https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1625197387747565569?t=apvriocxlyHk91DfGnySkA&s=19
They are urging Marquette fans to get to Wednesdays game.
I know it is a Wednesday, but if you are on the fence on whether to go or not and you are able to make it, just get the ticket!
These guys put us in a position to watch potential 1st place basketball all season. If we want the last 2 Saturday Home Games to be with 1st place on the line then we need to get this one. Only game this week. Let's sell the place out!
Couldn't have said it any better. How many years have we waited for a first place home game in mid February?
Wouldn't miss it!
Bought tix yesterday. excited!!
A Xavier game ticket was my daughter's Christmas present to me. Looking forward to my first game in Milwaukee since Wojo gave JjJ a dnp/cd a couple of weeks after taking down #1 Villanova.
Can't wait.
Yes, this was sent out but only in response to being called out for doing nothing. And with no link for fans to buy tickets. Maybe try reading the responses before trying to fluff that tweet.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2023, 01:40:15 PM
A Xavier game ticket was my daughter's Christmas present to me. Looking forward to my first game in Milwaukee since Wojo gave JjJ a dnp/cd a couple of weeks after taking down #1 Villanova.
Can't wait.
See you there! Don't forget your "I'm on Scoop" badge
I will be there with my three sons and one of the granddaughters. It can get be game time soon enough for our family!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 13, 2023, 02:02:14 PM
Yes, this was sent out but only in response to being called out for doing nothing. And with no link for fans to buy tickets. Maybe try reading the responses before trying to fluff that tweet.
Brew I understand where you are coming from with regard to marketing the team and they should have provided a link. But people literally have to have zero IQ to not know how to buy tickets for the game. Does it show a lack of attention to detail? Yes. But if people are not going to buy tickets because of no link then they weren't going to buy them anyway. We all have apps on our phone to buy tickets.
Of note, my son said the campus is buzzing this week in anticipation of this game. Should be a great student section.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 13, 2023, 02:02:14 PM
Yes, this was sent out but only in response to being called out for doing nothing. And with no link for fans to buy tickets. Maybe try reading the responses before trying to fluff that tweet.
MU's marketing needs CPR. Someone should start a thread
Shooter
I love hearing that your son said the campus is buzzing. Big game for the program on Wednesday night.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 02:30:15 PM
Shooter
I love hearing that your son said the campus is buzzing. Big game for the program on Wednesday night.
Agreed. I was happy to hear that too Goose!
I think about my time at MU (end of Dukiet and early O'Neill) and am glad he is getting the better end of the deal.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 13, 2023, 02:14:24 PM
See you there! Don't forget your "I'm on Scoop" badge
I will be the middle aged guy in Marquette gear.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 13, 2023, 02:14:24 PM
See you there! Don't forget your "I'm on Scoop" badge
Scoopers wear tin foil hats and an Arby's employee name tag to self-identify.
Per usual...I'll be there with 3 others...I looked a week ago and there were decent lower level ticks for $60 on stubhub...all gone now. Lower level corners are $70.
Wish I could get home for this one. I think it'll be an awesome environment for a great college basketball game. Hope for a blowout win.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
I will be the middle aged guy in Marquette gear.
Same.
LFG.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 13, 2023, 02:02:14 PM
Yes, this was sent out but only in response to being called out for doing nothing. And with no link for fans to buy tickets. Maybe try reading the responses before trying to fluff that tweet.
Nah. I'm not sour grapes on the marketing like you.
At the end of the day we as fans know when the games are. They shouldn't have to do major discounts for a game that decides 1st place. We all know how to purchase tickets. It is on us.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
I will be the middle aged guy in Marquette gear.
Twinsies. I hate to admit it, but I am middle aged now (even if y'all think of millenials as tiktokin utes)
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2023, 01:40:15 PM
A Xavier game ticket was my daughter's Christmas present to me. Looking forward to my first game in Milwaukee since Wojo gave JjJ a dnp/cd a couple of weeks after taking down #1 Villanova.
Can't wait.
Wow. That's a long time ago.
I will be the old guy with three 30 something sons. That makes me feel old.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 03:26:11 PM
I will be the old guy with three 30 something sons. That makes me feel old.
You sound like someone that might be in my row. ;D
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 13, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Nah. I'm not sour grapes on the marketing like you.
At the end of the day we as fans know when the games are. They shouldn't have to do major discounts for a game that decides 1st place. We all know how to purchase tickets. It is on us.
You very clearly do not understand marketing, so it's easy to say you are "not sour grapes on it".
One of the basic concepts is to promote greater interest and to influence the decision making of the customer. In this case, it is the Marquette fan. With a savvy, creative and imaginative marketing campaign, not only would most games be quickly sold out, but the level of passion would be reflected in the crowd. The buzz becomes contagious and feeds on itself. The "it is on us" attitude is about as far as one can get from marketing. Those four words showed us where you are on marketing.
The lyrics from a very old song say it all: "Don't criticize what you can't understand."
Mr. Nielsen
My boys popped for the tickets expecting me to pop for beers. I hope you are in better seats. We are second row upstairs.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 03:30:24 PM
Mr. Nielsen
My boys popped for the tickets expecting me to pop for beers. I hope you are in better seats. We are second row upstairs.
Nope. That's not you. I'm in the lower.
If I lived within a 6-hour drive, I'd be going to this game. And I would need neither the MU marketing department or this thread to tell me to do so.
All y'all who are going ... you're in charge of getting us the win. And you get the bonus prize of not having to listen to Pete Gillen call the game.
Looking forward to the 2 games I will be attending -- vs DePaul and at Butler -- with hopefully a chance to clinch the conference title at Hinkle!
The Scoop Bandwagon is filling up. Big time game. I believe this is Miller's first time visit to MKE for any of his teams. Let's defend this house!
Didn't realize this game was on CBSSN. They are getting some good Big East games.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 13, 2023, 04:11:22 PM
Didn't realize this game was on CBSSN. They are getting some good Big East games.
Jim Nantz plugged the game twice over the weekend during the WM Phoenix Open.
https://instagram.com/stories/joshmeitz/3037528803944839694?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
It is a billboard game!
Mr. Nielsen
The good news is the my middle son is not a major sports fan and trying to get him back in the fold and happy he is joining us. He might not be a big MU fan yet, he will jacked up more than any of us. He loves action and free beer.
So, I am happy being anywhere in the barn for the game. I really hope the place is rockin!!
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2023, 03:45:16 PM
If I lived within a 6-hour drive, I'd be going to this game. And I would need neither the MU marketing department or this thread to tell me to do so.
All y'all who are going ... you're in charge of getting us the win. And you get the bonus prize of not having to listen to Pete Gillen call the game.
