Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
Beard is that good.
Yeah because being a three seed last year they weren't a title contender...
Texas was a 3 seed, won the conference tournament and was highly ranked all last year .
Their top two scorers are Andrew Jones & Courtney Ramey, so clearly it's still because of Shaka ;D
Chris Beard is a better coach than Shaka Smart.
I don't think it makes anybody less of a Marquette fan or even less of a Shaka fan to admit that. Beard is better than most coaches.
I guess it's accurate to say Shaka had Texas as a "title contender" last year because they were a 3 seed, but that's one year and they ended up humiliating themselves against a team of midgets in the first round. Shaka was 10-22 in his second year at Texas; I'd be willing to bet anybody some serious money than Beard won't be 10-22 at Texas in 2022-23.
The fact that Beard is better than Shaka doesn't mean Shaka was a bad hire for Marquette. So far, he seems to be a good hire. Ultimately, time and results will determine if he was a good hire, a great hire, a bad hire, whatever. It's always about results -- long-term, repeatable results.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Beard is that good.
Beard and the transfer portal.
And Beard took over a UT program in better shape than Shaka took over.
Sure.
1. Beard is really really good.
2. They still could easily lose by 10 tonight.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 13, 2021, 02:56:42 PM
1. Beard is really really good.
2. They still could easily lose by 10 tonight.
Texas is will roll tonight.
Beard and Shaka have the same amount of Final Four appearances.
Let's also not forget that Beard had double digit losses in 4 out of 5 years at Texas Tech.
Yes, he is a very good coach, but I'd put him a little below Jay Wright on the coaching ledger.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 13, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
Your lack of knowledge with anything to do with college basketball is truly mind-blowing to me. How can you follow college basketball as closely as it appears that you do and still be so clueless?
Beard can't be that good. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7S6If9Q0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7S6If9Q0g)
There are several reasons but mainly, Beard is a better coach than Shaka at this point. I don't think anyone would argue that.
Quote from: Jockey on November 13, 2021, 03:18:08 PM
Let's also not forget that Beard had double digit losses in 4 out of 5 years at Texas Tech.
Yes, he is a very good coach, but I'd put him a little below Jay Wright on the coaching ledger.
Let's not ignore the fact that since the B12 started in 97, TT has only had a winning record in conference seven times. Beard had three of them and took them to a final four and elite eight.
He's absolutely elite and will quickly make Texas one of the best programs in the country.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 13, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
Can you explain the whole Rick Barnes thing to me as well. In all seriousness...since MU hired Shaka you have seemed pissed...but I don't think it has anything to do with his coaching or record..
He is. Spell it out, nlw.
My only problem with the Shaka hiring is that we past on Moser, who I believe is the better coach. Of course it is possible that Moser was not interested in MU, but I was very disappointed when we did not get Moser.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
Can you explain the whole Rick Barnes thing to me as well. In all seriousness...since MU hired Shaka you have seemed pissed...but I don't think it has anything to do with his coaching or record..
He wanted Moser
MU fooked up. Shoulda hired Beard, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 13, 2021, 07:02:33 PM
MU fooked up. Shoulda hired Beard, hey?
Agreed...though I would have settled for Brad Stevens, Mark Few, or Jay Wright.
Quote from: bilsu on November 13, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
My only problem with the Shaka hiring is that we past on Moser, who I believe is the better coach. Of course it is possible that Moser was not interested in MU, but I was very disappointed when we did not get Moser.
Doubt if MU made any serious run at Moser. Shaka was the name brand they wanted.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:36:27 PM
Agreed...though I would have settled for Brad Stevens, Mark Few, or Jay Wright.
That would have been a good staff. What do you figure? Steven's as HC with Wright and Few as ACs?
Quote from: willie warrior on November 13, 2021, 07:46:17 PM
Doubt if MU made any serious run at Moser. Shaka was the name brand they wanted.
False. As discussed here, some on the BOT wanted Moser but Scholl backed by Lovell wanted Shaka. Let the pros hire their choice.
Just glad we didn't get your choice, Wardle. He is 0-2 to start versus some cupcakes.
Quote from: panda on November 13, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
Texas is will roll tonight.
Hope to god you didn't bet money on that
Quote from: panda on November 13, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
Texas is will roll tonight.
Texas is down 20 at half.
