Rodney Hood Transfering

[brewcity77]

The University of Wisconsin in Madison

They're no different than anyone else. Their fans are just more vociferous about the BS purity of their program. Bo's as bad as anyone else. Clearly they also didn't do enough to make Uthoff comfortable.

[77ncaachamps]

Nothing against Lockett, but we need another big body. Heaven forbid if Otule hurts himself again and Davante doesn't complete heal or re-aggravates his injury, we have no one over 6'8".

Hood is who we'd need, though he is more of a 3 or 4.

I wonder if the hesitation to even get him in the fold is due to selling more PT to Looney.

[Dawson Rental]

Nothing against Lockett, but we need another big body. Heaven forbid if Otule hurts himself again and Davante doesn't complete heal or re-aggravates his injury, we have no one over 6'8".

Hood is who we'd need, though he is more of a 3 or 4.

I wonder if the hesitation to even get him in the fold is due to selling more PT to Looney.

Hood is a two, always has been, always will be.  That's his game.  The problem with trying to get Hood to MU would be dealing with suspicions on his part that he would be shoved into the four spot.  I don't know if at MU there is much difference between the 2 and the 3, but Hood definitely would be unhappy pushed into the four spot.

[The Process]

I don't know if at MU there is much difference between the 2 and the 3, but Hood definitely would be unhappy pushed into the four spot.

But what does his dad think about that?

[Hoopaloop]

They're no different than anyone else. Their fans are just more vociferous about the BS purity of their program. Bo's as bad as anyone else. Clearly they also didn't do enough to make Uthoff comfortable.

You are trying to pass it off as an everyone else does it, but that isn't the case, and certainly not with Bo Ryan. 

There is a perception with certain coaches, Crean, Cal, Pitino, Calhoun, Buzz and others that they will move players off the team to get someone else in.  Look up the term Creaning or Buzz Cutting and see what comes up.  I'm not debating whether it is right or wrong.  They run a program and need to get wins.  They do what they feel is right and there is nothing illegal about it.  With one year scholarships, I personally don't see that big a deal though there is one exception.

When a kid is run off who signed a letter of intent and never even arrives on campus, that is one I am not to crazy about  If Durley doesn't come, wouldn't that be our third kid this has happened to?  Roseboro, Newbill, and now Durley? 

You can say Ryan does this, but not only is that not the perception that isn't true either.  There are a number of ways to win in college basketball and different programs choose different paths.  It is ok to admit it and not be in denial how we have chosen our path (nothing illegal or unethical about it as long as the players know up front what is going on).

[77ncaachamps]

Hood is a two, always has been, always will be.  That's his game.  The problem with trying to get Hood to MU would be dealing with suspicions on his part that he would be shoved into the four spot.  I don't know if at MU there is much difference between the 2 and the 3, but Hood definitely would be unhappy pushed into the four spot.

Well then...

[Dawson Rental]

You are trying to pass it off as an everyone else does it, but that isn't the case, and certainly not with Bo Ryan. 

There is a perception with certain coaches, Crean, Cal, Pitino, Calhoun, Buzz and others that they will move players off the team to get someone else in.  Look up the term Creaning or Buzz Cutting and see what comes up.  I'm not debating whether it is right or wrong.  They run a program and need to get wins.  They do what they feel is right and there is nothing illegal about it.  With one year scholarships, I personally don't see that big a deal though there is one exception.

When a kid is run off who signed a letter of intent and never even arrives on campus, that is one I am not to crazy about  If Durley doesn't come, wouldn't that be our third kid this has happened to?  Roseboro, Newbill, and now Durley? 

You can say Ryan does this, but not only is that not the perception that isn't true either.  There are a number of ways to win in college basketball and different programs choose different paths.  It is ok to admit it and not be in denial how we have chosen our path (nothing illegal or unethical about it as long as the players know up front what is going on).

But Roseboro did arrive on campus that's were he had the opportunity to see during the summer that he wasn't ready to contribute to the team for the foreseeable future, and decided to take a step down in competition.

Really, with MU "fans" like yourself, who needs trolls?

[Hoopaloop]

But Roseboro did arrive on campus that's were he had the opportunity to see during the summer that he wasn't ready to contribute to the team for the foreseeable future, and decided to take a step down in competition.

Really, with MU "fans" like yourself, who needs trolls?

Arrive during the normal school year, when 95% of the students arrive.  Schools should honor letters of intent for the first year.

[Goose]

I have said it several times but the landscape of college ball has changed a great deal in past decade. I would agree that having kids leave before they come looks harsh on the surface and cannot argue that. That said any kid to decide whenever he wants to leave and the school had planned for him for four years and are stuck when kid leaves.

In perfect world I would hate to see kids leave before there first day of class. In today's game it is cut throat and the need to always be recruiting is the facts of life. Furthermore we are still in the chasing position to become elite and keeping the wrong kid could be a big hit for the program.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I have said it several times but the landscape of college ball has changed a great deal in past decade. I would agree that having kids leave before they come looks harsh on the surface and cannot argue that. That said any kid to decide whenever he wants to leave and the school had planned for him for four years and are stuck when kid leaves.

