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If you can go back in time knowing what you know, would you want Crean to stay at Marquette or keep things the way they are with Buzz?

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2010, 11:39:05 AM »
 Buzz has improved his "look" and media ability by leaps in less than 2 years.

  


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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2010, 12:13:50 PM »
I love Buzz and think that he has and will continue to do a great job at MU.

However, until he gets to a final four and recruits 4 (possibly 5) NBA players to the roster he will be behind TC in the pantheon of MU Coaches. 

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2010, 12:17:42 PM »
I can deal with a coach leaving for the Indiana's of the world, as long as the program is not seen as a stepping stone to coach at Virginia or Oklahoma state.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 12:18:02 PM »
Buzz, like Crean, may someday leave for a more high profile job...but I could never imagine his players finding out about on SportsCenter.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2010, 12:23:54 PM »
Tower912 hit it on the head for me.  When Crean left I was a little disappointed but I wasn't scared like I was when he seemed to be ready to leave after the Final 4.  I felt we'd be ok.
When Buzz was hired it was a little bit of a let down.  I thought that our new position in the BE would let us take our pick of hot coaches.  The selection of Buzz seemed like settling to me.
Two years later I'm very happy.  So far Buzz has gotten us through the transition from the 3 Amigos to what appears will be the next generation and we've done so while remaining competitive and fun to watch.  Sure Buzz makes mistakes but he seems to learn from those mistakes.  One thing that comes through loud and clear is that the players LOVE him and he LOVE's them and I mean that in the truest sense of the word.  I also believe that Buzz means it when he says that he is here for the long haul.  TC said that because it was politically correct and good for recruiting.  Buzz says that because I think he means it.  Some say wait until the Texas job opens up but I really think that Buzz has a reverence for the trust MU placed in him and he won't walk away from that lightly.  Not having to worry about that year after year is very refreshing.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2010, 12:29:17 PM »
Is this accepted as fact?  Asking the question, not trying to lay a landmine.  I don't know.  Regardless (or is it irregardless ;)), I think recruiting is still the most important part of CBB and so far, pretty good for Buzz.
Dean was pretty dang good in game.  He was a gym rat type guy who could x and o you and adjust in game.
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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2010, 12:30:16 PM »
I think in 1 1/2 years Buzz has shown that he is a better coach and no doubt a better recruiter than Crean.  Although I think Crean's teams played much better defense.  The main thing is the time that he has done it in.  He has not only maintained the status quo, but has the program in line to potentially rise even further in upcoming years.  He landed the most highly touted recruit in recent Marquette history and has surrounded him other great recruits.  His coaching, to me, is beyond his years and already better than Crean.  I think it only gets better in the years to come.  If Buzz is able to get this team into the tournament this year it will truly be a remarkable feat and setting MU up for a potential 8+ year run in the tournament.  A reasonable person couldn't expect much more from Buzz at this point.  As far as choking goes I think that falls on the players.  Buzz will take the heat for it, but in the final minutes of games it's up to the players to take care of business. Especially veteran ones.

I think Crean was also a great hire and him getting MU into the Big East can't be over looked obviously in addition to the Final Four.  The departure was probably best for both parties. I don't think he'll be fired at Indiana anytime soon, but I do think it will happen probably around 2015ish.  Lacking Big Ten titles and postseason results.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2010, 12:40:30 PM »
Mike Deane was a far better game coach than either Crean or Buzz.

And what have Buzz's teams done better in close, late-game situations than Crean's?  Nothing, imo.

I'll never understand the Buzz worship here.  The team flopped again the NCAA's last season with a late game choke and we'll see what happens the rest of this year.  I'm not defending Crean, either.  He was (literally) one of the biggest jerks on the planet and there could be an incredible thread of Crean stories (I've got a few doozies from someone who worked with him) that would make the biggest Crean haters gasp.  But he did take his team to a final four, even if they got the living crap beat out of them by Kansas once they got there.

I guess I'd vote for Crean, since I can't see one of Buzz's teams ever getting to the final four.



Really? You're blaming Buzz for Lazar stepping on the end line and for Kim English going off? Really?

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 12:48:15 PM »
Both had significantly different jobs at MU.  Crean had to get us from a program that had 1 Sweet 16 in 25 years to a power program...he did that.  Buzz was hired to keep things together, so far he has done that.

Totally different jobs.

I love how you say this all the time, like MU was absolutely horrible when TC came along and was so awful in the decade before.

