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Frozena on Sportscenter!
« on: February 17, 2009, 11:17:13 PM »
Great highlight of Robert's bucket and the bench going nuts after he scored...hope everyone saw it!

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 11:18:19 PM »
Dumb.  They didn't show Butler's ally-oop because they completely missed it during the game.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 11:18:41 PM »
Yep!! Absolutely awesome!  

Bummed that neither alley oop (especially Butler's) made it on the show, but gotta feel good for Rob, especially since it was the enthusiasm of his teammates that made it noteworthy.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 11:22:50 PM »
Yep!! Absolutely awesome!  

Bummed that neither alley oop (especially Butler's) made it on the show, but gotta feel good for Rob, especially since it was the enthusiasm of his teammates that made it noteworthy.

WHY?!?  Did this kid cure cancer?  Is he mentally handicapped?  I have no idea how he sees the court or is even on the team.
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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 11:25:25 PM »
A cricket play was number 4 on the sportscenter top 10.  Jimmy easily could have have the 2 spot if they would have recorded it.

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 11:26:29 PM »
WHY?!?  Did this kid cure cancer?  Is he mentally handicapped?  I have no idea how he sees the court or is even on the team.

Maybe the single dumbest post of the entire year. He's on the team because he's willing to give up 5-7 hours a day and get beat on in practice by bigger, stronger and more talented players.

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 11:32:49 PM »
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Maybe the single dumbest post of the entire year. He's on the team because he's willing to give up 5-7 hours a day and get beat on in practice by bigger, stronger and more talented players.

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 11:36:04 PM »
But I like to throw handfuls...

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 11:39:58 PM »
Yeah, you do realize he's a walk-on don't you?

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 11:41:31 PM »
WHY?!?  Did this kid cure cancer?  Is he mentally handicapped?  I have no idea how he sees the court or is even on the team.

Maybe you can tell me... how do you say "dumb ass comment" in Mandarin?

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 11:42:19 PM »
Maybe the single dumbest post of the entire year. He's on the team because he's willing to give up 5-7 hours a day and get beat on in practice by bigger, stronger and more talented players.

Big Deal... I promise you I can find some kids at the Rec Center willing to give up the time and that are better than him.

(Not to get off topic, but I knew a great player that tried to get on the team in the 2000 season.  He was able to practice with the team but he never got to dress because the other walk on that dressed as a favor to the kid's dad by Crean.  The point is that the Frozena is terrible and I know there were better players out there that tried to walk on unless things have drastically changed since I have been there.)
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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 11:45:09 PM »
unless things have drastically changed since I have been there.

Like a head coach?

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 11:50:38 PM »
Big Deal... I promise you I can find some kids at the Rec Center willing to give up the time and that are better than him.

(Not to get off topic, but I knew a great player that tried to get on the team in the 2000 season.  He was able to practice with the team but he never got to dress because the other walk on that dressed as a favor to the kid's dad by Crean.  The point is that the Frozena is terrible and I know there were better players out there that tried to walk on unless things have drastically changed since I have been there.)

#1.  You've got your facts way screwed up.  The kid Crean did a favor for didn't come in until 2002-03.  MU didn't have any official walk ons in 2000, and the only practice player they had was John Allen who was never as good as he claimed to be.

#2.  Those rec center players may be able to beat Frozena 1 on 1.  But there's very very few people who can actually put up with the coaches and their treatment during an entire season.  99% of Rec Center hotshots don't make it through the first tryout because they don't have the mental fortitude and attitude of a guy like Frozena.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 11:54:48 PM »
Like a head coach?

Also, MU is a decent size school.  I have seen some interesting gym rats.  Not saying you could find your next starter, Frozena is just really bad.

I think I have a bigger problem that when Buzz only trusts 6 players on the team, he decides to play Frozena instead of another player that can use it the PT as a learning experience.  After all, isn't practice time precious?  If we can't find enough practice time for FT's, Buzz should use those situations as practice time.  
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 11:56:40 PM »
Also, MU is a decent size school.  I have seen some interesting gym rats.  Not saying you could find your next starter, Frozena is just really bad.

