Mascot woes at Butler and Georgetown

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Blackhawks and Seminoles are tribe names and the logos are just of Native American faces. What about either of those is offensive?

You are using an actual living people as a mascot. Imagine your entire culture being reduced down to a sideshow attraction at a sporting event. Think about it this way, would you name a team the Africans? Or the Mexicans? Or the Arabs? If that's not ok, why is it ok to name it after Native Americans?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

We don't mind the stereotype of "The Fighting Irish"  Nicknames are something meant to instill pride not demean anybody. What would be the point. Who would want to be the Dribbling Doofusses?

[real chili 83]

Sitting tonight at Bearcat stables in Edwards, Colorado, at the barbecue. 

Sportin' the blue and gold MU sweatshirt.

Stepped out from the bar and started watching the singer. He stopped his song I front of the whole crowd and proclaimed "Go Warriors"!

Can't make that sh1t up.

[Avenue Commons]

No, we are not.

We are Warriors.

If you entered Marquette in or after 1994, you're a Golden Eagle. Like it or not (which is your perogative), it is fact.

The last Warriors were the class of 1997 who were Freshmen in the fall of 1993 and in their second semester when the name change occurred.

[Avenue Commons]

Blackhawks and Seminoles are tribe names and the logos are just of Native American faces. What about either of those is offensive?

No, Chief Blackhawk is one individual guy and he was of the Sauk Tribe.

Hence, "Fear the Chief" and other Blackhawks slogans/expression about "the Chief". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_%28Sauk_leader%29

[ChicosBailBonds]

If you entered Marquette in or after 1994, you're a Golden Eagle. Like it or not (which is your perogative), it is fact.

The last Warriors were the class of 1997 who were Freshmen in the fall of 1993 and in their second semester when the name change occurred.

I weep for those post '94 people.  It's like going from a solid pick up truck and being given a Prius.  Emasculated. 

[Avenue Commons]

In many ways this is what the university is doing with the usage of the new MU interlocking logo. They don't use the GE bird logo at all anymore. You'll never see the bird logo anywhere.

I have thought for a long time the simple answer that would appease everyone would be to drop the mascot. No Golden Eagles, no Hilltoppers, no Gold, no Warriors, just Marquette. After all, through all of these nicknames, the only constant is Marquette.

Also...Hilltoppers wouldn't be unique. Western Kentucky are also the Hilltoppers.

[Avenue Commons]

Interesting vehicle choice.

If you live in the city (especially if you park on the street), you'd take a Prius over a pickup truck all day every day.

Times change.

I weep for those post '94 people.  It's like going from a solid pick up truck and being given a Prius.  Emasculated. 

[real chili 83]

Sitting tonight at Bearcat stables in Edwards, Colorado, at the barbecue. 

Sportin' the blue and gold MU sweatshirt.

Stepped out from the bar and started watching the singer. He stopped his song I front of the whole crowd and proclaimed "Go Warriors"!

Can't make that sh1t up.

Here's a pic from the singer tonight.

He's from Green Bay, and a UWM grad.  His bro is an MU grad, and a recently retired Commander from the Navy. Thank you for your service.

Warrior roots run deep.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We don't mind the stereotype of "The Fighting Irish"  Nicknames are something meant to instill pride not demean anybody. What would be the point. Who would want to be the Dribbling Doofusses?

We don't mind the Fighting Irish because Notre Dame has always been an Irish serving institution. Back in the days when Irish were second class citizens, Notre Dame catered to them. Since so many Irishmen went there (and for awhile they had a football team of almost all Irishmen) they took on the name fighting Irish. It is still ok because a very significant percentage of students there are actually Irish.

We are not a Native American serving institution. We are a bunch of white men and women yelling that we are Indian Warriors. That's the difference. UNC Pembroke (one of the few tribal schools that plays NCAA ball) can call themselves the Braves.

You may not agree, but I think it is demeaning to another culture. But regardless of that, the imagery we used in the past makes the point moot. Willie Wampum was flat out racist.

We lost the privilege to call ourselves Warriors because of our past racism. I really think we can earn that priviledge back. Stop glorifying Willie Wampum (and similar traditions), change the imagery to something else, and get rid of that stupid headdress the student section always wears. It will take time, but I think the administration/tribes will eventually change their mind.

[Avenue Commons]

Great post, Analytical Eagle.

[willie warrior]

We don't mind the Fighting Irish because Notre Dame has always been an Irish serving institution. Back in the days when Irish were second class citizens, Notre Dame catered to them. Since so many Irishmen went there (and for awhile they had a football team of almost all Irishmen) they took on the name fighting Irish. It is still ok because a very significant percentage of students there are actually Irish.

We are not a Native American serving institution. We are a bunch of white men and women yelling that we are Indian Warriors. That's the difference. UNC Pembroke (one of the few tribal schools that plays NCAA ball) can call themselves the Braves.

You may not agree, but I think it is demeaning to another culture. But regardless of that, the imagery we used in the past makes the point moot. Willie Wampum was flat out racist.

We lost the privilege to call ourselves Warriors because of our past racism. I really think we can earn that priviledge back. Stop glorifying Willie Wampum (and similar traditions), change the imagery to something else, and get rid of that stupid headdress the student section always wears. It will take time, but I think the administration/tribes will eventually change their mind.

I see...since we are a bunch of white men and women yelling, them maybe we should be the Howling Honkies or the White Warriors

[GGGG]

I don't think people would care so much if the name wasn't something as in your face worthless as "golden eagles." Might as well have gone with another goddam wildcat mascot.

Exactly.  In retrospect they should have just reverted back to Hilltoppers. 

[warriorchick]

Exactly.  In retrospect they should have just reverted back to Hilltoppers. 

What would our mascot be?  I guy in Liederhosen, wielding a walking stick?  That would certainly pull in Milwaukee's German heritage.

[GGGG]

What would our mascot be?  I guy in Liederhosen, wielding a walking stick?  That would certainly pull in Milwaukee's German heritage.

I know this is going to strike at the heart of all you hold dear, but I don't think you need one.

And if you do, make it a ram.

[Nukem2]

Exactly.  In retrospect they should have just reverted back to Hilltoppers. 

Hilltoppers is just goofy.  Had that at MUHS and the chant was "Go Toppers"....lame.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I see...since we are a bunch of white men and women yelling, them maybe we should be the Howling Honkies or the White Warriors

Now THAT would be worse than Golden Eagles

[mu-rara]

You may not agree, but I think it is demeaning to another culture. But regardless of that, the imagery we used in the past makes the point moot. Willie Wampum was flat out racist.

We lost the privilege to call ourselves Warriors because of our past racism. I really think we can earn that priviledge back. Stop glorifying Willie Wampum (and similar traditions), change the imagery to something else, and get rid of that stupid headdress the student section always wears. It will take time, but I think the administration/tribes will eventually change their mind.

Marquette did the right thing before it was the popular thing.  Willie was gone in 1971.  I have argued that if MU kept Willie till 1988 or so, and dropped him, taking on a totally different mascot, we may have been able to keep Warrior as our nickname.  As it was, we did the right thing so early, we received no credit.

[Golden Avalanche]

Hilltoppers is just goofy.  Had that at MUHS and the chant was "Go Toppers"....lame.

Don't tell that to a WKU alum.