It doesn't change the overall facts of this season but a W over UNC is a W. And we played an excellent 1st half. Additionally, we help the BEast conf and expose the ACC as well. If this MU win knocks Roy and UNC out of the tourney it's a positive for sure. Just sayin...
Absolutely. the naysayers will keep up the mindset that UNC is bad this year. Who cares; beating a blue blood "on the road" is always nice,
Some people are just joyless.
If you're not happy with this win, you're not a Marquette fan.
Period.
🙄 🤣😂🤣
Nice for recruiting, can not hurt to be on national TV and win, makes a bad year tolerable
Quote from: tower912 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:58 PM
Some people are just joyless.
Yup. Enjoy the good moments in life. If you're a Marquette fan or alum, tonight was good! Winning is fun!
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2021, 08:08:33 PM
It doesn't change the overall facts of this season but a W over UNC is a W. And we played an excellent 1st half. Additionally, we help the BEast conf and expose the ACC as well. If this MU win knocks Roy and UNC out of the tourney it's a positive for sure. Just sayin...
Well said. Couldn't agree more.
Nice for the players and staff to feel the joy of winning at NC in a heavy season.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 24, 2021, 08:11:04 PM
makes a bad year tolerable
Wrong
I love that we beat UNC, but be real. This is a bad year and nothing about it is tolerable. We fell apart several times and still don't know how to beat a press 80%+ into the season.
The guys won and for that I'm happy, but don't excuse a bad season because of three unexpected wins.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 24, 2021, 08:11:04 PM
Nice for recruiting, can not hurt to be on national TV and win, makes a bad year tolerable
Every game has been on national tv.
Props all around. Didn't think this year's version of the Warriors had it in them. Obviously, I was wrong, aina?
Let's keep this same energy when we're 8-10 in conference again 3 years from now with a 2 seed in the NIT.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
Yup. Enjoy the good moments in life. If you're a Marquette fan or alum, tonight was good! Winning is fun!
I can tell that many Marquette fans are from Chicago. They have the same loser mentality that Bear fans have. The team overall is hit garbage covered in dog poo but they beat the Packers (or UNC in MU's case) so everything is fantastic.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
Let's keep this same energy when we're 8-10 in conference again 3 years from now with a 2 seed in the NIT.
Thanks for pissing in the punch.
Quote from: tower912 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:58 PM
Some people are just joyless.
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2021, 08:10:06 PM
If you're not happy with this win, you're not a Marquette fan.
Period.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
Let's keep this same energy when we're 8-10 in conference again 3 years from now with a 2 seed in the NIT.
If on cue.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
Let's keep this same energy when we're 8-10 in conference again 3 years from now with a 2 seed in the NIT.
This. So much this.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:18:42 PM
This. So much this.
Not really. Can't really see how this win has anything to do with that hypothetical
Some here actually seem upset that we won.
Incredible.
Always great beating the ACC. I'm happy!
It feels even sweeter because I don't think UNC expected at all to lose the game. We're a relatively big name team who's had a bad year, and looked like an easy mark for a win to improve the optics of the Heels' season. Their players looked at our 100 NET ranking and 10-12 record and figured we'd just roll over for them. They had everything to play for and all we had on the line was pride, and we still kicked their asses for 40 minutes. About 5 minutes in, you could tell Roy was pissed that this game ever got scheduled, and I imagine he'll have a few choice words with his AD sometime this week. Great to hand him and his bonus babies a bad loss.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 24, 2021, 08:15:21 PM
Wrong
I love that we beat UNC, but be real. This is a bad year and nothing about it is tolerable. We fell apart several times and still don't know how to beat a press 80%+ into the season.
The guys won and for that I'm happy, but don't excuse a bad season because of three unexpected wins.
Sometimes you just have to enjoy the day, would you be happy if MU lost by 15😄
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Some here actually seem upset that we won.
Incredible.
But predictable. Keep revealing that character.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
I can tell that many Marquette fans are from Chicago. They have the same loser mentality that Bear fans have. The team overall is hit garbage covered in dog poo but they beat the Packers (or UNC in MU's case) so everything is fantastic.
Yes, that's what I said. The season is a success because of one game. You got me. You must be a Packers fan since you can't do nuance
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
I can tell that many Marquette fans are from Chicago. They have the same loser mentality that Bear fans have. The team overall is hit garbage covered in dog poo but they beat the Packers (or UNC in MU's case) so everything is fantastic.
Please, tell us how you think we SHOULD feel so we know what to say to keep you and 5Dollar happy. Thanks.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
Let's keep this same energy when we're 8-10 in conference again 3 years from now with a 2 seed in the NIT.
Very cool.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 24, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
Not really. Can't really see how this win has anything to do with that hypothetical
Then you're incapable of foresight or abstract thought.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
I can tell that many Marquette fans are from Chicago. They have the same loser mentality that Bear fans have. The team overall is hit garbage covered in dog poo but they beat the Packers (or UNC in MU's case) so everything is fantastic.
Or do we have that winning energy of 6 bulls titles, 05 Sox, 16 Cubs?
What has WI won in that time? Two super bowls that's it.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 24, 2021, 08:17:46 PM
If on cue.
All I said was let's keep this same energy. I know it's coming. You know it's coming. We all know it's coming. So let's keep this same energy next time our annual loss to DePaul gets here.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:23:57 PM
All I said was let's keep this same energy. I know it's coming. You know it's coming. We all know it's coming. So let's keep this same energy next time our annual loss to DePaul gets here.
You need to get laid
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
Some here actually seem upset that we won.
Incredible.
I'm don't care that they won just as I haven't cared about them winning or losing all year. I'm upset that a meaningless win is celebrated because it's so short sighted and will only improve the chance that MUBB sinks further into irrelevance.
I'm really happy for the kids and happy Wojo can put this W on his resume for some interviews this off-season.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
I'm don't care that they won just as I haven't cared about them winning or losing all year. I'm upset that a meaningless win is celebrated because it's so short sighted and will only improve the chance that MUBB sinks further into irrelevance.
OK, so why are you here?
A meaningless win?, Tell that to the players, who at the end were pumped up to the rafters.
It's funny that the people calling everyone else "short sighted" are the ones that think decisions on whether to fire a coach or not are based on a single regular season game that the team isn't even going to the NCAA Tournament in.
Scoop is so full of irony.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
Or do we have that winning energy of 6 bulls titles, 05 Sox, 16 Cubs?
What has WI won in that time? Two super bowls that's it.
Yet amazingly you all still have loser mentalities there. Must be all the murder.
