https://sports.yahoo.com/former-nba-player-lazar-hayward-arrested-fake-covid19-coronavirus-test-documents-hawaii-011442200.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/former-nba-player-lazar-hayward-arrested-fake-covid19-coronavirus-test-documents-hawaii-011442200.html)
Dumb A$$
Good guy doing the wrong thing.
Arrested is excessive no?
Just make them get back on a plane and go home.
"Police later arrested the two and charged them for unsworn falsification after the documents were flagged, per Hawaii News Now. The two were released from custody and taken back to the airport, where they were put on a flight back to Los Angeles."
Subject line was accurate, he was not held. But instead taken to the airport to return to LA. I'm sure there will be a fine of some sort at a later date.
I can't seem to find anywhere, but is he still playing?
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:45:11 AM
Arrested is excessive no?
Just make them get back on a plane and go home.
Unfortunately, it is sort of a big deal to falsify medical records.
But I agree, that jail seems a tad unnecessary.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:45:11 AM
Arrested is excessive no?
Just make them get back on a plane and go home.
Hawaii has weird COVID standards. My wife's co-worker told her that his daughter was heading to Hawaii in June for some student volunteer work trip. She got a COVID test like from the local Yale hospital. Hawaii wouldn't let her in because the test "wasn't from CVS or nationally recognized pharmacy.". So the dad had to buy a round trip ticket to LAX, just so she could get a COVID test, then fly back to Hawaii. This was after flying from NYC to Hawaii in the first place.
I heard a similar story from someone else in 2020.
When I saw the topic of this thread, it hit me like a bolt of lightning. Big Fan of Lazar.
Hopefully, this will be a wake up call to him .
Stupid to not be vaccinated. More stupid to fake medical records. Disappointing.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:45:11 AM
Arrested is excessive no?
Just make them get back on a plane and go home.
Falsification of medical documents that could be tied to HHS. Down here two people tried it at two different concert events were arrested awaiting trial and face up to 3 years.
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 03, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
Falsification of medical documents that could be tied to HHS. Down here two people tried it at two different concert events were arrested awaiting trial and face up to 3 years.
Looks like I found the fun police.
Quote from: PJDunn on October 03, 2021, 10:13:54 AM
Stupid to not be vaccinated. More stupid to fake medical records. Disappointing.
To fake a test is to intentionally put other people at risk.
Wear's Jerry Boyle wen ya kneed 'im, hey?
Quote from: PJDunn on October 03, 2021, 10:13:54 AM
Stupid to not be vaccinated. More stupid to fake medical records. Disappointing.
Yep, I loved Lazar as a player but I'm glad he was caught and sent packing.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 10:40:39 AM
Looks like I found the fun police.
Lol. You mean the guy who called out your dumb "just put them back on the plane" comment?
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:45:11 AM
Arrested is excessive no?
Just make them get back on a plane and go home.
It's a crime.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Lol. You mean the guy who called out your dumb "just put them back on the plane" comment?
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
The horror! Death penalty is the only appropriate punishment.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
So a state should provide a test for every person that enters instead of providing people with a portal to upload their own test or proof of vaccination? And they should do that because it could lead to "many situations like this?" "Situations" of course meaning that people lie and cheat the system.
Do you realize the cost and time this would take? Talk about laughable.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
It is literally a violation of the state's criminal code.
I get that you like Lazar. So do I. But that doesn't mean we get to change the meaning of words.
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on October 03, 2021, 11:44:02 AM
The horror! Death penalty is the only appropriate punishment.
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Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2021, 12:30:05 PM
It is literally a violation of the state's criminal code.
I get that you like Lazar. So do I. But that doesn't mean we get to change the meaning of words.
So is going going 58 in a 55.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 11:58:44 AM
So a state should provide a test for every person that enters instead of providing people with a portal to upload their own test or proof of vaccination? And they should do that because it could lead to "many situations like this?" "Situations" of course meaning that people lie and cheat the system.
Do you realize the cost and time this would take? Talk about laughable.
