NFC North Intelligent, Civilized Discussion 09/10 season

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This article is exactly why I hate modern sports media.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4767366

Ed Werder might have had 1/2 of this thing written a month ago. If Brett and Chilly were having such problems, I bet the reporters knew about it. They SHOULD have known about it if it was such a problem.

BUT, when the Vikes were winning, it pays to write "Brett Favre is GREAT!" stories... now that they have lost a couple of games, it pays to write "Brett Favre is a problem stories".

It's not really journalism. It's just about selling papers or gaining viewership.

When they were 10-1, nobody dared print a story like this, even though apparently this has been a problem all year.

[NavinRJohnson]

Ed Werder might have had 1/2 of this thing written a month ago. If Brett and Chilly were having such problems, I bet the reporters knew about it. They SHOULD have known about it if it was such a problem.

I guess I would disagree with you...this is being written now because of the events that specific events that have transpired over the last couple days.

Although the two have discussed their recent disagreement -- which became public when Favre resisted Childress' attempts to pull him from Sunday night's loss in Carolina...

At news conferences on Wednesday, Childress and Favre said they had spoken and resolved to move forward. Childress said they had a "good talk" on Monday and Wednesday about their disagreement

These are Favre and Childress' words, not Werders. Perhaps it was known/suspected that there was some tension or differences in philosophy, but until that manifests itself in some way, why would there be any reason for anyone to know about it, let alone write about it?

Also entirely possible, if not probable that Favre has actually taken the step of starting to call more of those audibles (and calling his number instead of 28), against the coach's wishes, where earlier in the year that may not have been the case. Seems to me that would be something to write about, as it seems to be what is/was happening.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I guess I would disagree with you...this is being written now because of the events that specific events that have transpired over the last couple days.

Although the two have discussed their recent disagreement -- which became public when Favre resisted Childress' attempts to pull him from Sunday night's loss in Carolina...

At news conferences on Wednesday, Childress and Favre said they had spoken and resolved to move forward. Childress said they had a "good talk" on Monday and Wednesday about their disagreement

These are Favre and Childress' words, not Werders. Perhaps it was known/suspected that there was some tension or differences in philosophy, but until that manifests itself in some way, why would there be any reason for anyone to know about it, let alone write about it?

Also entirely possible, if not probable that Favre has actually taken the step of starting to call more of those audibles (and calling his number instead of 28), against the coach's wishes, where earlier in the year that may not have been the case. Seems to me that would be something to write about, as it seems to be what is/was happening.

But what about these lines:

"What happened in Carolina and in several other games this season in which Childress considered removing Favre for too often changing running plays into pass attempts has nothing to do with Childress attempting to protect his 40-year-old quarterback from punishment or wanting to replace Favre with a quarterback who offers a different style, sources said."

"According to sources, Favre dislikes that Childress seldom discusses the game plan with him during the week, and does not encourage the quarterback to offer suggestions as to which plays he feels most comfortable calling in certain situations. When Favre changes the play at the line of scrimmage -- using his film study and experience -- Childress bristles, even when the audible Favre calls works perfectly."


So, this has been happening for a while, Childress has had issues with him already, but it's been a non-story until they had a "heated discussion" on the sideline?

I dunno, just seems like lazy reporting. If this was happening all season, why are "sources" just leaking it now? Have the Vikings beat reporters known about this for a while, but held back because writing a negative story about a 10-1 team would draw the ire of the fans? Did ESPN dismiss some reports because it didn't match up with the "feel good" Favre story?

I have a hard time believing that nobody knew about this until now. Every story in the St. Paul paper up until now has been about how Favre always stays late to watch film. Nobody bothered to report that Favre's own film study might not match what the head coach has in mind.

Seems too convenient. When they win, write stories about how Brett stays late. When they lose, write about how Brett doesn't get along with the coach.

WTF.

[Jay Bee]

"Childress bristles"... what does that mean?  Stupid. 

There is nothing different now from preseason week 3... except that 'old man Favre' may be slowing down a bit (still a far better option than Tarvaris or Sage). 

Fingers are easy to point after losing to a weak team.  Oakland winning is a far bigger story.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Hmmm... tough game.

Brett's numbers look good because of the second 1/2 comeback, but he didn't play great. Certainly good, but not great.

The biggest problem tonight was the lack of pass rush (leads to exposure in the secondary) and the poor special teams play. 1 missed Extra point, poor kick coverage, and no impact returns.

When the Vikes were rolling early in the season, defense and special teams were making it much easier for the offense.

[Hards Alumni]

So, the Vikings are who they are every year?

Just checking 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

So, the Vikings are who they are every year?

Just checking 

Actually, they are going to the superbowl.

I have to say that because I'm a Vikings fan, right?

[Hards Alumni]

Actually, they are going to the superbowl.

I have to say that because I'm a Vikings fan, right?

no, I just want you make a concrete decision either way.

[Jay Bee]

Vikings are the consensus pick to win the Super Bowl.

[NavinRJohnson]

The Vikings may not win another game all year.

[Dish]

Adrian Peterson has to be happy not to see Hunter Hillenmeyer again this season. Hillenmeyer has forced 3 fumbles against Peterson.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

no, I just want you make a concrete decision either way.

Well, I LIKE the Vikings... but was/am smart enough to recognize the team's shortcomings.

I would love it if they went to the superbowl, but I just don't see it.

Secondary has too many holes, the offensive line isn't as good as everybody thought, and the defensive line looks 1/2 step slow (I actually think we are watching the defense age before our eyes).