Looking forward to the 2 games I will be attending -- vs DePaul and at Butler -- with hopefully a chance to clinch the conference title at Hinkle!
I don't think the average MU fan interested in this game has 20k posts on a relevant forum..but that's just a guess.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 13, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
Twinsies. I hate to admit it, but I am middle aged now (even if y'all think of millenials as tiktokin utes)
Gen X here. 4.5 hour drive. Schedules and COVID have not cooperated. Retirement and my kid having his own car are wonderful things.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
Gen X here. 4.5 hour drive. Schedules and COVID have not cooperated. Retirement and my kid having his own car are wonderful things.
Isn't there a Muskegon to Milwaukee boat?
Not this time of year.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
Wish I could get home for this one. I think it'll be an awesome environment for a great college basketball game. Hope for a blowout win.
Foleys bringing 9 even without Wades and his intended (including 2 year old granddaughter seeing her first game in person)
Those that went to X will be cheering for mu or stifling themselves
We will have most of section 103!!
My dad has 2 degrees from XU, my mom graduated from Edgecliff (now XU), long time members of the Musketeer club. They have been season ticket holders forever. They went to all XU games home and away for many years. My oldest is a Junior at XU. My dad passed last week. This game is personal for the Knight Commission. I want MU to blow them out because my dad would never acknowledge that XU is an inferior program to MU despite my rational arguments. Word to the wise, I would bet the under because I am pretty sure my dad will have an influence on the outcome of this game.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 02:17:05 PM
I will be there with my three sons and one of the granddaughters. It can get be game time soon enough for our family!!!
Please tell me their names are Mike, Robbie, and Chip
I don't know why people are down on the marketing department. I've been contacted by every possible means several times this year by Marquette athletics. So much that I was actually getting pretty annoyed at all the calls, emails, texts, etc. I kept telling them that it's a 5+ hour drive for me and I have tickets to the DePaul game but one game a year is all I can manage.
For those in the stands.
Be the difference!
I am going to buy my first ever sweater vest and sit on my hands except when I stand up to swear at Shaka in front of kids.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 13, 2023, 06:46:19 PM
Please tell me their names are Mike, Robbie, and Chip
My Three Sons was much TV back in the day.......
da judge
That is nice turn out by the family. My guess is there might be a long history of MU fans in that clan.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 07:59:35 PM
da judge
That is nice turn out by the family. My guess is there might be a long history of MU fans in that clan.
Got that right Goose!!!
Might need a go fund me page for all the tix and fees but worth every penny!!!
Quote from: dajudge on February 13, 2023, 08:08:11 PM
Got that right Goose!!!
Might need a go fund me page for all the tix and fees but worth every penny!!!
Wait til you see what a beer costs
da judge
Let's get the win on Wednesday and it is worth every penny to get the family at the game. It is starting to feel like the program is going in the right direction in a big way. Enjoy the game.
I feel badly that our clan is not represented like we used to be. Some of my greatest memories in life was having my parents and all of my siblings at the games. I will say I still think of my Mom and Dad every time I am at a MU game.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 13, 2023, 06:46:19 PM
Please tell me their names are Mike, Robbie, and Chip
Don't sleep on Ernie.
I took off and I'm making the 2 hour drive up with my wife and 2 year old.
Making a day of it- brunch, children's museum, brewery, sobelmans, FiServ.
Great way to celebrate Valentine's Day, glad I thought of it 😂
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 08:23:07 PM
da judge
Let's get the win on Wednesday and it is worth every penny to get the family at the game. It is starting to feel like the program is going in the right direction in a big way. Enjoy the game.
I feel badly that our clan is not represented like we used to be. Some of my greatest memories in life was having my parents and all of my siblings at the games. I will say I still think of my Mom and Dad every time I am at a MU game.
Amen to all that!!!
Still picture my folks in 5th row season tix at Mecca!!
Been a religion in our family for 4 generations
Grandkids will be 5th
Would be 15 if all kids, spouses and grandkids there (In Humanae Vitae!)
Excitement over Shaka and trajectory off the charts!!!
Beat X!!!
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Quote from: cheebs09 on February 13, 2023, 08:10:54 PM
Wait til you see what a beer costs
I have no problem serving as some inflation relief in the form of beers for a few scoopers on Wednesday
Posting here & trading post to make sure these get used. My buddy can't make it tomorrow (he doesn't post on here), and has 2 lowers available for tomorrow. Section 119, row 15 seats 3/4. He is asking $70/ticket which looks like a great deal when looking at StubHub etc. Send me a note if interested.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 13, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
Nah. I'm not sour grapes on the marketing like you.
At the end of the day we as fans know when the games are. They shouldn't have to do major discounts for a game that decides 1st place. We all know how to purchase tickets. It is on us.
Maybe the point should be to grow the fanbase, not just sell to the people who are already coming anyway.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 13, 2023, 03:28:26 PM
You very clearly do not understand marketing, so it's easy to say you are "not sour grapes on it".
One of the basic concepts is to promote greater interest and to influence the decision making of the customer. In this case, it is the Marquette fan. With a savvy, creative and imaginative marketing campaign, not only would most games be quickly sold out, but the level of passion would be reflected in the crowd. The buzz becomes contagious and feeds on itself. The "it is on us" attitude is about as far as one can get from marketing. Those four words showed us where you are on marketing.
The lyrics from a very old song say it all: "Don't criticize what you can't understand."
I have bumped this for you 03. You either did not read it or chose to ignore it.
Brew's post just above this motivated me to bump it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 14, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
I have bumped this for you 03. You either did not read it or chose to ignore it.
Brew's post just above this motivated me to bump it.
I understand marketing, but when it comes to growing a fanbase, it is tough to market to those that didn't attend.
I seem to be one of the few (at least in my experience) that is a Marquette and only Marquette basketball fan that didn't attend the University.
Unless you are talking growing within the campus and alumni, but that seems to never have been an issue.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 10:53:36 AM
I understand marketing, but when it comes to growing a fanbase, it is tough to market to those that didn't attend.
I seem to be one of the few (at least in my experience) that is a Marquette and only Marquette basketball fan that didn't attend the University.
Unless you are talking growing within the campus and alumni, but that seems to never have been an issue.
There's loads of growth to be had within the alumni circles for sure, people got apathetic during Wojo and need to be redrawn in. Almost a decade of students were left with their highlight being 2/3 of a great season followed by an epic collapse with some slightly above average years mixed in. Those young alumni need to be drawn in. Not to mention the amount of student that had Covid years so the excitement was taken from them.
There's a decent amount of non MU grads on this board, idk what their affiliation is with family but I don't think you're as alone as you may think.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 11:05:48 AM
There's loads of growth to be had within the alumni circles for sure, people got apathetic during Wojo and need to be redrawn in. Almost a decade of students were left with their highlight being 2/3 of a great season followed by an epic collapse with some slightly above average years mixed in. Those young alumni need to be drawn in. Not to mention the amount of student that had Covid years so the excitement was taken from them.
