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Started by Lighthouse 84, March 13, 2018, 11:20:23 AM

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lawdog77

Dickie should be asking how did Syracuse get in and not OK St...Syracuse had very few "good" wins.

MerrittsMustache

It's not overly complicated.

Oklahoma has Trae Young. That's how the Sooners got in.

The Selection Committee LOVES Jim Boeheim. That's how Syracuse got in.

Texas is a big-money school. That's how they got in.


Mr. Sand-Knit

So we are arguing which is the tallest midget.  7-10 schools that were really not any good trying to get into a few spots in an expanded tournament. 


Next one:  which major league pitcher with an era over 5.00, is the better one?
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 13, 2018, 12:10:14 PM
It's not overly complicated.

Oklahoma has Trae Young. That's how the Sooners got in.

The Selection Committee LOVES Jim Boeheim. That's how Syracuse got in.

Texas is a big-money school. That's how they got in.

Sad but true. Oklahoma in the dance is a total joke.

wadesworld

Oklahoma State has an RPI if 88. It's that simple.

I know it's fun to talk about who brings in money or who has big name players. But that's not really how it works. OK State wasn't in the first 4 out.

If it was all about money and big names you think St. Boniventure's is playing tonight instead of Notre Dame? In terms of both money and star power, that simply doesn't add up.

BM1090

Oklahoma has a ton of good wins and not many bad losses. They were never in danger.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Bottom line is the committee should bring back the evaluation of the last 10.  Now they say it was discarded to not discount the pre-con. Ok well dont discount the pre-con but a team that is on absolute life support over its last 10 games, as were ou n asu, should have that taken into consideration
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Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 13, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
Bottom line is the committee should bring back the evaluation of the last 10.  Now they say it was discarded to not discount the pre-con. Ok well dont discount the pre-con but a team that is on absolute life support over its last 10 games, as were ou n asu, should have that taken into consideration

Yep.  If you're playing like crap in February and March, you don't belong.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: hagansworld on March 13, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
Oklahoma State has an RPI if 88. It's that simple.

I know it's fun to talk about who brings in money or who has big name players. But that's not really how it works. OK State wasn't in the first 4 out.

If it was all about money and big names you think St. Boniventure's is playing tonight instead of Notre Dame? In terms of both money and star power, that simply doesn't add up.

Very often that's absolutely how it works. The Bonnies have an RPI of 25 (and only got an 11-seed). ND's RPI is 70. Not a great comparison.

USC has an RPI of 34 and Lville is 38...but they're both part of an FBI investigation so they got left out. Not hard to decipher.

RPI isn't as significant a piece to the puzzle anymore but it's still worth noting.

Nukem2

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 13, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
Bottom line is the committee should bring back the evaluation of the last 10.  Now they say it was discarded to not discount the pre-con. Ok well dont discount the pre-con but a team that is on absolute life support over its last 10 games, as were ou n asu, should have that taken into consideration
Agreed.  Seems like an over reliance now on the NC schedule.  Need a middle road here.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Scheduled non-conference poorly. Played 4 sub 300 teams. Also got screwed because Pitt wasn't it's normal self. It sucks but its a similar reason to why we were left out of the NIT two years ago.
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Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 13, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
Bottom line is the committee should bring back the evaluation of the last 10. 
No, they shouldn't. Many team schedules are back loaded because of TV.
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This year didn't make much sense to me. How did Syracuse and Ok get in over OK state. How was Baylor, Notre Dame, and USC, in the first 4 out instead of Marquette?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 13, 2018, 01:26:07 PM
This year didn't make much sense to me. How did Syracuse and Ok get in over OK state. How was Baylor, Notre Dame, and USC, in the first 4 out instead of Marquette?

Honestly, I think the difference between "Last Four Byes" and 2 seeds in the NIT this season was pretty marginal. Very stiff bubble this year. That's why I agree with those who say one more win anywhere would have been enough to get us in.
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Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 13, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
Bottom line is the committee should bring back the evaluation of the last 10.  Now they say it was discarded to not discount the pre-con. Ok well dont discount the pre-con but a team that is on absolute life support over its last 10 games, as were ou n asu, should have that taken into consideration

But it doesn't work that way in any other sport. In the NBA, MLB, and any other league, games in the early season mean just as much as games at the end. And if mid-majors are going to have any chance, then games in November and December have to be as important as February and early March.

I get that Oklahoma finished poorly, but the goal isn't to end well, it's to build a resume worthy of inclusion. They did that with their work earlier in the season.
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wadesworld

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 13, 2018, 12:34:20 PM
Very often that's absolutely how it works. The Bonnies have an RPI of 25 (and only got an 11-seed). ND's RPI is 70. Not a great comparison.

USC has an RPI of 34 and Lville is 38...but they're both part of an FBI investigation so they got left out. Not hard to decipher.

RPI isn't as significant a piece to the puzzle anymore but it's still worth noting.