I think I have a bigger problem that when Buzz only trusts 6 players on the team, he decides to play Frozena instead of another player that can use it the PT as a learning experience.  After all, isn't practice time precious?  If we can't find enough practice time for FT's, Buzz should use those situations as practice time.  
not this again.  He was in there for one minute.  As someone pointed out in another thread when you attacked Frozena, what possible meaningful benefit could a sub get in the last minute of a blow out game?

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2009, 11:57:30 PM »
#1.  You've got your facts way screwed up.  The kid Crean did a favor for didn't come in until 2002-03.  MU didn't have any official walk ons in 2000, and the only practice player they had was John Allen who was never as good as he claimed to be.


He told me otherwise.  I thought he was pretty decent.  At the very least, he was a physical specimen.  
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2009, 11:58:13 PM »
A great moment. We should all hope Frozena stays on for 4 years. The walk-on always has the most heart. Not to say this team lacks any heart. One of the many things I appreciate about TC is his insistence in bringing guys in that have elite "desire". Those are the guys that will maximize their potential.

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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2009, 12:02:57 AM »
not this again.  He was in there for one minute.  As someone pointed out in another thread when you attacked Frozena, what possible meaningful benefit could a sub get in the last minute of a blow out game?

Plenty... Again, this board has made a huge point that team practices are really regulated and every minute of practice can not be wasted.  WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE SITUATIONS?  Do we need to let some walkon play in the hope that he scores a basket.  I could understand if we were a team with a ton of depth with players that didn't need the practice.  There are players on this team that obviously need more practice.   
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2009, 12:06:24 AM »
Have you ever seen a team that is blowing out an opponent set up and run an offense with a minute to go?  Basically they dribble around until there are 10 seconds left on the shot clock and throw one up.

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2009, 12:11:13 AM »
Frozena is pulling a 3.99, too.  I'm very happy for him.  Balancing school and a team sport has to be difficult.

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2009, 12:14:02 AM »
Have you ever seen a team that is blowing out an opponent set up and run an offense with a minute to go?  Basically they dribble around until there are 10 seconds left on the shot clock and throw one up.

Yes... Whats wrong with setting up a play?  No one is going to frown upon that as long as our scrubs are out there.  At the very least send it down to Otule to practice some moves , which they did which was great.  By not calling a play, we had Cubes throwing up a dumb shot.  
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2009, 12:15:19 AM »
Plenty... Again, this board has made a huge point that team practices are really regulated and every minute of practice can not be wasted.  WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE SITUATIONS?  Do we need to let some walkon play in the hope that he scores a basket.  I could understand if we were a team with a ton of depth with players that didn't need the practice.  There are players on this team that obviously need more practice.   

Seriously?  So we shouldn't allow Frozena to play a minute which he deserves, and when our other guys need a break?  Our starters and Jimmy don't need more practice at the end, and really everyone besides Acker played only in the final minutes.  How is that any different?  

Put Frozena in the rec center and judge his competition then.  He's played with amazing guys for two years, so I think he's smart enough to pick up a lot more basketball knowledge and skills.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2009, 12:17:07 AM »
Also, MU is a decent size school.  I have seen some interesting gym rats.  Not saying you could find your next starter, Frozena is just really bad.

I think I have a bigger problem that when Buzz only trusts 6 players on the team, he decides to play Frozena instead of another player that can use it the PT as a learning experience.  After all, isn't practice time precious?  If we can't find enough practice time for FT's, Buzz should use those situations as practice time.  
What are you talking about?  The lineup in the last minute was Frozena, Acker, Cubillan, Fulce, and Otule.  Four players got that minute as PT, like you're suggesting.  I suppose Hazel could have been out there instead of Frozena, but maybe Buzz was confused and thought that Pat was already in the game when he saw Hazell's jersey.

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2009, 12:25:53 AM »
Seriously?  So we shouldn't allow Frozena to play a minute which he deserves, and when our other guys need a break?  Our starters and Jimmy don't need more practice at the end, and really everyone besides Acker played only in the final minutes.  How is that any different?  