In perfect world I would hate to see kids leave before there first day of class. In today's game it is cut throat and the need to always be recruiting is the facts of life. Furthermore we are still in the chasing position to become elite and keeping the wrong kid could be a big hit for the program.

I remember a handful of kids that would show up for school and be gone in the first 1-2 weeks of school.  that's just regular students.

then you have The Beast who finds out he's not a Beast and leaves.

[Lennys Tap]

Arrive during the normal school year, when 95% of the students arrive.  Schools should honor letters of intent for the first year.

Unless there are clearinghouse issues, all basketball players arrive at MU and everywhere else in the summer. What are you even talking about?

[GGGG]

Arrive during the normal school year, when 95% of the students arrive.  Schools should honor letters of intent for the first year.

Why?  Why not give them a head start away from home...in the classroom...on the basketball court...and in the weightroom, etc. during the lower pressure time of summer?  Otherwise, what are these kids going to be doing?  Playing basketball (unsupervised), lifting weights (unsupervised) and making no progress on their education.  Remember these are kids whose summers in the past were filled with AAU tournaments...now you give them nothing to do?

Dumb idea.

[tower912]

I had 3 kids on my floor at McCormick leave either during the first semester or at Christmas break.   Transfers happen all the time for athletes and non-athletes alike.   It is almost as common as changing majors.   The difference with athletes is that it is higher visibility.    Also, they tend to make up their minds earlier.    Most high schoolers don't make up their minds until spring of their senior years in high school.   Many athletes have to do it sooner.    And then to trash kids because they rethink a decision they made when they were 16?!    If the fit isn't right for Hood/Ulthoff/Roseboro/???, it isn't right.    And if the fit isn't right for the athletic program involved, the school can choose to not renew.    After the stories that came out in SI regarding UCLA, do you think it is possible that Howland regrets letting a player that doesn't represent the university well hang around?    Do you think Bo regrets for a moment running the kids off who stole the laptops.      Sometimes, it just doesn't work. 

[Lennys Tap]

Why?  Why not give them a head start away from home...in the classroom...on the basketball court...and in the weightroom, etc. during the lower pressure time of summer?  Otherwise, what are these kids going to be doing?  Playing basketball (unsupervised), lifting weights (unsupervised) and making no progress on their education.  Remember these are kids whose summers in the past were filled with AAU tournaments...now you give them nothing to do?

Dumb idea.

Of course it's a dumb idea, but it's the only scenario under which Roseboro would have been stuck at MU wasting a year of his and Marquette's time - an end Hoop very much favored.

[GGGG]

I think it is pretty obvious that Roseboro's main issue is Roseboro...since he has since transferred yet again to UMBC.

[Hoopaloop]

I have said it several times but the landscape of college ball has changed a great deal in past decade. I would agree that having kids leave before they come looks harsh on the surface and cannot argue that. That said any kid to decide whenever he wants to leave and the school had planned for him for four years and are stuck when kid leaves.

In perfect world I would hate to see kids leave before there first day of class. In today's game it is cut throat and the need to always be recruiting is the facts of life. Furthermore we are still in the chasing position to become elite and keeping the wrong kid could be a big hit for the program.

It has changed a great deal.  I'm not sure these schools are planning for them to stick around for four years as you state.  I would argue our own actions under a number of coaches proves that out.  The way we voted on the NCAA legislation for multi-year scholarships also supports my view.


It is a cut throat situation, but because some schools do it doesn't mean every school, nor every successful school does it.  You would know better than I, but aren't some of the rumblings from the administration and some alumni because were are doing things one way (as are others) but schools in our proximity (Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc) are winning by approaching things differently?  I believe you hinted at that so if I am wrong correct me. 


<before someone brings up Wisconsin and Uthoff, my perceptions of how Wisconsin is acting is that they are wrong not to allow the kid to play where he wants assuming no tampering has been involved.  Where the administration has had trouble is the Creaning of kids where they are run off to make room for other kids, at least that is what some of the hints around here have been>

[Hoopaloop]

Why?  Why not give them a head start away from home...in the classroom...on the basketball court...and in the weightroom, etc. during the lower pressure time of summer?  Otherwise, what are these kids going to be doing?  Playing basketball (unsupervised), lifting weights (unsupervised) and making no progress on their education.  Remember these are kids whose summers in the past were filled with AAU tournaments...now you give them nothing to do?

Dumb idea.

Because you are putting the kid's alternative choices to pasture.  The kid is stuck.  The NY Times today mentions this very thing with the latest Bo Ryan stuff.  Larry Krystowiak pulled a BuzzCutting on one of his players and the player has no options.  Newbill had no options.  That is the central issue here.