A state making rules and then simply trusting the people to do the right thing is laughable.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
LOL you just don't understand what living on an island entails. I mean if you want to go to Europe you need to bring a test or be vaccinated. Why should local governments have to pay for tourists. We closed two of the international airports during lockdown.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
By the way it is a felony on most states
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
So is going going 58 in a 55.
No it's not.
The great majority of traffic violations, including minor speeding offenses, are not categorized as crimes.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 12:41:51 PM
A state making rules and then simply trusting the people to do the right thing is laughable.
So there should be no rules???
Your defense of this is getting less and less logical with each post.
Sounds like they enforced their rules.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2021, 01:07:05 PM
Sounds like they enforced their rules.
Right. Which is why I'm not understanding panda's issue here. He's upset that Lazar got in trouble because...he broke the rules?
Who knew I'd wake up one day and learn Lazar Hayward is labeled a criminal but here we are.
I guess Zar's submitted test was a specter of a real one.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2021, 12:47:44 PM
No it's not.
The great majority of traffic violations, including minor speeding offenses, are not categorized as crimes.
Sorry, my mistake Darren Rovell.
I would anticipate the 'it is a stupid rule' argument or the 'any COVID rule is dumb' argument.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Who knew I'd wake up one day and learn Lazar Hayward is labeled a criminal but here we are.
It is never fun when someone I rooted for at MU does something against the rules. A sad day. But here we are.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Who knew I'd wake up one day and learn Lazar Hayward is labeled a criminal but here we are.
In Lazar's defense, he's not a criminal yet.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Who knew I'd wake up one day and learn Lazar Hayward is labeled a criminal but here we are.
He is labeled one because he committed a crime. If he didn't want to be labeled one, he shouldn't have committed a crime. Why is this so hard?
Quote from: Retire0 on October 03, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
In Lazar's defense, he's not a criminal yet.
In the eyes of the covid cops, he's already locked up.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:20:04 PM
In the eyes of the covid cops, he's already locked up.
By the sounds of the case, they're not wrong.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
He is labeled one because he committed a crime. If he didn't want to be labeled one, he shouldn't have committed a crime. Why is this so hard?
On the sliding scale of criminal activity, this ranks somewhere around printing a counterfeit $1 bill on your home printer.
Ultimately, this will probably end up being a misdemeanor and a fine.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
On the sliding scale of criminal activity, this ranks somewhere around printing a counterfeit $1 bill on your home printer.
You and I will disagree on that, but I'm still not exactly sure what your point is.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
When you travel outside the US and return you need a test and you pay for it. The Feds don't. Private citizens are required to pay for and provide the result.
Quote from: 79Warrior on October 03, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
When you travel outside the US and return you need a test and you pay for it. The Feds don't. Private citizens are required to pay for and provide the result.
Even so, tests should be in a sanctioned environment. It will be rife with fraud if you just let travelers show up with whatever documents they come up with.
Of course, the larger point is that vaccines are free. None of this had to happen.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:14:55 PM
Sorry, my mistake Darren Rovell.
You're bad at this.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:39:10 PM
It will be rife with fraud if you just let travelers show up with whatever documents they come up with.
So Lazar is a fraud?
FBI has said that misrepresenting the official seal of a U.S. agency, like the CDC logo on vaccine cards, is a violation of federal law. Violators could face up to five years in prison or a $5,000 fine.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
On the sliding scale of criminal activity, this ranks somewhere around printing a counterfeit $1 bill on your home printer.
On a sliding scale of stupidity and selfishness...faking a test that takes no time to complete...and showing disrespect to Hawaii's citizens...seems pretty high up there. But hell, we've only lost 1 in 500 Americans from COVID...
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 03, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
To fake a test is to intentionally put other people at risk.
so you are saying Lazar intended to endanger others? I doubt that. More likely, Lazar understands that the COVID vaccine does not prevent infection, and does not prevent transmission. The vaccine reduces symptoms, as pharma has stated. It would appear Lazar is not vaccinated, reasons personal to him, and used poor judgement with falsified paperwork. But, intent?
Subbmitt too athorrittees, aina?