There's a decent amount of non MU grads on this board, idk what their affiliation is with family but I don't think you're as alone as you may think.
That's good to know!
As far as marketing. I just figure it's never as good and never as bad as we think. Always could be better, definitely could be worse. I think they've been pretty receptive to ideas especially this season.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 11:15:24 AM
That's good to know!
As far as marketing. I just figure it's never as good and never as bad as we think. Always could be better, definitely could be worse. I think they've been pretty receptive to ideas especially this season.
I think the campaigns generally are trying to achieve consideration and brand awareness. That's why we see bumps in attendance after a good season. I think short term attempts at conversions is rather futile given the turn around time
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 11:15:24 AM
That's good to know!
As far as marketing. I just figure it's never as good and never as bad as we think. Always could be better, definitely could be worse. I think they've been pretty receptive to ideas especially this season.
This is...very confusing. It's never as good and never as bad as we think? So our thoughts are spot on, then?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 10:53:36 AM
I understand marketing, but when it comes to growing a fanbase, it is tough to market to those that didn't attend.
I seem to be one of the few (at least in my experience) that is a Marquette and only Marquette basketball fan that didn't attend the University.
Unless you are talking growing within the campus and alumni, but that seems to never have been an issue.
I lived in Richmond for 20 years and knew the city and its people very well. It is not entirely fair to compare Richmond and Milwaukee in terms of growing a fan base, as Richmond has only an AA baseball team and little University of Richmond for A10 football. Milwaukee has both an NBA and MLB team and a huge base of Packer Backers.
With that said....Shaka, VCU, their energetic pep band, Havoc, etc. combined to form a fan base of people who were not alums. The media bought in and the entire effin' city became a gigantic fan base. So...I could not disagree with you more regarding the alleged difficulty of growing a fan base of non-alums. It is not a question of whether or not it can be done. With Shaka as the base, it already
has been done. Whether Marquette ever figures this out, who knows?
Lastly, thanks for being a Marquette fan, alum or not. I think you know I needed to unload on you, but....are we good?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 11:05:48 AM
There's loads of growth to be had within the alumni circles for sure, people got apathetic during Wojo and need to be redrawn in. Almost a decade of students were left with their highlight being 2/3 of a great season followed by an epic collapse with some slightly above average years mixed in. Those young alumni need to be drawn in. Not to mention the amount of student that had Covid years so the excitement was taken from them.
There's a decent amount of non MU grads on this board, idk what their affiliation is with family but I don't think you're as alone as you may think.
Thanks for posting this, Galaway. It is easy to forget the former fans who just got fed up. I do not blame them and the fact that posters here continued to follow the team does not make us superior. Welcome the returnees with open arms!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 14, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
I have bumped this for you 03. You either did not read it or chose to ignore it.
Brew's post just above this motivated me to bump it.
Agree completely.
People ask "what can be done" or say "they'd rather stay home" as opposed to looking at problems like not selling out as an opportunity. Sell these as family four-packs. Offer "first Marquette game" specials for people bringing their kids. Offer a Valentine's Day special for couples. Eat the cost and donate them to local schools or boys and girls clubs, or reach out to donors and have them buy up the remaining to donate. Have additional flash sales. There's one tweet in the past week and zero mention of this on Instagram, maybe push more than one email advertisement.
The job of the marketing department is to get this out there to a broader audience. I get that it's easier to make excuses and throw your hands up (like they often seem to do) when it comes to why they can't pack the Fiserv. If they want to build a sustainable fanbase, selling a top-15 team and blasting that out repeatedly should be the priority, especially with relatively free advertising options like Twitter and Instagram. This is probably why hiring a social media director who had never been on Twitter before taking the job probably wasn't the best idea. He makes nice videos, but their efficiency at optimizing those videos for the platforms they use often just isn't there.
The Big East as a whole does a poor job on social media, and Marquette is no exception. On the YouTube account, the top 50 videos on the GoMarquette account are all from before the Shaka era (most are 7+ years old). Only one of the top-150 most viewed/liked are from the Shaka era, and that was his intro video. Social media is becoming more popular and engagement is going up, but at Marquette it is becoming less frequently viewed and engagement is going down. Maybe that's something they should work on.
One sure fire way to get me to ignore you is to continue blasting me with the same emails over and over again. If I've seen one Tweet trying to get me to buy tickets to a specific game, I've seen a thousand. I don't know many people who see a Tweet to buy X tickets, pass up on it, and then see it again and think, "Heck yeah, I need to be at this game!"
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2023, 11:58:54 AM
One sure fire way to get me to ignore you is to continue blasting me with the same emails over and over again. If I've seen one Tweet trying to get me to buy tickets to a specific game, I've seen a thousand. I don't know many people who see a Tweet to buy X tickets, pass up on it, and then see it again and think, "Heck yeah, I need to be at this game!"
If you see that tweet. And if you miss it, or only log into Twitter once a day or every couple days, or it isn't in your "For You" and you don't flip to "Following" these are easy to miss. But it's really the engagement that's most concerning. They hired a video guy and their video interactions have never been lower.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 14, 2023, 11:19:49 AM
I lived in Richmond for 20 years and knew the city and its people very well. It is not entirely fair to compare Richmond and Milwaukee in terms of growing a fan base, as Richmond has only an AA baseball team and little University of Richmond for A10 football. Milwaukee has both an NBA and MLB team and a huge base of Packer Backers.
With that said....Shaka, VCU, their energetic pep band, Havoc, etc. combined to form a fan base of people who were not alums. The media bought in and the entire effin' city became a gigantic fan base. So...I could not disagree with you more regarding the alleged difficulty of growing a fan base of non-alums. It is not a question of whether or not it can be done. With Shaka as the base, it already has been done. Whether Marquette ever figures this out, who knows?
Lastly, thanks for being a Marquette fan, alum or not. I think you know I needed to unload on you, but....are we good?
All good!
Quote from: withoutbias on February 14, 2023, 11:18:43 AM
This is...very confusing. It's never as good and never as bad as we think? So our thoughts are spot on, then?
Not confusing at all.
Some think the marketing is horrible, some think it is good. Reality is, it is probably somewhere in between.
The Milwaukee Milk Men run a lot of good promotions and it's still a struggle to get people through the gates.
Putting a quality product on the floor for multiple years in a row is 1000x more effective than the greatest marketing concepts known to man.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 14, 2023, 11:25:22 AM
It is easy to forget the former fans who just got fed up. I do not blame them and the fact that posters here continued to follow the team does not make us superior. Welcome the returnees with open arms!