Are we sure Texas has "turned into a title contender" since Shaka left? They're even thinner down low than MU is. And they'll need to "contend" with teams like Gonzaga to "contend" for a title. They certainly don't look like they're ready to do that.
I hope Shaka would at least come up with a better gameplan for his defense against Gonzaga than Beard has. Letting an unathletic, thin 6'6" guy defend Timme one on one all game seems to be going about as well as you'd think it'd go.
Scoop hype train, as usual, way off the mark. Texas getting shellacked. I see them as a 6-8 seed come tourney time. Certainly good - but they aren't a Top 10 team, and Beard is not that incrementally better than Shaka.
Texas was undoubtedly a more complete team last year. This Texas team is weeeeeak inside.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 13, 2021, 11:23:24 PM
Texas was undoubtedly a more complete team last year. This Texas team is weeeeeak inside.
They will definitely get better as the year goes on with this team assembled of transfers from all over.
But they are laughably far off from the 4 teams currently ranked ahead of them.
I think they have a big man from Vandy coming soon too.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 10:18:38 PM
Hope to god you didn't bet money on that
You hope to god ? Dramatic much?
I still think Texas will be a top team this year. But wow, Gonzaga is going to make some bad WCC teams looks silly.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 13, 2021, 07:46:17 PM
Doubt if MU made any serious run at Moser. Shaka was the name brand they wanted.
I doubt anything that comes out of your mouth. Explain what you mean by brand?
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 06:31:48 AM
You hope to god ? Dramatic much?
I still think Texas will be a top team this year. But wow, Gonzaga is going to make some bad WCC teams looks silly.
WCC will be sneaky good this year. 4 top 45 KenPom teams. Portland is really bad at the bottom but Gonzaga will get more of a challenge in league this year. If they make it out of the league without a loss, I'll be impressed
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 13, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
Texas got embarrassed
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 07:09:20 AM
WCC will be sneaky good this year. 4 top 45 KenPom teams. Portland is really bad at the bottom but Gonzaga will get more of a challenge in league this year. If they make it out of the league without a loss, I'll be impressed
Hence why I said "bad teams." WCC will be no better or worse than in years past.
O/U 1.5 losses for the Zags in conference would be an interesting prop. I'd take the under.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 07:09:20 AM
WCC will be sneaky good this year. 4 top 45 KenPom teams. Portland is really bad at the bottom but Gonzaga will get more of a challenge in league this year. If they make it out of the league without a loss, I'll be impressed
I am watching Golden and USF.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 07:11:09 AM
Texas got embarrassed
True, but Gonzaga has embarrassed a few teams over the years, and we both know better than to derive any meaning from a regular-season game in mid-November.
And of course, Texas was embarrassed repeatedly the previous 6 years -- including an 11-22 record in Shaka's second season, not to mention 3 first-round NCAAT losses, including the grand finale vs Abilene Christain.
Shaka left VCU for Texas after the 2014-15 season, and that corresponds to when Beard became a D1 head coach. Since then, I don't think too many objective observers would take Shaka Smart's accomplishments as a coach over those of Chris Beard.
Again, I'm NOT saying Shaka was a bad hire for Marquette. The facts simply say his results have paled compared to Beard's. Maybe this season will be the start to that being turned around, and Texas' people will rue the day they ran Shaka out of town to bring in Beard!
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 08:52:36 AM
Hence why I said "bad teams." WCC will be no better or worse than in years past.
O/U 1.5 losses for the Zags in conference would be an interesting prop. I'd take the under.
I'll take the over
Of course he's currently a better coach. It's why he went to what is currently a much more desirable job. The outside view of our program is so different than what some of us seem to think it is. Like we can just go get whoever we want. Gotta earn that, and it's been a long time since we have.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
I'll take the over
Recent history and current talent level is certainly working against you.
Should be fun to watch.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 09:41:14 AM
Recent history and current talent level is certainly working against you.
Should be fun to watch.
Conference play is always wonky, even for the best teams. USF, BYU and St. Mary's are all capable of making the dance. LMU is pretty good, too. It isn't meant to say Gonzaga is overrated, bad or anything like that. I just think they'll be pushed much harder in the league this year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Conference play is always wonky, even for the best teams. USF, BYU and St. Mary's are all capable of making the dance. LMU is pretty good, too. It isn't meant to say Gonzaga is overrated, bad or anything like that. I just think they'll be pushed much harder in the league this year
Looking at their conference results from the last four years, there is nothing wonky about them. They beat teams by at least 10 points in what seems like 98% of games.
