Bob Knight On Mike & Mike Talks About Mizzou/MU End

[Tugg Speedman]

He thought Tiller should have been called for a charge with 5.5 seconds left.

[VwArrior1]

can anyone get a video off that play so I can check it out? Also the one where butler was thrown out of the way on lyons and1 play.

[ChicosBailBonds]

He thought Tiller should have been called for a charge with 5.5 seconds left.

A charge?  I don't know about that, McNeal got him across the arm.

[NavinRJohnson]

I have not rewatched it, but I also think it looked like a charge (and I yelled as much at the TV (before the call was made)).

[MuMark]

It wasn't a charge. Jerel was still sliding into position when the contact occured.

It was a close but correct call IMO.

[Tugg Speedman]

Here is the last 50 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpnUwzUCGF0

1:12 into is the Tiller/McNeal play

[NavinRJohnson]

Speaking of...anyone else think the officiating in this tournament has been pretty bad? Not that it has been one sided or anything like that, but I just think it has generally been pretty bad and inconsistent within games. I thought the crew in the Washington-Purdue game in particular was just plain terrible. Overall I think the refs have been wayyy more conspicuous than they should be.

[Lennys Tap]

A charge?  I don't know about that, McNeal got him across the arm.

McNeal did not get him across the arm. He came with weakside help and it was either a block or a charge. The ref gets heat whichever way he calls it. But kike him or not, that Knight guy knows a little bit about basketball

[NavinRJohnson]

I think he clearly was in position with his feet down, but he reached out a bit too much with his arms...gonna get that call every time

[ChicosBailBonds]

McNeal did not get him across the arm. He came with weakside help and it was either a block or a charge. The ref gets heat whichever way he calls it. But kike him or not, that Knight guy knows a little bit about basketball

If you watch the replay, he gets him with the body and the upper left arm.  But it's definitely not a charge, total foul.  It was a great pick at the elbow on Matthews as two of our defenders ran into each other.  Nice play, poor adjustment by our guys.

And if you ever had to work for RMK, you would know that many people didn't like him but he does know something about basketball.  In this case, that is a foul on Jerel, no doubt about it.  He's late getting over, the kid is already starting to jump in the air, no way that's a charge.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think he clearly was in position with his feet down, but he reached out a bit too much with his arms...gonna get that call every time

Really?  His feet are moving and his lower body thrusts right into him.  Watch the slow motion replay, I don't think it's even close.  The play broke down when Wes and Lazar got picked off up top by just one guy, talk about a pick that did wonders for them.....one guy taking out two of our defenders.

[LovinCrowder]

Speaking of...anyone else think the officiating in this tournament has been pretty bad? Not that it has been one sided or anything like that, but I just think it has generally been pretty bad and inconsistent within games. I thought the crew in the Washington-Purdue game in particular was just plain terrible. Overall I think the refs have been wayyy more conspicuous than they should be.

I think the officiating hasn't been very good and pretty inconsistent this entire year.   Not just for Marquette, but for a lot of games I've watched this year.     

[ErickJD08]

Speaking of...anyone else think the officiating in this tournament has been pretty bad? Not that it has been one sided or anything like that, but I just think it has generally been pretty bad and inconsistent within games. I thought the crew in the Washington-Purdue game in particular was just plain terrible. Overall I think the refs have been wayyy more conspicuous than they should be.

Yes... Duke/Texas was pretty bad down the stretch as was the IL Western Kentucky even though WK ended up winning.  With the IL/WK, I speak of the out of bounds play that was CLEARLY tipped.  I guess the ref thought a D1 player would just throw the ball out of bounds. 

[Lennys Tap]

If you watch the replay, he gets him with the body and the upper left arm.  But it's definitely not a charge, total foul.  It was a great pick at the elbow on Matthews as two of our defenders ran into each other.  Nice play, poor adjustment by our guys.

And if you ever had to work for RMK, you would know that many people didn't like him but he does know something about basketball.  In this case, that is a foul on Jerel, no doubt about it.  He's late getting over, the kid is already starting to jump in the air, no way that's a charge.

Knight says it's a judgement call that he saw as a charge. You say it's not even a judgement call, DEFINITELY not a charge, aTOTAL foul. NO WAY that's a charge. According to you, Knight evidently doesn't know what a charge is. I would have thought he would at least know a little something about a basic rule. Evidently not.

[mviale]

He thought Tiller should have been called for a charge with 5.5 seconds left.

too close to call - ref should have let it play on and not call a game on Fts

[Murffieus]

Knight says it's a judgement call that he saw as a charge. You say it's not even a judgement call, DEFINITELY not a charge, aTOTAL foul. NO WAY that's a charge. According to you, Knight evidently doesn't know what a charge is. I would have thought he would at least know a little something about a basic rule. Evidently not.

Well Bob Knight had his differences with referees calls over the years-----was he right? ------was he wrong?----who knows.