I picked the Colts a while back (not a gutsy pick, I know), but I'll stick with it. This is a QB's league now, and Peyton is a lot better than anybody else. (please note: this doesn't mean I'm now a "colts fan", it just means if I had a gun to my head and had to pick a team, that is who I picked to win)

I have the ability to root for my favorite team (Vikes), yet try to look at the situation objectively... similar to when I fill out a bracket that has MU in it. I WANT to pick MU for the final 4 every year... but I can't do it.

EDIT: Page 9 of this thread illustrates what I said a month back.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15633.200

[Hards Alumni]

Well, I LIKE the Vikings... but was/am smart enough to recognize the team's shortcomings.

I would love it if they went to the superbowl, but I just don't see it.

Secondary has too many holes, the offensive line isn't as good as everybody thought, and the defensive line looks 1/2 step slow (I actually think we are watching the defense age before our eyes).

I picked the Colts a while back (not a gutsy pick, I know), but I'll stick with it. This is a QB's league now, and Peyton is a lot better than anybody else. (please note: this doesn't mean I'm now a "colts fan", it just means if I had a gun to my head and had to pick a team, that is who I picked to win)

I have the ability to root for my favorite team (Vikes), yet try to look at the situation objectively... similar to when I fill out a bracket that has MU in it. I WANT to pick MU for the final 4 every year... but I can't do it.

EDIT: Page 9 of this thread illustrates what I said a month back.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15633.200

hey, you're the one who wanted to rehash this.  Not me.

[ATWizJr]

Vikings are the consensus pick to win the Super Bowl.

Yup, the consensus in Edina!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

hey, you're the one who wanted to rehash this.  Not me.

Fair enough, I just wanted to illustrate again that just because I like the vikes doesn't mean I think they are going to the superbowl.

I think they are a good team that played a weak schedule, and they are in disarray right now.

A home game on Sunday will help. I think they will win.

Not sure what the playoffs hold however. Pass defense is a big issue, and the running game isn't consistent enough to protect the defense.

[MU B2002]

What needs to happen for the Vikings to play the Packers in the first round?  I want to know who to root for this weekend.  As an impartial observer that "hates" both teams, there is something appealing about watching A Rodg throw for about 450 and knock Favre out of the playoffs in the dome.

[Hards Alumni]

What needs to happen for the Vikings to play the Packers in the first round?  I want to know who to root for this weekend.  As an impartial observer that "hates" both teams, there is something appealing about watching A Rodg throw for about 450 and knock Favre out of the playoffs in the dome.

jsonline packers blog has the possibilities.

[GOMU1104]

What needs to happen for the Vikings to play the Packers in the first round?  I want to know who to root for this weekend.  As an impartial observer that "hates" both teams, there is something appealing about watching A Rodg throw for about 450 and knock Favre out of the playoffs in the dome.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/80270892.html


"Here's the most likely scenario in which it would happen:

•The Vikings lose at home to the New York Giants.
•The Packers lose on the road to the Arizona Cardinals.
•The Philadelphia Eagles win on the road against the Dallas Cowboys."

[NavinRJohnson]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/80270892.html


"Here's the most likely scenario in which it would happen:

•The Vikings lose at home to the New York Giants.
•The Packers lose on the road to the Arizona Cardinals.
•The Philadelphia Eagles win on the road against the Dallas Cowboys."

I have to say I see all three of those things as very real possibilities. The Vikings loss is probably the longest shot, but I will be somewhat surprised if they don't get the Giants best effort this weekend.

[NavinRJohnson]

The Vikings loss is probably the longest shot, but I will be somewhat surprised if they don't get the Giants best effort this weekend.

Or not...Boy do the Giants suck.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

#4 has exceeded all of my expectations.

They have some holes on this team, but they will be tough to beat at home.

The speed of the turf and the noise make a big difference to that defensive line.

[IAmMarquette]

Or not...Boy do the Giants suck.

The Giants should be ashamed of themselves. What a pathetic excuse for a football team.

[Jay Bee]

I'm glad Brett's arm didn't fall off like so many said it would.  Incredible numbers.. completion percentage, yard per attempt, +26 TDs (33) over INTs (7), 107.2 passer rating... I think all tops in his career.  Amazing.  Obviously it helps when you're with such a stellar franchise.

The Pro Bowl itself is a joke (all 'all star' games are), but I feel great about nine Vikings being named to the roster.  

In the playoffs, anything goes.. losing in the divisional championship would blow.. losing to GB in either round would be physically painful.. but I wouldn't be surprised at anything in the NFC.  We've got a very good chance.  Last year entering the playoffs I felt terrible and was thinking we had no chance.. this year, sky's the limit.

I hope Antoine can play (well).  The Brinkleys, Sanfords, Sapps, A. Allens need to come through... and we'll be fine.  

Erin Rodgers is a helluva QB and Green Bay looks flat out dangerous.  I don't like that.  

[muwarrior87]

Yup, the consensus in Edina!

cake eaters.

[Moonboots]

I'm glad Brett's arm didn't fall off like so many said it would.  Incredible numbers.. completion percentage, yard per attempt, +26 TDs (33) over INTs (7), 107.2 passer rating... I think all tops in his career.  Amazing.  Obviously it helps when you're with such a stellar franchise.

The Pro Bowl itself is a joke (all 'all star' games are), but I feel great about nine Vikings being named to the roster.  

In the playoffs, anything goes.. losing in the divisional championship would blow.. losing to GB in either round would be physically painful.. but I wouldn't be surprised at anything in the NFC.  We've got a very good chance.  Last year entering the playoffs I felt terrible and was thinking we had no chance.. this year, sky's the limit.

I hope Antoine can play (well).  The Brinkleys, Sanfords, Sapps, A. Allens need to come through... and we'll be fine.  

Erin Rodgers is a helluva QB and Green Bay looks flat out dangerous.  I don't like that.  

Must be a special day.  I agree with all of the above.