Put Frozena in the rec center and judge his competition then.  He's played with amazing guys for two years, so I think he's smart enough to pick up a lot more basketball knowledge and skills.

... So guys like Fulce and Hazel (didn't play against SF) don't deserve PT?  How does Frozena "deserve" PT?  The question is "Who on the bench might be called upon to put in productive minutes and do they need more practice?"  The only situation that Frozena would be put in a game that was in the balance was if every other player was hurt or fouled out.  Kids go out on the court and Buzz says stuff like "They were clueless".  Those players need more practice.  Even Hazel.   

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2009, 12:29:26 AM »
Well, he did emerge from an "open tryout" last year when we had a couple injuries and were looking to add a walk-on.  Would there be a point to putting someone else on the team this year when Frozena was around last year, knows the players, the players know him (and apparently really love him), he understands what's expected of him?  What benefit does a slightly more talented player bring?  If anything, whatever the walk-on on the #10 team in the country can add to a team requires more brains and more commitment than it does talent.  There are probably only a handful of kids that could do it.  I don't buy it at all that he's interchangeable for half the clowns at the Rec Center.

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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2009, 12:30:29 AM »
... So guys like Fulce and Hazel (didn't play against SF) don't deserve PT?  How does Frozena "deserve" PT?  The question is "Who on the bench might be called upon to put in productive minutes and do they need more practice?"  The only situation that Frozena would be put in a game that was in the balance was if every other player was hurt or fouled out.  Kids go out on the court and Buzz says stuff like "They were clueless".  Those players need more practice.  Even Hazel.   

Players need PT to get better... Ask Jimmy Butler

One minute at the end of a blowout won't make anyone appreciably better. Frozena is the 12th man. The 12th man plays in end-of-blowout situations. At every school. What's your problem?

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2009, 12:32:18 AM »
One minute at the end of a blowout won't make anyone appreciably better. Frozena is the 12th man. The 12th man plays in end-of-blowout situations. At every school. What's your problem?

Most schools play more than 6 1/2 players...
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2009, 12:35:05 AM »
Most schools play more than 6 1/2 players...
you're still complaining about this?  He was playing with the rest of our bench. He didn't take minutes away from anyone.  Acker, Cubes, Fulce, and Otule were out there with him.

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2009, 12:37:29 AM »
... So guys like Fulce and Hazel (didn't play against SF) don't deserve PT?  How does Frozena "deserve" PT?  The question is "Who on the bench might be called upon to put in productive minutes and do they need more practice?"  The only situation that Frozena would be put in a game that was in the balance was if every other player was hurt or fouled out.  Kids go out on the court and Buzz says stuff like "They were clueless".  Those players need more practice.  Even Hazel.   

Players need PT to get better... Ask Jimmy Butler

If you honestly think there was anything for Hazel or any other player besides Frozena to gain by even being out there for the last two minutes, you don't have a clue about college basketball and you clearly weren't paying attention to what was happening on the court.

Frozena hasn't even played 20 minutes total this season.  Hazel already has 3 games where he played more than that this year.

The comment about Pat being clueless had nothing to do with his lack of playing time. 

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Re: Frozena on Sportscenter!
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2009, 12:37:45 AM »
I don't think anyone's with you on this one Erick.

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2009, 12:38:11 AM »
Frozena = smart, hard-working, passionate player. Buzz better try to keep him on his staff when he graduates. How awesome would that be???

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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2009, 12:42:18 AM »
I don't think anyone's with you on this one Erick.

Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 
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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2009, 12:48:04 AM »
Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 

Again, Hazel's cluelessness has nothing to do with how much playing time he got.  Hazel was a clueless player in HS, he was a clueless player in AAU, and he's clueless at MU.  Some guys are just athletes and don't have a basketball brain.  Hazel is one of those guys, and no amount of PT is going to change that, especially PT that comes with under 1 minute left when you can barely call what's going on basketball.

Watch some other games, try to find a coach that actually coaches til the buzzer when his team is blowing out the other team with less than 1:30 to play.  It doesn't exist.  Coaches aren't going to do it and risk getting alienated in the coaching fraternity. 
 