When TC was hired:

Last time MU was to the sweet 16 - 5 seasons
NCAA Tourney Appearances 4 of the last 7 seasons (although not the last 2)
2 NIT Appearances (including a championship)

When Buzz was hired:
Last time MU was to the sweet 16 - 5 seasons
NCAA Tourney Appearances 5 of the last 7 seasons (3 in a row)
2 NIT Appearances

Obviously, TC left the program better that he found it.  He left a team that nearly anybody could have coached to the tourney and obviously the Final 4 run was better than the Sweet 16 run.  However, you act like MU was a basketball abyss (just as Deane tried to convince the MU faithful as well).

I'm just trying to straighten out the facts.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2010, 12:49:23 PM »
Bottom line:  Crean is a program builder, Buzz will have to be a program sustainer.  Crean did a fine (maybe even a great) job of building the program up to where we wanted it to be.  His job was really finished here (although last year's Seniors would probably have appreciated him seeing them out.)  Buzz is now staked with the job of keeping us in national prominence, and building on the base that Crean built.  Like Chico's said, two different jobs.

I can see I'm not in the minority by being happy to have Buzz here to take us to the next level.
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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2010, 12:52:57 PM »
Mike Deane was a far better game coach than either Crean or Buzz.

And what have Buzz's teams done better in close, late-game situations than Crean's?  Nothing, imo.

I'll never understand the Buzz worship here.  The team flopped again the NCAA's last season with a late game choke and we'll see what happens the rest of this year.  I'm not defending Crean, either.  He was (literally) one of the biggest jerks on the planet and there could be an incredible thread of Crean stories (I've got a few doozies from someone who worked with him) that would make the biggest Crean haters gasp.  But he did take his team to a final four, even if they got the living crap beat out of them by Kansas once they got there.

I guess I'd vote for Crean, since I can't see one of Buzz's teams ever getting to the final four.
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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2010, 01:14:23 PM »

Crean had to get us from a program that had 1 5 Sweet 16's, 3 Elite 8's, 2 FF's, 2NC games, 1 NC in 25 years to a power program...he did that.  Buzz was hired to keep things together, so far he has done that.

Totally different jobs.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2010, 01:32:40 PM »
I think this is true.  An interesting debate is which job is harder.  I think Buzz's job probably will be harder.


That is an interesting debate.  In many cases it is hard to maintain.  Then again, for 25 years we tried to recapture the magic and couldn't, so that alone tells you how hard it is to rebuild as well.

Buzz could become like Mark Few and extend what was already started.  Or what Xavier has done....they have gone through a number of coaches and don't miss a beat.  Or, it could go the other way.

Here's what I love about both Crean and Buzz.  They both work their asses off.  That type of effort usually pays off.  If Buzz can keep that effort up then we will be fine. 

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2010, 01:51:21 PM »
That is an interesting debate.  In many cases it is hard to maintain.  Then again, for 25 years we tried to recapture the magic and couldn't, so that alone tells you how hard it is to rebuild as well.

There are probably plenty of people on this board who know far more about this than I do, but I had the impression that about the time that TC came in, Marquette really increased its level of commitment to the basketball program.  Is that the case?  I'm not saying this to diminish what TC accomplished (I'm still an unapologetic fan -- even if I think the way he left sucks), but it would help explain why TC was able to "recapture the magic" where others failed.  I'll willingly admit that I'm wrong if MU opened the spigots before TC arrived.
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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2010, 02:08:13 PM »
There are probably plenty of people on this board who know far more about this than I do, but I had the impression that about the time that TC came in, Marquette really increased its level of commitment to the basketball program.  Is that the case?  I'm not saying this to diminish what TC accomplished (I'm still an unapologetic fan -- even if I think the way he left sucks), but it would help explain why TC was able to "recapture the magic" where others failed.  I'll willingly admit that I'm wrong if MU opened the spigots before TC arrived.

I think that's a great point that can't be ignored.

I think TC, Father Wild, Wade, Diener, big donors, etc. etc. led to a great MU basketball revival.

KO started it when he was at MU, but some momentum was certainly lost in the Deane years. Crean (and the people mentioned above) helped re-ignite the passion for a lot of fans that had become pretty indifferent about MU hoops.

Also, media coverage, new conference, more clothing available (you can actually find MU stuff now), shoe contract, etc. etc. all helped.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2010, 02:09:28 PM »
That is an interesting debate.  In many cases it is hard to maintain.  Then again, for 25 years we tried to recapture the magic and couldn't, so that alone tells you how hard it is to rebuild as well.

Buzz could become like Mark Few and extend what was already started.  Or what Xavier has done....they have gone through a number of coaches and don't miss a beat.  Or, it could go the other way.

