Reinhardt as leading scorer?

[brandx]

I find it funny that we have people talking about Reinhardt being the leading scorer and others talking about how Duane Wilson won't start/doesn't perform.  For those keeping track at home:

Duane Wilson

2014-15  11.9 pts  35.5% 3 pt
2015-16  11.6 pts  34.6% 3 pt  (while presumably injured)

He also has to outplay Cheatham

2015-16  11.8 pts  38.7% 3 pt  (as a freshman)

Duane has to improve - both individually and as a team player. His shooting, court awareness, and defense all need to get better. If he plays like he did last year, I see no way he will get 20 minutes a game.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I find it funny that we have people talking about Reinhardt being the leading scorer and others talking about how Duane Wilson won't start/doesn't perform.  For those keeping track at home:

Duane Wilson

2014-15  11.9 pts  35.5% 3 pt
2015-16  11.6 pts  34.6% 3 pt  (while presumably injured)

He also has to outplay Cheatham

2015-16  11.8 pts  38.7% 3 pt  (as a freshman)

Reinhardt played on a MUCH better team than Duane or Cheatham did, he's also a superior defender. He also has the benefit of having the best size to defend larger defenders, so he will likely get more run.

[forgetful]

Reinhardt played on a MUCH better team than Duane or Cheatham did, he's also a superior defender. He also has the benefit of having the best size to defend larger defenders, so he will likely get more run.

MUCH better is a bit of a stretch.  USC was 23-10 and 9-9 in conference.  They were better yes, but not by a wide margin. 

He is likely the better defender and can guard larger players, true.  My point is people are under appreciating Duane Wilson and criticizing him, because they expect more.  IF Reinhardt doesn't play like a star they will quickly be attacking him too (see Lockett).

I expect Duane to step up, be much more efficient and a much more solid defender next year.

[bilsu]

Reinhardt played on a MUCH better team than Duane or Cheatham did, he's also a superior defender. He also has the benefit of having the best size to defend larger defenders, so he will likely get more run.

This discussion keeps reminding me of Trent Lockett. If I remember the debate correctly he averaged 14 points a game at Arizona St. in a slower offense than MU. Obviously, he was going to be a big scorer at MU and ended up averaging around 8 pts.

[wadesworld]

This discussion keeps reminding me of Trent Lockett. If I remember the debate correctly he averaged 14 points a game at Arizona St. in a slower offense than MU. Obviously, he was going to be a big scorer at MU and ended up averaging around 8 pts.

And was a huge key to an Elite Eight run.

[GGGG]

I have said in an earlier thread, but I think Scoop has once again judged a player (Duane) against their expectations of him versus the reality.  People expected him to make that next leap.  He didn't.  However he still had a solid season.

Now people are all excited about JJJ because of a few games at the end of the year where he performed above expectations. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

MUCH better is a bit of a stretch.  USC was 23-10 and 9-9 in conference.  They were better yes, but not by a wide margin. 

He is likely the better defender and can guard larger players, true.  My point is people are under appreciating Duane Wilson and criticizing him, because they expect more.  IF Reinhardt doesn't play like a star they will quickly be attacking him too (see Lockett).

I expect Duane to step up, be much more efficient and a much more solid defender next year.

23-10 is much more impressive when you play a tougher schedule and actually make the NCAA tournament.

But your point is well taken. Scoopers are notorious for overinflating expectations and attacking those who fall short. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that based on what we know, Reinhardt is a better player than Duane.

[mu03eng]

Max minutes will go to Cheatham, Fischer, Reinhardt, and JJJ. By max minutes I mean they are physically capable and not in foul trouble. Any other players I think will get minutes based on performance and need. Carter might get 30 one night and 10 the next.

I've learned my lesson with freshmen PG play, I will not make the same mistake with Howard that I did with Carter. Howard looks great and I think he will be a tremendous player for MU over the next 3 or 4 years, but I don't think he will supplant Carter or Rowsey as the go to PG. He'll get minutes and will probably increase them over time but I don't think he averages more than 15 when it's all said and done. Experience really matters at the PG in college and he just doesn't have it yet.

[Dawson Rental]

I find it funny that we have people talking about Reinhardt being the leading scorer and others talking about how Duane Wilson won't start/doesn't perform.  For those keeping track at home:

Duane Wilson

2014-15  11.9 pts  35.5% 3 pt
2015-16  11.6 pts  34.6% 3 pt  (while presumably injured)

He also has to outplay Cheatham

2015-16  11.8 pts  38.7% 3 pt  (as a freshman)

Not to be a stretch four.

[jsglow]

Max minutes will go to Cheatham, Fischer, Reinhardt, and JJJ. By max minutes I mean they are physically capable and not in foul trouble. Any other players I think will get minutes based on performance and need. Carter might get 30 one night and 10 the next.

I've learned my lesson with freshmen PG play, I will not make the same mistake with Howard that I did with Carter. Howard looks great and I think he will be a tremendous player for MU over the next 3 or 4 years, but I don't think he will supplant Carter or Rowsey as the go to PG. He'll get minutes and will probably increase them over time but I don't think he averages more than 15 when it's all said and done. Experience really matters at the PG in college and he just doesn't have it yet.

Exactly how I see it.  Now what's your view on who is 11th and 12th man suggesting 'nominal' minutes and at least 50% DNP-CD during conference?

[GGGG]

Exactly how I see it.  Now what's your view on who is 11th and 12th man suggesting 'nominal' minutes and at least 50% DNP-CD during conference?

Sacar and Hauser.

[jsglow]

That would be my guess too Sultan.  It's not Matt as he have to play the minutes Luke doesn't

[BM1090]

nm

[mu03eng]

Sacar and Hauser.

Agreed with Sandy or Howard being 9th and 10th in some order

[bilsu]

And was a huge key to an Elite Eight run.

True, but what MUScoopers did not take into account was how the MU coach was going to use Lockett. The same may go for Reinhardt. His job may be to rebound and defend the four position and not to score. Having to defend bigger fours may take a toll on his offensive game.

[Dawson Rental]

True, but what MUScoopers did not take into account was how the MU coach was going to use Lockett. The same may go for Reinhardt. His job may be to rebound and defend the four position and not to score. Having to defend bigger fours may take a toll on his offensive game.

Uh-oh.


No too many worse candidates for that role.

[Herman Cain]

True, but what MUScoopers did not take into account was how the MU coach was going to use Lockett. The same may go for Reinhardt. His job may be to rebound and defend the four position and not to score. Having to defend bigger fours may take a toll on his offensive game.

You have a good point. Lockett came in with a lot of fan fare, but  It turned  out that Lockett played the game at a slower pace than the rest of our team that year, so Buzz made him into a glue guy. He turned out to be excellent in that role and without him we probably would not have gone as far as we did.

[forgetful]

Not to be a stretch four.

I was talking about from a scoring perspective, not playing time or positions.