribune. "I know one thing about Miami: It is a very loyal organization. I see what they do with their players when their players get done with the game of basketball ... how loyal they are. I don't know about the Bulls."

Note that he says he DOESN'T KNOW about the Bulls loyalty.  This is different than saying they are not loyal.

Anyone know the context of the quote - it looks like he was responding to a question, not just coming out and saying this.

WOW!!! I totally agree...totally. Assuming this is the quote....I am embarrassed for having bothered with this thread.

I.am more embarrassed for the bulls fans and all those who "bit" on ESPN and claim of others that the loyalty of the Bulls was an issue.


This was simple sixth grade reading comprehension error...

Example:
I live on earth, so breathable air is important to me. I know earth has breathable air..... I don't know about Mars'  breathable air
.

Would martians or bulls fans claim insult that I have said they do not have air ?

OR....picking words of a "disloyal speaker", as some see Wade..."It is important to me that when I open my wrapped present that I find a great gift inside. I opened my present  from the wife, and it was a great gift. I dont know about girlfriends present though.

Should the girlfriend say I have just said to her that her unopend present to me sucked? ....No...the girlfriend puts on something really nice and says ..Wait and open what I have for you!!

In trying to attract someone who has the choice of coming to you or not (or influencing others to come to you or not)..the good girlfriend (and all BULLS fans) CAREFULLY reads what the target man says is important to him, takes no insult at what he says is important, and she goes out of her way to WOOOOOO and to please the man , to convince him to leave the wife...She does not kick him out on the street, for admitting he hasnt yet opened her present.

Avid reading, and active listening would never have given this crazy, misinformed story any traction, in the first instance....I am so very sorry I failed to read and research the quote....and so should bulls fans...IMO.

[LastWarrior]

WOW!!! I totally agree...totally. Assuming this is the quote....I am embarrassed for having bothered with this thread.

I.am more embarrassed for the bulls fans and all those who "bit" on ESPN and claim of others that the loyalty of the Bulls was an issue.


This was simple sixth grade reading comprehension error...

Example:
I live on earth, so breathable air is important to me. I know earth has breathable air..... I don't know about Mars'  breathable air
.

Would martians or bulls fans claim insult that I have said they do not have air ?

OR....picking words of a "disloyal speaker", as some see Wade..."It is important to me that when I open my wrapped present that I find a great gift inside. I opened my present  from the wife, and it was a great gift. I dont know about girlfriends present though.

Should the girlfriend say I have just said to her that her unopend present to me sucked? ....No...the girlfriend puts on something really nice and says ..Wait and open what I have for you!!

In trying to attract someone who has the choice of coming to you or not (or influencing others to come to you or not)..the good girlfriend (and all BULLS fans) CAREFULLY reads what the target man says is important to him, takes no insult at what he says is important, and she goes out of her way to WOOOOOO and to please the man , to convince him to leave the wife...She does not kick him out on the street, for admitting he hasnt yet opened her present.

Avid reading, and active listening would never have given this crazy, misinformed story any traction, in the first instance....I am so very sorry I failed to read and research the quote....and so should bulls fans...IMO.

What the earlier quote left out is his next comment on the subject...

"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. ... You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."

[Skatastrophy]

What the earlier quote left out is his next comment on the subject...

"I see Michael Jordan is not there, Scottie Pippen is not there. ... You know, these guys are not a part," Wade said. "Things like that. So that is probably one of the biggest things for me, because I am a very loyal person."

Right.  So he explains that he knows very little about the subject beyond what's up with two players he remembers from his childhood.  Alert the press! 

[SacWarrior]

It seems to me that the only people who are "sick of Wade" are Bulls fans disparaged by his remarks. I love Dwyane Wade, and unless he signs with the Los Angeles Lakers or murders somebody (those are equal sins in my book) I always will. No comments about some team I couldn't care less about (a team that can't hold a 35 point lead against a 17 win team no less) are going to change that.

[damuts222]

Right.  So he explains that he knows very little about the subject beyond what's up with two players he remembers from his childhood.  Alert the press!

I understand it was an interview with the Chicago Tribune, but why mention the Bulls at all. He brought it upon himself by even expressing his opinion on his hometown team. Why would he bring up the Bulls, he plays for the Heat.

I speak for myself, but just because I disagree with what he says doesn't mean I am sick of him. Only the original thread starter states this and one or two others.

[RawdogDX]

I'm a bulls fan who is not sick of wade.
He has a right to this opinion, which i don't understand, but will admit that he knows more than i do.
I wish he would keep it to himself in this case, but that is obviously for self serving reasons.
I hope that this isn't a ploy by him to steer someone away from the bulls to miami, because that would piss me off.  But i'm not asserting that to be the case. 

As a bulls fan I am very worried that if he does honestly feel this way (right or wrong) that it could be a common perception, which could hurt our chances of landing lebron or bosh.

especially since imo: lebron= multiple titles, bosh= perennial title contender