Those who got fed up from 2014-2021 ... I don't blame them, either. Welcome back!
But those who looked at Shaka's amazing work last season but still said they were leaving Marquette fandom forever ... good riddance, they're banned from the bandwagon. Same with those who never liked Shaka because of his race and/or his work promoting racial equity. Screw them, too, we don't need 'em.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 02:02:37 PM
Not confusing at all.
Some think the marketing is horrible, some think it is good. Reality is, it is probably somewhere in between.
Why?
I think the product on the court is the best marketing they can offer. They have done a great job this year.
I did not entirely stop watching the last couple of years of the Wojo era, but definitely pretty much checked out on my interest level. I have gone to more games, and spent more money on going to games, over the past two seasons than I did turning the last few pre pandemic seasons under Wojo. I went to games under Wojo and enjoyed many of them, but not enough to fully engage.
MU fans are out there, and more are coming back. If they keep winning, I would be surprised if there was not an uptick in attendance next season. MU has had at three road games this year, plus Ft. Myers, with very large MU crowds and that shows he excitement level is on the rise. This team has won back more fans with their play than any marketing idea out there.
Last point, students are a tough sell and looks like they are all in. Students have a lot of options in life and if they bought in, that is a great sign.
Shaka subtly hinting to the students to have better chants
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrls8bS4ZVU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
5.5 point favorite at the open for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1625616092625248287?t=O-THR8TujIoT117m2ssNlw&s=19
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1625610191050776582
Sounds like Boum may not be his 100% self
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 04:16:00 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1625616092625248287?t=O-THR8TujIoT117m2ssNlw&s=19
Marketing sucks
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2023, 04:16:00 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1625616092625248287?t=O-THR8TujIoT117m2ssNlw&s=19
I actually think the social media accounts are the best they have ever been. Another outstanding video.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 14, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1625610191050776582
Sounds like Boum may not be his 100% self
They're trying to play possum. Healthy or not, we should win this one.
Jake
MU is winning tomorrow, and I am leaning towards a big win.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2023, 05:02:05 PM
Jake
MU is winning tomorrow, and I am leaning towards a big win.
They are indeed playing possum, but doesn't matter.
Sean Jones has been AWESOME since returning from injury. He and Stevie will give Boum major pressure whether he's 1% or 100% healthy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 14, 2023, 04:58:10 PM
I actually think the social media accounts are the best they have ever been. Another outstanding video.
Again, it comes down to engagement. If they aren't getting the engagement, that's a place they should be working to improve. You can make the prettiest video in the world but if only diehards who are already engaged with the program are seeing it, you aren't doing the job of growing your fanbase.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
Shaka subtly hinting to the students to have better chants
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrls8bS4ZVU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
Thought he handled that well. While I'm not personally offended by them, I think the F U chants are somewhat cringey, embarrassing and unoriginal. I liked that he did it without sounding like he was scolding anyone.
I love the student section being on both ends in Fiserv. I'm surprised and think it is a missed opportunity to have some good chants back and forth between the two ends, even simple stuff like We Are....Marquette, De Fense, or something far more creative than those. I think it would add some life to the arena.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 05:11:36 PM
Again, it comes down to engagement. If they aren't getting the engagement, that's a place they should be working to improve. You can make the prettiest video in the world but if only diehards who are already engaged with the program are seeing it, you aren't doing the job of growing your fanbase.
How do you know that this is the case? Do you know what audiences they are targeting with these videos?
brew
As you know I am on old guy and still active on FB, but I think they have done a good job getting engagement on FB. The level of engagement this year over last year has grown a great deal. I have been critical on MU as whole over the years but give them a passing grade for promoting the program this year.
I do think the best barometer of the marketing is to see how the students respond. I think it was Shooter, but someone noted there was a buzz on campus. To me, they are a harder sell than anyone.
One last point, I stopped attending games years ago on regular basis because I had three kids in travel hockey and one in travel soccer. Forget the cost of that, it simply took all of our time. I think that plays into why some fans just cannot attend as much as they like to.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 14, 2023, 05:12:50 PM
Thought he handled that well. While I'm not personally offended by them, I think the F U chants are somewhat cringey, embarrassing and unoriginal. I liked that he did it without sounding like he was scolding anyone.
I love the student section being on both ends in Fiserv. I'm surprised and think it is a missed opportunity to have some good chants back and forth between the two ends, even simple stuff like We Are....Marquette, De Fense, or something far more creative than those. I think it would add some life to the arena.
What happened to the big Marquette flag? The Fanatics passing out chant playbooks? Students dressing up in unitards? The LAX Bois with their antics? The Boxer Boys?
#soft
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2023, 05:18:28 PM
What happened to the big Marquette flag? The Fanatics passing out chant playbooks? Students dressing up in unitards? The LAX Bois with their antics? The Boxer Boys?
#soft
The Wojo era killed some of the traditions I'm sure. All it takes is 1 student or group of students to start a new tradition or bring some of the old ones back!
No crowds due to COVID had nothing to do with it, I am sure.
I remember some high energy NIT crowds at the AL during the Wojo era.
tower
One of my favorite Wojo moments happened during the Covid years and I think all of us went crazy when Lewis made the last second tip against the Badgers. It is moments like that which make me love being on scoop. I pictured scoopers ranging 50 years in age all going crazy at home. Another great moment was the 5 point comeback at Creighton in the last two seconds. Great scoop moments.
Quote from: tower912 on February 14, 2023, 05:50:25 PM
No crowds due to COVID had nothing to do with it, I am sure.
I remember some high energy NIT crowds at the AL during the Wojo era.
The atmosphere at those NIT games was awesome. Could have easily gone either way.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2023, 05:56:32 PM
tower
One of my favorite Wojo moments happened during the Covid years and I think all of us went crazy when Lewis made the last second tip against the Badgers. It is moments like that which make me love being on scoop. I pictured scoopers ranging 50 years in age all going crazy at home. Another great moment was the 5 point comeback at Creighton in the last two seconds. Great scoop moments.
Cops were definitely called on my party at the end of that game.
Unleash
My advice that night was get drunk and get laid. Those are nights you do not forget, at least most of it.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2023, 06:12:16 PM
Unleash
My advice that night was get drunk and get laid. Those are nights you do not forget, at least most of it.
+1million
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
Shaka subtly hinting to the students to have better chants
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrls8bS4ZVU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
Glad to see it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
Shaka subtly hinting to the students to have better chants
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrls8bS4ZVU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
Listening to Shaka is always enlightening. Such good perspective. Thought it was interesting that he mentioned he felt toward the back half of last year Kam was the team's best scorer but "some of the older guys" didn't understand or buy into recognizing Kam's scoring talent.