Quote from: nyg on February 24, 2021, 08:27:16 PM
OK, so why are you here?
A meaningless win?, Tell that to the players, who at the end were pumped up to the rafters.
The players being pumped is bound to get them into the NCAA tournament this year.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:27:40 PM
Yet amazingly you all still have loser mentalities there. Must be all the murder.
Milwaukee has a higher murder rate per capita than Chicago. Could you be more intellectually dishonest?
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:28:56 PM
The players being pumped is bound to get them into the NCAA tournament this year.
You didn't answer the question, why are you even here, if you don't care?
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:28:56 PM
The players being pumped is bound to get them into the NCAA tournament this year.
What do you want the players to do? Sulk and kick the garbage can? Quit? Revolt against the coach? Transfer?
You're adorable. Thanks for playing.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 24, 2021, 08:22:00 PM
It feels even sweeter because I don't think UNC expected at all to lose the game. We're a relatively big name team who's had a bad year, and looked like an easy mark for a win to improve the optics of the Heels' season. Their players looked at our 100 NET ranking and 10-12 record and figured we'd just roll over for them. They had everything to play for and all we had on the line was pride, and we still kicked their asses for 40 minutes. About 5 minutes in, you could tell Roy was pissed that this game ever got scheduled, and I imagine he'll have a few choice words with his AD sometime this week. Great to hand him and his bonus babies a bad loss.
Lol. As if the AD scheduled the game without consulting the head coach. Right.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:22:56 PM
Then you're incapable of foresight or abstract thought.
If you think this game had any bearing on Wojo's future next year, and let that ruin your joy of watching your team win, you're a moron.
The winning streak rolls on.
I'm totally unimpressed with the so-called self proclaimed basketball experts around here.
A bunch of loud mouth knownothings.
All they do is quote numbers and have no soul.
They are the kind of people who live by numbers, like the body count in Vietnam.
I have been impressed by a lot of statements made on MUScoop. I have been missguided by these fools. Never again, I'm sticking with these kids over the bad mouthing around here.
Character revealed tonight, it takes time and patience to develop a program.
What a performance, congratulations to the team, and staff.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:29:38 PM
Milwaukee has a higher murder rate per capita than Chicago. Could you be more intellectually dishonest?
😂🤣 Chicago had over 300 more homicides in 2020 than Milwaukee. You can owe capita all you want.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2021, 08:32:29 PM
What do you want the players to do? Sulk and kick the garbage can? Quit? Revolt against the coach? Transfer?
That's not the point chief. It was claimed that this game wasn't meaningless because the players were "pumped." The point is the game is meaningless regardless of the players being "pumped"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
Or do we have that winning energy of 6 bulls titles, 05 Sox, 16 Cubs?
What has WI won in that time? Two super bowls that's it.
Don't forget the Hawks three Cups!
Hay, bullies and thugs out there, don't try and ruin my night.
Good night, sweet dreams.
Very happy.
As I've said before, this isnt the NBA where losing can benefit you long term.
Now lets try and get road win #6
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
😂🤣 Chicago had over 300 more homicides in 2020 than Milwaukee. You can owe capita all you want.
Someone doesn't understand statistics...
But ok you can have all the MU WI greats and take on all the MU Chicagoland greats, and tell me all about the "winning mentality" that you guys have while Wade, James, and McNeal run circles around Vander and Deiner.
Then you can tell me about all the great athletes from an entire state comparing them to just a city because you have little brother syndrome from not winning anything ever whether that's WI football, WI basketball, Bucks, Brewers, and severely underperforming with one of the greatest QBs ever.
For the record I agree with you about people shouldn't be going nuts about a win like this but you're being a dumb$hit and deserve to get called out.
Quote from: vogue65 on February 24, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
The winning streak rolls on.
I'm totally unimpressed with the so-called self proclaimed basketball experts around here.
A bunch of loud mouth knownothings.
All they do is quote numbers and have no soul.
They are the kind of people who live by numbers, like the body count in Vietnam.
I have been impressed by a lot of statements made on MUScoop. I have been missguided by these fools. Never again, I'm sticking with these kids over the bad mouthing around here.
Character revealed tonight, it takes time and patience to develop a program.
What a performance, congratulations to the team, and staff.
lol, it takes time and patience to develop a program? Is this a joke?
Quote from: Freeway on February 24, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
Don't forget the Hawks three Cups!
I figured it was unfair to compare a sport they don't even have. But yes this guy needs an entire state to compare to a city but has no actual backing so like every Wisconsin farm boy says "shootings" then can't understand stats.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:41:43 PM
That's not the point chief. It was claimed that this game wasn't meaningless because the players were "pumped." The point is the game is meaningless regardless of the players being "pumped"
Fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but the fact is MU beat a UNC team they were not supposed to beat, yet they did, I'm enjoying the hell out of this win with no illusions going forward, yet still have some guarded optimism
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:27:40 PM
Yet amazingly you all still have loser mentalities there. Must be all the murder.
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 24, 2021, 08:22:00 PM
It feels even sweeter because I don't think UNC expected at all to lose the game. We're a relatively big name team who's had a bad year, and looked like an easy mark for a win to improve the optics of the Heels' season. Their players looked at our 100 NET ranking and 10-12 record and figured we'd just roll over for them. They had everything to play for and all we had on the line was pride, and we still kicked their asses for 40 minutes. About 5 minutes in, you could tell Roy was pissed that this game ever got scheduled, and I imagine he'll have a few choice words with his AD sometime this week. Great to hand him and his bonus babies a bad loss.
Not only did Roy and UNC expect to win this game, but it was crystal clear both Rece Davis and Crispin thought the Heels would easily beat us. And as an aside Crispin may be worse than Dakich which is saying a lot. Absolute tool who incessantly talks with no discernible point known to man.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:44:29 PM
Someone doesn't understand statistics...
But ok you can have all the MU WI greats and take on all the MU Chicagoland greats, and tell me all about the "winning mentality" that you guys have while Wade, James, and McNeal run circles around Vander and Deiner.
Then you can tell me about all the great athletes from an entire state comparing them to just a city because you have little brother syndrome from not winning anything ever whether that's WI football, WI basketball, Bucks, Brewers, and severely underperforming with one of the greatest QBs ever.
For the record I agree with you about people shouldn't be going nuts about a win like this but you're being a dumb$hit and deserve to get called out.
You apparently don't understand that some numbers are larger than others. When I say all the murder are you going to argue that there is less murder in Chicago than Milwaukee? No you have to try and shift to some statistical measure to try and justify the fact that Chicago has 500+ homicides a year.
