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2013 MLB Thread

Started by GGGG, January 17, 2013, 08:45:05 AM

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g0lden3agle

There are currently 2 possible positions Miggy is playing next year.  Neither is DH.

CTWarrior

Quote from: tower912 on November 22, 2013, 11:20:25 AM
My argument is that with an injured Cabrera, Detroit was a .500 team over the last 6 weeks.   With a healthy Trout, the Angels were a .500 team all year.    With a healthy Cabrera, Detroit was in the running for best record in the league.   
But that's because the other 24 guys on Cabrera's team are way better than the other 24 guys on Trout's team.  There is nothing in those three sentences that is relevant to the topic of whether Cabrera or Trout is the better player.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

jmayer1

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 22, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
He should not have won it last year.  He is not the best overall player, he sucks as a third baseman, can't do anything on the base paths....he's a terrific hitter.  That's only part of the game.  Baseball America named him player of the year again, two straight years...they value the complete package.

It is what it is.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mike-trout-robbed-second-mvp-award-miguel-cabrera-155400421--mlb.html

I was actually saying Trout should have won the last 2. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

brandx

We can debate Trout vs. Miggy and there are stats to support either guy. But if starting a team, Trout would be the 1st pick. Period.

g0lden3agle

Quote from: brandx on November 22, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
We can debate Trout vs. Miggy and there are stats to support either guy. But if starting a team, Trout would be the 1st pick. Period.

I think very few people would disagree with you, even those that voted Miggy as MVP. 

Lennys Tap

Quote from: brandx on November 22, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
We can debate Trout vs. Miggy and there are stats to support either guy. But if starting a team, Trout would be the 1st pick. Period.

Nobody who knows anything about baseball would argue against you.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 22, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Nobody who knows anything about baseball would argue against you.

There would be a fair number of respected GMs who would take a young arm (Kershaw, Fernandez, Bumgarner, etc) over Trout.


MUBurrow

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 22, 2013, 02:07:04 PM
There would be a fair number of respected GMs who would take a young arm (Kershaw, Fernandez, Bumgarner, etc) over Trout.



I think Machado might have gotten a little run before his injury as well.

brandx

Quote from: MUBurrow on November 22, 2013, 02:09:47 PM
I think Machado might have gotten a little run before his injury as well.

Future all-star definitely - and perennial Gold Glover, but I don't think he is in the same class

NYWarrior

#584
Quote from: brandx on November 22, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Future all-star definitely - and perennial Gold Glover, but I don't think he is in the same class

OPS+ of 98 and 99 ... promising for a 20/21 year old but light years behind the figures Trout delivers, to wit

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/happy-22nd-birthday-mike-trout-2/

brandx

Quote from: NYWarrior on November 22, 2013, 02:21:41 PM
OPS+ of 98 and 99 ... promising for a 20/21 year old but light years behind the figures Trout delivers

I do think he develops into a 25 homer guy, though.

MUBurrow

That's probably right. I was just thinking of the concerns re Trout's weight at the beginning of the year and how long he projects as a top flight CF - not to mention the relative beating you can take playing center.  I didn't look at the #s though, didn't realize there was THAT much of a disparity.

MUFC9295

So Alex Rodriguez "crushed it" in his meeting with MLB today regarding PEDS.  If he can be so defiant in the face of what has been p[ut to us (nonspecifically) as overwhelming evidence.  Why does he fight on an Braun just accepted punishment? 

I've felt the Braun was a relatively passive transgressor and took the penalty in a down season in order to get back on the field.  Now, that's a lot of public scrutiny to face and a ruined image, so that's why I say he must have been guilty of something.  But A-Rod is facing much more harsh penalties and sounds confident of beating the rap.

1) Is A-Rod right? 
2) Might Braun have won if he fought on?

Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown

Quote from: MUFC9295 on November 22, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
So Alex Rodriguez "crushed it" in his meeting with MLB today regarding PEDS.  If he can be so defiant in the face of what has been p[ut to us (nonspecifically) as overwhelming evidence.  Why does he fight on an Braun just accepted punishment? 

I've felt the Braun was a relatively passive transgressor and took the penalty in a down season in order to get back on the field.  Now, that's a lot of public scrutiny to face and a ruined image, so that's why I say he must have been guilty of something.  But A-Rod is facing much more harsh penalties and sounds confident of beating the rap.

1) Is A-Rod right? 
2) Might Braun have won if he fought on?
Braun was totally passive.... Except for attacking the MLB urine collector as an anti-Semite and aggressively lying to teammates, the public and business partners.
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