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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2009, 12:53:25 AM »
Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 


What do you mean by "coach to the final buzzer"?

-Looking for a set play during garbage time for the reserves? First, you're not gonna get it with Buzz's offense. Second, what good would such a play do for the backups if they'd never see it at any other point during the game?

-Or are you making a comment on Cubillan's poor shot selection? Well, it was a decent look within the offense, under 10seconds or not. Cooby certainly isn't the only Marquette player prone to poor shot selection from time to time. I'd say the fact that Buzz was in Cooby's grill following that shot is a pretty good indicator of "coaching to (and beyond) the final buzzer."

Seems you're grasping at straws in this case.

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2009, 01:42:42 AM »
Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 

Given the first part of that sentence, I fixed the second part for you.

I don't see any reason why Frozena getting a bucket underneath somehow precludes that Buzz "didn't coach to the final buzzer."

IAmMarquette already pointed out Buzz's treatment of Cubillan for the poor shot selection at the end.

I just don't see the need to bash Buzz (or Rob) on what is a pretty unique situation.  We all know 99% of the people at this school aren't here because of basketball or carrying a sports-related scholarship along with them.  Rob is one of those people.  He lived in O'Donnell last year.  He worked his behind off to beat out a bunch of other people trying to make the team, and not only did he make it, but he stuck on it.  Now he gets a field goal, and his (nationally renowned all-star) teammates are excited enough for him on the bench that he gets a spot on the most watched sports highlight show on TV.  I'm failing to see what's NOT cool about this scenario. 

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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2009, 02:25:21 AM »
Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 

I am pretty sure you have convinced everyone on here that all you are is a douche.  Are you seriously still bitching about something like this.

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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2009, 05:48:27 AM »
Its about the team and team only.  Not what one poster believes how one minute of playing time will increase his productivity.  Its about the team.  If you saw the game and the highlights of ESPN's Sportscenter, the players and coaches, all of them, whether starters, scrubs, injured, redshirted, were thrilled that the kid scored a basket. The Bradley Center was thrilled.  The team loves this guy and thats what matters. Play him more when team is up by 15 or so with 60 seconds to go. 

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2009, 08:00:04 AM »
erick, you got cut from high school basketball...right?

Thanks for turning a fun post about Frozena into an erick bashing.  No I did not use teal font. I truly enjoyed everyone bashing you for bashing the walk-on.

You have over 300 posts, but you lost a lot of credibility today.

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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2009, 08:08:59 AM »
People who rip the walk-on? Douches.

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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2009, 08:59:39 AM »
People who rip the walk-on? Douches.


I bet he hates how the kid purposely missed the technical free throws during the Milwaukee Madison game too.  He could have been practicing his form.

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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2009, 09:09:53 AM »
ErickJD08... I am assuming you didn't play college basketball... I am also assuming you didn't play high school basketball..

Yeah, youve got your And 1 ballers playing pickup games, and they look great, you put them in a free flowing offense, and they struggle... they are uncoachable, that is why they are gym rats....

Division 1 Teams don't miss out on players... if you can play, a college will find you.  Frozena gets minutes because I can guarantee that he busts his butt in practice, knowing that what he is doing is helping someone like McNeal become the player he is.  He gets in, scores a bucket, what is your problem with that... would rather see OTule or Fulce get the bucket?  Why? Why is Frozena to be shunned upon where are other players who I doubt are much better then Robert should get to play.


Hey buddy... before you bash a kid for doing everything right, getting amazing grades, never missing practice, helping out the team in any shape or form... Why don't you look at yourself and ask yourself "could I walk-on to a D1 program... could I even attempt to walk on to a D3 college"  College athletics takes a lot out of a person, plus going to school to get a degree.

Bravo to Frozena, all heart, that is what you want in a walk-on... not a hot shot
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2009, 09:22:39 AM »
Big Deal... I promise you I can find some kids at the Rec Center willing to give up the time and that are better than him.


Here is what coaches want from walk-ons...

