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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: rgoode57 on September 26, 2023, 09:05:11 AM
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I have absolutely no problem with student athletes making money. And, I am totally aware that there has always been under the table money paid to a lot of athletes in one form or another. I initially thought that allowing athletes to get NIL payments was a fine idea. But, I was not expecting what it has turned out to be - an unrestricted pay-for-play system.
Maybe I should have expected it, but I didn't. Call me naive.
My problem is that 1) there are apparently no limits or regulations that schools are required to follow; and 2) athletes are being outright paid to play rather than simply being paid to do commercials or whatever for the local pizza joint.
I saw where Xavier went out and got themselves a new big man from Europe - a month after classes had started. I personally don't see how you start classes a month late and qualify to play basketball that same semester. But, it seems like anything goes now.
Can we be that far away from athletes not even enrolling in classes and just becoming paid employees of the school?
Does the NCAA actually do anything anymore other than put its name on a basketball tournament?
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The ncaa needs to decide if they want fall in line and mimic American pro sport structure with significant salary regulation or follow more of a euro soccer model where the highest wage bills win 98% of the trophies.
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I'm worried that if NIL continues to go unregulated that all the big money schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky will start winning all the recruiting battles.
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I saw where Xavier went out and got themselves a new big man from Europe - a month after classes had started. I personally don't see how you start classes a month late and qualify to play basketball that same semester. But, it seems like anything goes now.
I wondered about Xavier too. Not sure how that got approved. That being said, this has nothing to do with NIL.
Can we be that far away from athletes not even enrolling in classes and just becoming paid employees of the school?
Yes, we can be very far away from that. The current model benefits both parties tremendously, neither side has any reason to change.
Does the NCAA actually do anything anymore other than put its name on a basketball tournament?
Yes.
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All this nonsense about letting freshmen play. The next thing you know, dunking will be legal and they'll start playing with some kind of dadgum shot clock!
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Imagine what Joey Hauser would get
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Imagine what Joey Hauser would get
I had never seen one second of Joey Hauser, so back when Sam was an MU sophomore I asked Scoop something like, "It's hard to believe that Joey actually is better than Sam. Is he?" And there were lots of "yes he is" answers. So sure, if Joey were coming out of SPASH now and had the same level of hype, he'd have gotten a ton.
NIL is gonna help lots of programs buy lots of great talent ... but it's also gonna result in big paydays for lots Joey-like underachievers.
Of course, that's what the under-the-table operators dealt with forever. Who knows ... maybe even Al paid a few slugs.
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I'm worried that if NIL continues to go unregulated that all the big money schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky will start winning all the recruiting battles.
Bravo ;D
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I had never seen one second of Joey Hauser, so back when Sam was an MU sophomore I asked Scoop something like, "It's hard to believe that Joey actually is better than Sam. Is he?" And there were lots of "yes he is" answers. So sure, if Joey were coming out of SPASH now and had the same level of hype, he'd have gotten a ton.
NIL is gonna help lots of programs buy lots of great talent ... but it's also gonna result in big paydays for lots Joey-like underachievers.
Of course, that's what the under-the-table operators dealt with forever. Who knows ... maybe even Al paid a few slugs.
Al never recruited kids who didn’t have cracked sidewalks
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I'm worried that if NIL continues to go unregulated that all the big money schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky will start winning all the recruiting battles.
NIL doesn’t change where these teams sit. Barring catastrophic drop offs, they’ll always be near or at the top. Free spending lets teams like Miami turn themselves into bonafide contenders when they weren’t before.
I don’t have a problem with NIL, but saying it doesn’t change the landscape is wrong.
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Al never recruited kids who didn’t have cracked sidewalks
Wrong. Al recruited a kid from Brookfield who North Carolina badly wanted, hey?
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Wrong. Al recruited a kid from Brookfield who South Carolina badly wanted, hey?
That’s not true. Read his quotes. Thats why we need an aircraft carrier.
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If NIL existed back then, maybe Chones has food in his refrigerator and stays at MU through the end of the season
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If NIL existed back then, maybe Chones has food in his refrigerator and stays at MU through the end of the season
Seashells and balloons, aina?
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Wrong. Al recruited a kid from Brookfield who South Carolina badly wanted, hey?
A trip down memory lane for that Brookfield recruit
https://m.facebook.com/AlMcGuiresWarriors/photos/a.528174263961728/2261788597266944/?type=3
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NIL was always going to be used to recruit. Until players receive the compensation that the marketplace dictates, it will continue to be used that way.
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If NIL existed back then, maybe Chones has food in his refrigerator and stays at MU through the end of the season
If freshmen could play and one-and-done was a thing, Chones woulda been gone after one year.
Even if Al punched him in the face.
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If freshmen could play and one-and-done was a thing, Chones woulda been gone after one year.
Even if Al punched him in the face.
We’d have gotten Mark Aguirre if we had NIL back then and Majerus would have gotten Joe Wolf and we’d be in the ACC
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A trip down memory lane for that Brookfield recruit
https://m.facebook.com/AlMcGuiresWarriors/photos/a.528174263961728/2261788597266944/?type=3
Hermie, Frank McGuire was hot after #12, aina?
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A trip down memory lane for that Brookfield recruit
https://m.facebook.com/AlMcGuiresWarriors/photos/a.528174263961728/2261788597266944/?type=3
Wouldn’t have been a loss. Never won a natty with him
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Hermie, Frank McGuire was hot after #12, aina?
Wonder how the Gamecock Brawl would have played out in that scenario?
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All this nonsense about letting freshmen play. The next thing you know, dunking will be legal and they'll start playing with some kind of dadgum shot clock!
...and OMG they'll start recruiting black players.
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Al never recruited kids who didn’t have cracked sidewalks
No sidewalks in Arizona
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NIL was the Trojan Hoarse for pay for play. The premise of treating athletes like other student was a facade. Good for the players.
I will disagree with many other here concerning the future of players being students of the schools. The rumblings of discrimination in the current systems will only grow but, more importantly, the underpinnings of the argument that certain people are being excluded due to academic requirements that have nothing to do with sports has been enhanced by the pay for play reality. "Why should John be excluded from making money playing basketball because he can not score 17 on the ACT?" Groups of people have been successful in reducing or eliminating eligibility requirements in other areas due to the requirements not being essential or relevant to those positions.
If we are going to embrace the professional nature of "student" athletes, we need to fully embrace it. Seems to me that some want old system they are comfortable with and is unfair to others.
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If we are going to embrace the professional nature of "student" athletes, we need to fully embrace it. Seems to me that some want old system they are comfortable with and is unfair to others.
What "others" is the current system "unfair" to?
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What "others" is the current system "unfair" to?
Others are those who don't have the ability to be students at a school.
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No doubt we are rapidly approaching the point where no one will even pretend to be a student / athlete anymore and players will become mere employees of the universities. I fully accept that as inevitable. Not that anyone will notice, but when it happens, I will cease to be a college hoops fan because it will then be college hoops in name only.
There is something so appealing about the concept of purely amateur athletics that I find it very sad to see it so casually discarded. Too bad there is not a way to find the balance between NIL, which many players sorely need, and amateurism. But, I have now lived too long to think that, where money is involved, there are any well conceived, balanced solutions.