Quote from: Viper on October 03, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
so you are saying Lazar intended to endanger others? I doubt that. More likely, Lazar understands that the COVID vaccine does not prevent infection, and does not prevent transmission. The vaccine reduces symptoms, as pharma has stated. It would appear Lazar is not vaccinated, reasons personal to him, and used poor judgement with falsified paperwork. But, intent?
He never said he intended to put others at risk.
He did though. And continues to.
Quote from: Viper on October 03, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
so you are saying Lazar intended to endanger others? I doubt that. More likely, Lazar understands that the COVID vaccine does not prevent infection, and does not prevent transmission. The vaccine reduces symptoms, as pharma has stated. It would appear Lazar is not vaccinated, reasons personal to him, and used poor judgement with falsified paperwork. But, intent?
He didn't accidentally submit fake documents, did he?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2021, 04:42:41 PM
He didn't accidentally submit fake documents, did he?
This was one of my favorites. Coach Barry Switzer "accidentally" had a loaded gun in his bag going through airport security.
https://apnews.com/article/3f64d891791866bf1e4e052bc255f392
Quote from: Viper on October 03, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
so you are saying Lazar intended to endanger others? I doubt that. More likely, Lazar understands that the COVID vaccine does not prevent infection, and does not prevent transmission. The vaccine reduces symptoms, as pharma has stated. It would appear Lazar is not vaccinated, reasons personal to him, and used poor judgement with falsified paperwork. But, intent?
Untrue. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
He knows. Pure trolling.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
On the sliding scale of criminal activity, this ranks somewhere around printing a counterfeit $1 bill on your home printer.
A person getting away with counterfeiting a $1 bill is not going to stop there.
Quote from: Viper on October 03, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
so you are saying Lazar intended to endanger others? I doubt that. More likely, Lazar understands that the COVID vaccine does not prevent infection, and does not prevent transmission. The vaccine reduces symptoms, as pharma has stated. It would appear Lazar is not vaccinated, reasons personal to him, and used poor judgement with falsified paperwork. But, intent?
cura personalis
Lazar is a hero.
Could have predicted that response with a crystal ball.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
Could have predicted that response with a crystal ball.
The crystal ball is never wrong
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
If a state is going to have extreme travel restrictions for tourists, they should provide testing. Asking private citizens to provide documentation will only lead to many situations like this.
Calling Zar a criminal is laughable. What he did was dishonest, not criminal. Literally, yes. Figuratively no.
First, this isn't extreme. Second, let's be clear, he's forging medical documents. This isn't a white lie, it's a planned deliberate act. Agree or disagree with the law, this is someone really going out of their way to deliberately break it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 03, 2021, 07:43:41 PM
First, this isn't extreme. Second, let's be clear, he's forging medical documents. This isn't a white lie, it's a planned deliberate act. Agree or disagree with the law, this is someone really going out of their way to deliberately break it.
A planned deliberate act? Take a step back from the ledge.
The guy is most likely unvaccinated and just wants to take a trip. He made a bad decision. Like it or not, it's the society we live in right now.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
A planned deliberate act? Take a step back from the ledge.
The guy is most likely unvaccinated and just wants to take a trip. He made a bad decision. Like it or not, it's the society we live in right now.
??? It was obviously deliberate.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 08:12:07 PM
??? It was obviously deliberate.
Strange phrasing - the guy is clearly unvaccinated and wanted to go on vacation. He did something dishonest. He didn't get on a plane with any intent to do harm like the phrase makes it seem like.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
Strange phrasing - the guy is clearly unvaccinated and wanted to go on vacation. He did something dishonest. He didn't get on a plane with any intent to do harm like the phrase makes it seem like.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deliberate
I don't see anything about intent to do harm in the definition of deliberate.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 03, 2021, 08:19:13 PM
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deliberate
I don't see anything about intent to do harm in the definition of deliberate.
Understand the context of the sentence Copernicus.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
Understand the context of the sentence Copernicus.
You really struggle with the English language don't you.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 08:31:06 PM
You really struggle with the English language don't you.
I could say the same thing about you.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
Strange phrasing - the guy is clearly unvaccinated and wanted to go on vacation. He did something dishonest. He didn't get on a plane with any intent to do harm like the phrase makes it seem like.