1. Be a decent basketball player
2. Work your ass off in practice
3. Have a good attitude...know your role and embrace it
4. Don't cause problems either in the classroom or out on the town

Read this article:

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20090208/APC0201/902080541/1015/APC0205

Basically it says that he hustles, he's very smart, a great teammate, and understands his place.  And Frozena isn't some dork who's never picked up a ball.  He averaged 22+ points a game as a senior.

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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2009, 09:48:50 AM »
Wow. ErickJD, I can't believe this bothers you so much. Frozena's the Human Victory Cigar. Putting him in means we've won big.

Obviously you weren't at the game either. Lazar tapped Buzz on the shoulder and told him to put in Rob. Buzz did, and the place went nuts. The entire bench stood up for the entire time that Frozena was in, and they went insane when he scored. Wes literally ran onto the court.

The fact is, the kid puts up with all the practice and lifting and rules and coaches just like every other player....without a scholarship. He's busting his ass because he obviously loves the game. I don't see why it hurts so much to give Rob a minute of PT when we're up by like 15.

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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2009, 09:53:32 AM »
WHY?!?  Did this kid cure cancer?  Is he mentally handicapped?  I have no idea how he sees the court or is even on the team.

You are an pretty boy.*

*I didn't originally say "pretty boy." Apparently there was an auto-edit, because I called you something much less nice. Let's just say I said, "You're a jerk" and leave it at that. 
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2009, 09:54:56 AM »
Unbelieveable thread. I can't believe there a guy on here ripping Frozena.

First off, Rob is a good basketball player. He average 24 points a game his senior year of high school and was a 3-time All-Conference Selection (Thanks, MUWiki). I seriously doubt that many of the guys at the Rec Center can boast those accomplishments.

In terms of getting in over Hazel ... Well, maybe he deserved too. We don't know what happens at practice, but maybe Frozena works harder and simply prepares better than Hazel. If so, I'm glad that Rob played over Hazel. In a recent article on Frozena, Buzz stated that Rob is the most prepare player on the team when comes to executing a game plan.

BTW - What the hell is going on here at Scoop. There one guy ripping a walk-on and another ripping Rosiak (one of the best sources of info when comes to MU basketball). Totally bizarre ... Can we just go back to the threads ripping Crean. ;D
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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2009, 10:33:20 AM »
+2

+3.

There's a jackass in his avatar for a reason.

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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2009, 10:47:40 AM »

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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2009, 10:49:55 AM »
Big Deal... I promise you I can find some kids at the Rec Center willing to give up the time and that are better than him.

If they were that much better than he was, they would have beaten him at the open tryouts they seem to hold every fall at the Al looking for that diamond in the rough, or at least someone who will go balls-out in practice against the starters.
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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2009, 11:04:00 AM »
+3.

There's a jackass in his avatar for a reason.

+4

for what any walk-on does and takes for the team, a few second cameo every now and again (hopefully more than that) is a small price to pay.
the kid hitting a layup, making sportscenter, and being mobbed by his teammates are memories anyone deserves...
good for fro-zone.

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« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2009, 11:23:29 AM »
Like I give a rat's ass... I am not a jerk.  I love walkon stories.  My point is that I think that Buzz should have his team play hard and he should coach to the final buzzer.  If he says players are clueless and he hopes more players will contribute like Butler, he needs to let them practice/play. 

You know what Buzz should have done? He should have had all of the starters out there taking charges and dunking in traffic. Hopefully then we could get a couple of sprained ankles and torn ACLs.
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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2009, 04:28:57 PM »
First off, the fact that there's someone ripping on Frozena is just ridiculous. He's clearly a crowd favorite, and if you know ANYTHING about the team or any of the players personally, you would know that Rob is a favorite. He gives up countless hours of his time where he could be doing much better things that would pay off more for him, but no, he sacrificies his time for the benefit of the team. He gives up his time for what, 1 minute of playing time against Seton Hall? Get of the guys back, hes a great player, and in regard to finding someone at the rec who could play better, id love to see it, maybe you could play rob 1-1. he'd dunk all over your ass, yes he can dunk. Get your facts right, get a life, and leave the guy alone. 

