BE on the road is a bitch.
Nah, that can't be it. Conference road games are a beeyotch for other teams. When MU loses, it is 100% due to MU's inadequacies.
No one said otherwise. That being said MU played like dog shite last night.
It was more about what Providence did than what MU failed to do.
Like it is more about Seton Hall tonight.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:04:19 PM
It was more about what Providence did than what MU failed to do.
Like it is more about Seton Hall tonight.
Exactly
I feel better.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:04:19 PM
It was more about what Providence did than what MU failed to do.
Like it is more about Seton Hall tonight.
I would say it was more 60/40 with our dumbfounding ineptitude being the 60.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 20, 2023, 08:01:46 PM
No one said otherwise. That being said MU played like dog crape last night.
Actually, lots of people said things suggesting that the great, great, great UConn Huskies would never get killed in a Big East road game the way bumbling, stumbling Marquette did last night.
And seriously, we've been hearing nothing but heaps of praise for UConn all season - and rightly so. But I'll still take Marquette in Milwaukee or on a neutral court if both are playing well.
It's really pretty funny that one day after our unforgivable Sh1t show, UConn got crushed by Seton Hall - a team very few observers would say is anywhere near as good as Providence.
Or maybe now Scoop thinks UConn sucks and is badly flawed, too?
Bottom line: Even very good Big East teams need to be on their game when they go on the road -- with the possible of exception of trips to DePaul and Georgetown.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 20, 2023, 08:09:39 PM
I feel better.
Can't deny it - definitely feeling better.
What's dog crape?
Quote from: MU82 on December 20, 2023, 08:11:40 PM
Actually, lots of people said things suggesting that the great, great, great UConn Huskies would never get killed in a Big East road game the way bumbling, stumbling Marquette did last night.
And seriously, we've been hearing nothing but heaps of praise for UConn all season - and rightly so. But I'll still take Marquette in Milwaukee or on a neutral court if both are playing well.
It's really pretty funny that one day after our unforgivable Sh1t show, UConn got crushed by Seton Hall - a team very few observers would say is anywhere near as good as Providence.
Or maybe now Scoop thinks UConn sucks and is badly flawed, too?
Bottom line: Even very good Big East teams need to be on their game when they go on the road -- with the possible of exception of trips to DePaul and Georgetown.
A number of people on the web "couldn't see more than 2 losses" from UCONN in the Big East. Well, here's one.
Quote from: Farls on December 20, 2023, 08:13:27 PM
What's dog crape?
It's like a paper thin pancake my dog cooks up on Sunday mornings
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 20, 2023, 07:57:32 PM
BE on the road is a bitch.
If by a bitch you mean a 60% win rate for the home team year after year
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 20, 2023, 08:18:04 PM
If by a bitch you mean a 60% win rate for the home team year after year
Sure, whatever,
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 20, 2023, 08:18:04 PM
If by a bitch you mean a 60% win rate for the home team year after year
Well, yeah. Because DePaul, Georgetown, Minnesota, and Notre Dame all play home games, too.
Let's not forget that Clingan didn't play the final 16 minutes after getting hurt. I'm glad they lost, but there's no comparison between this and our crapfest last nite.
Hopefully the UConn 15 point loss gives some of our crazier fans some perspective.
Yes, there are a number of valid concerns for Marquette but some of the takes the last 24 hours have been wild.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 08:26:51 PM
I'm glad they lost, but there's no comparison between this and our crapfest last nite.
Sure there is. The comparison is that it counts as 1 loss. No more, no less.
MU was missing a starter. Muggsy said 60-40 MU. I say 85-15 Providence. Always the aggressor.
Yours is a vain hope, VBMG.
I told my sons that I gave MU you a 60-40 chance to win last night. Winning on the road, especially at PU, Creighton and nova is very tough. MU stunk last night so no silver linings, but I would expect 16-4 or 15-5 to win the BE this year.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 20, 2023, 08:29:53 PM
Sure there is. The comparison is that it counts as 1 loss. No more, no less.