If Porky wasn't departing for a long-planned overseas trip on Thursday that should have occurred 2+ years ago but didn't due to the pandemic, Porky would have absolutely taken a couple of days off to fly out for this game.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 14, 2023, 09:16:26 PM
Listening to Shaka is always enlightening. Such good perspective. Thought it was interesting that he mentioned he felt toward the back half of last year Kam was the team's best scorer but "some of the older guys" didn't understand or buy into recognizing Kam's scoring talent.
Probably Greg.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 14, 2023, 09:16:26 PM
Listening to Shaka is always enlightening. Such good perspective. Thought it was interesting that he mentioned he felt toward the back half of last year Kam was the team's best scorer but "some of the older guys" didn't understand or buy into recognizing Kam's scoring talent.
That is interesting, and not the first time he has taken gentle swipes at Lewis and Morsell. Of course, the coach has some control over that, too. "Some of the older guys" can't stop Kam from getting the basketball if they're on the bench. Just sayin'.
Great Tyler Kolek spotlight on FS1 right now. Hopefully we are able to view that somewhere.
Cool stuff!
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2023, 09:26:45 PM
That is interesting, and not the first time he has taken gentle swipes at Lewis and Morsell. Of course, the coach has some control over that, too. "Some of the older guys" can't stop Kam from getting the basketball if they're on the bench. Just sayin'.
I've been noticing that, as well. Kolek made mention in a podcast interview that the ball often stopped with Lewis and Morsell so that is why the offense is more free flowing this year. He was complimentary of them in other ways, but that stood out to me a bit as there seemed to be some frustration there.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
Shaka subtly hinting to the students to have better chants
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrls8bS4ZVU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D
Oh, you think he is saying, "F--- (Teamname)" isn't clever?
Personally, I think it's about as clever as chanting, "Public School" at the Madison kids.
The two most cringe chants ever.
Heck, Marquette put it out on a 39 second clip
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1625887823109693441?s=20
Need to do better than F - Xavier
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 15, 2023, 10:34:54 AM
Oh, you think he is saying, "F--- (Teamname)" isn't clever?
Personally, I think it's about as clever as chanting, "Public School" at the Madison kids.
The two most cringe chants ever.
We chanted "public school"? That's pathetic... and not just because I went to public HS and Grad School but just exactly why MU has the stereotype in WI it does...
Damn ! ! ! I gotta miss this, what's gonna be an awesome game tonight. I have to do the Colonoscopy Prep tonight for my procedure tomorrow.. i scheduled it before the schedule was posted!!! Well I have an MU Grad in my place.
PLEASE, cheer and cheer LOUD for our WARRIORS to bring home a big W ! ! ! :( 8-)
If our student section was worth a damn, they would embrace Shaka's "Be a Domino" mantra and pretend to knock each other down in a snaking pattern to distract opposing free throw shooters.
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on February 15, 2023, 01:22:25 PM
Damn ! ! ! I gotta miss this, what's gonna be an awesome game tonight. I have to do the Colonoscopy Prep tonight for my procedure tomorrow.. i scheduled it before the schedule was posted!!! Well I have an MU Grad in my place.
PLEASE, cheer and cheer LOUD for our WARRIORS to bring home a big W ! ! ! :( 8-)
That stinks.
It's really sh!tty.
I can't believe that crap.
At least the Crystal Bowel was right about our first 2024 recruit.
Bartolo Colon wishes you the best.
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on February 15, 2023, 01:22:25 PM
Damn ! ! ! I gotta miss this, what's gonna be an awesome game tonight. I have to do the Colonoscopy Prep tonight for my procedure tomorrow.. i scheduled it before the schedule was posted!!! Well I have an MU Grad in my place.
PLEASE, cheer and cheer LOUD for our WARRIORS to bring home a big W ! ! ! :( 8-)
Be sure to ask the doc, after the colonoscopy is completed, to write a note for your wife assuring her that your head is NOT up there.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2023, 01:40:25 PM
Be sure to ask the doc, after the colonoscopy is completed, to write a note for your wife assuring her that your head is NOT up there.
And that I'm a Perfect A$$hole ! ! ! lol 8-)
Quote from: barfolomew on February 15, 2023, 01:35:38 PM
If our student section was worth a damn, they would embrace Shaka's "Be a Domino" mantra and pretend to knock each other down in a snaking pattern to distract opposing free throw shooters.
Actually a great idea......however Im expecting more 'F U Xavier' than anything else.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 15, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
Actually a great idea......however Im expecting more 'F U Xavier' than anything else.
They should throw used three musketeers wrappers in the air after we make our first shot
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on February 15, 2023, 01:22:25 PM
Damn ! ! ! I gotta miss this, what's gonna be an awesome game tonight. I have to do the Colonoscopy Prep tonight for my procedure tomorrow.. i scheduled it before the schedule was posted!!! Well I have an MU Grad in my place.
PLEASE, cheer and cheer LOUD for our WARRIORS to bring home a big W ! ! ! :( 8-)
put a TV in the john?
Not great news for Xavier:
@JonRothstein
Xavier's Kam Craft is expected to miss 3-4 weeks due to a knee injury, per a school spokesman. Desmond Claude (non COVID illness) is OUT for tonight's game against Marquette and did not travel to Milwaukee.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 15, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
Not great news for Xavier:
@JonRothstein
Xavier's Kam Craft is expected to miss 3-4 weeks due to a knee injury, per a school spokesman. Desmond Claude (non COVID illness) is OUT for tonight's game against Marquette and did not travel to Milwaukee.
Not having Claude doesn't help. He's playing 20 minutes per game, but isn't super effective in those minutes. If Boum is hampered by the ankle then it becomes a problem, but it could cause their better players to just play more minutes.
Hope Sean and Stevie make Boum's life miserable tonight.
Craft was playing 7 minutes per game on the season. His absence doesn't do anything for them.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on February 15, 2023, 04:26:10 PM
put a TV in the john?
A real fan would just put on some Depends.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 04:50:12 PM
Not having Claude doesn't help. He's playing 20 minutes per game, but isn't super effective in those minutes. If Boum is hampered by the ankle then it becomes a problem, but it could cause their better players to just play more minutes.
Hope Sean and Stevie make Boum's life miserable tonight.
Craft was playing 7 minutes per game on the season. His absence doesn't do anything for them.
Claude is one of their better perimiter defenders and adds length to disrupt.
Hes absolutely a big loss when they already dont have Freemantle.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 04:50:12 PM
Not having Claude doesn't help. He's playing 20 minutes per game, but isn't super effective in those minutes. If Boum is hampered by the ankle then it becomes a problem, but it could cause their better players to just play more minutes.
Hope Sean and Stevie make Boum's life miserable tonight.
Craft was playing 7 minutes per game on the season. His absence doesn't do anything for them.