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No doubt we are rapidly approaching the point where no one will even pretend to be a student / athlete anymore and players will become mere employees of the universities. I fully accept that as inevitable. Not that anyone will notice, but when it happens, I will cease to be a college hoops fan because it will then be college hoops in name only.
There is something so appealing about the concept of purely amateur athletics that I find it very sad to see it so casually discarded. Too bad there is not a way to find the balance between NIL, which many players sorely need, and amateurism. But, I have now lived too long to think that, where money is involved, there are any well conceived, balanced solutions.
We didn’t have what you describe prior to NIL—the new system just doesn’t allow one to look the other way or pretend otherwise.
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Wouldn’t have been a loss. Never won a natty with him
You’re thinking of Markus. Never won a single NCAA tournament game with him.
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What is America’s fascination with amateurism? That it’s noble to be good at something and do it for free? Fine. Universal healthcare across the board. Farmers grow crops for free. Cops protect for free. Teachers teach for free.
American Puritanism, man. Don’t get paid for being good at a leisure activity. But love capitalism and other forms of greed
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You’re thinking of Markus. Never won a single NCAA tournament game with him.
Like Sam Hauser’s college career at MU and Virginia. Program killer.
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What is America’s fascination with amateurism? That it’s noble to be good at something and do it for free? Fine. Universal healthcare across the board. Farmers grow crops for free. Cops protect for free. Teachers teach for free.
American Puritanism, man. Don’t get paid for being good at a leisure activity. But love capitalism and other forms of greed
Your definition of “free” is not appropriate
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No doubt we are rapidly approaching the point where no one will even pretend to be a student / athlete anymore and players will become mere employees of the universities. I fully accept that as inevitable. Not that anyone will notice, but when it happens, I will cease to be a college hoops fan because it will then be college hoops in name only.
There is something so appealing about the concept of purely amateur athletics that I find it very sad to see it so casually discarded. Too bad there is not a way to find the balance between NIL, which many players sorely need, and amateurism. But, I have now lived too long to think that, where money is involved, there are any well conceived, balanced solutions.
What you perceive as being balanced, other perceive as being oppressive, restrictive and anti-free market or anti-American.
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Your definition of “free” is not appropriate
I agree. I think he was making a point in that post, but it was lost on me.
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Your definition of “free” is not appropriate
Spare me the college education B.S.
America’s fascination with amateurism extends well beyond college athletic scholarships. Professional golfers were treated like lepers for a long time by the country club set. Professional sports careers were once looked at as a low form of career.
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I agree. I think he was making a point in that post, but it was lost on me.
We’re the only country in the world obsessed with amateurism
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Let the young kids entertain us for free so the rich white TV execs can swim around in cash. Ah, I too miss those days.
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Others are those who don't have the ability to be students at a school.
I'm honestly confused. Who doesn't have the ability to be students at a school?
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Let the young kids entertain us for free so the rich white TV execs can swim around in cash. Ah, I too miss those days.
bUt tHeY pLaY FoR ThE nAMe oN the fRoNt of the jErSeY
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Y’all mad about NIL could focus your energy on the ones that could have regulated it decades ago but instead hid behind the shield of amateurism with a complicit public, half of which today is terrified by the educated.
Nah, it’s the athletes at fault who aren’t grateful for that education we’re all terrified of. Certainly not the NCAA, the institutions or TV. Definitely not them.
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I'm honestly confused. Who doesn't have the ability to be students at a school?
I don't know if they have a list of prospects that don't qualify academically. Many go the JC rout and drop out even if they have D1 ability. Even a year or 2 at the JC level will not generate the pay at D1, so they are missing out on earnings due to academics.
We know that if Derrick Rose didn't have someone take the ACT for him he would not have played at Memphis.
I don't understand the strange fascination with the truly elite players when it comes to NIL, pay for play and academic requirements. I concede that top 100 basketball players will "find a way" to get eligible, but how many players who could play at Eastern Michigan get passed over for other who have qualified? People seem to think whatever happens at Duke or Alabama is the reality for all college athletes.
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I don't know if they have a list of prospects that don't qualify academically. Many go the JC rout and drop out even if they have D1 ability. Even a year or 2 at the JC level will not generate the pay at D1, so they are missing out on earnings due to academics.
We know that if Derrick Rose didn't have someone take the ACT for him he would not have played at Memphis.
I don't understand the strange fascination with the truly elite players when it comes to NIL, pay for play and academic requirements. I concede that top 100 basketball players will "find a way" to get eligible, but how many players who could play at Eastern Michigan get passed over for other who have qualified? People seem to think whatever happens at Duke or Alabama is the reality for all college athletes.
Would scoop exist without basketball? College athletics is as robust as it is because of the athletes, not the institutions
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Would scoop exist without basketball? College athletics is as robust as it is because of the athletes, not the institutions
That is an interesting question; do we watch because of players or the school?
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That is an interesting question; do we watch because of players or the school?
The players. Without high level athletes, no one is paying TV rights. It’s why DIII and the such aren’t on TV, why non-revenue sports aren’t on TV.
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The players. Without high level athletes, no one is paying TV rights. It’s why DIII and the such aren’t on TV, why non-revenue sports aren’t on TV.
I mean, no one would be watching it if it would just minor league either. The college / university has a brand that drives the audience too.
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No doubt we are rapidly approaching the point where no one will even pretend to be a student / athlete anymore and players will become mere employees of the universities. I fully accept that as inevitable. Not that anyone will notice, but when it happens, I will cease to be a college hoops fan because it will then be college hoops in name only.
There is something so appealing about the concept of purely amateur athletics that I find it very sad to see it so casually discarded. Too bad there is not a way to find the balance between NIL, which many players sorely need, and amateurism. But, I have now lived too long to think that, where money is involved, there are any well conceived, balanced solutions.
I doubt student athletes will ever be employees because of the liabilities involved.
There is absolutely nothing appealing about amateurism IMO. I actually think its perverse. And I think the majority of people agree with my POV since college football ratings are off the charts this year.
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We’re the only country in the world obsessed with amateurism
The country of Greece is on line one.
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I mean, no one would be watching it if it would just minor league either. The college / university has a brand that drives the audience too.
Brands in college athletics are changing on a yearly basis. Hello, Colorado. What was Oregon before Nike money?
Nebraska football used to be a brand.
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I don't know if they have a list of prospects that don't qualify academically. Many go the JC rout and drop out even if they have D1 ability. Even a year or 2 at the JC level will not generate the pay at D1, so they are missing out on earnings due to academics.
We know that if Derrick Rose didn't have someone take the ACT for him he would not have played at Memphis.
I don't understand the strange fascination with the truly elite players when it comes to NIL, pay for play and academic requirements. I concede that top 100 basketball players will "find a way" to get eligible, but how many players who could play at Eastern Michigan get passed over for other who have qualified? People seem to think whatever happens at Duke or Alabama is the reality for all college athletes.
I really don't see any of this as unfair or any way that this will somehow lead schools or congress to championing turning student athletes into employees. "Let's get rid of hundreds of thousands of athletic scholarships because the tiny handful of potential players who can't qualify academically at the lowest D1 schools but may be good enough to play sports there?" There are paths to eligibility for students who don't qualify right out of a grad school. There are also leagues they can join that don't have academic requirements.