You also them try to shift me saying Chicago fans have loser mentalities to commentary on athletes. Again, you try to crap the narrative and in doing so you call out some MU greats in the process. Who's being a dumbshit here?
What you call statistics aren't, furthermore the intangiables are what matter.
Is a learning curve a "statistic"?
Is an algorithm a statistic?
Is a body count a statistic?
Is a vote count a statistic?
I'm more than willing to get called out, but not tonight, and not by you.
If you can, enjoy the victory.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
Not only did Roy and UNC expect to win this game, but it was crystal clear both Rece Davis and Crispin thought the Heels would easily beat us. And as an aside Crispin may be worse than Dakich which is saying a lot. Absolute tool who incessantly talks with no discernible point known to man.
Luckily, I was at a bar, socially distanced and outside :), and didn't hear the crap show tv announcers. Kept thinking though, where has this team been all year, minimize turn overs and this team is uber competitive
Thinking from the UNC perspective, were they insane to schedule this game?
Not a great time to take a Q3 loss when you are currently a projected 9 seed. A rough end to the year and they may be out.
A worthy thread, by title, that devolved to useless drivel in less than two pages. True Scoop.
Quote from: warriorstrack on February 24, 2021, 08:46:12 PM
Fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but the fact is MU beat a UNC team they were not supposed to beat, yet they did, I'm enjoying the hell out of this win with no illusions going forward, yet still have some guarded optimism
Me too.
Tremendously improved as a team over the year.
Still need to improve overcoming the press.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 24, 2021, 08:46:26 PM
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Just a strange guy, now talking homicide rates in a b ball thread. Does not follow the games, does not care if they win or lose, wins are meaningless and wants to argue. Not wasting keystrokes anymore
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
Not only did Roy and UNC expect to win this game, but it was crystal clear both Rece Davis and Crispin thought the Heels would easily beat us. And as an aside Crispin may be worse than Dakich which is saying a lot. Absolute tool who incessantly talks with no discernible point known to man.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious the announcers were rooting for UNC, and were annoyed that Marquette was handling them so easily.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 24, 2021, 08:38:57 PM
If you think this game had any bearing on Wojo's future next year, and let that ruin your joy of watching your team win, you're a moron.
How in the world could you NOT think this game has any bearing on Wojo's future??? Maybe not specifically next year but WOW. He's still riding the 2016 Nova court storm today! How laughable!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 24, 2021, 08:52:24 PM
A worthy thread, by title, that devolved to useless drivel in less than two pages. True Scoop.
Point taken, pretty much ignored the ....blah .... off topic replies
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:50:31 PM
You apparently don't understand that some numbers are larger than others. When I say all the murder are you going to argue that there is less murder in Chicago than Milwaukee? No you have to try and shift to some statistical measure to try and justify the fact that Chicago has 500+ homicides a year.
You also them try to shift me saying Chicago fans have loser mentalities to commentary on athletes. Again, you try to crap the narrative and in doing so you call out some MU greats in the process. Who's being a dumbcrap here?
Because that's not how comparisons work. It's literally like saying you're stronger than a child. Yeah but if the child can lift twice their body weight and you can only lift yours that child is stronger. You made a stupid comparison because it's all you have after making an idiotic point.
Yeah because our greats from Chicago aren't included as "Chicago fans". Again you don't have any legs to stand on because your fans don't know what winning is. You know damn well what coming close is though.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
Or do we have that winning energy of 6 bulls titles, 05 Sox, 16 Cubs?
What has WI won in that time? Two super bowls that's it.
Chicago has twice as many professional baseball teams as Wisconsin.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 24, 2021, 08:56:19 PM
Chicago has twice as many professional baseball teams as Wisconsin.
Ok pick one of them and we have 1 more World Series in the past 5-16yrs (depending on which) than WI has in their entire history
Bottom line is this guy clearly is just mad that MU won and everyone isn't as miserable as him. He's then going to be a typical small town Wisconsin guy and hate in Chicago irrationally without making a rational argument.
Reminds me of MUGuru
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 24, 2021, 08:48:22 PM
Not only did Roy and UNC expect to win this game, but it was crystal clear both Rece Davis and Crispin thought the Heels would easily beat us. And as an aside Crispin may be worse than Dakich which is saying a lot. Absolute tool who incessantly talks with no discernible point known to man.
Yes! He was terrible...first time for me.
However.....no one loves to hear himself talk more than Dan Dakich. Give me Bill Walton, Dickey Simpkins, and Lappas before Dick Itch.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 24, 2021, 08:54:51 PM
Yeah, it was pretty obvious the announcers were rooting for UNC, and were annoyed that Marquette was handling them so easily.
And here's really the bigger point: MU controlled the game from the tip, realistically should have been up 22-27 after 20 mins, and this fact alone is worth noting. We needed that cushion but don't tell me MU didn't play at a very high level for 20 mins with excellent contributions across the board. We saw, regardless of how good or bad UNC is, that we are in fact capable of hooping. And remember JLew was out.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 24, 2021, 08:21:47 PM
Always great beating the ACC. I'm happy!
I think I heard the UNC has only lost 18 non con games at the Dean Dome. Now 19!
While I think I saw Pop Sims sneak onto the court to turn the ball over a couple times, it's nice to beat those Carolina fat cats once a generation or so
Absolutely delighted we won. Kudos to AD , Coaching Staff and Team for a wall to wall effort .
Win over UNC at the Dean Dome always a great thing for the program . Lots of TV Eyeballs helps the cause .
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:58:33 PM
Ok pick one of them and we have 1 more World Series in the past 5-16yrs (depending on which) than WI has in their entire history
you guys are dense. Regardless of championships your teams have, you have loser mentalities. You settle for mediocrity on a regular basis. You accept it with the Bears abs you're accepting it with Marquette. You can list all the championships you want.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 08:55:51 PM
Because that's not how comparisons work. It's literally like saying you're stronger than a child. Yeah but if the child can lift twice their body weight and you can only lift yours that child is stronger. You made a stupid comparison because it's all you have after making an idiotic point.
Yeah because our greats from Chicago aren't included as "Chicago fans". Again you don't have any legs to stand on because your fans don't know what winning is. You know damn well what coming close is though.
If Amazon makes $1 per customer and the local grocery store makes $10 per customer Amazon still has more money.
We Are Marquette!
Some of us, anyway.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
you guys are dense. Regardless of championships your teams have, you have loser mentalities. You settle for mediocrity on a regular basis. You accept it with the Bears abs you're accepting it with Marquette. You can list all the championships you want.
