Xavier 02/15/2023

[We R Final Four]

Listened to this one on the radio:  Homer wanted a guy on the inbounder.  Tony Smith said no—it was more important keep the pass from near the arc or inside of it.

Near the arc or inside of it?

Then why not put Oso, Ben, Keeyan, OMax and Jop back deep?
Not sure the value of Kam and Stevie in T Smith's opinion.

[tower912]

You forgot about Ellis.  If he had made progress similar to the rest of the returnees, as well as grown, he could have been an impact sub.

[Pakuni]

Marquette has had the misfortune of not having Zach Wrightsill all season and we have been able to work around that.  Sean Jones has missed some games as well.

No disrespect, but I'd hesitate to compare the absence of Zach Wrightsill to Kalkbrenner, Bynum or Freemantle.
Acknowledging that MU has benefited from some opponents missing key players doesn't have to diminish what MU has accomplished.

[panda]

I won't go through it all, but Bynum missed numerous conference games as has Freemantle.  So other teams will get the benefit as well.  Kalkbrenner only missed 1 conference game it looks like.

Marquette has had the misfortune of not having Zach Wrightsill all season and we have been able to work around that.  Sean Jones has missed some games as well.

Jared Bynum, Zach freemantle, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Zach wrightsil and Sean Jones. All of the big east heavy hitters

[Newsdreams]

Honestly, it's hard for me to tell from that picture.

I think the question is if the ball was in play, what would be OOB? I suspect that as soon as they touch that first navy line, they are OOB. I believe , then, that as long as they are not over that blue line (and into the wood) they are not over the line. I honestly cannot tell from that picture if his toe is completely over the blue line and touching the wood.

If you step on line it is a violation both ways, in bounds or out of bounds.

[Pakuni]

If you step on line it is a violation both ways, in bounds or out of bounds.

So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.

[The Equalizer]

So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.

You're correct.

In fact, the NCAA doesn't even require a line--it permits a solid contrasting color to represent out of bounds. 

"Instead of the 2-inch boundaries listed on the Court Diagram, it is legal to use contrasting-colored floor areas by painting the out-of-bounds area, the center circle, and the free-throw lanes and lines so that the mathematical
line between the two colors is the boundary. Such a contrasting-colored out-of bounds belt should be at least 8 inches wide."

[mug644]

So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.

No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.

My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?

[wadesworld]

No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.

My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?

They could not.

[StillAWarrior]

No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.

My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?

But, I think what Paukuni and The Equalizer are saying is that Newsie is wrong. In fact, The Equalizer explained that according to the NCAA there doesn't even have to be a line. There can be a wood floor and solid-colored OOB area. If you touch the solid-colored area, you're OOB. If you're standing in the solid-colored area on a throw in, you're safely in the OOB area. It's a fact that the court is 94' whether there is a line or a solid-colored OOB. A player making an in-bounds pass is not committing a violation until he steps onto that 94' court. The rule doesn't change if it's a solid-colored OOB (violation if he steps onto the court) or a OOB line (violation if he touches the line).

[Pakuni]

But, I think what Paukuni and The Equalizer are saying is that Newsie is wrong. In fact, The Equalizer explained that according to the NCAA there doesn't even have to be a line. There can be a wood floor and solid-colored OOB area. If you touch the solid-colored area, you're OOB. If you're standing in the solid-colored area on a throw in, you're safely in the OOB area. It's a fact that the court is 94' whether there is a line or a solid-colored OOB. A player making an in-bounds pass is not committing a violation until he steps onto that 94' court. The rule doesn't change if it's a solid-colored OOB (violation if he steps onto the court) or a OOB line (violation if he touches the line).

Correct. The line is always out of bounds.
It's not out of bounds when the play is on the court, but then in bounds on a throw in.