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Brands in college athletics are changing on a yearly basis. Hello, Colorado. What was Oregon before Nike money?
Nebraska football used to be a brand.
Nebraska football is a brand. There are thousands of people in the stands and millions watching on television. You take that Nebraska name off the front, and have them play in some off-campus site in Lincoln, do you think anyone is watching? Of course not, because then its just minor league football.
Look, I get that the players are a valuable part of the process and should get paid what the market demands, but a lot of that market demand is based on who the player is playing for. You can't really dispute that.
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Nebraska football is a brand. There are thousands of people in the stands and millions watching on television. You take that Nebraska name off the front, and have them play in some off-campus site in Lincoln, do you think anyone is watching? Of course not, because then its just minor league football.
Look, I get that the players are a valuable part of the process and should get paid what the market demands, but a lot of that market demand is based on who the player is playing for. You can't really dispute that.
Without top players? You better believe Nebraska isn’t a brand. If it wasn’t for the players, whatever brand Nebraska is, wouldn’t exist.
And the fact they’ve had bad teams for 20 years plus, is why at best, they’re a Top-40 brand in college football. If someone is watching Nebraska that isn’t a Nebraska fan, it’s because their team is playing them.
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Without top players? You better believe Nebraska isn’t a brand. If it wasn’t for the players, whatever brand Nebraska is, wouldn’t exist.
And the fact they’ve had bad teams for 20 years plus, is why at best, they’re a Top-40 brand in college football. If someone is watching Nebraska that isn’t a Nebraska fan, it’s because their team is playing them.
Nebraska fan base put up big money back in the day for skilled players from large urban centers . Some of those key funding sources have gone dry over the last twenty years as the individuals putting up the money died and their families did not continue with the funding.
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Nebraska fan base put up big money back in the day for skilled players from large urban centers . Some of those key funding sources have gone dry over the last twenty years as the individuals putting up the money died and their families did not continue with the funding.
And they were afraid of Texas
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At the highest levels of college football, men's basketball, and in select instances in a few other sports, there is a symbiotic relationship between the schools and the players. Both need each other and both won't succeed without each other.
Everywhere else in college sports, the players need the schools a lot more than the schools need them.
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Nebraska football is a brand. There are thousands of people in the stands and millions watching on television. You take that Nebraska name off the front, and have them play in some off-campus site in Lincoln, do you think anyone is watching? Of course not, because then its just minor league football.
Look, I get that the players are a valuable part of the process and should get paid what the market demands, but a lot of that market demand is based on who the player is playing for. You can't really dispute that.
Agree: Example #1, G-league basketball attendance:Compare that to P-6 basketball attendance
Numbers are total attendance, average attendance
1. Texas Legends Frisco, TX Dallas Mavericks 140,156 5,840
2. Iowa Wolves Des Moines, IA Minnesota Timberwolves 99,552 4,148
3. Rio Grande Valley Vipers Edinburg, TX Houston Rockets 89,993 3,750
4. Raptors 905 Mississauga, ON Toronto Raptors 88,578 3,691
5. Mexico City Capitanes Mexico City, Mexico 87,390 3,641
6. Grand Rapids Gold Grand Rapids, MI Denver Nuggets 78,081 3,253
7. Austin Spurs Cedar Park, TX San Antonio Spurs 70,932 2,956
8. Cleveland Charge Cleveland, OH Cleveland Cavaliers 68,760 2,865
9. Wisconsin Herd Oshkosh, WI Milwaukee Bucks 68,319 2,847
10. G League Ignite Henderson, NV 67,014 2,792
11. Birmingham Squadron Birmingham, AL New Orleans Pelicans 65,682 2,737
12. Santa Cruz Warriors Santa Cruz, CA Golden State Warriors 62,046 2,585
13. Windy City Bulls Hoffman Estates, IL Chicago Bulls 60,605 2,525
14. Long Island Nets Uniondale, NY Brooklyn Nets 51,906 2,163
15. Sioux Falls Skyforce Sioux Falls, SD Miami Heat 50,429 2,101
16. Maine Celtics Portland, ME Boston Celtics 50,256 2,094
17. Fort Wayne Fort Wayne, IN / Indianapolis, IN Indiana Pacers 49,103 2,046
18. Lakeland Magic Lakeland, FL Orlando Magic 48,100 2,004
19. Oklahoma City Blue Oklahoma City, OK Oklahoma City Thunder 46,194 1,925
20. Salt Lake City Stars West Valley City, UT / Salt Lake City, UT Utah Jazz 44,139 1,839
21. College Park Skyhawks College Park, GA Atlanta Hawks 38,987 1,624
22. Stockton Kings Stockton, CA Sacramento Kings 35,981 1,499
23. Greensboro Swarm Greensboro, NC Charlotte Hornets 33,790 1,408
24. Delaware Blue Coats Wilmington, DE Philadelphia 76ers 33,766 1,407
25. Motor City Cruise Detroit, MI Detroit Pistons 30,391 1,266
26. Memphis Hustle Southaven, MS Memphis Grizzlies 26,257 1,094
27. Capital City Go-Go Washington, D.C. Washington Wizards 25,837 1,076
28. Ontario Clippers Ontario, CA Los Angeles Clippers 24,281 1,012
29. Westchester Knicks Bridgeport, CT New York Knicks 17,052 711
30. South Bay Lakers El Segundo, CA Los Angeles Lakers 10,585 441
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Without top players? You better believe Nebraska isn’t a brand. If it wasn’t for the players, whatever brand Nebraska is, wouldn’t exist.
No kidding. I never claimed otherwise.
And the fact they’ve had bad teams for 20 years plus, is why at best, they’re a Top-40 brand in college football. If someone is watching Nebraska that isn’t a Nebraska fan, it’s because their team is playing them.
Yeah, but Nebraska fans DO watch. They count right?
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Let the young kids entertain us for free so the rich white TV execs can swim around in cash. Ah, I too miss those days.
no rich black tv execs? Damn cracker, right?
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White dudes like wads luv 2 play the race card
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White dudes like wads luv 2 play the race card
Wade's doesn't believe black people should be rich or tv execs.
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The reality is most TV execs are white men.
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The reality is most TV execs are white men.
…your point?
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The reality is most TV execs are white men.
And most basketball players are black. Maybe you should start qualifying those statements with race too.
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And most basketball players are black. Maybe you should start qualifying those statements with race too.
Correct. So the young black college student athletes should go back to appreciating what they have and let all those rich white men keep all that money.
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Correct. So the young black college student athletes should go back to appreciating what they have and let all those rich white men keep all that money.
Your words not mine. Pretty pathetic imo
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Your words not mine. Pretty pathetic imo
Agreed. Finally got through to your head apparently.
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Agreed. Finally got through to your head apparently.
My facetious statement made in jest is pathetic as was your serious one. Do the math genius
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My facetious statement made in jest is pathetic as was your serious one. Do the math genius
You’re really struggling here.
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You’re really struggling here.
Nice try….
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Wades, tell us the bed time story of how the dirty Jews are ruining the world.