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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2009, 04:41:38 PM »
Straight from the coach himself in regards to Frozena. "He's the absolute best teammate that puts on a Marquette uniform," Golden Eagles first-year coach Buzz Williams said. "He'll have a place here as long as he wants to be here." I think that best represents why he's on the team... idiot, why dont you rip wade while your at it. I can go on the frozena argument all day long buddy, keep your ignorant comments coming

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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2009, 04:42:04 PM »
First off, the fact that there's someone ripping on Frozena is just ridiculous. He's clearly a crowd favorite, and if you know ANYTHING about the team or any of the players personally, you would know that Rob is a favorite. He gives up countless hours of his time where he could be doing much better things that would pay off more for him, but no, he sacrificies his time for the benefit of the team. He gives up his time for what, 1 minute of playing time against Seton Hall? Get of the guys back, hes a great player, and in regard to finding someone at the rec who could play better, id love to see it, maybe you could play rob 1-1. he'd dunk all over your ass, yes he can dunk. Get your facts right, get a life, and leave the guy alone. 

Frozena can dunk!?!

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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2009, 04:56:30 PM »
I love Frozena and respect all of the hard-work that he puts into the team, but I sure as hell would give everything up for the chance to be in his shoes and be able to put in that hardwork - assuming I was good enough - which I am not.

A lot of college kids would KILL to be in his shoes and to play with the team and travel and buddy around with the players we all look up to. Frozena gets the best seat in the house watching players we love - dont cry over his hard work (playing the game he loves) too much.

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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2009, 04:58:50 PM »
I can't stand Frozena and how the crowd worships him.  Honestly, can we cut him and sign another big man for next year?

We do not need scrawny little boys in a man's league.

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« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2009, 04:58:58 PM »
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/39759662.html?c=y&index=11&page=0

This says it all.  It about the team.  PERIOD.

That picture is my new background.  What a great team we have this year. I was pulling for him when he was shooting the free throws against St. Johns.  I felt sick after he missed the second one.  Somehow this thread made me feel even worse.  Some people need to get a life.

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« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2009, 05:15:25 PM »
At least ripping on Frozen-A lets people stop ripping on James, McNeal, Cuby, Acker and Burke for a little while. 

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« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2009, 05:20:43 PM »
I can't stand Frozena and how the crowd worships him.  Honestly, can we cut him and sign another big man for next year?

We do not need scrawny little boys in a man's league.

Wow you are moron, obviously if we could get a big man, we would. Rob is taking nothing away from the team. He doesn't even have a scholarship, so your argument doesn't really make sense. Study up on the basketball team and then come back.

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« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2009, 05:29:57 PM »
I can't stand Frozena and how the crowd worships him.  Honestly, can we cut him and sign another big man for next year?

We do not need scrawny little boys in a man's league.

I can't understand how people can't like him.  As stated multiple teams before in this thread, he busts his ass to help our guys and his role?  To sit on the bench and be the best supporter of the guys and I think he does a damn good job.  Like the last poster said, he's not a scholarship player, so I respect every effort he has given, and I think he should get a chance to play the final minute.  The guys love him, the fans love him.  This isn't professional basketball where guys make millions, while it is still very serious there is a fun aspect to it.  Most of these guys are kids more or less so I think having fun is important.

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« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2009, 05:52:29 PM »
I can't stand Frozena and how the crowd worships him.  Honestly, can we cut him and sign another big man for next year?

We do not need scrawny little boys in a man's league.

2nd dumbest post ever. I hope you meant to use teal font...otherwise you're a moron just like Erick. GOTTA LOVE THE WALK ONS!! BTW...Ol' Robbie's playing with Trevor's scholarship this season...and it's well earned!

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« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2009, 07:09:41 PM »
Wow you are moron, obviously if we could get a big man, we would. Rob is taking nothing away from the team. He doesn't even have a scholarship, so your argument doesn't really make sense. Study up on the basketball team and then come back.

I am sure the reason a 5 star big man hasn't signed with us is that he is jealous of the attention Rob is getting.

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« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2009, 07:16:13 PM »
I leave the boards for about 16 hours and find this bash session... Let me make myself clear.