So again you don't have a leg to stand on other than "we never win so Chicago people all suck because football" 😂😂😂 most small town WI mentality ever. Let me guess Walworth county?
Let me also point out many of the posters you're claiming are chicagoans are not. So maybe you're just upset your fellow Sconis have that mentality you claim doesn't exist
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 09:11:35 PM
So again you don't have a leg to stand on other than "we never win so Chicago people all suck because football" 😂😂😂 most small town WI mentality ever. Let me guess Walworth county?
Let me also point out many of the posters you're claiming are chicagoans are not. So maybe you're just upset your fellow Sconis have that mentality you claim doesn't exist
I said nothing of the sort. I said you have a loser mentality. You continue to prove it. Enjoy the big win. Your season was a success!
The Bears comparison is spot on
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
I said nothing of the sort. I said you have a loser mentality. You continue to prove it. Enjoy the big win. Your season was a success!
So I say I agree with you about the reaction to the game and you still call it a loser mentality. I guess you're either calling yourself a loser or lack basic reading comprehension which also fits what you've posted so far.
We Are Marquette!
Except those who prefer we lose.
Quote from: vogue65 on February 24, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
The winning streak rolls on.
I'm totally unimpressed with the so-called self proclaimed basketball experts around here.
A bunch of loud mouth knownothings.
All they do is quote numbers and have no soul.
They are the kind of people who live by numbers, like the body count in Vietnam.
I have been impressed by a lot of statements made on MUScoop. I have been missguided by these fools. Never again, I'm sticking with these kids over the bad mouthing around here.
Character revealed tonight, it takes time and patience to develop a program.
What a performance, congratulations to the team, and staff.
Happy to see Vogue jump into this thread.
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Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 09:15:41 PM
The Bears comparison is spot on
Football's the most worthless overrated sport out there. I'm a packer "fan" but any sport where the "star" plays roughly 8 minutes is idiotic and so is the culture that weirdly follows it like a religion instead of sports that are entertaining.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2021, 09:17:54 PM
Football's the most worthless overrated sport out there. I'm a packer "fan" but any sport where the "star" plays roughly 8 minutes is idiotic and so is the culture that weirdly follows it like a religion instead of sports that are entertaining.
What? Just noticing that both fanbases rabidly defend perpetual mediocrity. It's not that deep bro.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 09:19:43 PM
What? Just noticing that both fanbases rabidly defend perpetual mediocrity. It's not that deep bro.
Oh my bad for reading into it, that's fair.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
I think I heard the UNC has only lost 18 non con games at the Dean Dome. Now 19!
That caught me too, 18 non con L's in 35 years. Now there are a ton of cupcakes in there but we're still talking ~350 games.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
I'm don't care that they won just as I haven't cared about them winning or losing all year. I'm upset that a meaningless win is celebrated because it's so short sighted and will only improve the chance that MUBB sinks further into irrelevance.
A fan celebrating a win is a fan celebrating a win. Period. My happiness tonight (or your sadness) has nothing to do with what happens next season for Marquette.
You seriously have to get a more realistic understanding about what your emotions can control. Hint: nothing.
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We Are Marquette!
Quote from: vogue65 on February 24, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
The winning streak rolls on.
I'm totally unimpressed with the so-called self proclaimed basketball experts around here.
A bunch of loud mouth knownothings.
All they do is quote numbers and have no soul.
They are the kind of people who live by numbers, like the body count in Vietnam.
I have been impressed by a lot of statements made on MUScoop. I have been missguided by these fools. Never again, I'm sticking with these kids over the bad mouthing around here.
Character revealed tonight, it takes time and patience to develop a program.
What a performance, congratulations to the team, and staff.
Plus Tax.
Awesome Marquette Win!!
Quote from: tower912 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:58 PM
Some people are just joyless.
No, some people are realists.
It's tough to get worked up about the game when the season is effectively over and the result is meaningless.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 24, 2021, 08:22:08 PM
Sometimes you just have to enjoy the day, would you be happy if MU lost by 15😄
If losing by 15 guaranteed Wojo would be gone after this season, I'd be extremely happy for MU to get blown out.
There's another awful season coming if Wojo isn't fired.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
How in the world could you NOT think this game has any bearing on Wojo's future??? Maybe not specifically next year but WOW. He's still riding the 2016 Nova court storm today! How laughable!
Fans make decisions based on games.
ADs make decisions based on seasons.
The only way this game could have bearing on Wojo's future is if he actually pulls off a 7 game winning streak to make the tourney this season. Since the likelihood of that is somewhere around 1%, this season is going to go down as a mark against Wojo, whether or not they won tonight.
Wojo is not getting fired this season. If he can't pull off the miracle run, COVID will save his job. Next season will be win or get fired for Wojo...again regardless of whether or not they won tonight. Scholl isn't in his office saying "I was only going to give Wojo one more year to turn it around but golly gee he won at UNC so I'm going to give him two years."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 12:15:12 AM
Fans make decisions based on games.
ADs make decisions based on seasons.
The only way this game could have bearing on Wojo's future is if he actually pulls off a 7 game winning streak to make the tourney this season. Since the likelihood of that is somewhere around 1%, this season is going to go down as a mark against Wojo, whether or not they won tonight.
Wojo is not getting fired this season. If he can't pull off the miracle run, COVID will save his job. Next season will be win or get fired for Wojo...again regardless of whether or not they won tonight. Scholl isn't in his office saying "I was only going to give Wojo one more year to turn it around but golly gee he won at UNC so I'm going to give him two years."
Decisions are made off of seasons and seasons are the culmination of individual games.
Landing somewhere in the middle season after season after season after season after season after season after season has provided Wojo with nothing but handsome extensions.
Beating UNC, coming back from an embarrassing deficit to squeak out a win against Georgetown, and beating a D3 Butler team by 3 are all individual games - obviously. But those three individual games aggregate to change the final result of this season to another "somewhere in the middle" season that the admin will happily pawn off as "just missed the tourney" or "another post season (NIT) appearance".
The alternative is losses in those games that will force the admin's hand in making a decision about this coaching staff - whether it be this year or next. Winning those three individual games in the greater context of this season adds no progress to the "where-we-want-to-be-o-meter", but they do provide a convenient shield for the admin to downplay the dire state of affairs of our program.
So excuse me for not being one of the blissful idiots. I see the bigger picture and it's quite grim. It just seems that... some don't. Some never will.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 24, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
Your season was a success!