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I read about nil and Marquette and wonder how much the players are receiving. I know it is self employment income and they are receiving forms 1099- NEC. That is non employee compensation. I do not know how many entities are sending out these forms to the players. I hear rumors about large sums of money paid to athletes from other schools. I have no idea. Are we talking totals for our men basketball players of 3,4,5,6,7 figures. For some is the amount 0? Is this a big dark secret or are there facts or speculation? For MU I don’t have a clue- by the way self employment income is highly taxed with self employment tax of 15.3% on top of Federal income tax and state income tax. State of residency probably comes into play. That could be a can of worms.
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Correct. So the young black college student athletes should go back to appreciating what they have and let all those rich white men keep all that money.
must suck being that young black college student athlete when you can’t make baskets or score touchdowns for the team anymore, hey? I mean, rich whitie gonna kick ya to the curb and to a life of pimpin’, jackin’ and dealin’. Damn white man and his privilege. Right?
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must suck being that young black college student athlete when you can’t make baskets or score touchdowns for the team anymore, hey? I mean, rich whitie gonna kick ya to the curb and to a life of pimpin’, jackin’ and dealin’. Damn white man and his privilege. Right?
I don’t know exactly what point you’re trying to make here, but I do know it wasn’t worth trying to make it in this fashion.
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I don’t know exactly what point you’re trying to make here, but I do know it wasn’t worth trying to make it in this fashion.
…sure. My point, albeit maybe not made in the best way, is simply that wadesworld seems to often play the race card and stereotypes. So, was trying to make a point that playing race card/stereotyping is garbage.
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I read about nil and Marquette and wonder how much the players are receiving. I know it is self employment income and they are receiving forms 1099- NEC. That is non employee compensation. I do not know how many entities are sending out these forms to the players. I hear rumors about large sums of money paid to athletes from other schools. I have no idea. Are we talking totals for our men basketball players of 3,4,5,6,7 figures. For some is the amount 0? Is this a big dark secret or are there facts or speculation? For MU I don’t have a clue- by the way self employment income is highly taxed with self employment tax of 15.3% on top of Federal income tax and state income tax. State of residency probably comes into play. That could be a can of worms.
It is an issue now, but may not surface for quite some time. Then, we’ll start hearing about student athletes who are shocked to “learn” they owe back taxes and penalties, and the blame game will be played. It’s gonna be a mess
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It is an issue now, but may not surface for quite some time. Then, we’ll start hearing about student athletes who are shocked to “learn” they owe back taxes and penalties, and the blame game will be played. It’s gonna be a mess
Yeah, the people in charge could have prevented this instead of hiding behind “but AmAtEuRiSm”. Anyone with half a brain, apparently not those in charge of college athletics, knew this day would arrive.
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It is an issue now, but may not surface for quite some time. Then, we’ll start hearing about student athletes who are shocked to “learn” they owe back taxes and penalties, and the blame game will be played. It’s gonna be a mess
And their parents who are getting $100,000 travel packages.
Still struggling how conferences are getting the IRS "amateur" non-profit exemption?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for NIL but this is a tax morass I agree.
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There is a finite amount of money that flows into athletic departments.
The question is how is it spent. The reality is it all has to be spent every single year.
Recently it was an arms race of facilities; hyperbaric chambers, NFL level weight rooms, top chef kitchens, $700,000 strength and conditioning coaches, etc.
Now SOME of that money is going to flow into NIL. Kids are going to make $200,000 but the woodway treadmill they run on will be 2 years old. The S&C coach may not have gotten a 25% raise last year. Etc. Etc.
All we're doing is moving money around. So do you want to replace the elipical machines every year or do you want Kam Jones to earn six figures?
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…sure. My point, albeit maybe not made in the best way, is simply that wadesworld seems to often play the race card and stereotypes. So, was trying to make a point that playing race card/stereotyping is garbage.
I do?
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There is a finite amount of money that flows into athletic departments.
The question is how is it spent. The reality is it all has to be spent every single year.
Recently it was an arms race of facilities; hyperbaric chambers, NFL level weight rooms, top chef kitchens, $700,000 strength and conditioning coaches, etc.
Now SOME of that money is going to flow into NIL. Kids are going to make $200,000 but the woodway treadmill they run on will be 2 years old. The S&C coach may not have gotten a 25% raise last year. Etc. Etc.
All we're doing is moving money around. So do you want to replace the elipical machines every year or do you want Kam Jones to earn six figures?
Lens
I agree up to a point - no doubt some of the old flow will simply be redirected. But in addition there be a major increase in the flow. Some people actually have compunctions about doing things that are illegal. Paying players was one of those things. With that barrier gone it’s an entirely new computation.
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Lens
I agree up to a point - no doubt some of the old flow will simply be redirected. But in addition there be a major increase in the flow. Some people actually have compunctions about doing things that are illegal. Paying players was one of those things. With that barrier gone it’s an entirely new computation.
So you think there were potential boosters out there sitting on their cash and only now releasing it bc of NIL?
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So you think there were potential boosters out there sitting on their cash and only now releasing it bc of NIL?
Those boosters were already paying players.
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There is a finite amount of money that flows into athletic departments.
The question is how is it spent. The reality is it all has to be spent every single year.
Recently it was an arms race of facilities; hyperbaric chambers, NFL level weight rooms, top chef kitchens, $700,000 strength and conditioning coaches, etc.
Now SOME of that money is going to flow into NIL. Kids are going to make $200,000 but the woodway treadmill they run on will be 2 years old. The S&C coach may not have gotten a 25% raise last year. Etc. Etc.
All we're doing is moving money around. So do you want to replace the elipical machines every year or do you want Kam Jones to earn six figures?
I realize not everyone is playing by the rules, but I’m positive there is ‘new money’ coming in that was not in the past. 100% positive. This is not simply a redistribution of finite funds.
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I realize not everyone is playing by the rules, but I’m positive there is ‘new money’ coming in that was not in the past. 100% positive. This is not simply a redistribution of finite funds.
I agree. Even the MU-related Be the Difference NIL is asking for donations. That money is not going through the athletic department, and if I choose to donate to that, in order to support players, it is something I've never done in the past. It would be new money coming in. Like JayBee, I'm sure that some folks have contributed to BTD that never helped pay players under the table.
Those boosters were already paying players.
So, no, not all those boomers were already paying players.
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"I'm going to answer your question with a question. How does a player from a poor family fly home when his mother or father dies? Well, the kid's got to get home."
—- Al McGuire, when asked if he was aware of any alumnus giving a player favors after he arrived
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There is a finite amount of money that flows into athletic departments.
The question is how is it spent. The reality is it all has to be spent every single year.
Recently it was an arms race of facilities; hyperbaric chambers, NFL level weight rooms, top chef kitchens, $700,000 strength and conditioning coaches, etc.
Now SOME of that money is going to flow into NIL. Kids are going to make $200,000 but the woodway treadmill they run on will be 2 years old. The S&C coach may not have gotten a 25% raise last year. Etc. Etc.
All we're doing is moving money around. So do you want to replace the elipical machines every year or do you want Kam Jones to earn six figures?