It's really unbelievable when you peel back the onion.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 14, 2021, 07:07:13 AM
I doubt anything that comes out of your mouth. Explain what you mean by brand?
And anything that comes from your brain
Shaka was wanted once before by MU, had a reputation as a hot coach from VCU.
Shaka and Moser both would have been good choices
Surely much better than the mediocrity of Wojo-Dukiet
Main point was I don't believe MU made a serious run at Moser. Believe Shaka was MUs first choicr
Quote from: MU1980 on November 13, 2021, 03:27:19 PM
Your lack of knowledge with anything to do with college basketball is truly mind-blowing to me. How can you follow college basketball as closely as it appears that you do and still be so clueless?
Again, hid post has nothing to do with college basketball, it is all about him not liking Shaka's social stances.
Quote from: bilsu on November 13, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
My only problem with the Shaka hiring is that we past on Moser, who I believe is the better coach. Of course it is possible that Moser was not interested in MU, but I was very disappointed when we did not get Moser.
He was.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 13, 2021, 07:46:17 PM
Doubt if MU made any serious run at Moser. Shaka was the name brand they wanted.
They could not see past their nose. Replaced Wojo with another coach who could not win an NCAA game the last 6 years with more NBA draft picks.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 06:31:48 AM
You hope to god ? Dramatic much?
I still think Texas will be a top team this year. But wow, Gonzaga is going to make some bad WCC teams looks silly.
Dramatic would be a mini meltdown over an expression.
And if by top team, you mean top 15. Yeah I'd bet on that.
Top 10? Better hope the Vandy kid is back fast.
They are light years behind Michigan, Gonzaga, Nova, UCLA and Kansas at the very least.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 08:52:36 AM
Hence why I said "bad teams." WCC will be no better or worse than in years past.
O/U 1.5 losses for the Zags in conference would be an interesting prop. I'd take the under.
I might take the under for total losses, pre-tournament.
Texas is a pretty good team and the Zags toyed with them last night. And Holmgren and Sallis are only going to get better as the season progresses.
Quote from: bilsu on November 14, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
They could not see past their nose. Replaced Wojo with another coach who could not win an NCAA game the last 6 years with more NBA draft picks.
Whoever had less than 2 games in the "people turning on Shaka pool" you win.
This board is hilarious sometimes. Can we just rename this thread to the "tinfoil hat pt2" thread?
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 09:59:14 AM
Looking at their conference results from the last four years, there is nothing wonky about them. They beat teams by at least 10 points in what seems like 98% of games.
It's really unbelievable when you peel back the onion.
Right, this year the WCC is much better
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 14, 2021, 11:24:55 AM
Whoever had less than 2 games in the "people turning on Shaka pool" you win.
This board is hilarious sometimes. Can we just rename this thread to the "tinfoil hat pt2" thread?
You're second part is probably more accurate. These people were against Shaka from the beginning. They haven't turned. Now, I also think he can sway some of them by getting decent wins in the upcoming years.
It's also difficult for Moser "fans" (I was not one), to see him potentially having OU outperform MU this year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 11:26:18 AM
Right, this year the WCC is much better
Meh. More of the same. We'll see
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2021, 10:47:29 AM
Dramatic would be a mini meltdown over an expression.
And if by top team, you mean top 15. Yeah I'd bet on that.
Top 10? Better hope the Vandy kid is back fast.
They are light years behind Michigan, Gonzaga, Nova, UCLA and Kansas at the very least.
Mini meltdown? Drama queen like you write about.
Last night didn't change my opinion of them whatsoever. Still an elite team.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 11:33:25 AM
Meh. More of the same. We'll see
4 top 45 KenPom teams. Big East has 4 with SJU at 46. Not saying it's a better league by any means but it's as good as it's been in some time
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 11:42:19 AM
4 top 45 KenPom teams. Big East has 4 with SJU at 46. Not saying it's a better league by any means but it's as good as it's been in some time
And none of those teams are remotely close to a threat to Gonzaga. San Fran on the road will be their toughest game.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
And none of those teams are remotely close to a threat to Gonzaga. San Fran on the road will be their toughest game.