Based on this post I had to to try to figure out if this was just a troll. Been registered sine 2012, so not likely. Though the last thing that this person was so emotional about was that everyone should probably being using Apple and not Android.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32812.msg399062#msg399062
I donno. :-X
I am extremely happy they won and enjoyed the first half big time. This game will have not be the deciding factor on Wojo's fate and it should not be deciding factor. I agree with TAMU that Covid saved Wojo's job a long time ago. Again, I am very happy they won and hope they win again on Saturday.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 12:57:13 AM
Decisions are made off of seasons and seasons are the culmination of individual games.
Landing somewhere in the middle season after season after season after season after season after season after season has provided Wojo with nothing but handsome extensions.
Beating UNC, coming back from an embarrassing deficit to squeak out a win against Georgetown, and beating a D3 Butler team by 3 are all individual games - obviously. But those three individual games aggregate to change the final result of this season to another "somewhere in the middle" season that the admin will happily pawn off as "just missed the tourney" or "another post season (NIT) appearance".
The alternative is losses in those games that will force the admin's hand in making a decision about this coaching staff - whether it be this year or next. Winning those three individual games in the greater context of this season adds no progress to the "where-we-want-to-be-o-meter", but they do provide a convenient shield for the admin to downplay the dire state of affairs of our program.
So excuse me for not being one of the blissful idiots. I see the bigger picture and it's quite grim. It just seems that... some don't. Some never will.
The admin doesn't give two sh*ts about "finishing in the middle." At this point in his tenure, missing the tournament is a bad season. This season is already a bad season barring a miracle. COVID has already saved his job this year. How he performs next season will be the sole criteria for whether or not he is the coach the following year. Today's game, or any of the remaining games will have zero impact on that decision barring a miracle winning streak. He could lose out or come one win short of the tournament and have the same amount of leash next season.
I understand that you think Marquette losing is the best thing for the program long term. I don't agree with but comprehend your thought process. But do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy watching your team lose? If the answer is yes, I don't get that but that's your business. If that's how you get your rocks off, more power to you.
But if the answer is no...why are you watching? If wins make you upset because you think it is bad for the program long term and losses make you upset because you don't enjoy watching your team lose, what possible upside can there be to you watching? Why not just tune out until either Wojo is fired or has won enough to change your mind?
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 24, 2021, 11:25:47 PM
If losing by 15 guaranteed Wojo would be gone after this season, I'd be extremely happy for MU to get blown out.
There's another awful season coming if Wojo isn't fired.
Glad we won. Good game for MU, but bottom line, if it keeps Wojo around then it is another step further into the abyss.
https://twitter.com/allisonkellaher/status/1364769247528771587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1364770802357465090%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fmarquette%2FArticle%2FWojo-comments-after-Marquette-beat-North-Carolina-83-70-161451484%2F
The team was happy. Oso dancing in his boot.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 12:57:13 AM
Decisions are made off of seasons and seasons are the culmination of individual games.
Landing somewhere in the middle season after season after season after season after season after season after season has provided Wojo with nothing but handsome extensions.
Beating UNC, coming back from an embarrassing deficit to squeak out a win against Georgetown, and beating a D3 Butler team by 3 are all individual games - obviously. But those three individual games aggregate to change the final result of this season to another "somewhere in the middle" season that the admin will happily pawn off as "just missed the tourney" or "another post season (NIT) appearance".
The alternative is losses in those games that will force the admin's hand in making a decision about this coaching staff - whether it be this year or next. Winning those three individual games in the greater context of this season adds no progress to the "where-we-want-to-be-o-meter", but they do provide a convenient shield for the admin to downplay the dire state of affairs of our program.
So excuse me for not being one of the blissful idiots. I see the bigger picture and it's quite grim. It just seems that... some don't. Some never will.
So you're saying we shouldn't compete and intentionally lose? I don't think MU fans are neglecting the bigger picture at all. Nor do I believe last night's win or what we do from here on out will determine how we proceed in the future.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 12:15:12 AM
Fans make decisions based on games.
ADs make decisions based on seasons.
The only way this game could have bearing on Wojo's future is if he actually pulls off a 7 game winning streak to make the tourney this season. Since the likelihood of that is somewhere around 1%, this season is going to go down as a mark against Wojo, whether or not they won tonight.
Wojo is not getting fired this season. If he can't pull off the miracle run, COVID will save his job. Next season will be win or get fired for Wojo...again regardless of whether or not they won tonight. Scholl isn't in his office saying "I was only going to give Wojo one more year to turn it around but golly gee he won at UNC so I'm going to give him two years."
Nailed it, TAMU. Of course.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 12:57:13 AM
So excuse me for not being one of the blissful idiots.
Well, you're certainly not blissful.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 24, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
How in the world could you NOT think this game has any bearing on Wojo's future??? Maybe not specifically next year but WOW. He's still riding the 2016 Nova court storm today! How laughable!
Because he is going to be back next year. His job was never in serious jeopardy.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 24, 2021, 11:22:24 PM
No, some people are realists.
It's tough to get worked up about the game when the season is effectively over and the result is meaningless.
Then don't. Posting on a message board about it is really weird. But you do you.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 01:51:28 AM
The admin doesn't give two sh*ts about "finishing in the middle." At this point in his tenure, missing the tournament is a bad season. This season is already a bad season barring a miracle. COVID has already saved his job this year. How he performs next season will be the sole criteria for whether or not he is the coach the following year. Today's game, or any of the remaining games will have zero impact on that decision barring a miracle winning streak. He could lose out or come one win short of the tournament and have the same amount of leash next season.
I understand that you think Marquette losing is the best thing for the program long term. I don't agree with but comprehend your thought process. But do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy watching your team lose? If the answer is yes, I don't get that but that's your business. If that's how you get your rocks off, more power to you.
But if the answer is no...why are you watching? If wins make you upset because you think it is bad for the program long term and losses make you upset because you don't enjoy watching your team lose, what possible upside can there be to you watching? Why not just tune out until either Wojo is fired or has won enough to change your mind?
Exactly.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2021, 06:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/allisonkellaher/status/1364769247528771587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1364770802357465090%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fmarquette%2FArticle%2FWojo-comments-after-Marquette-beat-North-Carolina-83-70-161451484%2F
The team was happy. Oso dancing in his boot.
This is going to trigger the usual suspects.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2021, 06:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/allisonkellaher/status/1364769247528771587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1364770802357465090%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fmarquette%2FArticle%2FWojo-comments-after-Marquette-beat-North-Carolina-83-70-161451484%2F
Love it. Life SHOULD be full of little celebrations.
Or ...
