NFC North Intelligent, Civilized Discussion 09/10 season

[MU B2002]

Dish....


Any clue on who is getting fired at the Bears presser today?  Turner, Lovie, Both, neither?

[Chili]

Dish....


Any clue on who is getting fired at the Bears presser today?  Turner, Lovie, Both, neither?

Lovie is back next year. I would assume Turner too.

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Lovie is back next year. I would assume Turner too.

Turner is reported as gone.

[NavinRJohnson]

Ron Turner has as much chance of being the Bears' OC next season as I do.

[MU B2002]

Ron Turner has as much chance of being the Bears' OC next season as I do.

I would believe anything with the Bears based on the length of time that John Shoop was employed by the organization.


So  congrats.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

I would believe anything with the Bears based on the length of time that John Shoop was employed by the organization.

Are you saying that John Shoop was a bad OC?

2006 Oakland Raiders (32nd)
2005 Oakland Raiders (21st in NFL)
2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (22nd in NFL)
2002-2003 Chicago Bears (28th in NFL)
2001-2002 Chicago Bears (29th in NFL)
2000-2001 Chicago Bears (26th in NFL)
1999-2000 Chicago Bears (23rd in the NFL)
1997-1998 Carolina Panthers (26th in NFL)
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[MU B2002]

Yikes.  Bad would be an understatement. 
But which is worse, the guys who is that bad at his job, or the 4 different GMs that gave him a job for 11 years.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Turner is reported as gone.

Turner is gone and they are going to promote Marinelli to Def Coord....being reported by the tabloid SunTimes.

[NavinRJohnson]

Turner is gone and they are going to promote Marinelli to Def Coord....being reported by the tabloid SunTimes.

Look out NFC!

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Turner is gone and they are going to promote Marinelli to Def Coord....being reported by the tabloid SunTimes.

Now they are saying Marinelli as DC is not true.

[RawdogDX]

I was wanting lovie to be fired but i'm ok seeing him get another chance with a new OC.
I wasn't' really excited about any of the old coaches who already one candidates out there.  Historically that's not the best way to go.

[MU B2002]

I was wanting lovie to be fired but i'm ok seeing him get another chance with a new OC.
I wasn't' really excited about any of the old coaches who already one candidates out there.  Historically that's not the best way to go.

I would have been excited at the prospect of Shanahan or Cowher(sp).

[RawdogDX]

I would have been excited at the prospect of Shanahan or Cowher(sp).

If you look at the track record of past their prime coaches who have already won a superbowl.  I was excited about the cowher possiblility until i heard him bad mouth the wildcat.  It was just too old school.  Rules have changed, players have changed, i'm worried about old dogs and new tricks.

[JWags85]

If you look at the track record of past their prime coaches who have already won a superbowl.  I was excited about the cowher possiblility until i heard him bad mouth the wildcat.  It was just too old school.  Rules have changed, players have changed, i'm worried about old dogs and new tricks.

Past his prime?  Cowher is 52 and 4 years off a Super Bowl win, I think he is fine.  As far as the wildcat hate, not everyone loves it, and not everyone runs it.  I don't think its any more stupidly old school then Lovie Smith still making idiotic comments about getting off the bus running when he has a Pro Bowl caliber QB and a garbage OL that can't run block.

As a Bears fan, the presser today made me extremely annoyed and angry, not because Lovie and Angelo were given more time, but because of the stupidity and pathetic attitude of Ted Phillips.  Making comments about how no team or coach in the NFL can be consistently good (what?) and consistently reiterating that the team was fine.  Admit the team is flawed at certain positions and talking about improving them!  And Angelo mentioned how they need to draft better, well that is hard when you are trading your only first day pick for an undersized bust of a DE.  I fear the future, despite the promise and excitement I got from Cutler the last 2 weeks.

[Dish]

Sorry, just saw this now. I had heard on Sunday it was a lock that Lovie would be back, and so we saw at that embarrassment of a press conference today. These "changes" are just putting a bow tie on a piece of crap. Same defensive philosophy, new face next season. New offensive coordinator, which I'm sure will be a hot job to go after, with Lovie sitting as a lame duck coach. I'm hearing outside chance of Jim Fassel being looked at. Jeremy Bates rumors are out there. I'd be shocked if it was Martz (according to my Bears guy, he said the same).