Frozena is great.  He accomplished things in basketball I wish I did.  Its awesome.  I am really happy for him.  I just HATE our bench situation.  Any time our bench (players who we will possibly need to contribute valuable minutes) can get PT, I think they should get them because our bench needs more practice, even if its a minute.  That is all I was saying.

To MUSCOOPERS== I never intended to bash the kid.  Saying he is not our best player, is just pointing out the obvious.  I am sure he is a hard worker.  Lets stick to the points and lets not get classless with the comments.  There is no reason to get personal on the board. 
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« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2009, 07:32:42 PM »
Says the guy who said "Frozena is awful"

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« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2009, 09:01:11 PM »
I leave the boards for about 16 hours and find this bash session... Let me make myself clear.

Frozena is great.  He accomplished things in basketball I wish I did.  Its awesome.  I am really happy for him.  I just HATE our bench situation.  Any time our bench (players who we will possibly need to contribute valuable minutes) can get PT, I think they should get them because our bench needs more practice, even if its a minute.  That is all I was saying.

To MUSCOOPERS== I never intended to bash the kid.  Saying he is not our best player, is just pointing out the obvious.  I am sure he is a hard worker.  Lets stick to the points and lets not get classless with the comments.  There is no reason to get personal on the board. 

Really? Didn't intend to bash him? No need to get personal?

WHY?!?  Did this kid cure cancer?  Is he mentally handicapped?  I have no idea how he sees the court or is even on the team.

Ouch. Talk about bashing the kid, getting personal. What did he do to you? Let me ask YOU a question- has ANY player cured cancer? are ANY of our players mentally handicapped? Then why do you see people cheer when they score big buckets?

The kid never sees gametime, and sees even less shots. Let the team get excited when he makes a bucket

Most schools play more than 6 1/2 players...

Again, ouch... calling him 1/2 a player. For a second I thought I was watching Hoosiers. Bad taste man.

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« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2009, 09:15:31 PM »
I think it's quite clear that throwing some of our more inexperienced bench players into games we're barely winning until halfway through the second half is a surefire way to screw things up.  I wish our bench had more depth and experience, but the injuries cost us a lot of learning and in-game time.  I think Buzz knows what he's doing.  I think we're getting along fine for our bench play, and come tournament time our guys will be hungry.

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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2009, 09:29:53 PM »
Ouch. Talk about bashing the kid, getting personal. What did he do to you? Let me ask YOU a question- has ANY player cured cancer? are ANY of our players mentally handicapped? Then why do you see people cheer when they score big buckets?

Again, ouch... calling him 1/2 a player. For a second I thought I was watching Hoosiers. Bad taste man.

Cancer thing (a joke) mentally handicapped (again, joke a la those HS kids who go in and score and the crowd goes wild).  Didn't know the board was this sensitive.  Again, I think our bench needs all the PT it can get... THAT'S ALL.

As for the 1/2 player... I was alluding to a quote made by another coach talking about Marquette's rotation.   
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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2009, 10:13:06 PM »

#2.  Those rec center players may be able to beat Frozena 1 on 1.  But there's very very few people who can actually put up with the coaches and their treatment during an entire season.  99% of Rec Center hotshots don't make it through the first tryout because they don't have the mental fortitude and attitude of a guy like Frozena.

The Rec Plex is where it is at, not the Rec Center.

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« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2009, 11:19:06 PM »
ErickJD08 and  warrior55 :

I hate seeing posts like this....

Before you post comments like you did,  put yourself in his shoes, reading this garbage.... How do you think he feels reading this stuff?  Here is a kid who has worked so hard and given up a lot to attain a spot on the team - he hasn't demanded anything and has been nothing but a great practice player and supporter and you have the nerve to knock him down??? I've been to every Marquette game this season and he has been nothing but a positive influence on everyone associated with the team.

These are just kids...with feelings....

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« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2009, 11:54:31 PM »
Again, I think our bench needs all the PT it can get... THAT'S ALL.

One minute, at the end of the game, when both teams have their bench guys in, does NOT equal anything that could be considered quality playing time, or quality practice.   