That part is true.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:30:24 PM
MU was missing a starter. Muggsy said 60-40 MU. I say 85-15 Providence. Always the aggressor.
Yours is a vain hope, VBMG.
Yeah, you're probably right. One can always hope for a Scoop Christmas miracle. 🎅
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2023, 08:35:09 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. One can always hope for a Scoop Christmas miracle. 🎅
Instead, we get Buddy The Elf after eating his spaghetti.
John Fanta @John_Fanta 21hrs ago
Providence is 40-3 over the last three seasons at home.
The 40 home wins are the most in all of college basketball in that span.
John Fanta @John_Fanta 6:28pm
The 1-0 teams in the Big East:
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Butler
The 0-1 teams:
UConn
Marquette
Xavier
Georgetown
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:21:21 PM
Well, yeah. Because DePaul, Georgetown, Minnesota, and Notre Dame all play home games, too.
What do MN or ND have to do with the discussion of the Big East?
Mea culpa. I assumed you meant across the NCAA.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 08:26:51 PM
Let's not forget that Clingan didn't play the final 16 minutes after getting hurt. I'm glad they lost, but there's no comparison between this and our crapfest last nite.
UConn was well behind even with the Klingon.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:30:24 PM
MU was missing a starter. Muggsy said 60-40 MU. I say 85-15 Providence. Always the aggressor.
Yours is a vain hope, VBMG.
MU was missing a starter that couldn't beat you in a game of HORSE
Way to know your role.
How many posters so far have excused UConn and continued to blame MU? Thank you all for making my point for me so eloquently.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 20, 2023, 08:49:29 PM
UConn was well behind even with the Klingon.
It was a 5 point game at the half.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 20, 2023, 08:26:51 PM
Let's not forget that Clingan didn't play the final 16 minutes after getting hurt. I'm glad they lost, but there's no comparison between this and our crapfest last nite.
Of course there's a comparison. UConn was losing when Clingan went down, and they're the mighty defending champs with superstars and depth up and down the roster that MU can only dream of. Plus, Marquette was down a starter all game.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2023, 08:28:57 PM
Hopefully the UConn 15 point loss gives some of our crazier fans some perspective.
Yes, there are a number of valid concerns for Marquette but some of the takes the last 24 hours have been wild.
You're new here, right?
and Marquette blew their chance to get a one game lead on UConn, even more mad now...
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 07:59:25 PM
Nah, that can't be it. Conference road games are a beeyotch for other teams. When MU loses, it is 100% due to MU's inadequacies.
I'd much rather lose to Providence than Seton Hall.
I know this probably makes Marquette fans feel better, but it shouldn't.
It's ok to feel upset after last night, just like it was ok to feel upset after the UW game.
That was one of the worst performances of the Shaka era. Let's just hope the response it as good as it was after UW and that it doesn't occur again in as close a period of time.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 08:04:19 PM
It was more about what Providence did than what MU failed to do.
Like it is more about Seton Hall tonight.
Dreaming is free.
It only makes me feel better from the perspective of misery loving company.
But these results are making me think my expectation of 15-5 for MU is too optimistic. MU has some issues I didn't expect and some of the teams that MU swept last year are going to be tougher this year.
And Plantation fail, top 3 teams 0-1
And Creighton goes down! In OT to Villanova. Wow
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 07:59:25 PM
Nah, that can't be it. Conference road games are a beeyotch for other teams. When MU loses, it is 100% due to MU's inadequacies.
I thought we lost to Providence last night because we got screwed by the referees ( who have a long history of screwing MU on the road because they don't like us).
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 20, 2023, 11:16:16 PM
I thought we lost to Providence last night because we got screwed by the referees ( who have a long history of screwing MU on the road because they don't like us).
