Taylor still seeks release

[ChicosBailBonds]

And, as for Vanderbeeken's issues since you're such a good detective why don't you spend some time searching around and looking for hints from the MU "insiders" who post on these internet forums.

Oh, please. Don't go around tossing out implications about people then lack the uh ... ability ... back it up. You claimed he had issues. I've heard nothing of the sort. Please tell me what they are or admit you don't know anything about it.

As for "good enough" ... Butler was offered by Mississippi State coming out of high school, so this spring signing bit is inaccurate.
Same with Vandebeken, who signed with Iowa out of high school and also was recruited by UCLA, Cal and Oregon State.
Try as you might to portray them otherwise, these guys aren't the scrap heap. Either would be a good get for MU.

I think Coobey meant to say ....the issues...you know....he's a Canuck.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

And, as for Vanderbeeken's issues since you're such a good detective why don't you spend some time searching around and looking for hints from the MU "insiders" who post on these internet forums.

Oh, please. Don't go around tossing out implications about people then lack the uh ... ability ... back it up. You claimed he had issues. I've heard nothing of the sort. Please tell me what they are or admit you don't know anything about it.

As for "good enough" ... Butler was offered by Mississippi State coming out of high school, so this spring signing bit is inaccurate.
Same with Vandebeken, who signed with Iowa out of high school and also was recruited by UCLA, Cal and Oregon State.
Try as you might to portray them otherwise, these guys aren't the scrap heap. Either would be a good get for MU.

I think Coobey meant to say ....the issues...you know....he's a Canuck.

"I moved here from Canada and they think I'm slow cuz I talk funny, eh?"

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

And, as for Vanderbeeken's issues since you're such a good detective why don't you spend some time searching around and looking for hints from the MU "insiders" who post on these internet forums.

Oh, please. Don't go around tossing out implications about people then lack the uh ... ability ... back it up. You claimed he had issues. I've heard nothing of the sort. Please tell me what they are or admit you don't know anything about it.

As for "good enough" ... Butler was offered by Mississippi State coming out of high school, so this spring signing bit is inaccurate.
Same with Vandebeken, who signed with Iowa out of high school and also was recruited by UCLA, Cal and Oregon State.
Try as you might to portray them otherwise, these guys aren't the scrap heap. Either would be a good get for MU.

Ask Mark Miller. He's got a lot more credibility then most when it comes to reporting the truth. He may know something about Vanderbeeken. Maybe not. 

You don't think they're scrap heap and I don't think their stars. Let's meet in the middle and say they could top out at solid role players (Dan Fitzgerald) or bottom out at flunkie (Trend Blackledge -- pretty dunks; not much else).

The spring signing bit isn't inaccurate at all. When will they sign? In April/May. What season are those months? Spring.

[Pakuni]

I think Coobey meant to say ....the issues...you know....he's a Canuck.

Richard Shaw.
Say no more.

[bilsu]

You are all making the assumption that Williams preferred keeping Taylor. Maybe he rather have the two JC guys and he could only get them as a package. I am sure when he was hired he was told the first focus was current players and signed recruits. Assuming we lose no one else and we get Butler and the Vanderbeeken, I do not see that as such a bad outcome.

Two years from now
Seniors
Aker, Culliban, Hayward
Juniors
Mbakwe, Butler, Vanderbeeken, Hazel, Fulcie
Sophomore
Tulie
Freshmen
Williams & 3 others

[77ncaachamps]

Jamie Vanderbeken doesn't look like a player, but does look eerily familiar:

[TJ]

  I say let the guy go, he wouln't play next year and that frees up a spot for a better Gaurd to fill the hole next year.  Also, it would give that player an extra year of eligibility.

This guy is acting like he's a top 10 player. 

Yeah, because it'll be real easy to sign a top 10 point guard for the 09 recruiting class when you have no inroads whatsoever with any players for that class.  He may/will go, but getting a better player is not something I would bet on at this point.

[ecompt]

Bob Hurley doesn't get a crap about his kids, he is an out-and-out pimp. He is, after all, a glorified gym teacher.

[Pakuni]

Yeah, because it'll be real easy to sign a top 10 point guard for the 09 recruiting class when you have no inroads whatsoever with any players for that class.  He may/will go, but getting a better player is not something I would bet on at this point.

Taylor isn't a top 10 point guard.
MU is and has been involved for a long time with a very good 2009 point guard named Johnny Lacy from Bay View HS.
That's no guarantee, but Tyshawn Taylor is not of the quality that will make or break a program. He's a solid, three-star, top-150 recruit. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sheesh, people act like we just lost out on a McDonald's AA. Good player who would contribute? Absolutely. Star player? Very likely no.

[Litehouse]

You are all making the assumption that Williams preferred keeping Taylor. Maybe he rather have the two JC guys and he could only get them as a package. I am sure when he was hired he was told the first focus was current players and signed recruits. Assuming we lose no one else and we get Butler and the Vanderbeeken, I do not see that as such a bad outcome.

I've been thinking the same thing.  It something like that works out, it could actually be better for next year to have some more size to go with the 3 amigos.  And if we have a great year next year, it could help spring board more success going forward.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Good lord....our worst nightmares are coming true.  We better enjoy next season....our run of seasons above .500 may well be coming to an end.  What kind of team are we going to have in two years?  Lazar will need to average 40 ppg as a Senior.

I still can't believe what's happening.

Erik Williams
Joe Fulce
Jimmy Butler (maybe)
Jamie Vanderbeken (Going to Iowa State)

The sky is falling!