At that point in the game, it's 10 kids on the floor, playing semi-organized street ball.  Our bench can get that kind of "playing time" any time they want. 

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« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2009, 09:20:17 AM »
One minute, at the end of the game, when both teams have their bench guys in, does NOT equal anything that could be considered quality playing time, or quality practice.   

At that point in the game, it's 10 kids on the floor, playing semi-organized street ball.  Our bench can get that kind of "playing time" any time they want. 
On top of this, when Frozena gets into a game it means the rest of the bench has already been cleared.  He was on the floor with 4 other seldom-used bench players.  He didn't take that minute away from anyone.

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« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2009, 09:23:56 AM »
2nd dumbest post ever. I hope you meant to use teal font...otherwise you're a moron just like Erick. GOTTA LOVE THE WALK ONS!! BTW...Ol' Robbie's playing with Trevor's scholarship this season...and it's well earned!
This is why I hate teal on message boards - it becomes a crutch and people can't comprehend even the most obvious sarcasm unless its actually pointed out to them.  I will do that here:

The original poster (warrior55) does not actually think that Robert Frozena's being on the team or not being on the team will in anyway affect whether we can sign another big man for next year's team.

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« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2009, 09:50:29 AM »
Here's the deal with Frozena -- every college basketball team that I've followed has had an "end of the bench" guy who was a crowd favorite (the "human victory cigar" someone called him...I love that term).  He rarely plays, and almost never scores.  There's always a murmur when he enters a game, a bit more noise every time he touches the ball and the crowd cheers wildly if he scores.  It was this way when I was at Marquette, and it's been this way with other teams that I've followed.  Hell, Ohio State's guy has his own website (google "club trillion" -- a very entertaining website) and he's parlayed his position into a minor celebrity status.  This is not unique to Frozena, Buzz or Marquette.  I can't remember the name of the guy when I was there, and it's likely that most of us won't remember Frozena's name in 20 years...but there will be another one just like him.

So, if you think Buzz shouldn't play him because others need the time, you're entitled to that opinion (even though I think most on here will disagree with you).  But, there's no sense being confused why everyone went nuts when he scored.  It's just the natural order of things in college basketball.
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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2009, 10:43:02 AM »
Here's the deal with Frozena -- every college basketball team that I've followed has had an "end of the bench" guy who was a crowd favorite (the "human victory cigar" someone called him...I love that term).  He rarely plays, and almost never scores.  There's always a murmur when he enters a game, a bit more noise every time he touches the ball and the crowd cheers wildly if he scores.  It was this way when I was at Marquette, and it's been this way with other teams that I've followed.  Hell, Ohio State's guy has his own website (google "club trillion" -- a very entertaining website) and he's parlayed his position into a minor celebrity status.  This is not unique to Frozena, Buzz or Marquette.  I can't remember the name of the guy when I was there, and it's likely that most of us won't remember Frozena's name in 20 years...but there will be another one just like him.

So, if you think Buzz shouldn't play him because others need the time, you're entitled to that opinion (even though I think most on here will disagree with you).  But, there's no sense being confused why everyone went nuts when he scored.  It's just the natural order of things in college basketball.

Before Frozena it was Tommy Brice.  We'll always have our "Rudy" to cheer for.  It adds a little flavor to the end of blow-outs :)

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« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2009, 01:37:44 PM »
ErickJD08 and  warrior55 :

I hate seeing posts like this....

Before you post comments like you did,  put yourself in his shoes, reading this garbage.... How do you think he feels reading this stuff?  Here is a kid who has worked so hard and given up a lot to attain a spot on the team - he hasn't demanded anything and has been nothing but a great practice player and supporter and you have the nerve to knock him down??? I've been to every Marquette game this season and he has been nothing but a positive influence on everyone associated with the team.

These are just kids...with feelings....

Do you really think a kid with a 3.99 GPA and a spot on the varsity b-ball team has time to read this board?

If so, I would hope he wouldn't care what a couple of random anonymous losers have to say. Winners don't worry about what losers say. It's the little people who will always try and knock you down.
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