Here's what I love about both Crean and Buzz.  They both work their asses off.  That type of effort usually pays off.  If Buzz can keep that effort up then we will be fine. 
I think KO had recaptured some of the magic so I think that's a little bit of an exageration there but I agree on your second point.  Obviously Mike Deane couldn't continue what KO had started.  I wonder what MU would be like now if they had hired TC or a similar up and coming coach after KO had left.

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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2010, 02:20:07 PM »
Crean (and the people mentioned above) helped re-ignite the passion for a lot of fans that had become pretty indifferent about MU hoops.

This describes me perfectly.  I was a season ticket holder at MU.  My senior year, I was one of a group of people who were first in line to buy season tickets -- leaning against the door of the athletic department's office when they opened that morning  (back when our seats were assigned, so our seats were set based upon where we were in line to buy tickets, and not how early we got to games -- and our seats weren't very good compared to the student seats now).

After I moved to Cleveland, I was still a fan, but was getting more and more indifferent by the year.  MU was almost never on TV and was very rarely ranked.  So, no ESPN highlights, no game summaries in the newspaper, etc.  Also, obviously, the internet hadn't blown up like it has since.

I will always appreciate Crean (and Wade, Diener, Wilde, etc.) for resurrecting the program.  Now they are in the BEast, frequently on TV (or at least on ESPN 360), have been ranked quite a bit and are generally a legitimate high-major program.  As silly as it may seem to some people, there are very few "hobbies" or interests that I have that I enjoy more than following Marquette basketball.

Edited to add:  Notwithstanding the above, I didn't even hesitate to vote for Buzz in the poll.  He's doing a great job, and I'm optimistic that he's going to get better with experience.
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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2010, 02:27:06 PM »
I love how you say this all the time, like MU was absolutely horrible when TC came along and was so awful in the decade before.

When TC was hired:

Last time MU was to the sweet 16 - 5 seasons
NCAA Tourney Appearances 4 of the last 7 seasons (although not the last 2)
2 NIT Appearances (including a championship)

When Buzz was hired:
Last time MU was to the sweet 16 - 5 seasons
NCAA Tourney Appearances 5 of the last 7 seasons (3 in a row)
2 NIT Appearances

Obviously, TC left the program better that he found it.  He left a team that nearly anybody could have coached to the tourney and obviously the Final 4 run was better than the Sweet 16 run.  However, you act like MU was a basketball abyss (just as Deane tried to convince the MU faithful as well).

I'm just trying to straighten out the facts.

I don't think anything I said was not factual.  You're reading into something I never said.  I didn't say we were in the abyss, but we weren't that good either. 

The fact of the matter was, in the last 20+ years we had ONE Sweet 16.  It was a one-off year.  We didn't win the NIT championship either, or was that NIT Championship appearance that you meant?

We were a losing team when he took over.  In a decent, but not great conference.  Recruiting had fallen off considerably.  It was not in the abyss, but it certainly wasn't big time either.

We are monumentally better now than we were in 1999.  That was my point, sorry if you inferred that as in the abyss.  The bigger concern I had is that the one shining moment we had in the 1990's was the Sweet 16 and the coach left about 3 seconds after the final horn went off.  We then went to two more NCAAs, one taking a miracle conf. tourney run to get there.  No, we weren't in the abyss but we certainly weren't a nationally perceived program.IMO

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2010, 02:31:18 PM »
I think KO had recaptured some of the magic so I think that's a little bit of an exageration there but I agree on your second point.  Obviously Mike Deane couldn't continue what KO had started.  I wonder what MU would be like now if they had hired TC or a similar up and coming coach after KO had left.

He did, of course, but then it went away 4 seconds later when he left.  That was the problem, we acted like a stepping stone school.  We'd make a break through and boom, bye bye coach all while he trashed us on the way out.

4 years later, we were a NIT team....one year after that, we had a losing record and attendance was below 10,000 a game.

For all the bitching of Crean, the single most important thing he did for Marquette, in my opinion...WAS TO STAY.  He didn't bolt too quickly, he provided some stability and showed that MU wasn't like it always was.  Now, I know he we looking at other jobs and we paid him a crapload of money to stay, don't get me wrong.  But to have him pop up for job after job after job and he stayed, that did WONDERS for Marquette's image.

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2010, 03:15:15 PM »
This describes me perfectly.  I was a season ticket holder at MU.  My senior year, I was one of a group of people who were first in line to buy season tickets -- leaning against the door of the athletic department's office when they opened that morning  (back when our seats were assigned, so our seats were set based upon where we were in line to buy tickets, and not how early we got to games -- and our seats weren't very good compared to the student seats now).