John Fanta thinks it's a big deal:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1625987773155930113
Quote from: warriorchick on February 15, 2023, 04:56:52 PM
John Fanta thinks it's a big deal:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1625987773155930113
The betting guys on field of 68 do too.
COnsidering when they filmed their show they thought Claude was available and mentioned that Boum being limited wouldnt be the worst thing. Because Hunter and Claude guarding the perimiter is X's best defense.
$$$$$$$$$ on the over aina
We'll see. Yes, if Boum is hobbled it's a big deal no doubt. But if he's not, having no bench isn't a big deal for an entire season, let alone a single game.
I'm interested to see what we do defensively with Xavier. I believe the first game we had Oso on Freemantle. Obviously with no Freemantle that'll free up Oso to guard Nunge. What's interesting is that Creighton had a ton of success mucking it up by putting Kalk on Hunter, who is a total non threat from outside or mid range, and just ignored Hunter offensively and had Kalk playing a 1 man zone at the rim. I wonder if there's a chance we keep OMax on Nunge so he can guard on the perimeter and let Oso protect the rim while guarding Hunter. Either way, not letting up second chance points will be the deciding factor in this one.
Of note, I think Creighton will do the same with Oso next week.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2023, 05:56:32 PM
tower
One of my favorite Wojo moments happened during the Covid years and I think all of us went crazy when Lewis made the last second tip against the Badgers. It is moments like that which make me love being on scoop. I pictured scoopers ranging 50 years in age all going crazy at home. Another great moment was the 5 point comeback at Creighton in the last two seconds. Great scoop moments.
70 years in age!
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 05:05:36 PM
We'll see. Yes, if Boum is hobbled it's a big deal no doubt. But if he's not, having no bench isn't a big deal for an entire season, let alone a single game.
I'm interested to see what we do defensively with Xavier. I believe the first game we had Oso on Freemantle. Obviously with no Freemantle that'll free up Oso to guard Nunge. What's interesting is that Creighton had a ton of success mucking it up by putting Kalk on Hunter, who is a total non threat from outside or mid range, and just ignored Hunter offensively and had Kalk playing a 1 man zone at the rim. I wonder if there's a chance we keep OMax on Nunge so he can guard on the perimeter and let Oso protect the rim while guarding Hunter. Either way, not letting up second chance points will be the deciding factor in this one.
Of note, I think Creighton will do the same with Oso next week.
Claude is much better than Tandy who will be the guy getting most of his minutes. He's a big loss when they're already thin.
I think we may see oso on hunter and omax on Nunge
Just more minutes for their better players.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 14, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
If Porky wasn't departing for a long-planned overseas trip on Thursday that should have occurred 2+ years ago but didn't due to the pandemic, Porky would have absolutely taken a couple of days off to fly out for this game.
Safe Travels .
Marquette is the only team in the Big East without back to back losses.
This is the obvious stretch where that could change. Need a bounceback in the 2nd half to keep that alive!
....or beat Creighton on Tuesday!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Marquette is the only team in the Big East without back to back losses.
This is the obvious stretch where that could change. Need a bounceback in the 2nd half to keep that alive!
....or beat Creighton on Tuesday!
We're down 4 at halftime and this dude's already celebrating a losing streak.
Quote from: withoutbias on February 15, 2023, 06:56:21 PM
We're down 4 at halftime and this dude's already celebrating a losing streak.
I noted that we are the only team in the Big East that hasn't lost back to back games this year. You don't think that's a good thing?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Marquette is the only team in the Big East without back to back losses.
This is the obvious stretch where that could change. Need a bounceback in the 2nd half to keep that alive!
....or beat Creighton on Tuesday!
COLE
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 15, 2023, 08:34:24 PM
COLE
Idk what that means, but all I said is they need to pick it up in the 2nd half or not lose to Creighton.
They did!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 08:35:25 PM
Idk what that means, but all I said is they need to pick it up in the 2nd half or not lose to Creighton.
They did!
Not piling on but you post here a ton - how do you not know what that means?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
Not piling on but you post here a ton - how do you not know what that means?
He misses a lot of things like Shaka considered for coach awards.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
Not piling on but you post here a ton - how do you not know what that means?
No idea. Pile away.
By the way...did anybody see Hunter step over the line on that final inbounds pass? Clear as day.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 08:52:58 PM
By the way...did anybody see Hunter step over the line on that final inbounds pass? Clear as day.
Would love to see the replay. I missed that. But why no defender on the inbounder? I don't get that. Yeah you have 5 coveting 4 but increase risk of foul, and they got the pass anyway! And got a shot off!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 08:52:58 PM
By the way...did anybody see Hunter step over the line on that final inbounds pass? Clear as day.
Yes, on the replay.!
Jimmy Mac noticed too!
https://twitter.com/jimmcilvaine/status/1626041808256901121?s=61&t=4TbN5bHCG6KAwweeAc1Fhg
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 15, 2023, 09:03:54 PM
Yes, on the replay.!
Pat Driscoll is horrid. Really poor game by this crew.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
Pat Driscoll is horrid. Really poor game by this crew.
Even more obvious from the TV view and the ref was standing right there. Can clearly see he stepped in play. Wild.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
Pat Driscoll is horrid. Really poor game by this crew.
The crew was awful tonight. 8 fouls the entire first half, then random ticky tack crap down the stretch after bodies on the floor seconds before. I honestly don't know if it favored one team or the other, but it just was horribly inconsistent officiating tonight.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
Pat Driscoll is horrid. Really poor game by this crew.
His charge call on O-Max was horrible, particularly when balanced against the fact that a few possession earlier, Kolek absolutely got bulldozed and no call. Have to be consistent there. That call against OMax was a huge moment in the game.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 15, 2023, 09:30:04 PM
The crew was awful tonight. 8 fouls the entire first half, then random ticky tack crap down the stretch after bodies on the floor seconds before. I honestly don't know if it favored one team or the other, but it just was horribly inconsistent officiating tonight.
Yea. It went from a football game to super tight to back to football.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 15, 2023, 09:31:26 PM
His charge call on O-Max was horrible, particularly when balanced against the fact that a few possession earlier, Kolek absolutely got bulldozed and no call. Have to be consistent there. That call against OMax was a huge moment in the game.
I was convinced that one call cost us the Bug East title at the time.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 15, 2023, 09:33:44 PM
I was convinced that one call cost us the Bug East title at the time.
Not a problem. We squished the bug. :D
Congrats to the team.
Just going by this ugly-ass box score I would have said that was a big L:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401485266
Quote from: Daniel on February 15, 2023, 09:03:38 PM
Would love to see the replay. I missed that. But why no defender on the inbounder? I don't get that. Yeah you have 5 coveting 4 but increase risk of foul, and they got the pass anyway! And got a shot off!
