Marquette as The Next Nova - revisited

[Galway Eagle]

who wouldnt., but Galway said Nova had our rankings. Our overall record blew them put of the water

I didn't literally mean they matched our rankings but in a deeper talent pool and considerably more teams I'd argue they matched ours for all intents and purposes.

[lawdog77]

I didn't literally mean they matched our rankings but in a deeper talent pool and considerably more teams I'd argue they matched ours for all intents and purposes.

Yes. That would make them have Marquette level success, correct?

[Galway Eagle]

Yes. That would make them have Marquette level success, correct?

1) no it would mean they surpassed it.

2) Are you saying that if you had the option of those rankings or being 2-4 spots lower but with more final fours & championships, you'd pick the rankings? I invite you to hang the #6 banner that VCU hung 

[bilsu]

To be the next Nova we need Shaka to enough to stay at MU for a longtime.

[lawdog77]

1) no it would mean they surpassed it.

2) Are you saying that if you had the option of those rankings or being 2-4 spots lower but with more final fours & championships, you'd pick the rankings? I invite you to hang the #6 banner that VCU hung

Nova's 2013-4 through 2017-8 years are amazing, high rankings and tourney success. Those overall records were what MU was doing in the early to mid 70's.

Dr. Blackheart can speak for himself, but what I make up about his comment is that people seem to forget how dominant Marquette was.

[Galway Eagle]

Nova's 2013-4 through 2017-8 years are amazing, high rankings and tourney success. Those overall records were what MU was doing in the early to mid 70's.

Dr. Blackheart can speak for himself, but what I make up about his comment is that people seem to forget how dominant Marquette was.

Yeah we had some great records, but without the hardware we don't even get mentioned in the next tier after blue bloods hence my point about march.

Yes people do, agree 100% but nova got it done when it counted 4x that lead them to being counted in that "next tier" under blue bloods forever. We did not, we got too heated vs NC st, told our best player to leave during our best shot, got a crap draw vs IU, and snubbed the better tournament. Saying nova "achieved MU success" is disingenuous to the success we should actually strive to be.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Nova's 2013-4 through 2017-8 years are amazing, high rankings and tourney success. Those overall records were what MU was doing in the early to mid 70's.

Dr. Blackheart can speak for himself, but what I make up about his comment is that people seem to forget how dominant Marquette was.

Exactly. The topic is aspirations. Jay Wright's Nova aspired to be Al's Marquette.  In fact, Al made Ray, Digger, Rollie, Dickie, etc.

[MU82]

Nova had various stretches under Wright:

Years 1-3 - Didn't make the tournament. (Marquette went to the FF during this stretch.)

Years 4-9 - 1 FF, 1 E8, 2 S16, 1 BE title, 2 top-3 finishes, NCAAT every year. (Marquette was decent during this stretch.)

Years 10-12 - No NCAAT wins, BE finishes of 9th, 13th, 7th. (Marquette was going S16-S16-E8 during this stretch - we were the better team, and it wasn't close.)

Years 13-21 - 2 NCAA titles, another FF, another S16, 7 BE titles and 2nd place other 2 years. (Marquette was anywhere from dumpster fire to OK during this stretch, with 0 NCAAT wins.)

So even under Wright, things were cyclical - though his down cycles were brief. Marquette's successful cycles were brief and our dumpster fire lasted too damn long.

Hey, it's unlikely that any Big East team will have a 9-year stretch as good as Wright's was in his final 9 seasons at Villanova. I think we can all agree on that. But 1 or 2 teams will emerge as the Big East standardbears, teams people put in the national conversation year in and year out.

And again I ask, "Why not Marquette?"

[DoctorV]

It is just me or is it a little odd that Coach Wright abruptly retired at the end of last season but is in this studio right away this year without taking some time away?

I get that it's a completely different gig, and sometimes it's just hard to stay away, it just caught me by surprise.

[Judge Smails]

I don't think it's odd. Why not make a few easy bucks to comment on a subject where you're an expert.

[BLWarrior91]

Galway Eagle

With the exception of UCLA, no team won more games in the 70s than the Marquette Warriors.

Two Final Fours and a NC.  That set the bar very high.  Villanova exceeded it but don't dismiss the level of excellence we had achieved.

[Silent Verbal]

It is just me or is it a little odd that Coach Wright abruptly retired at the end of last season but is in this studio right away this year without taking some time away?

I get that it's a completely different gig, and sometimes it's just hard to stay away, it just caught me by surprise.

He's in the studio and I also saw him in a commercial last night during one of the play-in games.  Between his cushy tv gig and endorsements and possibly speaking engagements, I'd bet he's making as much if not more dough than he did as a coach while dealing with way less stress and having more time for family.

I do think Wright will coach again, either in the NBA or at a blue blood that throws $8 million per year at him. 

[MU82]

It doesn't surprise me at all that Wright retired and is happy getting stress-free bucks while staying involved in basketball.

Plenty of people thought that McGuire would coach again, too. And Bill Cowher. And Jeff Van Gundy. And any of us could name several others who were/are younger than Wright and decided they liked their cushy, big-money broadcasting gig.

Could Wright return? I seriously doubt he'd go back to college, but maybe some NBA team would throw so much money at him that he'd want to give it a try. But that hasn't gotten Van Gundy back in the league, so who knows?

Jay Wright is richer than rich, he is secure in his legacy as an all-time great basketball coach, and he now has time to pursue other interests that he probably put off for decades. That's a pretty sweet combination.

[Galway Eagle]

Galway Eagle

With the exception of UCLA, no team won more games in the 70s than the Marquette Warriors.

Two Final Fours and a NC.  That set the bar very high.  Villanova exceeded it but don't dismiss the level of excellence we had achieved.

Didn't dismiss, only gave the credit to Nova that was due. If it came off dismissive I apologize, I was simply arguing that it's dismissive of Novas success under Jay to say it only met ours.