We lost by 15 because the refs. We lost because of crappy play. But it's true at least last year we were screwed out of @PC because of refs (49-19 disparity is insane by any measure)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 20, 2023, 11:47:09 PM
We lost by 15 because the refs. We lost because of crappy play. But it's true at least last year we were screwed out of @PC because of refs (49-19 disparity is insane by any measure)
Once again, I underestimated the effectiveness of teal.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on December 20, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
John Fanta @John_Fanta 21hrs ago
Providence is 40-3 over the last three seasons at home.
The 40 home wins are the most in all of college basketball in that span.
John Fanta @John_Fanta 6:28pm
The 1-0 teams in the Big East:
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Butler
The 0-1 teams:
UConn
Marquette
Xavier
Georgetown
it's going to be a long season...for all teams. those who can persevere, adjust, overcome injuries and the like will be the successful ones. unfortunately, we are a little "thin" but shaka knew this going in. i'm sure he's prepared the troops for these exact situations. when we get stevie back, who's next?
to be 100% healthy and firing on all cylinders is obviously ideal. real coaches win when this is not the case. winning players step up to fill the voids. we are going to need one of the unsung 3 or 4 coming off the bench to "surprise" us
i believe shaka can do this. the team concept he employs doesn't have "quit" in it. he is the type of coach we need for these situations.
we will see who the real men are and i just don't mean the players. i mean some of the so called "fans" here on the board. ya'll know who you are. it's fair to criticize. there is a difference between criticism and being dumb fair weather fans. there are some on here i've never seen before...or only when something not so good occurs
gotta be able to brush your teeth and walk at the same time
...but UCONN and Creighton lost at home. We lost on the road.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 21, 2023, 04:52:59 AM
it's going to be a long season...for all teams. those who can persevere, adjust, overcome injuries and the like will be the successful ones. unfortunately, we are a little "thin" but shaka knew this going in. i'm sure he's prepared the troops for these exact situations. when we get stevie back, who's next?
to be 100% healthy and firing on all cylinders is obviously ideal. real coaches win when this is not the case. winning players step up to fill the voids. we are going to need one of the unsung 3 or 4 coming off the bench to "surprise" us
i believe shaka can do this. the team concept he employs doesn't have "quit" in it. he is the type of coach we need for these situations.
we will see who the real men are and i just don't mean the players. i mean some of the so called "fans" here on the board. ya'll know who you are. it's fair to criticize. there is a difference between criticism and being dumb fair weather fans. there are some on here i've never seen before...or only when something not so good occurs
gotta be able to brush your teeth and walk at the same time
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We should schedule Colgate every year.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2023, 08:28:57 PM
Hopefully the UConn 15 point loss gives some of our crazier fans some perspective.
Yes, there are a number of valid concerns for Marquette but some of the takes the last 24 hours have been wild.
Do the "crazier fans" include the ones who predicted MU to lose 2 or fewer games in the Big East and pull out the COLE label on anyone who expects them to lose more than that?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 21, 2023, 05:08:50 AM
...but UCONN and Creighton lost at home. We lost on the road.
UConn's home court in New Jersey?
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on December 20, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
John Fanta @John_Fanta 21hrs ago
Providence is 40-3 over the last three seasons at home.
The 40 home wins are the most in all of college basketball in that span.
Stupid info from Fanta. Providence has only had 2 neutral site MTE games each of the past 3 seasons (2-4 btw, no wins Vs a top 80 KenPom opp) — that is, they play a sh1t ton of home games compared to most.
The final sentence is like talking about how you win 20 games this year and comparing it to a century ago when you only had 12 games all year.
Eff Providence and Mizzou cheater Kim
Isn't Providence now 20-0 when Fanta is there?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2023, 08:28:57 PM
Hopefully the UConn 15 point loss gives some of our crazier fans some perspective.
Yes, there are a number of valid concerns for Marquette but some of the takes the last 24 hours have been wild.
You're an embarrassing idiot with an inferiority complex due to your micro phallis and it causes you to lash out and act like a 12 year old.