Yes Daniel......I said the same thing. Why not put Ben on the ball there? Nunge actually git a pretty decent look.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 15, 2023, 09:33:44 PM
I was convinced that one call cost us the Bug East title at the time.
Had a similar thought. I was amazed (in a good way) at Shaka's composure in that moment. It happened right in front of him. He wasn't happy but he didn't go ballistic, no "air punches," he just took looked to the rafters like WTF. I think that calmness he has carries over to the team, and helps to calm them as well.
Noticed it when it happened. Gold on the inbounder. Or Keeyan jumping.
Everything about this game was epic. Both teams. Both coaches. Both efforts. Classic game
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
Pat Driscoll is horrid. Really poor game by this crew.
As bad as my bruised bone Doc
Boum had a good game but he flopped a million times.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2023, 09:56:45 PM
Noticed it when it happened. Gold on the inbounder. Or Keeyan jumping.
I couldn't believe I had to agree with Gillen. I really wanted Gold on the inbounder.
Nunge got off a really make-able shot. Too close for comfort!
Again, I've never seen a full court heave pass be blocked by someone guarding the inbounder. And he could run the baseline, so just having some guy doing jumping jacks would make one defender completely useless.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 10:34:52 PM
Again, I've never seen a full court heave pass be blocked by someone guarding the inbounder. And he could run the baseline, so just having some guy doing jumping jacks would make one defender completely useless.
Respectfully disagree, wades.
You can disrupt the inbounder's vision, you can distract him, you can fluster him. Anything so a guy isn't just standing there, able to lock in on his target, stride forward and throw the exact pass he wanted. As for being able to run the baseline ... it's very difficult to throw a perfect 65-70 foot pass while running.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 10:34:52 PM
Again, I've never seen a full court heave pass be blocked by someone guarding the inbounder. And he could run the baseline, so just having some guy doing jumping jacks would make one defender completely useless.
It's actually a little dangerous too. I thought the Xavier guy was going to set a screen and kolek could have been called for a foul for running into him. Shaka backed him off though. Happened in a badger game.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 06:23:25 PM
Just more minutes for their better players.
Lol. KyKy Tandy finished with 24 minutes. He averaged 2.3 minutes per game in the 9 Big East games he managed to get into before tonight.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2023, 12:10:04 AM
Lol. KyKy Tandy finished with 24 minutes. He averaged 2.3 minutes per game in the 9 Big East games he managed to get into before tonight.
That was also 90% due to Kunkel fouling out/foul trouble
Quote from: Shark on February 16, 2023, 12:20:23 AM
That was also 90% due to Kunkel fouling out/foul trouble
No. Kunkel played 28 minutes. So at very most foul trouble could have accounted for 50% of Tandy's minutes and it wasn't that much because Kunkel wasn't going to play 40 minutes.
Even if it was 90%, it doesn't matter. Claude would have a been much better replacement for Kunkel than Tandy was. I'm not one who believes you need a deep bench to win a college basketball game, but losing your 6th man when you only have a 6 man rotation due to another injury is a big deal.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2023, 12:52:11 AM
No. Kunkel played 28 minutes. So at very most foul trouble could have accounted for 50% of Tandy's minutes and it wasn't that much because Kunkel wasn't going to play 40 minutes.
Even if it was 90%, it doesn't matter. Claude would have a been much better replacement for Kunkel than Tandy was. I'm not one who believes you need a deep bench to win a college basketball game, but losing your 6th man when you only have a 6 man rotation due to another injury is a big deal.
Eh, X fans can cry me a River about how they would have won a Big East title if they had a competent bench. Not much of an argument in the grand scheme things.
Boum played, Nunge played and the acrun they hired has already messed up a few division one guys.
Quote from: Shark on February 16, 2023, 12:20:23 AM
That was also 90% due to Kunkel fouling out/foul trouble
Kunkel fouling out is key reason why missing a guy like Claude having depth matters though.
You cant expect to play basketball games and have all 5 starters play the whole game and never have foul trouble. It could happen......but not likely.
Heck, X is fortunate that the game for both teams was called very loose for most of it.
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 10:41:14 PM
Respectfully disagree, wades.
You can disrupt the inbounder's vision, you can distract him, you can fluster him. Anything so a guy isn't just standing there, able to lock in on his target, stride forward and throw the exact pass he wanted. As for being able to run the baseline ... it's very difficult to throw a perfect 65-70 foot pass while running.
Well, I guess it was a good thing the Xavier inbounder decided to run the baseline on his own, step on the line (uncalled), and missed his target by about 15 feet (Nunge was essentially posting up Oso on the Big East logo for the pass, and caught it on the sideline above the 3 point line).
Here's what I'm wondering about the rule... if indeed the rule is that you can step on, but not over, does that mean the entire foot has to be over the line? Because his toes were pretty clearly in bounds.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 16, 2023, 09:00:42 AM
Here's what I'm wondering about the rule... if indeed the rule is that you can step on, but not over, does that mean the entire foot has to be over the line? Because his toes were pretty clearly in bounds.
Even if just your toes touch the line it is a violation.
Regarding last nights situation, I agree with Shaka not putting anyone on the inbounder. With 1.6 seconds left, it's a catch and shoot situation. Any dribble and the clock expires.
Just swarm the ball on the catch with that little time left.
Anything above two seconds when a dribble comes into play, it's malpractice not to have someone on the inbounder.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 16, 2023, 06:57:32 AM
Kunkel fouling out is key reason why missing a guy like Claude having depth matters though.
You cant expect to play basketball games and have all 5 starters play the whole game and never have foul trouble. It could happen......but not likely.
Heck, X is fortunate that the game for both teams was called very loose for most of it.
Creighton expects that.
Marquette must show them that it's not realistic!
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 10:41:14 PM
Respectfully disagree, wades.
You can disrupt the inbounder's vision, you can distract him, you can fluster him. Anything so a guy isn't just standing there, able to lock in on his target, stride forward and throw the exact pass he wanted. As for being able to run the baseline ... it's very difficult to throw a perfect 65-70 foot pass while running.
With the inbounder able to run the baseline in that situation there is no way you should put a guy on him. Very easy for a player to start one way, juke back the other and be "wide open" to throw a standing pass, the same as if no one was there to begin with.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on February 16, 2023, 09:46:36 AM
With the inbounder able to run the baseline in that situation there is no way you should put a guy on him. Very easy for a player to start one way, juke back the other and be "wide open" to throw a standing pass, the same as if no one was there to begin with.
Not rocket science - you know a right hander will almost certainly run to his right so to not throw across his body. It's not difficult to guard.
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
Does this mean we are going to start getting lots of FT attempts now too?