You are severely overrating USF. 4th at best behind GU, BYU, and SMC.
LMU should finish above them too. Stan inherited a hell of a roster and getting a Eli Scott to return was huge. Let's see if Stan can coach. Santa Clara is much improved too,
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 14, 2021, 01:23:44 PM
You are severely overrating USF. 4th at best behind GU, BYU, and SMC.
LMU should finish above them too. Stan inherited a hell of a roster and getting a Eli Scott to return was huge. Let's see if Stan can coach. Santa Clara is much improved too,
I really think USF is the second best team in that conference. Bouyea and Shabaz are one of the best mid major tandems in the country.
I'm certainly not disputing the level of play in the Wcc beyond Gonzaga, but what I'm factoring in is how much better Gonzaga is than those teams. They're still head and two sets of shoulders above the next best program. Two losses in conference would be a lot for them.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 14, 2021, 01:23:44 PM
You are severely overrating USF. 4th at best behind GU, BYU, and SMC.
LMU should finish above them too. Stan inherited a hell of a roster and getting a Eli Scott to return was huge. Let's see if Stan can coach. Santa Clara is much improved too,
I think USF is 3rd.
Hopefully LMU busts out though.
A fun fact on Chris Beard. His lifetime coaching record against the Big East is 1-3. The one win came while at Arkansas Little Rock against Depaul. His lifetime record against Depaul is 1-1.
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2021, 11:35:20 AM
Mini meltdown? Drama queen like you write about.
Last night didn't change my opinion of them whatsoever. Still an elite team.
Hope to god you don't keep betting on them as an elite team
8-)
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2021, 10:47:29 AM
Dramatic would be a mini meltdown over an expression.
And if by top team, you mean top 15. Yeah I'd bet on that.
Top 10? Better hope the Vandy kid is back fast.
They are light years behind Michigan, Gonzaga, Nova, UCLA and Kansas at the very least.
Watch out for Purdue.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 15, 2021, 09:18:31 AM
Watch out for Purdue.
Purdue is pretty damn good. If they don't make a Final 4 this year, Matt Painter may never make one at Purdue
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
Purdue is pretty damn good. If they don't make a Final 4 this year, Matt Painter may never make one at Purdue
They dropped four seed lines with their scrimmage loss to Providence
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
Purdue is pretty damn good. If they don't make a Final 4 this year, Matt Painter may never make one at Purdue
People have said that with his Etwuan More, JJ, and Hummel team. As well as the team a couple years ago. I think it's fair to said Painter won't get to the Final Four ever.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 15, 2021, 09:36:04 AM
They dropped four seed lines with their scrimmage loss to Providence
Got ahead of me Dr.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 15, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
People have said that with his Etwuan More, JJ, and Hummel team. As well as the team a couple years ago. I think it's fair to said Painter won't get to the Final Four ever.
#Crapshoot
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 13, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
How is your night going jackass?
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 15, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
How is your night going jackass?
Willie and NLW should be UW fans...they play 4 white guys at all times.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 13, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
False. As discussed here, some on the BOT wanted Moser but Scholl backed by Lovell wanted Shaka. Let the pros hire their choice.
Just glad we didn't get your choice, Wardle. He is 0-2 to start versus some cupcakes.
Sorry, but you have no idea who was my choice. Just your useless wild ass guess. My choice was Shaka followed closely by Moser. So put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 21, 2021, 04:45:38 PM
Sorry, but you have no idea who was my choice. Just your useless wild ass guess. My choice was Shaka followed closely by Moser. So put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it.
We should bring back corn cob pipes.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 21, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
We should bring back corn cob pipes.
Smoke them in the stands while wearing your suit.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 21, 2021, 04:51:04 PM
Smoke them in the stands while wearing your suit.
It's BS I can't smoke coffin nails during games. We could in '77
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 05:07:06 PM
It's BS I can't smoke coffin nails during games. We could in '77
> Bros, I got this sick dab nail at the mortuary today
Texas is no better than a middle of the road Big East team.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 08:31:12 PM
Texas is no better than a middle of the road Big East team.
At least practice what you preach. Pretty much a brand new roster for Texas. It'll take time....
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 13, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
Is Beard just that good?
Shaka was that bad?
It does look like he had recruited some subpar players going by the what he brought along to MU.