Folks can choose to be pissed off about a double-digit win at the Dean Dome because it will result in a coach who wasn't going to get fired anyway not getting fired.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 06:38:43 AM
So you're saying we shouldn't compete and intentionally lose? I don't think MU fans are neglecting the bigger picture at all. Nor do I believe last night's win or what we do from here on out will determine how we proceed in the future.
That sums it up nicely. The players and coaches are going to try and win. This isn't professional sports where teams are suddenly cheered on to lose to improve draft chances.
If the AD comes out and says this win saved Wojo's job or was indicative of some trajectory, then we can have a discussion. Fans underestimate how athletic departments think. Take a look at the bigger picture of the department and ask yourself if they're capable of making the right decision about coaches and so on.
I don't think anyone is angry we won. Even the most disillusioned of Nojo has to believe last night was a nice win for which we should be thankful. The guys played hard. They played with emotion and they did what they were supposed to do.
Win
Rather, a lot of us feel a sense of emptiness. The sense that comes from a team that defeated Wisconsin, Creighton and North Carolina but managed to lose to St. John's, Seton Hall and DePaul. While there is no shame in an occasional unexpected loss (unless it is DePaul), the lack of execution in our losses, the turnovers and the inconsistency is maddening.
What last night showed is that we have what we thought we had -- a reasonably talented but raw group of basketball players. The consistency that by now we would have expected has yet to come and the flash of brilliance we saw last night is a harbinger of what could have been.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2021, 07:29:45 AM
Love it. Life SHOULD be full of little celebrations.
Or ...
Folks can choose to be pissed off about a double-digit win at the Dean Dome because it will result in a coach who wasn't going to get fired anyway not getting fired.
LOL, yeah. It sounds silly when you say it that way, but that's exactly right.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2021, 01:21:12 AM
Based on this post I had to to try to figure out if this was just a troll. Been registered sine 2012, so not likely. Though the last thing that this person was so emotional about was that everyone should probably being using Apple and not Android.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32812.msg399062#msg399062
I donno. :-X
I'm 95% sure the spirits of Skip Bayless and Laura Ingraham we're alternately possessing him. 5% sure it's the other type of spirits in him last night that he couldn't control.
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for some people....
Enjoying a road win against a quality program and being happy for the kids on the team does not equate to:
-Being satisfied with this season
-Accepting mediocrity
-Wanting Wojo to return next season
Additionally, as mentioned by multiple posters, this win will not have anything to do with a decision on Wojo's future.
If you can't understand all of this you're not particularly bright.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 12:57:13 AM
Decisions are made off of seasons and seasons are the culmination of individual games.
Landing somewhere in the middle season after season after season after season after season after season after season has provided Wojo with nothing but handsome extensions.
Beating UNC, coming back from an embarrassing deficit to squeak out a win against Georgetown, and beating a D3 Butler team by 3 are all individual games - obviously. But those three individual games aggregate to change the final result of this season to another "somewhere in the middle" season that the admin will happily pawn off as "just missed the tourney" or "another post season (NIT) appearance".
The alternative is losses in those games that will force the admin's hand in making a decision about this coaching staff - whether it be this year or next. Winning those three individual games in the greater context of this season adds no progress to the "where-we-want-to-be-o-meter", but they do provide a convenient shield for the admin to downplay the dire state of affairs of our program.
So excuse me for not being one of the blissful idiots. I see the bigger picture and it's quite grim. It just seems that... some don't. Some never will.
You see the bigger picture, but you think beating UNC on the road is going to keep Wojo around.
Oh the irony.
Quote from: BLM on February 25, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
You see the bigger picture, but you think beating UNC on the road is going to keep Wojo around.
Oh the irony.
Didn't we just have this similar conversation after the Georgetown win? And didn't I just spend 3 paragraphs making the points that, while this is an individual game, it aggregates with other individual games to change the outcome of our season from piss poor to mediocre? Both of which suck but one of which is defensible? Read the post or don't reply.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:32:40 AM
Didn't we just have this similar conversation after the Georgetown win? And didn't I just spend 3 paragraphs making the points that, while this is an individual game, it aggregates with other individual games to change the outcome of our season from piss poor to mediocre? Both of which suck but one of which is defensible? Read the post or don't reply.
So you "see the bigger picture," yet you think a win at UNC changes our season from "piss poor" to "mediocre?"
Again, the irony.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2021, 08:21:04 AM
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for some people....
Enjoying a road win against a quality program and being happy for the kids on the team does not equate to:
-Being satisfied with this season
-Accepting mediocrity
-Wanting Wojo to return next season
Additionally, as mentioned by multiple posters, this win will not have anything to do with a decision on Wojo's future.
If you can't understand all of this you're not particularly bright.
Nah bro if you didn't smash your TV last night out of anger then Wojo's going to get an extension and continue tanking for draft picks.
I think it's fair for people to not really have the same excitement this win might usually have. This isn't exactly an usual UNC team, just as for UNC this isn't an usual Marquette team where they could say "oh well it's an underrated program".
I get why some people might want this season to basically be over at this point. Even if we win out we don't have a great chance at a bid so I think some people just don't want that false hope.
That being said on a nationally televised game we embarrassed a storied program on their home court when their backs should've been against a wall fighting for a bid. That is worth being happy over. Not exactly drinking all night and feeling like kings of basketball but a good feeling in a season where there's only been two other good feelings.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:32:40 AM
Didn't we just have this similar conversation after the Georgetown win? And didn't I just spend 3 paragraphs making the points that, while this is an individual game, it aggregates with other individual games to change the outcome of our season from piss poor to mediocre? Both of which suck but one of which is defensible? Read the post or don't reply.
<sigh>
He was never getting fired after this year.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:32:40 AM
Didn't we just have this similar conversation after the Georgetown win? And didn't I just spend 3 paragraphs making the points that, while this is an individual game, it aggregates with other individual games to change the outcome of our season from piss poor to mediocre? Both of which suck but one of which is defensible? Read the post or don't reply.
I certainly am sick of mediocre seasons and want Wojo gone. But that being said I'd prefer a mediocre season over a bad season 10/10 times. And by admitting that we'd be headed to another mediocre season aren't you admitting to overreacting and using major hyperbole when you don't stop mentioning how irrelevant and terrible we are?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 06:38:43 AM
So you're saying we shouldn't compete and intentionally lose? I don't think MU fans are neglecting the bigger picture at all. Nor do I believe last night's win or what we do from here on out will determine how we proceed in the future.