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
For sure. The only school that should have a grip over this though is Creighton though. In my eyes, they are the only other team really playing at Marquettes level in BE play.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on February 16, 2023, 09:46:36 AM
With the inbounder able to run the baseline in that situation there is no way you should put a guy on him. Very easy for a player to start one way, juke back the other and be "wide open" to throw a standing pass, the same as if no one was there to begin with.
Listened to this one on the radio: Homer wanted a guy on the inbounder. Tony Smith said no—it was more important keep the pass from near the arc or inside of it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
we're also 2-5 in 2 possession games so, not really a providence.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
Certainly doesnt help that we got absolutely jobbed by refs @Providence
Quote from: jfp61 on February 16, 2023, 10:44:22 AM
we're also 2-5 in 2 possession games so, not really a providence.
More pointing out how last year they got fortunate with who they faced and when, though they had the added benefit of avoiding some difficult games.
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Is this not over the line? Is it the wood color or one of the stripes?
Quote from: CAGASS24 on February 16, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
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Is this not over the line? Is it the wood color or one of the stripes?
Ageed. This isn't 'nam. There are rules.
It's a league game.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on February 16, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
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Is this not over the line? Is it the wood color or one of the stripes?
Honestly, it's hard for me to tell from that picture.
I think the question is if the ball was in play, what would be OOB? I suspect that as soon as they touch that first navy line, they are OOB. I
believe , then, that as long as they are not
over that blue line (and into the wood) they are not over the line. I honestly cannot tell from that picture if his toe is completely over the blue line and touching the wood.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2023, 08:52:58 PM
By the way...did anybody see Hunter step over the line on that final inbounds pass? Clear as day.
Yep, clear as day
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Is this not over the line? Is it the wood color or one of the stripes?
If I understand the rule correctly, he can step
on the line, but not beyond it. So, as long as his toe is on the blue, but not the wood color, he's good.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Not to go full Providence, but it certainly doesn't hurt that we got Creighton without Kalkbrenner, Providence without Bynum, and Xavier without Freemantle or Claude at home this year.
I won't go through it all, but Bynum missed numerous conference games as has Freemantle. So other teams will get the benefit as well. Kalkbrenner only missed 1 conference game it looks like.
Marquette has had the misfortune of not having Zach Wrightsill all season and we have been able to work around that. Sean Jones has missed some games as well.
Quote from: Badgerhater on February 16, 2023, 10:40:51 AM
Listened to this one on the radio: Homer wanted a guy on the inbounder. Tony Smith said no—it was more important keep the pass from near the arc or inside of it.
Near the arc or inside of it?
Then why not put Oso, Ben, Keeyan, OMax and Jop back deep?
Not sure the value of Kam and Stevie in T Smith's opinion.
You forgot about Ellis. If he had made progress similar to the rest of the returnees, as well as grown, he could have been an impact sub.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 16, 2023, 03:53:20 PM
Marquette has had the misfortune of not having Zach Wrightsill all season and we have been able to work around that. Sean Jones has missed some games as well.
No disrespect, but I'd hesitate to compare the absence of Zach Wrightsill to Kalkbrenner, Bynum or Freemantle.
Acknowledging that MU has benefited from some opponents missing key players doesn't have to diminish what MU has accomplished.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 16, 2023, 03:53:20 PM
I won't go through it all, but Bynum missed numerous conference games as has Freemantle. So other teams will get the benefit as well. Kalkbrenner only missed 1 conference game it looks like.
Marquette has had the misfortune of not having Zach Wrightsill all season and we have been able to work around that. Sean Jones has missed some games as well.
Jared Bynum, Zach freemantle, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Zach wrightsil and Sean Jones. All of the big east heavy hitters
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 16, 2023, 03:18:21 PM
Honestly, it's hard for me to tell from that picture.
I think the question is if the ball was in play, what would be OOB? I suspect that as soon as they touch that first navy line, they are OOB. I believe , then, that as long as they are not over that blue line (and into the wood) they are not over the line. I honestly cannot tell from that picture if his toe is completely over the blue line and touching the wood.
If you step on line it is a violation both ways, in bounds or out of bounds.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 16, 2023, 09:16:37 PM
If you step on line it is a violation both ways, in bounds or out of bounds.
So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.
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So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.
You're correct.
In fact, the NCAA doesn't even require a line--it permits a solid contrasting color to represent out of bounds.
"Instead of the 2-inch boundaries listed on the Court Diagram, it is legal to use contrasting-colored floor areas by painting the out-of-bounds area, the center circle, and the free-throw lanes and lines so that the mathematical
line between the two colors is the boundary. Such a contrasting-colored out-of bounds belt should be at least 8 inches wide."
Quote from: Pakuni on February 17, 2023, 08:08:08 AM
So you're saying the line is both in bounds and out of bounds, like some kind of demilitarized zone, depending on which way the ball is headed?
I don't think that's accurate. The line is always considered out of bounds.
No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.
My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?
Quote from: mug644 on February 17, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.
My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?
They could not.
Quote from: mug644 on February 17, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
No. Newsie is saying that if you are in-bounds (ie, dribbling or catching a pass) and you step on any part of the line, you are out of bounds and that is a violation. Similarly, if you are out of bounds and passing the ball in (ie, the scenario being discussed) and you step on any part of the line, that is a violation.
My question is, if Xavier had scored, could the refs have looked at the replay and retroactively called the violation, wiped off those X points and awarded MU the ball?
But, I think what Paukuni and The Equalizer are saying is that Newsie is wrong. In fact, The Equalizer explained that according to the NCAA there doesn't even have to be a line. There can be a wood floor and solid-colored OOB area. If you touch the solid-colored area, you're OOB. If you're standing in the solid-colored area on a throw in, you're safely in the OOB area. It's a fact that the court is 94' whether there is a line or a solid-colored OOB. A player making an in-bounds pass is not committing a violation until he steps onto that 94' court. The rule doesn't change if it's a solid-colored OOB (violation if he steps onto the court) or a OOB line (violation if he touches the line).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 17, 2023, 09:59:37 AM
But, I think what Paukuni and The Equalizer are saying is that Newsie is wrong. In fact, The Equalizer explained that according to the NCAA there doesn't even have to be a line. There can be a wood floor and solid-colored OOB area. If you touch the solid-colored area, you're OOB. If you're standing in the solid-colored area on a throw in, you're safely in the OOB area. It's a fact that the court is 94' whether there is a line or a solid-colored OOB. A player making an in-bounds pass is not committing a violation until he steps onto that 94' court. The rule doesn't change if it's a solid-colored OOB (violation if he steps onto the court) or a OOB line (violation if he touches the line).
Correct. The line is always out of bounds.
It's not out of bounds when the play is on the court, but then in bounds on a throw in.