If only there were like 49 states he could have traveled to without forging documents. Bottom line is he chose to ignore a municipality's guidelines by his own volition. I don't respect his vaccination status, however that's his issue, but by knowingly flouting the rules enough to get phony documents it clearly shows a disregard for the safety protocols, and local rules. He could have gone to Florida, Texas, etc etc and been mask free without a test or vaccine but elected to go somewhere he's not welcome so his punishment is warranted.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:39:04 PM
I could say the same thing about you.
I'm not the one repeatedly arguing against the dictionary definition of words.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 08:41:23 PM
I'm not the one repeatedly arguing against the dictionary definition of words.
Sometimes words mean different things within a phrase and different sentences. The english language is complicated.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 03, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
If only there were like 49 states he could have traveled to without forging documents. Bottom line is he chose to ignore a municipality's guidelines by his own volition. I don't respect his vaccination status, however that's his issue, but by knowingly flouting the rules enough to get phony documents it clearly shows a disregard for the safety protocols, and local rules. He could have gone to Florida, Texas, etc etc and been mask free without a test or vaccine but elected to go somewhere he's not welcome so his punishment is warranted.
Agreed - the decision was foolish and dishonest. Crucified at the stake as some are suggesting? They should take a step back from the ledge.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
Agreed - the decision was foolish and dishonest. Crucified at the stake as some are suggesting? They should take a step back from the ledge.
So many posts suggesting crucifixion at the stake. ::)
Quote from: MUDPT on October 03, 2021, 05:29:42 PM
Untrue. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
So what is it? Prevents or reduces?
How does one explain Israel, Columbia U, or Connecticut College?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
A planned deliberate act? Take a step back from the ledge.
The guy is most likely unvaccinated and just wants to take a trip. He made a bad decision. Like it or not, it's the society we live in right now.
It's fraudently forging medical documents to violate state law. You trying to sugar coat it doesn't change reality.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
Agreed - the decision was foolish and dishonest. Crucified at the stake as some are suggesting? They should take a step back from the ledge.
Who has suggested that he be crucified at the stake?
Also, I feel like crucifying someone at the stake would be a little overkill. One or the other probably gets the job done.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 03, 2021, 09:13:49 PM
Who has suggested that he be crucified at the stake?
Also, I feel like crucifying someone at the stake would be a little overkill. One or the other probably gets the job done.
Yep - Just like fraudulently forging...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 03, 2021, 08:56:39 PM
So what is it? Prevents or reduces?
How does one explain Israel, Columbia U, or Connecticut College?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates
Reduces.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 03, 2021, 04:41:07 PM
He never said he intended to put others at risk.
He did though. And continues to.
how so? Vaccine does not prevent getting COVID or transmission of. So how's Lazar putting people at risk anymore than someone vaccinated is putting others at risk?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2021, 04:42:41 PM
He didn't accidentally submit fake documents, did he?
im missing your point because I do indicate Lazar used poor judgement with fraudulent paperwork. Nothing accidental about that. Of which I don't condone and assume no one on this thread does.
Quote from: MUDPT on October 03, 2021, 05:29:42 PM
Untrue. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
we'll agree to disagree. I come at this after a consultation with my family doc, as well as my wife, a MD. Question. If vaccines prevent, why mask?
Quote from: Viper on October 03, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
we'll agree to disagree. I come at this after a consultation with my family doc, as well as my wife, a MD. Question. If vaccines prevent, why mask?
Give me the evidence then that it doesn't.
You know why Hawaii has strict laws right? They have zero ability to expand capacity. They can't medflight patients anywhere. I've seen patients from Illinois, Iowa and 3+ hours away in Wisconsin. Hawaii can't do any of it.
Quote from: panda on October 03, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
Agreed - the decision was foolish and dishonest. Crucified at the stake as some are suggesting no one is suggesting, not even remotely in fact? They should take a step back from the ledge.
All fixed
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I'm just gonna throw this in there (because I can), he just could have provided a negative covid test from Walgreens, and they wouldn't have asked for his forged vaccination card. A series of bad choices made here.