No one is suggesting the team not compete. They should go out there and do their absolute best every time on the floor. The same way the 76ers G League teams they were trotting out for a couple years played 100% every single night. If that effort results in .500 seasons every year and bubble city with no NCAA wins over 8 years - the admin needs to be smart enough to move on from the coach. They have not been. They won't be at the end of this year (is the consensus). So really the admin is as responsible for the eternal plunge into irrelevance as Wojo - which I've said consistently.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.
---------
Some here seem to misconstrue serenity for blissful ignorance. Maybe that makes it easier for them to vent their anger, instead of enjoying a special moment for MU hoops.
Quote from: BLM on February 25, 2021, 08:33:42 AM
So you "see the bigger picture," yet you think a win at UNC changes our season from "piss poor" to "mediocre?"
Again, the irony.
Buddy, read the post. I listed 3 wins that "aggregate" to change the outcome of the season. Do you know what "aggregate" means? You've been on here with this same song and dance at every single one.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 08:36:08 AM
But that being said I'd prefer a mediocre season over a bad season 10/10 times.
Here's the difference between you (and everyone else trying to make your point) and me. This is why we can't agree.
To me - there is absolutely no difference at all between a bad season and a mediocre season. None. To me - they are both completely unacceptable failures and do nothing to excite me as a fan. The only "difference" is that I can see how the powers that be could attempt to defend one over the other.
It's important to celebrate success, and, MUBB was successful last night. There's value in celebrating a good non-conference win over a good program in an additional geography. Enjoy it until the next practice/game. And, on to the next one.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
To me - there is absolutely no difference at all between a bad season and a mediocre season. None. To me - they are both completely unacceptable failures.
So what are you gonna do about it, 5Cent, besides come on Scoop and whine about our wins?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2021, 08:21:04 AM
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for some people....
Enjoying a road win against a quality program and being happy for the kids on the team does not equate to:
-Being satisfied with this season
-Accepting mediocrity
-Wanting Wojo to return next season
Additionally, as mentioned by multiple posters, this win will not have anything to do with a decision on Wojo's future.
If you can't understand all of this you're not particularly bright.
Thank you.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 08:36:08 AM
I certainly am sick of mediocre seasons and want Wojo gone. But that being said I'd prefer a mediocre season over a bad season 10/10 times. And by admitting that we'd be headed to another mediocre season aren't you admitting to overreacting and using major hyperbole when you don't stop mentioning how irrelevant and terrible we are?
Also - I don't say we're "terrible". I say we are "irrelevant". We absolutely are "irrelevant" and that's not hyperbole. Mediocrity = irrelevance. Nobody thinks about us in the National picture. Many NCAA fans probably all but forgot we existed until we won last night. We won't be in the tourney so there's no path to relevance there. During his tenure we've been there twice and lost twice - like a fly you swat away from your ear. We are irrelevant under Wojo. The longer he coaches the more irrelevant we will become.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2021, 08:56:18 AM
So what are you gonna do about it, 5Cent, besides come on Scoop and whine about our wins?
I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here? Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.
But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here? Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.
But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.
Classy.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:45:09 AM
Buddy, read the post. I listed 3 wins that "aggregate" to change the outcome of the season. Do you know what "aggregate" means? You've been on here with this same song and dance at every single one.
Buddy, beating Georgetown, Butler, and UNC are not going to be what keeps Wojo around. You pretend you have this incredible ability to see the bigger picture that everyone else is missing. In reality, it's completely the opposite. If you reverse the results of any (or all) of those 3 games, the outcome of the season (and Wojo's job status) do not change.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here? Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.
But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.
Imagine being a grown man and thinking booing coaches or teams is cool.
But hey. You have the bigger picture in mind. If you boo, it's sending the message! Mediocrity (we beat UNC!) will not be tolerated just as piss poor (we lost to UNC :( ) will not be tolerated here.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here? Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.
But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.
Not true! Yours enlighten all the fools here.
Re booing: Please find a way to get into the Xavier game and get a seat near the bench so Wojo can hear you. The closer to Theo, the better.
Except for a couple of Scoopers - who have disappeared from the board the past week or so - nearly all of us have assumed Wojo would be back all season. And that includes those like me who went from ProJo to NoJo during the course of the season.
He was coming off 3 NCAAs in 4 years and there's a pandemic this season. He has a $6M buyout. All around the nation, bluebloods are having poor seasons. All of the above made it easy for MU honchos who like Wojo to rationalize keeping him. Many (most?) of us might not like it, but he simply wasn't going to get fired.
So to keep saying that 1 or 2 or 3 wins "saved" him ... it's just silly. And to not enjoy a double-digit victory at the Dean Dome ... sorry, but it's plain stoopid.
I'm gonna be happy when we win. If we win out and somehow get into the NCAA tourney, I'll be ecstatic. And if we have a great season in 2021-22, I'll be very happy to admit I was wrong(ish) about Wojo.
What I'm never gonna do is whine after victories by the team I have spent 45 years loving.
Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?
Or how good is DePaul for beating us...who beat UNC...who beat UL? ;D
#sleepinggiant
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2021, 09:13:30 AM
Except for a couple of Scoopers - who have disappeared from the board the past week or so - nearly all of us have assumed Wojo would be back all season. And that includes those like me who went from ProJo to NoJo during the course of the season.
He was coming off 3 NCAAs in 4 years and there's a pandemic this season. He has a $6M buyout. All around the nation, bluebloods are having poor seasons. All of the above made it easy for MU honchos who like Wojo to rationalize keeping him. Many (most?) of us might not like it, but he simply wasn't going to get fired.
So to keep saying that 1 or 2 or 3 wins "saved" him ... it's just silly. And to not enjoy a double-digit victory at the Dean Dome ... sorry, but it's plain stoopid.
I'm gonna be happy when we win. If we win out and somehow get into the NCAA tourney, I'll be ecstatic. And if we have a great season in 2021-22, I'll be very happy to admit I was wrong(ish) about Wojo.
What I'm never gonna do is whine after victories by the team I have spent 45 years loving.
This is where I am. Wojo is coming back next year, so there is no reason not to celebrate the victories. And frankly, there is
never a reason not to celebrate the victories unless someone gets injured in the game.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 25, 2021, 09:20:17 AM
Or how good is DePaul for beating us...who beat UNC...who beat UL? ;D
#sleepinggiant
And we beat Creighton who beat Villanova. So Depaul > Villanova.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 08:39:51 AM
No one is suggesting the team not compete. They should go out there and do their absolute best every time on the floor. The same way the 76ers G League teams they were trotting out for a couple years played 100% every single night. If that effort results in .500 seasons every year and bubble city with no NCAA wins over 8 years - the admin needs to be smart enough to move on from the coach. They have not been. They won't be at the end of this year (is the consensus). So really the admin is as responsible for the eternal plunge into irrelevance as Wojo - which I've said consistently.