After I moved to Cleveland, I was still a fan, but was getting more and more indifferent by the year.  MU was almost never on TV and was very rarely ranked.  So, no ESPN highlights, no game summaries in the newspaper, etc.  Also, obviously, the internet hadn't blown up like it has since.

I will always appreciate Crean (and Wade, Diener, Wilde, etc.) for resurrecting the program.  Now they are in the BEast, frequently on TV (or at least on ESPN 360), have been ranked quite a bit and are generally a legitimate high-major program.  As silly as it may seem to some people, there are very few "hobbies" or interests that I have that I enjoy more than following Marquette basketball.

Edited to add:  Notwithstanding the above, I didn't even hesitate to vote for Buzz in the poll.  He's doing a great job, and I'm optimistic that he's going to get better with experience.

Agree 100%.

My frosh. year, MU hoops wasn't relevant on campus. At all. It was bad. I know people love that NIT run in 1998, but in the fall of 1998, nobody gave a crap about it, or MU hoops.

Soph. year, the team wasn't much better, but there was at least some excitement, and junior year, the team wasn't great, but there was a lot of optimism.

Say what you want about TC, but he was a good promoter for MU and helped raise the profile of the school.

With all of this said, I'm pretty happy with Buzz right now (and voted for him)... but realistically it takes me 3-4 seasons before I can "fall in love" with a coach.

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2010, 03:18:57 PM »
He did, of course, but then it went away 4 seconds later when he left.  That was the problem, we acted like a stepping stone school.  We'd make a break through and boom, bye bye coach all while he trashed us on the way out.

4 years later, we were a NIT team....one year after that, we had a losing record and attendance was below 10,000 a game.

For all the bitching of Crean, the single most important thing he did for Marquette, in my opinion...WAS TO STAY.  He didn't bolt too quickly, he provided some stability and showed that MU wasn't like it always was.  Now, I know he we looking at other jobs and we paid him a crapload of money to stay, don't get me wrong.  But to have him pop up for job after job after job and he stayed, that did WONDERS for Marquette's image.


Jesus, Chicos. You know damn well he tried to leave every year but his personality is so distasteful that NOBODY WANTED HIM OTHER THAN ARKANSAS!!

He begged Illinois to hire him and they probably would have...until they met him. I know this for an iron clad fact. He spoke with the go-betweens and it was all systems go. This was "4 seconds after" the Final Four. Of course, once a couple people at Illinois got a chance to speak with the horse's ass they called it off and hired Bruce Weber. A career assistant. A person they'd rather take a chance on then Mr. Tanning Booth. What sane person wouldn't make the same choice?

Ohio State, Virginia, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. He was begging for these jobs and, as I pointed out at the time, was having media guys like Katz mention him as a candidate. You know this. Why do you keep giving him credit for staying when he had no choice?

Oh...but he was offered by Arkansas. That's proof he "stayed" despite opportunities. If you've ever been to Little Rock, you'd know that anybody would rather spend a year licking ass cracks at Bradford Beach then live there. But kudos to him for turning down the humidity in bumblef*ck Arkansas.

Are you denying he was looking for jobs the minute the first half buzzer went off in New Orleans? If you are, you're just flat out lying. That's what is so confounding. If you have all these "contacts" why do you choose to deny that this prick was looking elsewhere the ENTIRE TIME HE WAS HERE?! He took the first decent job that was offered...as did O'Neill.

It makes me sick to think that this guy was at Marquette as long as he was and is even an issue. He's such a complete dick that it lessens the basktball program that he was a part of it. Every time his name comes up during a broadcast it makes me want to puke. I would rather Marquette be in Conference USA, the Horizon League, an independent...anything, but to see his like again. There is no more disengenuous, self-serving person in all of sports...collegiate or professional. Yet you keep defending him. This is a guy who makes "friends" by sending fan letters! He goes to tanning salons! He was driving a gold Hummer! In a million years, if a guy like that was your neighbor would you want anything to do with him? He'd actually be a good addition to Jersey Shore!

He's an absolute, complete and total tool!!



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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2010, 03:24:00 PM »
Jesus, Chicos. You know damn well he tried to leave every year but his personality is so distasteful that NOBODY WANTED HIM OTHER THAN ARKANSAS!!

He begged Illinois to hire him and they probably would have...until they met him. I know this for an iron clad fact. He spoke with the go-betweens and it was all systems go. This was "4 seconds after" the Final Four. Of course, once a couple people at Illinois got a chance to speak with the horse's ass they called it off and hired Bruce Weber. A career assistant. A person they'd rather take a chance on then Mr. Tanning Booth. What sane person wouldn't make the same choice?

