Marvel Cinematic Universe

[brewcity77]

I think they've failed to learn the lesson of the Infinity Saga. If you want to build that big event movie, you have to earn it. DC made the same mistake by rushing to Justice League.

IW/Endgame were massive successes because they used Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, & Cap to build to Avengers, then used Avengers, Dark World, GotG, & Ultron to build to the Infinity movies.

Since then, we have properties like Shang Chi, Eternals, Loki, GotG, and Deadpool that barely link to anything else. There are some loose Black Widow/Cap/Thunderbolts, Spidey/Dr Strange, and Marvels connections, but none of those mini-properties connect to each other. Frankly, they haven't earned the right to do an Endgame level movie again.

I actually like many of the new properties (Shang Chi, Ms Marvel, Loki, GotG3, Hawkeye, Far From Home are among the best stuff in the MCU) but they don't feel like a shared universe yet.

I'd rather see a New Avengers, maybe against a returned Red Skull or Dormammu, and build up to Doom/Secret Wars over the next 4-6 years, with a couple team up movies in between that build the story and earn back fan trust.

This just feels like something pre-Gunn DC would do.

[reinko]

I think they've failed to learn the lesson of the Infinity Saga. If you want to build that big event movie, you have to earn it. DC made the same mistake by rushing to Justice League.

IW/Endgame were massive successes because they used Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, & Cap to build to Avengers, then used Avengers, Dark World, GotG, & Ultron to build to the Infinity movies.

Since then, we have properties like Shang Chi, Eternals, Loki, GotG, and Deadpool that barely link to anything else. There are some loose Black Widow/Cap/Thunderbolts, Spidey/Dr Strange, and Marvels connections, but none of those mini-properties connect to each other. Frankly, they haven't earned the right to do an Endgame level movie again.

I actually like many of the new properties (Shang Chi, Ms Marvel, Loki, GotG3, Hawkeye, Far From Home are among the best stuff in the MCU) but they don't feel like a shared universe yet.

I'd rather see a New Avengers, maybe against a returned Red Skull or Dormammu, and build up to Doom/Secret Wars over the next 4-6 years, with a couple team up movies in between that build the story and earn back fan trust.

This just feels like something pre-Gunn DC would do.

I don't disagree, and I'm certainly not carrying water for Mickey Mouse here, but I view it as; yes lazy, yes driven by $$$, but I'd rather give the reigns to Russo and RDJ to get this thing right, and actually reset things (with fingers crossed some great buzz around the new Cap, Thunderbolts, and F4 the next 2 years to get there. 

Did you see the test footage from hall H for F4?  LOOKS AWESOME, Pedro is gonna crush Reed Richards

[PGsHeroes32]

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1818127808196915683

Hard to blame RDJ for returning

Doesn't help the desperation claims tho

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1818127808196915683

Hard to blame RDJ for returning

Doesn't help the desperation claims tho

The Kang Dynasty is officially dead.


D&W was highly entertaining and I loved the more than extended and unexpected cameos. 

[Uncle Rico]

Once the snowflakes catch wind of the reveal at the end of the latest Agatha All Along, look for the usual suspects to start boycotting Disney again

[PGsHeroes32]

Sad to report, the MCU is still in the total ASS phase

BnW was equal parts bad and unnecessary.

[PGsHeroes32]

I'm biased cause I'm a big DD guy.

But finally a property that has me in. Little bummed they went for the shocker early but also get it.

Hope to get my Puny fix soon tho. Not in the first two eps

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Sad to report, the MCU is still in the total ASS phase

BnW was equal parts bad and unnecessary.

I saw over the weekend and am not as negative on it as you.
The Anthony Mackie Cap needed a solo movie before the Avengers movies coming soon and they had to introduce adamantium which must fit in with Wolverine and the upcoming Avenger films.

[PGsHeroes32]

I saw over the weekend and am not as negative on it as you.
The Anthony Mackie Cap needed a solo movie before the Avengers movies coming soon and they had to introduce adamantium which must fit in with Wolverine and the upcoming Avenger films.

I don't disagree with what you're saying on need

Just think the movie was bad in that the overall plot was pretty pointless and also it was just poorly written/filmed.

Gus Fring was so clearly never actually filming with Mackie it was jarring. It came across like a movie with way too many writers that had to do reshoots.

[PGsHeroes32]

Just one scene so far.

But of course Bernthal as puny interacting with DD was the best thing of the show. And one of the best scenes of anythjng marvel in a long time.

He's writing the punisher Disney special. And will be popping in more on Born again.

But it would behoove Marvel to ring that bell a lot more. Movies. More full time in DD.

Don't over think it. Got a great actor in a role they were born to play in a character people root for.

[MU82]

Disney Wanted More From Marvel. Now It Wants Less.

https://www.wsj.com/business/media/marvel-avengers-mcu-robert-downey-jr-dr-doom-311f9ffc?

LOS ANGELES—The head of Marvel Studios told colleagues recently that watching all the comic-book giant's new TV shows and films had started to feel more like homework than entertainment.

The problem, Kevin Feige acknowledged, is that in an effort to satisfy parent company Disney's DIS 1.85%increase; green up pointing triangle hunger for content on its new streaming service, the studio behind "The Avengers" churned out too many movies and shows with interconnected stories.

The deluge of material from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, on Disney+ overwhelmed and eventually alienated viewers. It also stretched Feige and his team's resources thin, diluting the quality of their output. Marvel's box-office sales, streaming popularity and formerly untouchable position in pop culture suffered.

Now, Feige is leading an internal overhaul aimed at getting the studio back on track. Marvel is making fewer TV shows, with stand-alone stories that don't require prior knowledge of the MCU. Feige is focused on fixing the studio's movie slate following recent flops like February's "Captain America: Brave New World."

The first major test of his reset arrived this week with "Thunderbolts," about a team of sidekicks, has-beens and other C-listers who save the world in the Avengers' absence. Early box-office sales indicate it will open to between $70 million and $75 million in the U.S. and Canada this weekend, which would put it in the lowest tier of the company's releases.