Quote from: Farley36 on December 21, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
You're an embarrassing idiot with an inferiority complex due to your micro phallis and it causes you to lash out and act like a 12 year old.
You're projecting, little guy.
Quote from: wisblue on December 21, 2023, 05:16:06 AM
Do the "crazier fans" include the ones who predicted MU to lose 2 or fewer games in the Big East and pull out the COLE label on anyone who expects them to lose more than that?
I can think of maybe one poster who predicted an 18-2 Big East record and he's one of the more knowledgeable ones here. That's no match for the typical overreactions after an ugly loss.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2023, 08:39:51 AM
I can think of maybe one poster who predicted an 18-2 Big East record and he's one of the more knowledgeable ones here. That's no match for the typical overreactions after an ugly loss.
Do you count coming on to call people names and make mature comments about the size of their penis in the overreaction category? We all handle our disappointment and frustration in various ways. Some criticize the team. Some choose to have the maturity of a middle school boy. We all know which path you follow when disappointed and frustrated.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 21, 2023, 04:52:59 AM
we will see who the real men are and i just don't mean the players. i mean some of the so called "fans" here on the board. ya'll know who you are. it's fair to criticize. there is a difference between criticism and being dumb fair weather fans. there are some on here i've never seen before...or only when something not so good occurs
I accept scoop to be scoop... but this is the one thing that drives me nuts. This board is unreadable after many L's because of all the Scoop-roaches that come crawling out as if we just turned off the lights in a dirty motel room. You never see them when the lights are on, but one loss and suddenly they blow up the board like it's the end of the world.
It's insufferable at times, and takes away any interesting criticism/dissection of the loss that could be had.
Quote from: Farley36 on December 21, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
You're an embarrassing idiot with an inferiority complex due to your micro phallis and it causes you to lash out and act like a 12 year old.
yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Decrying name calling and accusing others of acting like 12 year olds while name calling and like a 12 year old is so ironic it is almost meta.
I noticed that UConn shot 4-21 from 3 in their road loss to Seton Hall. Should they...
Fire Hurley?
Scrap their offensive philosophy?
Only let certain people shoot?
Completely scramble their rotations?
Assume the 2-6 stretch from last year is back and is their new normal?
Predict a 9 loss conference season?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 10:29:24 AM
I noticed that UConn shot 4-21 from 3 in their road loss to Seton Hall. Should they...
Fire Hurley?
Scrap their offensive philosophy?
Only let certain people shoot?
Completely scramble their rotations?
Assume the 2-6 stretch from last year is back and is their new normal?
Predict a 9 loss conference season?
Asking for a friend.
It's better to just stay away from the scoop meltdowns after a loss.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 10:29:24 AM
I noticed that UConn shot 4-21 from 3 in their road loss to Seton Hall. Should they...
Fire Hurley?
Scrap their offensive philosophy?
Only let certain people shoot?
Completely scramble their rotations?
Assume the 2-6 stretch from last year is back and is their new normal?
Predict a 9 loss conference season?
Asking for a friend.
Didn't they lose Clingan during the game? Think that made a difference?
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 21, 2023, 11:01:53 AM
Didn't they lose Clingan during the game? Think that made a difference?
In their 3 point shooting percentage? Probably not.
It did. They were already losing when he went out and it snowballed after that.
You didn't answer the question. What should UConn do about shooting 4-21 from 3?
And why leave scoop after a loss? That is when character is revealed.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 11:06:01 AM
It did. They were already losing when he went out and it snowballed after that.
You didn't answer the question. What should UConn do about shooting 4-21 from 3?
And why leave scoop after a loss? That is when character is revealed.
I mean if we are gonna run comparisons can they at least be somewhat comparable??
Cam Spencer had an off night. Sean Jones cant shoot any night.
Like cmon.
Glorious. Well done. The comparison was for specific games where the two perceived Big East frontrunners shot poorly and similarly from 3. Your scoopy comment was to defend UConn and tear down an MU player. Quintessential scoop.