I think it'll be interesting to see how it all settles in. Right now, I agree that a lot of money is being redirected into players' bank accounts that previously would have been spent on facilities, equipment, etc. In the coming years, I suspect a new "floor" will develop that will be the going rate for players. But eventually, I think the facilities arms race will resume. Programs will continue to search for ways to differentiate themselves in addition to NIL payments. Getting paid won't stop the athletes from wanting the very best of everything. Note: this isn't a criticism of the athletes.
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So you think there were potential boosters out there sitting on their cash and only now releasing it bc of NIL?
Yes I do. I think JayBee and Lennys are right about this. I think making the case for giving student athletes money versus building or remodeling yet another athletic facility is a different enough case that it will draw in different donors.
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Yes I do. I think JayBee and Lennys are right about this. I think making the case for giving student athletes money versus building or remodeling yet another athletic facility is a different enough case that it will draw in different donors.
Agree, and dont forget about the fund to steer SAs away from Madison.
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I agree. Even the MU-related Be the Difference NIL is asking for donations. That money is not going through the athletic department, and if I choose to donate to that, in order to support players, it is something I've never done in the past. It would be new money coming in. Like JayBee, I'm sure that some folks have contributed to BTD that never helped pay players under the table.
So, no, not all those boomers were already paying players.
Have you donated to the Blue and Gold fund before? I don't think Lens was arguing that everyone who is legally paying new players now used to illegaly pay players under the table. I think he's pointing out that donors are unlikely to donate to NIL without reducing their donations to the athletic department. So it's not new money coming in, it's old money getting redirected.
That being said, while I think there is truth to that, I think there is also a lot of new money coming in due to NIL.
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Have you donated to the Blue and Gold fund before? I don't think Lens was arguing that everyone who is legally paying new players now used to illegaly pay players under the table. I think he's pointing out that donors are unlikely to donate to NIL without reducing their donations to the athletic department. So it's not new money coming in, it's old money getting redirected.
That being said, while I think there is truth to that, I think there is also a lot of new money coming in due to NIL.
Fair point, TAMU. I gave undue focus on the statement "There is a finite amount of money that flows into athletic departments." With BTD/Nil funds not passing through the departments, and more non-shady boosters contributing, that equates with new money in my thinking, but your point that folks that had been giving to B&G may now offer support via BTD makes valid sense.
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So you think there were potential boosters out there sitting on their cash and only now releasing it bc of NIL?
Absolutely.
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Those boosters were already paying players.
Believe it or not, there are boosters who a) don’t want to break the rules, b) don’t want to risk their school getting in trouble and c) both an and b.
Those are no longer potential problems. Ergo, new boosters/donors.
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Absolutely.
1000% true. It’s no longer a slimy game. It’s a donation. Plus you have any Joe Schmo who wants to give $100 bucks as well. That’s adds up at some places.
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must suck being that young black college student athlete when you can’t make baskets or score touchdowns for the team anymore, hey? I mean, rich whitie gonna kick ya to the curb and to a life of pimpin’, jackin’ and dealin’. Damn white man and his privilege. Right?
Mmmmm casual racism. Pretty gross, man.
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1000% true. It’s no longer a slimy game. It’s a donation. Plus you have any Joe Schmo who wants to give $100 bucks as well. That’s adds up at some places.
I wouldn't go as far as to say its not a slimy game. There are still some schools/booster breaking the "rules" like pay for play, or underreporting what they are giving the SA. But now the casual fan who may not have donated to the school may be donating to the collectives feeling that they have a hand in landing some players.
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But now the casual fan who may not have donated to the school may be donating to the collectives feeling that they have a hand in landing some players.
That would be silly of them! NIL can’t be used as an inducement to attend a school
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That would be silly of them! NIL can’t be used as an inducement to attend a school
Can't be used by the school as an inducement, if we're being technical. ;D
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That would be silly of them! NIL can’t be used as an inducement to attend a school
Every NIL is an "inducement" if it is part of the decision making process of the SA.
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I think the revenue upside with NIL is for local businesses to leverage as a marketing expense. The non-profit coop donation side, I feel, is still up for IRS debate and is not a settled matter.
https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/get-help/general/nil/nil-collectives/#:~:text=If%20a%20non%2Dprofit%20NIL,not%20substantially%20related%20to%20the
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I wouldn't go as far as to say its not a slimy game. There are still some schools/booster breaking the "rules" like pay for play, or underreporting what they are giving the SA. But now the casual fan who may not have donated to the school may be donating to the collectives feeling that they have a hand in landing some players.
As stated above, those types of ppl already existed. However now that’s a it’s legal, you have those types and the new over the table type.
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As stated above, those types of ppl already existed. However now that’s a it’s legal, you have those types and the new over the table type.
Cheating is as old as time, no matter what the "rules" are. There are boosters/donors that are crossing the proverbial line today and there will be boosters/donors that will cross the line everyday. Matt Norlander reported that some transfers were asking as much as $5000 to show up for a campus visit during the transfer period, whether they commit to the school or not.
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As stated above, those types of ppl already existed. However now that’s a it’s legal, you have those types and the new over the table type.
Never said anything to the contrary. My point is that it is still slimy. There are still schools and their boosters breaking the rules
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Never said anything to the contrary. My point is that it is still slimy. There are still schools and their boosters breaking the rules
Sure, but that happened both before and after NIL. It is just more visible today and its better for the athletes today than it was previously.
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Mmmmm casual racism. Pretty gross, man.
Your call on that, of course, but I disagree. I was simply trying to convey that stereotyping is wrong, er, ‘gross’.
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Sure, but that happened both before and after NIL. It is just more visible today and its better for the athletes today than it was previously.
Not disagreeing, just disagreeing with panda who said it was no longer slimy.
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Never said anything to the contrary. My point is that it is still slimy. There are still schools and their boosters breaking the rules
It’s all above board which makes it less slimy/illegal. Wisconsin wasn’t paying players before NIL and now they’re offering big money all within the rules of the game. IMO that changes the landscape of college sports when big schools who weren’t playing the AAU shoe sponsor game now can spend their big donor money on players.
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It’s all above board which makes it less slimy/illegal. Wisconsin wasn’t paying players before NIL and now they’re offering big money all within the rules of the game. IMO that changes the landscape of college sports when big schools who weren’t playing the AAU shoe sponsor game now can spend their big donor money on players.
Wisconsin had a lot of other benefits for their student athletes. The former basketball coach was very loose with his university spending budget when it came to taking care of players.
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Every NIL is an "inducement" if it is part of the decision making process of the SA.
Not only that, NIL is a pay for play arrangement. Players are receiving NIL money in exchange for zero endorsements, participation in advertising or other goods and services. Play for school/team X you get a check every month.
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Wisconsin wasn’t paying players before NIL
How do you know?
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Wisconsin had a lot of other benefits for their student athletes. The former basketball coach was very loose with his university spending budget when it came to taking care of players.
Not anymore than any other big time school.
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How do you know?
First hand information. Plus the diamond stone recruitment laid out what I said very plainly.
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Not anymore than any other big time school.
Correct. Even the clean schools were doing things that weren’t “legal”
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First hand information. Plus the diamond stone recruitment laid out what I said very plainly.
First-hand information on Wisconsin NEVER cheating? OK.
