7'0" center David Hahn visiting MU

[cheebs09]

The youtube videos don't give me a ton of confidence. I guess I had the Newbill video kind of stuck in my head, but when you see the difference of how hard he was working and the intensity, it is tough to be impressed. Now maybe the youtube video wasn't Hahn's actual workout or something like that, it's tough to tell. It's just it seems like none of those moves have a chance of working. He takes awhile to shoot and he dribbles very high on those post moves the ball will get stolen before he ever makes a move. I guess it would be nice to see him playing a game and maybe he is more of a game player than practice player, but it's not hard to see why people aren't impressed with the video, especially after seeing the Newbill one a day or two ago.

[MUBurrow]

Here's why I don't think Buzz is recruiting just IN CASE a scholarship opens up:

I don't think you go around, bringing kids in from all corners of the country on the off chance that, due to totally unforeseen circumstances, a scholarship becomes available.  That doesnt seem particularly fair to the new recruits, and equally important, gives Buzz a bad name as the guy that will beat down your door only to tell you a month later when you're running out of choices, "Sorry, none of those totally unexpected things happened... as expected... so we don't have a schollie for you."  

As much as recruiting in case something comes up makes him seem diligent to us, wouldn't it make him seem like kind of an @$$ to the recruiting world for all the time of these kids he's potentially wasting?  I would think that would be to his detriment moving forward.  That is a big reason why I have to think that even if he doesn't KNOW that a scholarship is opening up, something is going on behind the scenes that makes him think its particularly likely.

[4everwarriors]

Bur, someone is moving on, bank it.

[Boone]

Agreed. Kids can only take so many official visits. They're not going to waste one precious visit on a school that may or may not have a scholarship available.

[StillAWarrior]

Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up?  MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.

The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.

I do think it's possible, but I also agree with MUBurrow said in response to your post.  Another interesting thing, though, is that Buzz is only recruiting a certain type of player right now.  He seems to be trying to fill a specific need.  If he was recruiting just in case something opened up, I would think he would be recruiting different types of players ("what if our PG transfers, I need to have a recruit in the wings").  Of course, he may have just decided that if someone decides to leave he'd like another "big" no matter what.

Honest question:  do most programs continue actively recruiting (either in general or for a specific position) once all their scholarships are filled for the following year?

[GOMU1104]

Here's why I don't think Buzz is recruiting just IN CASE a scholarship opens up:

I don't think you go around, bringing kids in from all corners of the country on the off chance that, due to totally unforeseen circumstances, a scholarship becomes available.  That doesnt seem particularly fair to the new recruits, and equally important, gives Buzz a bad name as the guy that will beat down your door only to tell you a month later when you're running out of choices, "Sorry, none of those totally unexpected things happened... as expected... so we don't have a schollie for you."  

As much as recruiting in case something comes up makes him seem diligent to us, wouldn't it make him seem like kind of an @$$ to the recruiting world for all the time of these kids he's potentially wasting?  I would think that would be to his detriment moving forward.  That is a big reason why I have to think that even if he doesn't KNOW that a scholarship is opening up, something is going on behind the scenes that makes him think its particularly likely.

You assume the kids are oblivious to the situation the school is in. You are also assuming that Buzz isnt honest with them regarding where there scholarship offer stands.

Honest question:  do most programs continue actively recruiting (either in general or for a specific position) once all their scholarships are filled for the following year?

Yes, coaches are constantly recruiting. Again...you dont start recruiting when something happens and all of a sudden have an opening...that will put you very far behind, should you need to find another player.

[Benny B]

Agreed. Kids can only take so many official visits. They're not going to waste one precious visit on a school that may or may not have a scholarship available.

Hypothetically, let's assume the general opinion of Hahn's potential on this thread were true... how on earth would an official visit to MU be considered a "waste"???

[Boone]

This might be one instance where it wouldn't be a waste for a kid. But then that begs a larger question: are we that desperate?

Your question doesn't hold water for Dieng's recruitment, though. A lot of quality schools wanted him to come for visits.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Just saw the kid touring the campus in a sleeveless cut off. True 7 footer. Decent build for a kid his height.

PS we need to up the quality of the girls working in our athletic department. The girl giving him the tour was not awe inspiring. Not saying we should be pulling Tennessee type moves, but it wouldn't hurt to have some eye candy for the recruits.

[Benny B]

This might be one instance where it wouldn't be a waste for a kid. But then that begs a larger question: are we that desperate?

Your question doesn't hold water for Dieng's recruitment, though. A lot of quality schools wanted him to come for visits.