I would not be surprised to see the NCAA clamp down on this.  If a kid signs a letter of intent and at the 11th hour the coach says too bad, what is the kid supposed to do?  His other options have left.  The school he signed with might have transfer restrictions within conference further limiting him in the future.  The only loser in that situation is the kid, not the program.

From the NY Times today, fortunately they referenced Krystkowiak and not Buzz because they easily could have.

"Last week, Utah Coach Larry Krystkowiak gave this trend a disturbing new turn when he asked Josh Hearlihy, a recruit from Studio City, Calif., not to come to Utah, despite having signed him to a scholarship last November. Krystkowiak's change of heart on his recruit clearly put Hearlihy in a terrible spot because all the other schools he was considering had long offered all of their scholarships. Hearlihy has since agreed not to go to Utah, The Salt Lake City Tribune reported."

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/wisconsin-reverses-course-on-uthoff-transfer-request/#

[GGGG]

Because you are putting the kid's alternative choices to pasture.  The kid is stuck.  The NY Times today mentions this very thing with the latest Bo Ryan stuff.  Larry Krystowiak pulled a BuzzCutting on one of his players and the player has no options.  Newbill had no options. 

Newbill had no options?  How the hell did he end up playing at Southern Miss then???

And the idea that we should have *no* players come to campus in the summer because a Newbill situation *might* happen is completely absurd.

Furthermore, Newbill never got to campus during the summer anyway.  It wouldn't prevent that from happening.  The NCAA is powerless to stop it.  The NLI is already binding...but if a coach tells them that they don't want him, what is the player going to do?  Enforce it by showing up somewhere he isn't wanted?

You are completely wrong, and frankly way too naive regarding this.

[MuMark]

MU would have honored Roseborro's scholarship. He was in over his head...he wouldn't have played but he could have stayed for the year if he had wanted to...he decided to leave.

MU didn't use his scholarship that year so why would they "run him off"?

If you want to complain about the Newbill situation fine...I think thatw as handled badly but don't lump Roseborro in like its the same thing...it wasn't.

[GGGG]

If you want to complain about the Newbill situation fine...I think thatw as handled badly but don't lump Roseborro in like its the same thing...it wasn't.

Not to mention, the Newbill situation had NOTHING to do with a player showing up in the summer.  Newbill NEVER got to Marquette.

It's like saying in order to cure AIDS, we are going to prohibit the manufacturing of flat-screen TVs.  Completely illogical.

[Hoopaloop]

Newbill had no options?  How the hell did he end up playing at Southern Miss then???

And the idea that we should have *no* players come to campus in the summer because a Newbill situation *might* happen is completely absurd.

Furthermore, Newbill never got to campus during the summer anyway.  It wouldn't prevent that from happening.  The NCAA is powerless to stop it.  The NLI is already binding...but if a coach tells them that they don't want him, what is the player going to do?  Enforce it by showing up somewhere he isn't wanted?

You are completely wrong, and frankly way too naive regarding this.

OK, no options was too far.  Do you agree that his options were severely limited?  He couldn't go to a Big East school, his other options had offered his scholarship to someone else.  He had to settle for Southern Miss, a school he then transferred out of after one season because he never wanted to in the first place.

Do you agree that once a kid signs that letter of intent, his choices are severely limited?  That is what the NY Times is arguing, that is what I am saying.  This is an area I believe you will see the NCAA move in a direction to protect the kids.

[NavinRJohnson]

OK, no options was too far.  Do you agree that his options were severely limited?  He couldn't go to a Big East school, his other options had offered his scholarship to someone else.  He had to settle for Southern Miss, a school he then transferred out of after one season because he never wanted to in the first place.

Do you agree that once a kid signs that letter of intent, his choices are severely limited?  That is what the NY Times is arguing, that is what I am saying.  This is an area I believe you will see the NCAA move in a direction to protect the kids.

So did your buddy Chicos dictate this to you over the phone, or did you just cut and paste from a post 2 years ago when you went by a different name?

[GGGG]

OK, no options was too far.  Do you agree that his options were severely limited?  He couldn't go to a Big East school, his other options had offered his scholarship to someone else.  He had to settle for Southern Miss, a school he then transferred out of after one season because he never wanted to in the first place.

Do you agree that once a kid signs that letter of intent, his choices are severely limited?  That is what the NY Times is arguing, that is what I am saying.  This is an area I believe you will see the NCAA move in a direction to protect the kids.

Don't change the subject.

The "Newbill situation" was the reason you don't want players to come to campus during the summer.  Which is absurd, stupid and wrong.

And yes his options were limited.  But again, that was not the reason you brought up Newbill.

[Hoopaloop]

So did your buddy Chicos dictate this to you over the phone, or did you just cut and paste from a post 2 years ago when you went by a different name?

No Navin, and if you look at the responses to Durley today and yesterday or go back and look at the responses to Newbill a few years ago, you would see there are many people that share the same opinions on this process of buzzcutting.