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Wisconsin had boosters giving players money. I know that as an absolute fact. I have no idea if their athletic department knew the particulars, but they definitely knew it was happening. One of their highest profile (now deceased) boosters was notorious for it.
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Wisconsin wasn’t paying players before NIL...
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/badgerextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/52/85211512-3f6d-11ed-85f5-376855e78bb5/6334b0c990ad2.image.jpg)
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First-hand information on Wisconsin NEVER cheating? OK.
It’s only coming from an assistant men’s basketball coach complaining about how he couldn’t go after several targets because they had their hand out for the highest bidder. Probably should’ve fact checked and cross referenced before posting it here.
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(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/badgerextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/52/85211512-3f6d-11ed-85f5-376855e78bb5/6334b0c990ad2.image.jpg)
*within the last twenty years lol
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*within the last twenty years lol
Still an inaccurate statement.
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Still an inaccurate statement.
Pipe down Rovell
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Pipe down Rovell
Sorry you continue to be blind to the truth right in front of you, but you're just wrong here.
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It’s only coming from an assistant men’s basketball coach complaining about how he couldn’t go after several targets because they had their hand out for the highest bidder. Probably should’ve fact checked and cross referenced before posting it here.
Football players have been priority one during the Alvarez years
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Football players have been priority one during the Alvarez years
Yep.
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Ah yes. UW athletic coaches upset that they can't get recruits because they don't cheat and pay players, or they can't get in academically. A tale as old as time.
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Ah yes. UW athletic coaches upset that they can't get recruits because they don't cheat and pay players, or they can't get in academically. A tale as old as time.
The dude believes that Homer is intentionally stepping away from Marquette basketball stuff because he asked Homer in a bar once. Let's just say he's a little gullible.
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It’s only coming from an assistant men’s basketball coach complaining about how he couldn’t go after several targets because they had their hand out for the highest bidder. Probably should’ve fact checked and cross referenced before posting it here.
1. He knows nothing about what's going on in other programs, specifically football.
2. He did not necessarily know what Bo and/or other assistants were doing.
3. There's little reason anybody here has to believe this anecdote of yours anyway.
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Sorry you continue to be blind to the truth right in front of you, but you're just wrong here.
As always you’re technically correct. I forgot about the cheating scandal that happened such a long time ago, the newspaper article is xerox’ed onto the internet lol
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1. He knows nothing about what's going on in other programs, specifically football.
2. He did not necessarily know what Bo and/or other assistants were doing.
3. There's little reason anybody here has to believe this anecdote of yours anyway.
As this is a basketball board, I was speaking to basketball recruiting and nothing else.
You can choose to believe or not believe. But I really have a hard time believing another person (not you) who can barely leave his computer for five minutes without posting nonsense here would have any sort of real trustworthy insight into the actual goings on of a high level basketball program.
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The dude believes that Homer is intentionally stepping away from Marquette basketball stuff because he asked Homer in a bar once. Let's just say he's a little gullible.
I too believe everything I read on the internet that conveniently align with my personal beliefs.
I also cowardly refuse to actually challenge my own thoguhts when someone else offers an easy option to confirm my very confident stance.
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As always you’re technically correct. I forgot about the cheating scandal that happened such a long time ago, the newspaper article is xerox’ed onto the internet lol
The strangest part was Dr. B breaking into Viper's basement and stealing it out of the frame to photocopy it. Could have just just snapped a pic on his phone and saved himself some time.
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As this is a basketball board, I was speaking to basketball recruiting and nothing else.
You can choose to believe or not believe. But I really have a hard time believing another person (not you) who can barely leave his computer for five minutes without posting nonsense here would have any sort of real trustworthy insight into the actual goings on of a high level basketball program.
Bo Ryan would often take his team to local courses in Madison, buy them rounds of golf, golf clothing and equipment and dinner, the Bridges being the most frequented. He did the same thing while at UWM, with Wanaki being the most frequented.
Whether you choose to believe that or not, is up to you.
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As always you’re technically correct. I forgot about the cheating scandal that happened such a long time ago, the newspaper article is xerox’ed onto the internet lol
I am more than technically correct and it has happened since then.
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I am more than technically correct and it has happened since then.
As of 2015 (latest info I could find) Wisconsin-Madison was tied for 5th most major NCAA violations.
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As of 2015 (latest info I could find) Wisconsin-Madison was tied for 5th most major NCAA violations.
I think most of those were well before the Alvarez era but at one time, they definitely were near the top for violations
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I am more than technically correct and it has happened since then.
Ok Rovell. according to you the sky isn’t blue it’s Pantone 128
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Ok Rovell. according to you the sky isn’t blue it’s Pantone 128
You may want to sit the rest of this out because...well...this is really a lame response. You are simply wrong.
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The strangest part was Dr. B breaking into Viper's basement and stealing it out of the frame to photocopy it. Could have just just snapped a pic on his phone and saved himself some time.
Lol
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I don't doubt that UW may have lost out some athletics recruits because those recruits were looking for the biggest payday possible. That doesn't mean UW never paid any recruits until NIL. It just means they were outbid.
But I'm sure said UW assistant basketball coach would be going around to Marquette fans telling them they're paying recruits if they were doing so.
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The strangest part was Dr. B breaking into Viper's basement and stealing it out of the frame to photocopy it. Could have just just snapped a pic on his phone and saved himself some time.
I had to dig deeper into the Panda Den for this one which Bo got exiled to Platteville as a result. The pages were so worn I had to pay to retype the article.
-Signed,
Bilbo Baggins
https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1986/07/17/The-University-of-Wisconsin-mens-basketball-program-has-been/6249521956800/
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21723.0
Swarmy topic on how Bo operated...hoop-a-looping
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21723.0
Swarmy topic on how Bo operated...hoop-a-looping
Good find. And some interesting thoughts in there as well. Someone said there are levels of “swarmy” and I think that’s the point being made by most here.
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The strangest part was Dr. B breaking into Viper's basement and stealing it out of the frame to photocopy it. Could have just just snapped a pic on his phone and saved himself some time.
awesome!
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Ok Rovell. according to you the sky isn’t blue it’s Pantone 128
Sully sent you to his penalty box. He’s sent me there too. It’s ok. There’s a bunch of Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions in a box, cans of mini-ravioli on a shelf, and the MU ‘77 title game on an endless loop. See ya there.
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Bo Ryan would often take his team to local courses in Madison, buy them rounds of golf, golf clothing and equipment and dinner, the Bridges being the most frequented. He did the same thing while at UWM, with Wanaki being the most frequented.
Whether you choose to believe that or not, is up to you.
Playing The Bridges is punishment, not reward.
Don't forget, Bo killed a hooked and dumped her body at the Autozone across the street from Visions(RIP).
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Playing The Bridges is punishment, not reward.
Don't forget, Bo killed a hooked and dumped her body at the Autozone across the street from Visions(RIP).
lol, agree on Bridges. I got stuck behind his group out there once. 6 hour round
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lol, agree on Bridges. I got stuck behind his group out there once. 6 hour round
Lot of BJs out there.
I hope you hit your drive at him.
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I've been told for years by a red co-worker the only reason Rashard Griffith turned pro after his 2nd year was WI refused to keep paying for his mother's house.