I watched the second half. Samson Johnson (backup to Clingan) had hands of stone and he can't shoot the ball unless its a dunk. Karaban was atrocious as well. Just goes to show you that any team can be beaten on any night. And its not like Seton Hall has a massive home court advantage like PC does.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 10:29:24 AM
I noticed that UConn shot 4-21 from 3 in their road loss to Seton Hall. Should they...
Fire Hurley?
Scrap their offensive philosophy?
Only let certain people shoot?
Completely scramble their rotations?
Assume the 2-6 stretch from last year is back and is their new normal?
Predict a 9 loss conference season?
Asking for a friend.
Ha! Made me laugh.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 11:13:06 AM
Glorious. Well done. The comparison was for specific games where the two perceived Big East frontrunners shot poorly and similarly from 3. Your scoopy comment was to defend UConn and tear down an MU player. Quintessential scoop.
No it was to prove a point that you are shifting goal posts subjectively. People have acted rash about a lot of things mostly some implying that we all of a sudden are lucky to win 11 BE games. But the notion that most of our non top 3 players shouldnt have auto green lights, its nuts. The numbers dont lie. And comparing them to a off night for Cam Spencer is flat out incompetent.
You said that because Uconn went 4/21 ONE GAME that Uconn should have players not shoot anymore.
MU has guys who havent shot all year. Thats just fact.
But yeah I guess if we are going to use insane logic then I guess over the weekend when Steph Curry went 0/8 from 3 that means no player in the NBA should ever shoot 3s again because Steph couldnt make them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2023, 11:23:12 AM
No it was to prove a point that you are shifting goal posts subjectively. People have acted rash about a lot of things mostly some implying that we all of a sudden are lucky to win 11 BE games. But the notion that most of our non top 3 players shouldnt have auto green lights, its nuts. The numbers dont lie. And comparing them to a off night for Cam Spencer is flat out incompetent.
You said that because Uconn went 4/21 ONE GAME that Uconn should have players not shoot anymore.
MU has guys who havent shot all year. Thats just fact.
But yeah I guess if we are going to use insane logic then I guess over the weekend when Steph Curry went 0/8 from 3 that means no player in the NBA should ever shoot 3s again because Steph couldnt make them.
You're missing his point completely. Kam, Joplin, and Ross went 1 - 11 from 3. Not sure what Sean Jones has do with the point Tower is making.
He's completley right in that you're making excuses for UConn that you didn't make for Marquette in spite of a very similar performance on the road.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2023, 11:23:12 AM
No it was to prove a point that you are shifting goal posts subjectively. People have acted rash about a lot of things mostly some implying that we all of a sudden are lucky to win 11 BE games. But the notion that most of our non top 3 players shouldnt have auto green lights, its nuts. The numbers dont lie. And comparing them to a off night for Cam Spencer is flat out incompetent.
You said that because Uconn went 4/21 ONE GAME that Uconn should have players not shoot anymore.
MU has guys who havent shot all year. Thats just fact.
But yeah I guess if we are going to use insane logic then I guess over the weekend when Steph Curry went 0/8 from 3 that means no player in the NBA should ever shoot 3s again because Steph couldnt make them.
No, I mocked scoopers.
UConn 100-303 from 3 for the season.
MU 100-304 from 3 for the season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2023, 08:39:51 AM
I can think of maybe one poster who predicted an 18-2 Big East record and he's one of the more knowledgeable ones here. That's no match for the typical overreactions after an ugly loss.
16 (13.8%) of the posters who voted in the poll on this site predicted 0-2 losses.
I don't understand why you or anyone else cares if people express their opinions even if you think they are over the top negative. If you don't like them just roll your eyes and move on.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2023, 01:23:43 PM
UConn 100-303 from 3 for the season.
MU 100-304 from 3 for the season.
See, they're much better from 3 than we are.
So you're burnt!!!!