This whole "change" was only predicated by the lockout coming next March. I understand it as a business move, saving roughly $20 million makes sense, but as a fan, it made no sense.

NFL is going to look so different soon. Enjoy these playoffs. Teams like the Raiders, Jags, Bills, Titans, Cardinals, Bengals are going to become the NFL version of the Pittsburgh Pirates and KC Royals. Everyone's talking about the lack of a salary cap, but it's the lack of a salary ceiling that is radically going to change the NFL. The model small market NFL franchise is the Pack. While their gross revenues aren't great (and never will be because they play in Green Bay), their net revenues are near the top of the league because they're so well run.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Vikes win again.

They are VERY tough at home.

Not sure what will happen next week.

Realistically, the Vikes can't seem to run the ball well enough to control the game, so it will come down to their defense.

If they can rush Brees, they have a shot. If he has time, he will carve up the Vikes secondary.

[mu_hilltopper]

Viking fan prediction next week:  Vikes lose by 20.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Viking fan prediction next week:  Vikes lose by 20.

I hear ya, New Orleans is super tough at home and looked very sharp yesterday.

It should be entertaining.

[Jay Bee]

I hear ya, New Orleans is super tough at home and looked very sharp yesterday.

It should be entertaining.

  New Orleans didn't look super tough at home when Dallas came to town... can't wait for Miami!!!!  SKOL VIKINGS!

[ChicosBailBonds]

  New Orleans didn't look super tough at home when Dallas came to town... can't wait for Miami!!!!  SKOL VIKINGS!

We had no turnovers against New Orleans a few weeks ago, today we coughed the ball up all over the place.  Turnovers are a killer.  It's that simple.  If you hang on to the ball, you have a great shot at beating New Orleans.

[Jay Bee]

Dallas is upset we 'ran up the score'.. hilarious.  What a bunch of gutless punk a$s losers:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4834737

"Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the Vikings ran up the score, and Brooking agreed.

"I thought it was classless," Brooking said. "I thought it was B.S. Granted, we get paid to stop them, but we had zero timeouts left. I didn't think there was any call for that."

Shiancoe laughed after hearing Brooking's comments. "OK, we apologize. I'm sorry. Better?""

[Moonboots]

Dallas is upset we 'ran up the score'.. hilarious.  What a bunch of gutless punk a$s losers:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4834737

"Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the Vikings ran up the score, and Brooking agreed.

"I thought it was classless," Brooking said. "I thought it was B.S. Granted, we get paid to stop them, but we had zero timeouts left. I didn't think there was any call for that."

Shiancoe laughed after hearing Brooking's comments. "OK, we apologize. I'm sorry. Better?""

Upset? Play some defense.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I didn't see any problem with the score....emotions run high when teams lose....the Vikings are used that many many times in the playoffs over 50 years.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I loved the extra TD.

Everybody in America was high on Dallas last week. The Vikes heard a ton of national media say Dallas would win.

Nice for the players to make a little statement at the end of the game.

They look really good, clearly they deserve to be in the NFC title game.


Now, I know some people will disagree with me, but I say even with a loss to the Saints, the "favre experiment" was worth it. He's clearly giving the Vikings the best chance to win this season.

I know a lot of people think it "superbowl or bust", but I don't think it's that simple or black and white.

Next season, I have no idea who will play QB. Maybe Brady Quinn?

[NavinRJohnson]

I understand what your saying, but I don't see how it can be anything but Super Bowl or bust. Not sure you can call it a failure, but that's why he was brought to MN. Its not as if they were a 4-12 team. They were in the playoffs last year as it was, and brought back almost the same team...actually they improved their roster independent of QB. They won a bunch of regular season games and 1 playoff game at home. This Sunday is what he was brought in for. If they don't go to the Super Bowl, what do they have that makes the 'experiment' worth it? Fact is, by this time next week, whoever loses might as well be Arizona, or Dallas, or Green Bay.

As the NFL has proven time and time again, next year is anything but guaranteed. If they lose Sunday, is there really any appreciable difference between what they accomplished in 2008/09 and 2009/10?