It's not at all how it works. You can't say RPI doesn't matter as much and then use RPI to show a bad comparison.

Nobody has ever made the NCAA Tournament with an RPI or 74 or worse. Whether that's because the committee looked at their RPI and said "nope, their RPI is too low" or they looked at their resume and said "nope, the resume's not good enough" the fact that they have an RPI air 88 indicates their resume wasn't good enough. That's why they're not dancing, not because Syracuse has a better fan following.

The FBI probe has nothing to do with it either.

The NCAA is going to make their billions of dollars whether ND, Syracuse, Louisville, etc. are in the tournament. People will be watching in TV, the arenas will be packed, etc. It's March Madness.

The selection committee looked at overall body of work and selected the best teams. Really the only bad inclusion was Syracuse. When there's one single team that you can legitimately say, "That's not a good selection," the committee did a pretty good job.

wadesworld

By the way, Syracuse was 19-13 and 9-9 in the ACC 2 years ago and missed the NCAA Tournament.  So no, I don't think Syracuse automatically gets in because they bring in a lot of money.  We have proof that that simply isn't the case.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: hagansworld on March 13, 2018, 02:06:43 PM
It's not at all how it works. You can't say RPI doesn't matter as much and then use RPI to show a bad comparison.

Nobody has ever made the NCAA Tournament with an RPI or 74 or worse. Whether that's because the committee looked at their RPI and said "nope, their RPI is too low" or they looked at their resume and said "nope, the resume's not good enough" the fact that they have an RPI air 88 indicates their resume wasn't good enough. That's why they're not dancing, not because Syracuse has a better fan following.

The FBI probe has nothing to do with it either.

The NCAA is going to make their billions of dollars whether ND, Syracuse, Louisville, etc. are in the tournament. People will be watching in TV, the arenas will be packed, etc. It's March Madness.

The selection committee looked at overall body of work and selected the best teams. Really the only bad inclusion was Syracuse. When there's one single team that you can legitimately say, "That's not a good selection," the committee did a pretty good job.

I haven't mentioned OK State once in my posts. I was saying that big name teams tend to make it over smaller name teams. The fact that you're arguing against that is comical...almost as comical as believing that the FBI probe has nothing to do with USC and Louisville not getting bids.

Quote from: hagansworld on March 13, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
By the way, Syracuse was 19-13 and 9-9 in the ACC 2 years ago and missed the NCAA Tournament.  So no, I don't think Syracuse automatically gets in because they bring in a lot of money.  We have proof that that simply isn't the case.

1) I never said that Syracuse "automatically gets in"

2) Two years ago Syracuse went 19-13 and 9-9 in the ACC and (controversially) made the tourney and went to the Final Four. Good call on that one. You may have been referring to 2014-15 when Cuse went 18-13, 9-9 and didn't get an invite...because they were banned from postseason play.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: hagansworld on March 13, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
By the way, Syracuse was 19-13 and 9-9 in the ACC 2 years ago and missed the NCAA Tournament.  So no, I don't think Syracuse automatically gets in because they bring in a lot of money.  We have proof that that simply isn't the case.

didn't they go to the final four that year?

MomofMUltiples

Just think of it this way:  There were a lot of sh!tty teams and high RPIs that made it into the tournament, and Wisconsin wasn't even in the picture.

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wadesworld

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 13, 2018, 02:31:56 PM
I haven't mentioned OK State once in my posts. I was saying that big name teams tend to make it over smaller name teams. The fact that you're arguing against that is comical...almost as comical as believing that the FBI probe has nothing to do with USC and Louisville not getting bids.

1) I never said that Syracuse "automatically gets in"

2) Two years ago Syracuse went 19-13 and 9-9 in the ACC and (controversially) made the tourney and went to the Final Four. Good call on that one. You may have been referring to 2014-15 when Cuse went 18-13, 9-9 and didn't get an invite...because they were banned from postseason play.

Sorry, meant three years ago.  Didn't remember they were banned for postseason play.  So your theory is that the NCAA punished teams that were listed in the FBI probe (forget that teams like Seton Hall, NC State, etc. were mentioned in it...) and replaced them with...a team that was banned from postseason play 3 years ago and had to forfeit a number of games?  Well, that sure is an interesting theory, I guess.

Sorry, but the facts don't add up with your theory that "big name teams tend to make it over small name teams."  Just look at last year.  Let's continue looking at Syracuse.  Last year they're 19-15, 10-8 in the ACC and miss the Tournament.  The last 4 teams in the Tournament were Providence, USC, Kansas State, and Wake Forrest.  If they went with "big name teams" over "small name teams" you have Syracuse playing in one of those games over the likes of, well, any of those 4 teams.

Same with this year.  Last 4 teams in the field?  UCLA, St. Bonaventure, Arizona State, Syracuse.  First team out is Notre Dame.  So the "big name team" St. Bonaventure snuck in over the "small name team" Notre Dame I guess?  Not buying it.