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It's just one data point - All Projo and Nojo Datapoints

Started by 1SE, January 08, 2020, 04:24:12 AM

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muwarrior69

Quote from: 1SE on January 08, 2020, 04:24:12 AM
And it is. They all are. But cumulatively those add up to the overall evaluation. My thought here is to keep a running tally of projo and nojo data points, including game and recruiting results and seasons achievements. As determining what counts as a projo or nojo datapoint this list is totally subjective I'm ecumencially inclusive of suggestions to edit.

























Projo Data Point  Nojo Data Point
Henry Ellenson Commit 10/09/2014  0 NCAA Wins to date (incl w All-American Markus)
W #23 LSU 11/23/15  L H Depaul 01/20/2016
W H #20 Prov 02/10/2016  No Post Season 2016
W @ #7 Creighton 01/21/2017  Blowout L @ Georgetown (14-18 season) 02/11/2017
W H #1 Nova 01/24/2017  Blowout H L Butler 01/31/2018
NCAA appearance 2017  L @ Depaul (11-20 season) 02/24/2018
Blowout W H #13 Seton Hall 01/09/2018  NIT 2018
W H #12 KState 12/01/2018  Blowout L to St. John's 01/01/2019
W H #12 UW 12/08/2018  H L to St. John's 02/05/2019
Blowout W H #14 Buffalo 12/21/2018  H L Creighton 03/03/2019
NCAA appearance 2019  H L Georgetown 03/09/2019
AP Ranking as high as 10 2019  Blowout L to 12 seed Murry St 03/21/2019 in NCAA
Dawson Garcia Commit 11/21/2020 Hausershima 04/15/2019
H W #10 Nova 01/04/2020  H L Providence 01/07/2020
Coaching All-American Markus  2019 BET Title Collapse
Reinhardt Development  Chartouny Miss
Rowsey Development  Burton Transfer
0 Whiff of Scandal  0 T-25 finishes
Winning BE Season 2019  Losing BE Season 2015
Winning BE Season 2017  Losing BE Season 2016
2 NIT Wins  0 BE Regular Season or Tourney Championships
  Wally Ellenson Imbroglio

How is that on Wojo? He did not kick them off the team. They quit!

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 09, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
How is that on Wojo? He did not kick them off the team. They quit!

They quit because Wojo runs a program that doesn't compete well.  Wojo ran them off through his own incompetence. 

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
They quit because Wojo runs a program that doesn't compete well.  Wojo ran them off through his own incompetence.

Yet, they were going to stay if Markus didn't come back. Hmmmm...

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
They quit because Wojo runs a program that doesn't compete well.  Wojo ran them off through his own incompetence.
Doesn't compete well, but were in the Top 10 in the country until Markus got hurt and the Hausers quit on the team. Makes sense.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 09, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
Doesn't compete well, but were in the Top 10 in the country until Markus got hurt and the Hausers quit on the team. Makes sense.

Top 10 Program.....lol

Finish your 6 pack and go to bed.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 09, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
Doesn't compete well, but were in the Top 10 in the country until Markus got hurt and the Hausers quit on the team. Makes sense.
IMO, only Joey quit on the team.  I believe Sam had good ORtgs in 6 of the last 7 games.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 09, 2020, 06:30:48 PM
Doesn't compete well, but were in the Top 10 in the country until Markus got hurt and the Hausers quit on the team. Makes sense.

In fairness, Sam was hurt and Joey hit the freshman wall. It doesn't make your point any less valid, it's just more accurate.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 09, 2020, 05:02:21 PM
Yet, they were going to stay if Markus didn't come back. Hmmmm...

Yep.  I don't blame them.  They are both skilled offensively, and wanted more opportunities to showcase their skills.

Ultimately the Hausers did not believe Wojo could or would reign Markus in.  Markus took the 7th most shots of any college player last year.  He's 2nd in the country in % of shots this year.

Tough spot for really all of Wojo, Markus, Sam and Joey to be in.  They all had valid reasons for their rationale/feelings on the matter.  I do think it is lame AF for those who crap on the Hausers for their decision and suggest they "quit" on the team last year.  I love Markus, but I don't think many offensively skilled players would enjoy playing with him.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 09, 2020, 06:51:21 PM
Yep.  I don't blame them.  They are both skilled offensively, and wanted more opportunities to showcase their skills.

Ultimately the Hausers did not believe Wojo could or would reign Markus in.  Markus took the 7th most shots of any college player last year.  He's 2nd in the country in % of shots this year.

Tough spot for really all of Wojo, Markus, Sam and Joey to be in.  They all had valid reasons for their rationale/feelings on the matter.  I do think it is lame AF for those who crap on the Hausers for their decision and suggest they "quit" on the team last year.  I love Markus, but I don't think many offensively skilled players would enjoy playing with him.

In other words..... It's Markus' team.  A good coach would be able to fix that situation.  I mean, it's not like John Calpari's Kentucky teams where you have 5+ guys vying for the NBA and all wanting the ball. Ohhh Wait.... Calipari makes it work too......

But Wojo.....


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Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 06:35:16 PM
Top 10 Program.....lol

Finish your 6 pack and go to bed.
Holy hell are that dumb or is it an act? 

Never mind. I just got caught up on a lot of threads and the answer is obvious.

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 09, 2020, 06:51:21 PM
Yep.  I don't blame them.  They are both skilled offensively, and wanted more opportunities to showcase their skills.

Ultimately the Hausers did not believe Wojo could or would reign Markus in.  Markus took the 7th most shots of any college player last year.  He's 2nd in the country in % of shots this year.

Tough spot for really all of Wojo, Markus, Sam and Joey to be in.  They all had valid reasons for their rationale/feelings on the matter.  I do think it is lame AF for those who crap on the Hausers for their decision and suggest they "quit" on the team last year.  I love Markus, but I don't think many offensively skilled players would enjoy playing with him.

If either Sam or Joey had the quickness and ball handling skills of some forwards things might have been different. They could have created their own shots more often.

I don't believe the Hausers quit on the team. I believe Sam was hurt and Joey hit the freshman wall.  Sam was more active creating his own shot before the hip got really bad , and Joey was effective from almost any range early in the year, but as his legs went, so did his shot.

I don't begrudge Sam for leaving, as sitting out a year was probably for the best to fully rehab his hip, and Virginia is the perfect fit. Joey on the other hand....

It's all good I guess.... Brendan is starting to come into his own. That might not have happened if Joey was still here, so there's that.