For what it's worth, I agree with Chicos that it wasn't even close------Tillier got mauled on the finish-----are you sure that Knight called that a charge?

[Rollout-the-Barrel]

Knight did call it a charge, but the context of the question was "What would you do to console Lazar Hayward for stepping over the line?".  Or along those lines.  I think Bob Knight was almost "protecting" Lazar as I'm sure he would have done if it was one of his players.

I really wish it was a charge, but it wasn't.  I can't stop thinking about the last two minutes of the game though.  I know I really should get a life.  Just bothered by the foul shot substitution (which is perfectly legal), no call on Acker shot, poor clock management, ect...

I know MU really lost for other reasons such as being down 16 in first half, missing layups, poor defense, amongst other things already posted.  But, just really thought we had that game when we were up 4.  I would rather lost by us missing a last second shot at the end or lost by double digits.  Last year's 2nd round loss was tougher being a last second shot in OT, but the end to this season is harder for me to take bc I wanted the seniors to get to the sweet sixteen at least once!

[Lighthouse 84]

I've watched it several times.  Jerel seems to leave his feet, which can't happen if it's a charge.  Maybe he does so when he gets knocked into, but to me it looks like he almost jumps as opposed to standing with a lower center of gravity.  Had he done that, he may have drawn the charge call.

[jt92]

Usually in those situations the ref wikll swallow his whistle unless it is a complete mugging.  The end of the UConn Syr 6 OT game was a classic example.  Guys were banging around and they just let them play.  The same was not the case here.  Let them bang around, not saying you could take someone's head off but don't determine this on a foul shots.  Whatever, MU blew it as usual..  For as good as the 3 amigos were they didn't know how to put teams away.

[ecompt]

who got hit harder? Tiller against us? Or Jerel against Nova?

[avid1010]

My problem on that play was with Wes...he just ran into the screen.  MU's pick and roll defense has been solid all year, and he was terrible on that play. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Knight says it's a judgement call that he saw as a charge. You say it's not even a judgement call, DEFINITELY not a charge, aTOTAL foul. NO WAY that's a charge. According to you, Knight evidently doesn't know what a charge is. I would have thought he would at least know a little something about a basic rule. Evidently not.

You should use teal more often.  Watch the replay, how is that not a block?  Jerel is not only moving his feet, he moves his pelvis probably 2 feet INTO Tiller and on top of that hits his left arm for good measure.

It's a foul on Jerel.  Maybe Knight can throw a chair or break a telephone because he doesn't agree.  Or he can do what he did in the office one time when he got mad at a secretary and throw a potted plant against the wall.  What a wonderful human being.

[MR.HAYWARD]

guys please do not argue with Chicos is going to take the devils advocate or passive/agressive approach with every single thing Mu basketball.  We have heard it for 10 months with Buzz and everything this is just the latest...he is like Murph he is going ot see everything thru an anti Mu lens  until the point when Buzz fails he can say he was right all along.  wow nice life. 

[Lennys Tap]

You should use teal more often.  Watch the replay, how is that not a block?  Jerel is not only moving his feet, he moves his pelvis probably 2 feet INTO Tiller and on top of that hits his left arm for good measure.

It's a foul on Jerel.  Maybe Knight can throw a chair or break a telephone because he doesn't agree.  Or he can do what he did in the office one time when he got mad at a secretary and throw a potted plant against the wall.  What a wonderful human being.

I have watched the replay. So has every MU fan in the country. So has Bobby Knight. Some THINK it was a charge. (including that know nothing guy Knight) Some THINK it was a block. Others THINK it was a no call. You KNOW that it was basically a public mugging, including elements of blocking, hacking, and, of all things, serious pelvic thrusting.

Thanks for clearing it up for everyone.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I have watched the replay. So has every MU fan in the country. So has Bobby Knight. Some THINK it was a charge. (including that know nothing guy Knight) Some THINK it was a block. Others THINK it was a no call. You KNOW that it was basically a public mugging, including elements of blocking, hacking, and, of all things, serious pelvic thrusting.

Thanks for clearing it up for everyone.

Well the guy with the whistle in his hands called it a block.  Watching the replay, I don't know how anyone can say McNeal is not only moving his feet but also his body and hits him on the upper left arm.  I just don't see how anyone can say otherwise.  Then again, Bob Knight thinks if you're getting raped you should just sit back and enjoy it (his words, not mine).  Bob is getting up there in age.  The announcers, a former coach by the way, said clearly a block.  The referee said clearly a block.  I don't think the announcers and the referee are bias against MU nor do I think they look at it through gold colored glasses like some are here.

It was a block in my opinion and the man that mattered most, the referee.  Wes got chipped on the pick and that was the key.  It made Jere's rotation late as he slid into Tiller, thus the foul.  Easy call and it was made with same ease.  No hesitation by the ref.  Correct call in my opinion (we're all allowed to have one I think....the ref had his)