Nah, I know burnt. This is just rosy sore cheeks from laughing so hard.
Quote from: wisblue on December 21, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
16 (13.8%) of the posters who voted in the poll on this site predicted 0-2 losses.
I don't understand why you or anyone else cares if people express their opinions even if you think they are over the top negative. If you don't like them just roll your eyes and move on.
I don't understand why you or anyone else cares when I or anyone else disagree with those over-the-top negative opinions. It is a public message board, after all. If you don't like it just roll your eyes and move on.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 21, 2023, 11:01:53 AM
Didn't they lose Clingan during the game? Think that made a difference?
Did they lose Clingan when they were going 2-6 for most of a month last season?
I'll answer that for you - nope! They also had Sanogo, Hawkins, Karaban, Newton, Jackson and the rest of the team that had gotten off to a hot start before the 2-6 stretch and that rebounded from the 2-6 stretch to win the national title.
Even real good team lose sometimes, especially on the road.
Is it OK for some of us to not panic at least till we get to January?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2023, 02:09:42 PM
I don't understand why you or anyone else cares when I or anyone else disagree with those over-the-top negative opinions. It is a public message board, after all. If you don't like it just roll your eyes and move on.
Usually I do ignore them but when they make factually inaccurate statements I'm more inclined to point that out.
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2023, 02:04:28 PM
See, they're much better from 3 than we are.
So you're burnt!!!!
I think Nevada should be fired
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 21, 2023, 05:27:57 PM
I think Nevada should be fired
Gambling on finding someone better.
UConn has had 1 stinker all season.
MU has had 4 stinkers. 3 of them in the last 5 games.
There are legitimate concerns with MU right now (assuming you expect them to be high seed this season) and UConn playing their first bad game of the season has nothing to do with MUs struggles.
It doesn't mean that it's irrevesible or that we are doomed but dismissing it as "one bad game" when 33% of our games have been bad games (and another 33% have been cupcake blowouts) is illogical.
We need Stevie back. We need to limit sean jones minutes. We need Jop to go back to catch and shoot. We need Chase and Stevie to hit at least 33% of their open threes. We need to relearn how to pass in transition. Do even half that and we'll be a top 10 team again
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 22, 2023, 09:46:24 AM
UConn has had 1 stinker all season.
MU has had 4 stinkers. 3 of them in the last 5 games.
There are legitimate concerns with MU right now (assuming you expect them to be high seed this season) and UConn playing their first bad game of the season has nothing to do with MUs struggles.
It doesn't mean that it's irrevesible or that we are doomed but dismissing it as "one bad game" when 33% of our games have been bad games (and another 33% have been cupcake blowouts) is illogical.
We need Stevie back. We need to limit sean jones minutes. We need Jop to go back to catch and shoot. We need Chase and Stevie to hit at least 33% of their open threes. We need to relearn how to pass in transition. Do even half that and we'll be a top 10 team again
I'd also remind folks that MU was down double digits to UCLA and Purdue. MU has the talent but not the consistency and cohesiveness.
Break is a chance to work on it but besides our shooting woes, teams have adjusted their defenses. Need to self-scout and adjust our tendencies as well. Two out of three shots in the paint are to the left, for example.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 22, 2023, 09:46:24 AM
UConn has had 1 stinker all season.
MU has had 4 stinkers. 3 of them in the last 5 games.
There are legitimate concerns with MU right now (assuming you expect them to be high seed this season) and UConn playing their first bad game of the season has nothing to do with MUs struggles.
It doesn't mean that it's irrevesible or that we are doomed but dismissing it as "one bad game" when 33% of our games have been bad games (and another 33% have been cupcake blowouts) is illogical.
We need Stevie back. We need to limit sean jones minutes. We need Jop to go back to catch and shoot. We need Chase and Stevie to hit at least 33% of their open threes. We need to relearn how to pass in transition. Do even half that and we'll be a top 10 team again
We need to play better if we're to be serious national title contenders, yes.