Ohio State, Virginia, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. He was begging for these jobs and, as I pointed out at the time, was having media guys like Katz mention him as a candidate. You know this. Why do you keep giving him credit for staying when he had no choice?

Oh...but he was offered by Arkansas. That's proof he "stayed" despite opportunities. If you've ever been to Little Rock, you'd know that anybody would rather spend a year licking ass cracks at Bradford Beach then live there. But kudos to him for turning down the humidity in bumblef*ck Arkansas.

Are you denying he was looking for jobs the minute the first half buzzer went off in New Orleans? If you are, you're just flat out lying. That's what is so confounding. If you have all these "contacts" why do you choose to deny that this prick was looking elsewhere the ENTIRE TIME HE WAS HERE?! He took the first decent job that was offered...as did O'Neill.

It makes me sick to think that this guy was at Marquette as long as he was and is even an issue. He's such a complete dick that it lessens the basktball program that he was a part of it. Every time his name comes up during a broadcast it makes me want to puke. I would rather Marquette be in Conference USA, the Horizon League, an independent...anything, but to see his like again. There is no more disengenuous, self-serving person in all of sports...collegiate or professional. Yet you keep defending him. This is a guy who makes "friends" by sending fan letters! He goes to tanning salons! He was driving a gold Hummer! In a million years, if a guy like that was your neighbor would you want anything to do with him? He'd actually be a good addition to Jersey Shore!

He's an absolute, complete and total tool!!




So...who did you vote for in the poll?

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« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2010, 03:45:13 PM »
So...who did you vote for in the poll?

well played . . . i just audibly laughed at work (some might say I LOL'ed).

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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2010, 03:46:15 PM »
Jesus, Chicos. You know damn well he tried to leave every year but his personality is so distasteful that NOBODY WANTED HIM OTHER THAN ARKANSAS!!

He begged Illinois to hire him and they probably would have...until they met him. I know this for an iron clad fact. He spoke with the go-betweens and it was all systems go. This was "4 seconds after" the Final Four. Of course, once a couple people at Illinois got a chance to speak with the horse's ass they called it off and hired Bruce Weber. A career assistant. A person they'd rather take a chance on then Mr. Tanning Booth. What sane person wouldn't make the same choice?

Ohio State, Virginia, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. He was begging for these jobs and, as I pointed out at the time, was having media guys like Katz mention him as a candidate. You know this. Why do you keep giving him credit for staying when he had no choice?

Oh...but he was offered by Arkansas. That's proof he "stayed" despite opportunities. If you've ever been to Little Rock, you'd know that anybody would rather spend a year licking ass cracks at Bradford Beach then live there. But kudos to him for turning down the humidity in bumblef*ck Arkansas.

Are you denying he was looking for jobs the minute the first half buzzer went off in New Orleans? If you are, you're just flat out lying. That's what is so confounding. If you have all these "contacts" why do you choose to deny that this prick was looking elsewhere the ENTIRE TIME HE WAS HERE?! He took the first decent job that was offered...as did O'Neill.

It makes me sick to think that this guy was at Marquette as long as he was and is even an issue. He's such a complete dick that it lessens the basktball program that he was a part of it. Every time his name comes up during a broadcast it makes me want to puke. I would rather Marquette be in Conference USA, the Horizon League, an independent...anything, but to see his like again. There is no more disengenuous, self-serving person in all of sports...collegiate or professional. Yet you keep defending him. This is a guy who makes "friends" by sending fan letters! He goes to tanning salons! He was driving a gold Hummer! In a million years, if a guy like that was your neighbor would you want anything to do with him? He'd actually be a good addition to Jersey Shore!

He's an absolute, complete and total tool!!




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Re: Just a poll, not a b*^%$ fight
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »
PRN, I said he tried to leave....but he didn't.  That's the difference.  KO tried to leave and took the first train out of the station to a crap school with basically no basketball tradition.

That's the difference.  TC played the game, which is look around, and get paid for staying.  It's the game that coaches play when they are hot commodities.

MU suffered tremendously from Majerus 3 years (leaving in June), Dukiet 3 years (fired), KO 5 years (leaving for a non-men's basketball school, Deane 5 years (fired).

4 coaches in 16 years is not going to get it done.

But in the end, he didn't leave.  It's like a guy checking out Penthouse Magazine but never cheating on his wife.  It's one thing to flirt, quite another to go all in.  TC didn't leave and that finally stabilized MU.  I also think that's what hurt MU somewhat after the Final Four because everyone thought he would leave and recruits didn't want to come to MU if he wasn't there.

Stability, something MU didn't have for decades.  Badly needed.