Desperation is a matter of opinion and perspective.  Don't confuse "desperation" with "having a contingency plan".

I've already said too much... I vowed not to contribute any substance to this thread (which I'm pretty sure I haven't).

[VegasWarrior77]

You just did!

[Lennys Tap]

Anyone ever stop to think that MAYBE Buzz is recruiting IN CASE a scholarship opens up?  MAYBE there are some things to be worked out, and one COULD open up...or one COULD NOT open up.

The time to recruit is not when you find out that you actually have an open scholarship. If you wait for that time to come, you will be too far behind and likely be out of luck.

Do you really think a high profile recruit like Dieng comes down to Marquette or Louisville if MU tells him there's a "possibility" a scholarship may open up for him? According to numerous reports MU has offered Dieng, Noreen and the kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy. I doubt Buzz would offer something he didn't have.

[Dawson Rental]

Here is a totally hypothetical possibility.  It was said by Rosiak when Newbill and Crowder signed that Buzz was looking to add one "or possibly two" more players.  What if Noreen likes MU, but wants assurance that he isn't going to be caught playing center, as in for example, after another Otule foot injury.  Could Hahn be an insurance policy at center to reassure Hahn that he'll be left at power forward?

Yeah, this is far fetched, but its not, I believe, an uninteresting scenario.

[GOMU1104]

Do you really think a high profile recruit like Dieng comes down to Marquette or Louisville if MU tells him there's a "possibility" a scholarship may open up for him? According to numerous reports MU has offered Dieng, Noreen and the kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy. I doubt Buzz would offer something he didn't have.

Well, it has happened before...In fact, MU signed a guy a couple of years ago with the "possibility" that a scholarship would open up.  It didnt, and he ended up going to school elsewhere.

"The Kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy" was James Siakam...He did not have an offer from MU, according to Harv and Roy (Illinois Prep Bullseye Basketball Report).

As with Dieng, I really dont think MU ever had a chance at the kid, to be honest. I am not really counting it as a "loss" as many others will.

[NCMUFan]

For 7 foot the kid looks like he is an athlete.  But does he have basketball skills?

[Lennys Tap]

Well, it has happened before...In fact, MU signed a guy a couple of years ago with the "possibility" that a scholarship would open up.  It didnt, and he ended up going to school elsewhere.

"The Kid from Carbondale who announced for Vandy" was James Siakam...He did not have an offer from MU, according to Harv and Roy (Illinois Prep Bullseye Basketball Report).

As with Dieng, I really dont think MU ever had a chance at the kid, to be honest. I am not really counting it as a "loss" as many others will.

I'm not sure who you are referring to (Damian Saunders, supposedly not allowed in by admissions?) but I don't ever remember MU recruiting players this late in the game without an opening for the coming year. Do you really think we would sign someone May 19th only to not accept him a couple of weeks later for summer school? I don't.

[burger]

Our offense is the Kansas offense.....

Paint touches remember.....

You need a couple of "useful" bigs that can "rebound" "clog" "block" "bang" with these teams that have huge size.....

We have more "talent" that we have ever had at the 1-4 positions.....

You need 2 beasts that can beat the @#$hit out of the other teams bigs and not get physically dominated....

We are going to make some of these teams dizzy with what we can do with waves of DJ's, Athletic shooting forards, slashing Blue's....

I fully expect more Mizzou type pressure next year......Not as much.....

But enough to just exhaust and overwhelm teams with "talent".....

That is why you need two beasts......."Otule and ......"

If this kid can eat glass and draw blood......Let the "laying" of the lumber begin!

[Golden Avalanche]

I'm not sure who you are referring to (Damian Saunders, supposedly not allowed in by admissions?) but I don't ever remember MU recruiting players this late in the game without an opening for the coming year. Do you really think we would sign someone May 19th only to not accept him a couple of weeks later for summer school? I don't.

Agreed.

If I remember, Saunders committed during the actual season. And that did blow up in Crean's face as he's clearly a talented ball player.

Rarely do you recruit into May with the "possibility" of a slot opening up. By now, that slot is open or you're an pretty boy for wasting a prospect's time if they won't get a ride on your bus.

[GOO]

His frame looks like he could handle 270 pounds by junior year. My question:  can he rebound and run the court and play D? Does he have decent hands?  Can he hit a 15 foot jumper so his defender has to come out to guard him?  Could he end up like the big that Northern Iowa had this year by his junior year?  If so, sign him up.  Worth the chance.