Every time you make a post every word in that post makes you look incrementally stupider to the point where it's clear that they, much like you as an individual, have no semblance of cohesion or rational thought behind them at all.
What are your takes now like 1 for 500?
There are some that believe a lot of Beard's success (especially defensively) was because of Mark Adams.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
I'll take the over
That was incredibly easy - what do I win :-)
Quote from: panda on February 25, 2022, 04:24:29 PM
That was incredibly easy - what do I win :-)
Scoop credit which is invaluable 🥳
Scoopcoin?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 25, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Scoop credit which is invaluable 🥳
Lol - Right up there along with Schrute bucks
"title contender"
I haven't even read this thread, and I'm not going to waste my time, but Texas is no more of a title contender than Marquette is right now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 25, 2022, 05:28:32 PM
I haven't even read this thread, and I'm not going to waste my time, but Texas is no more of a title contender than Marquette is right now.
I do not think Texas is going to win the title, but they have a much better chance to do so than Marquette does this year.
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2022, 07:18:14 PM
I do not think Texas is going to win the title, but they have a much better chance to do so than Marquette does this year.
Arby's
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:36:27 PM
Agreed...though I would have settled for Brad Stevens, Mark Few, or Jay Wright.
Hell, while we are at it, let's raise John Wooden or Al from the dead. It's been done once so.....
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 27, 2022, 09:05:19 AM
Hell, while we are at it, let's raise John Wooden or Al from the dead. It's been done once so.....
We do have hologram Al
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 25, 2022, 05:28:32 PM
I haven't even read this thread, and I'm not going to waste my time, but Texas is no more of a title contender than Marquette is right now.
Texas was a legit title contender last year under Shaka. Until they weren't.
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2022, 07:18:14 PM
I do not think Texas is going to win the title, but they have a much better chance to do so than Marquette does this year.
Texas is 50-1, MU is 80-1.
So Texas is a long shot, MU a somewhat longer one.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2022, 03:46:42 PM
Texas is 50-1, MU is 80-1.
So Texas is a long shot, MU a somewhat longer one.
Another way of looking at how close they are: one site gives Texas a 1.96% chance of winning, and Marquette 1.23%
Hit one of those open layups against Creighton, and we are probably equal.
Chris Beard went all in on the portal and his only freshman who played left the team at the semester and transferred to Texas Tech. He had signed with Tech when Beard was coach and then came to Texas with him.
If people want Shaka and Marquette to be Transfer Portal U and live and die with spring transfer recruiting, that's their preference. One of Beard's transfers, Tre Mitchell, has left the team for personal reasons and not sure when or if he'll be back this year or in the future, so kind of an uneasy future if some of your transfers don't try to get a 5th year next year. Bishop and Allen of Texas are in that boat.
Marquette may or may not add a transfer next year and we don't know if everyone eligible next year will come back, obviously, but as a longtime fan, I'd rather the team be built predominantly with high school recruits and a transfer sprinkled in as needed. I think that's Shaka's preference also.
Texas 3-7 vs to 25 teams.
Gonna get a 4 seed with the least impressive wins possible.
Basically have done a good job of winning road games against the middling Big12 teams. And won a couple home ones against really good teams. Kansas and Tennessee which were both pure survival.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 01, 2022, 06:47:09 AM
Chris Beard went all in on the portal and his only freshman who played left the team at the semester and transferred to Texas Tech. He had signed with Tech when Beard was coach and then came to Texas with him.
If people want Shaka and Marquette to be Transfer Portal U and live and die with spring transfer recruiting, that's their preference. One of Beard's transfers, Tre Mitchell, has left the team for personal reasons and not sure when or if he'll be back this year or in the future, so kind of an uneasy future if some of your transfers don't try to get a 5th year next year. Bishop and Allen of Texas are in that boat.
Marquette may or may not add a transfer next year and we don't know if everyone eligible next year will come back, obviously, but as a longtime fan, I'd rather the team be built predominantly with high school recruits and a transfer sprinkled in as needed. I think that's Shaka's preference also.
It all comes down to roster construction. He brought a lot of big names in, but they all play similar if not the same roles. There aren't enough minutes for Mitchell, Allen, Bishop and Disu. Carr has been underwhelming and their role playing level guards have been just that, role players.
It's totally fine to build from the transfer market, but build intelligently.