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I've been told for years by a red co-worker the only reason Rashard Griffith turned pro after his 2nd year was WI refused to keep paying for his mother's house.
Typical Badger; I'm sure mom's house payment surpassed NBA coin. ::)
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I've been told for years by a red co-worker the only reason Rashard Griffith turned pro after his 2nd year was WI refused to keep paying for his mother's house.
…better weed in Euro
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Looks like all 85 members of the Utah Football team got a truck as a part of their NIL program.
https://twitter.com/UtahCrimson/status/1709648235965673684?t=vrEYIj30WRC-yMgPM75m0Q&s=19
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Looks like all 85 members of the Utah Football team got a truck as a part of their NIL program.
https://twitter.com/UtahCrimson/status/1709648235965673684?t=vrEYIj30WRC-yMgPM75m0Q&s=19
What's the rest of the story? Meaning are they having to do personal appearances for the auto dealership? I smell a tax audit.
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What's the rest of the story? Meaning are they having to do personal appearances for the auto dealership? I smell a tax audit.
No idea. Just saw it while scrolling the ole Twitter. Crazy.
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Looks like the Providence collective is skirting very close to pay for play.
https://x.com/FriarFamilyNIL/status/1709595535097667967?s=20
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What's the rest of the story? Meaning are they having to do personal appearances for the auto dealership? I smell a tax audit.
https://kslsports.com/505679/utah-football-receives-2024-ram-trucks-in-nil-deal/
In return for the trucks, each athlete is expected to pick a community service project within the year to complete. In addition to receiving the trucks, the insurance and lease is covered so long as the student-athlete is on scholarship.
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Looks like the Providence collective is skirting very close to pay for play.
https://x.com/FriarFamilyNIL/status/1709595535097667967?s=20
I think it’s fine. Just can’t be directed to a specific player. Just a general contribution.
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the insurance and lease is covered so long as the student-athlete is on scholarship.
So, they don't own the trucks, and only get the lease paid if they are on scholarship.
I woulkd think their compliance ran that up to the NCAA. But how is that not pay for play? Did they need to qualify for the lease?
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I think it’s fine. Just can’t be directed to a specific player. Just a general contribution.
Good point, not much difference between a $50 contribution for a win and a $50 contribution just because. I mean, the "just because" could easily be "just because we won."
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lol, agree on Bridges. I got stuck behind his group out there once. 6 hour round
Bo was a member at Nakoma, not sure anymore. Neighbor played with him once, said he was the biggest a-hole.
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So, they don't own the trucks, and only get the lease paid if they are on scholarship.
I woulkd think their compliance ran that up to the NCAA. But how is that not pay for play? Did they need to qualify for the lease?
Of course it’s pay for play. Everyone knows this.
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Of course it’s pay for play. Everyone knows this.
I'm old enough to remember when NIL was a thing. NIL, pet rocks, Beanie Babies, Cash for Clunkers, etc.
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Didn't want to start a new thread or dirty up the recruiting thread for this, but thought this comment by Izzo on transfer portal tampering was absolutely hilarious:
Izzo added: “If somebody hears my assistant (tamper), call me. He won’t be with us.”
This is the guy who kept Travis Walton on his staff as a volunteer undergraduate assistant after Walton punched a girl out in a bar. Walton then went on and sexually assaulted a woman a few months later.
But highly paid, highly valuable coaches tampering in the transfer portal is where Tom will draw the line. Way to have your priorities straight Tom.
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Didn't want to start a new thread or dirty up the recruiting thread for this, but thought this comment by Izzo on transfer portal tampering was absolutely hilarious:
This is the guy who kept Travis Walton on his staff as a volunteer undergraduate assistant after Walton punched a girl out in a bar. Walton then went on and sexually assaulted a woman a few months later.
But highly paid, highly valuable coaches tampering in the transfer portal is where Tom will draw the line. Way to have your priorities straight Tom.
And if you think his coaches aren’t “tampering”, I’ve got a bridge to sell you
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Probably wants someone to call him because he’s ticked they were dumb enough to get caught.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, Izzo is not a smart person, he's basically an old school HS gym coach who is a very good basketball coach. He truly is one guy I'd say needs to "shut up and coach basketball".
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His recent quote about the transfer portal implies that kids SHOULD be unhappy in college and until they've been in college for 35-50 years old they shouldn't be able to leave.
“Yeah, I have flexibility, I can leave,” Izzo said at Big Ten media day in Minneapolis. “I have millions of dollars of a buyout if I leave. I’ve paid 40 years of dues to leave. Most coaches have put in their time. Most coaches will be doing that at 35 and 40 and 50, not at 20 when one guy tells you to leave because you’re unhappy.
“You know what, what’s wrong with being unhappy? I’m unhappy most of my life. Unhappy drives you. Unhappy pushes you. Unhappy makes people realize, ‘You know what? I’m not good enough. I’ve got to get better.’”
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His recent quote about the transfer portal implies that kids SHOULD be unhappy in college and until they've been in college for 35-50 years old they shouldn't be able to leave.
I'm usually not one for the "modern-day slavery" analogy, but Izzo explaining how he can do what he wants with his millions after decades of coaching while college kids should lean into their unhappiness hits all the wrong notes.
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I'm usually not one for the "modern-day slavery" analogy, but Izzo explaining how he can do what he wants with his millions after decades of coaching while college kids should lean into their unhappiness hits all the wrong notes.
He has Mat Ishiba writing whatever checks he wants. Mel Tucker got $95 million because Ishiba cut a check. Izzo acts clueless about this stuff but it’s all an act
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Didn't want to start a new thread or dirty up the recruiting thread for this, but thought this comment by Izzo on transfer portal tampering was absolutely hilarious:
This is the guy who kept Travis Walton on his staff as a volunteer undergraduate assistant after Walton punched a girl out in a bar. Walton then went on and sexually assaulted a woman a few months later.
But highly paid, highly valuable coaches tampering in the transfer portal is where Tom will draw the line. Way to have your priorities straight Tom.
Don’t forget Izzy got all pissy when Joey didn’t get an immediate waiver to play there, so his rant is a bit selective.
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He has Mat Ishiba writing whatever checks he wants. Mel Tucker got $95 million because Ishiba cut a check. Izzo acts clueless about this stuff but it’s all an act
Or not any more?
https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/ (https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/)
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Or not any more?
https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/ (https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/)
That would be a shame
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Don’t forget Izzy got all pissy when Joey didn’t get an immediate waiver to play there, so his rant is a bit selective.
That's a great point.
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Or not any more?
https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/ (https://brobible.com/sports/article/matt-ishiba-michigan-state/)
It sounds like Ishiba caught wind of the Mel Tucker news and concluded his company’s advertising dollars could be better spent elsewhere.
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Fizzy Izzy must have forgotten that he got suspended for paying Branden Dawson's AAU coach to "help out" at his camp during his recruitment.
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Give ‘em some Rolexes and a $100,000 education
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https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/11/media-center-nil-related-recruiting-violation-occurred-in-florida-state-football-program.aspx
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From Yahoo Sports:
Caitlin Clark's autographed "Bowman U" trading card sold for $78,000 last week, shattering the record for a women's basketball card ($11,500 for a Diana Taurasi rookie WNBA card). In fact, the only female athlete to ever demand a higher price is Serena Williams, who had the benefit of playing professionally for decades.
Iowa's game against Ohio State on Jan. 21 averaged 1.93 million viewers on NBC and Peacock, the largest audience for a regular-season women's game since 2010. Thanks to Clark, the Hawkeyes are set to become the first women's hoops team to play on all four broadcast networks (CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox) in the same season.
Iowa sold out Carver-Hawkeye Arena (~15,000 capacity) for every home game this season, a first in program history. When the Hawkeyes are on the road, opponents have seen a 150% spike in attendance. Tickets for tomorrow's sold-out game at Northwestern are reselling for as much as $1,324, per the Chicago Sun-Times.
Clark has 1.1 million social media followers and NIL deals with companies like Nike, Gatorade, Topps, State Farm, Bose, Buick, Goldman Sachs and H&R Block. Earlier this month, she released her own cereal — Caitlin's Crunch Time — with grocery store chain Hy-Vee. Some estimates have her net worth hovering around $3 million.
The Iowa women's basketball team brought in over $3.8 million in total revenue during Clark's National Player of the Year campaign in 2022-23, more than doubling its revenue from any prior recent year, Sportico reports.[/b]
Glad to see Clark raking in the money for her exceptional talent and hard work. Her school is sure making plenty off of her.
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wat iz hurr gpa tho
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New policy in North Carolina will allow athletes at private high schools to make money off their NIL.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-stuck-in-quagmire-of-its-own-making-with-latest-nil-mess-230729158.html
I predict the NCAA gets walloped on this one too, especially since their own executive director has talked about relaxing the rules. No one is following the NCAA guidance - I mean do you really think that Diener isn't in contact with the Marquette coaching staff?
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From Yahoo Sports:
Caitlin Clark's autographed "Bowman U" trading card sold for $78,000 last week, shattering the record for a women's basketball card ($11,500 for a Diana Taurasi rookie WNBA card). In fact, the only female athlete to ever demand a higher price is Serena Williams, who had the benefit of playing professionally for decades.
Iowa's game against Ohio State on Jan. 21 averaged 1.93 million viewers on NBC and Peacock, the largest audience for a regular-season women's game since 2010. Thanks to Clark, the Hawkeyes are set to become the first women's hoops team to play on all four broadcast networks (CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox) in the same season.
Iowa sold out Carver-Hawkeye Arena (~15,000 capacity) for every home game this season, a first in program history. When the Hawkeyes are on the road, opponents have seen a 150% spike in attendance. Tickets for tomorrow's sold-out game at Northwestern are reselling for as much as $1,324, per the Chicago Sun-Times.
Clark has 1.1 million social media followers and NIL deals with companies like Nike, Gatorade, Topps, State Farm, Bose, Buick, Goldman Sachs and H&R Block. Earlier this month, she released her own cereal — Caitlin's Crunch Time — with grocery store chain Hy-Vee. Some estimates have her net worth hovering around $3 million.
The Iowa women's basketball team brought in over $3.8 million in total revenue during Clark's National Player of the Year campaign in 2022-23, more than doubling its revenue from any prior recent year, Sportico reports.[/b]
Glad to see Clark raking in the money for her exceptional talent and hard work. Her school is sure making plenty off of her.
She is must watch tv. I actually purchased Peacock to watch some of her games. Hopefully I am contributing to her straight cash homie, she has earned it.
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She is must watch tv. I actually purchased Peacock to watch some of her games. Hopefully I am contributing to her straight cash homie, she has earned it.
Playing at Northwestern tonight, game on Peacock at 8 p.m. ET.
According to the link listed on the ESPN.com women's basketball schedule page ... "Tickets as low as $508."
She is making everybody a ton of money. Glad she's making plenty for herself, too.
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She is must watch tv. I actually purchased Peacock to watch some of her games. Hopefully I am contributing to her straight cash homie, she has earned it.
I literally looked up Iowa's schedule to see if there was any game where it would make sense to go out of my way to drive through Iowa City when driving from Columbia, MO to Milwaukee. Unfortunately nothing really made much sense schedule wise.
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She is must watch tv. I actually purchased Peacock to watch some of her games. Hopefully I am contributing to her straight cash homie, she has earned it.
On last night's Marquette game, they were advertising for Saturday Night prime time basketball on Fox. Watch Kaitlyn Clark.
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Livvy Dunne is easier on the eyes, hey?
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Livvy Dunne is easier on the eyes, hey?
The real value of women
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We're #9
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFm1Og3XcAA1ARz?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Looking deeper:
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We're #9
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Pretty safe to say they aren't wearing the gear to games.
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Livvy Dunne is easier on the eyes, hey?
You should post that on the wall in the reception area of your practice.
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The NIL store is stating they paid over 100K in rolaties to players in November, and is now over $1 Million paid to players. It's a start.
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Georgetown at #4 leaps out. I guess that could be seen as a positive sign for the program's future.
On the individual side ... almost makes me want to buy an Oso jersey. Where's the love for our co-MVP?!?!
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Looking deeper:
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Love that Stevie cracked the top 10. Marquette wives and moms represent!
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Love that Stevie cracked the top 10. Marquette wives and moms represent!
Lots of sharp cougar elbows jockeying for position in the postgame Fifo victory lap.
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I see TJ Shannon is getting hi$
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I literally looked up Iowa's schedule to see if there was any game where it would make sense to go out of my way to drive through Iowa City when driving from Columbia, MO to Milwaukee. Unfortunately nothing really made much sense schedule wise.
Took my daughter when they played the Badgers and she’s wanted to watch more of her games after. Definitely worth it.
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You should post that on the wall in the reception area of your practice.
Nah, we have a professional decorator for that. But obviously, if you have an objection with the premise, I know several good ophthalmologists you may want to consult, hey?
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Lots of sharp cougar elbows jockeying for position in the postgame Fifo victory lap.
You do not want to get in the way of Mrs. Legs
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Lots of sharp cougar elbows jockeying for position in the postgame Fifo victory lap.
I'm offended.
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You do not want to get in the way of Mrs. Legs
True that, making it hard on you being alive trying to cut her off.
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BREAKING: The Florida Gators are STRUGGLING to raise money for their football program...
The Gators NIL Collective "Florida Victorious" has made a desperate plea to Gator fans & alum to donate, as they're falling behind their rivals 😬
🎙️ | Florida Victorious Director of Revenue: "We just don't have enough money to attract talent and win."
It's important to note that a large reason why Florida is struggling is because of their current coaching situation. Napier is 11-14 in his first 2 seasons, which clearly hasn't inspired the fanbase to contribute 💸
Meanwhile, their rivals have been surging. Florida State went 13-0 and won the ACC last season, while Georgia has won 2 National Championships in 3 years 🏆
And it looks like it's only going to get worse for Florida. Less NIL contributions last year means a less talented roster for next year, which could spell doom for the Gators...
Florida had 22 outgoing transfers this cycle, including starters such as Princely Umanmielen, Trevor Etienne, & Scooby Williams 👀
https://x.com/bluebloodsbias/status/1757804179752702422?s=20