Have people not agreed with this assessment? I guess I'm missing where anyone said the performance and result of last night means we should no longer make a coaching change? t's ludicrous that this one game would directly impact the admin decision. My guess is several weeks ago they have discussed whether to bring him back for one more year or blow this thing up immediately.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 10:41:28 AM
Have people not agreed with this assessment? I guess I'm missing where anyone said the performance and result of last night means we should no longer make a coaching change? t's ludicrous that this one game would directly impact the admin decision. My guess is several weeks ago they have discussed whether to bring him back for one more year or blow this thing up immediately.
I am confident that they have already given the green light on next year with Wojo. Otherwise, he could not recruit and it seems they are making some progress in the 2022 class and still recruiting the 2021 class. Why spend the money and time to go to North Carolina if the coach is a dead man walking? I agree he should be retained. I think his leash will be short next year but our young guys are making progress. Love what I am seeing from Garcia and Carton.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?
We'll find out soon when they get dismantled by UVA.
Quote from: Gato78 on February 25, 2021, 11:11:04 AM
I am confident that they have already given the green light on next year with Wojo. Otherwise, he could not recruit and it seems they are making some progress in the 2022 class and still recruiting the 2021 class. Why spend the money and time to go to North Carolina if the coach is a dead man walking? I agree he should be retained. I think his leash will be short next year but our young guys are making progress. Love what I am seeing from Garcia and Carton.
This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term. It provides a glimmer of hope. Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing." Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc... Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably. There is no success on the horizon. He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term. It provides a glimmer of hope. Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing." Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc... Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably. There is no success on the horizon. He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.
I've been saying this exact thing since at least 2018. We will still be here in 2022, then in 2024, then in 2026. The only way to fix the program is to cut the bad fruit off of the tree as soon as possible.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?
Roy thought this game would be a win. He said it in his post game presser. UNC was looking past us.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 01:58:35 PM
I've been saying this exact thing since at least 2018. We will still be here in 2022, then in 2024, then in 2026. The only way to fix the program is to cut the bad fruit off of the tree as soon as possible.
I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 01:51:28 AM
I understand that you think Marquette losing is the best thing for the program long term. I don't agree with but comprehend your thought process. But do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy watching your team lose? If the answer is yes, I don't get that but that's your business. If that's how you get your rocks off, more power to you.
But if the answer is no...why are you watching? If wins make you upset because you think it is bad for the program long term and losses make you upset because you don't enjoy watching your team lose, what possible upside can there be to you watching? Why not just tune out until either Wojo is fired or has won enough to change your mind?
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term. It provides a glimmer of hope. Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing." Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc... Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably. There is no success on the horizon. He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.
Agreed.
Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.
It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.
But it is what it is. MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:
I didn't even watch the first half and turned it on expecting to see MU blown out and saw MU up 18 and said to myself, "oh crap."
Agree with Pitcher that last night was a disaster for MU long term.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 25, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
I didn't even watch the first half and turned it on expecting to see MU blown out and saw MU up 18 and said to myself, "oh crap."
Agree with Pitcher that last night was a disaster for MU long term.
It isn't
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 25, 2021, 02:10:11 PM
Agreed.
Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.
It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.
But it is what it is. MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.
Again, you aren't understanding something.
*Wojo was coming back next year regardless of the outcome. Gato confirmed this. Gato knows what he is talking about
*People can still think that Wojo isn't the right coach for this team, but but happy for the outcome, happy for the team and happy for the coach.
*I have absolutely no leverage to fire the coach.
These aren't excuses and I am not content about the overall direction of the program. But I am happy they won.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term. It provides a glimmer of hope. Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing." Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc... Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably. There is no success on the horizon. He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.
I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.
I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 02:17:49 PM
I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.
I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.
Fact and logic have no place at Scoop.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 02:17:49 PM
I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.
I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.
Yea, also UNC is a bubble team. UW and Creighton were much better wins. Is beating UCONN going to dramatically setback the program?
Heck, maybe the powers that be at Boston College saw the game and thought they need to make a run at Wojo. Talented team with some injuries came into UNC on short notice and fit a win. He knows all about the ACC.
All fans are sometimes idiots. It just a matter of how often you show your idiocy that makes people decide if they think you're an idiot.
Looking at the Tarheel message boards today, their fans don't sound much different than some people on this board. There are even some of them calling for a coaching change. Go figure.
Quote from: GurneeHitchkr on February 25, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
All fans are sometimes idiots. It just a matter of how often you show your idiocy that makes people decide if they think you're an idiot.
Looking at the Tarheel message boards today, their fans don't sound much different than some people on this board. There are even some of them calling for a coaching change. Go figure.
If that happens, Scholl has to call Roy's agent right?
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 25, 2021, 02:10:11 PM
Agreed.
Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.
It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.
But it is what it is. MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.
With all due respect I think the two of you are conflating separate issues. I can't speak/write for everyone but I and many other posters agree we need to blow this thing up ASAP. Imo it's a dumpster fire and last night doesn't change that fact.
At the same time if you are literally rooting for us to lose, believing that these losses will seal the deal regarding Wojo's future, then it does beg the question why do you support and watch the team at all?
Additionally, if you are excoriating MU fans for enjoying a win over UNC, especially in light of how tough this year has been, it's truly bizarre and suggests that you have trouble compartmentalizing. If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?
They're not great, but don't forget they were coming off a long COVID pause. Look at what that did to Baylor. I don't put much stock in that performance being indicative of L-ville as a team.
This kinda felt like the WV game. We marched into their house with a chip on our shoulder and took home a W. I enjoyed it
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 25, 2021, 02:05:27 PM
Roy thought this game would be a win. He said it in his post game presser. UNC was looking past us.
Not exactly. He was asked whether they would have scheduled the game if they knew they were going to lose. Roy was incredulous at the question and replied something along the lines of "Of course we wouldn't have scheduled it if we knew we going to lose. You can't use hindsight. If I knew we were going to win I would have scheduled the Lakers."
He thought (correctly) that it was a dumb question.
EDIT: I mean, yeah, I'm sure he thought they would win however.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 25, 2021, 07:46:12 AM
I don't think anyone is angry we won. Even the most disillusioned of Nojo has to believe last night was a nice win for which we should be thankful. The guys played hard. They played with emotion and they did what they were supposed to do.
Win
Rather, a lot of us feel a sense of emptiness. The sense that comes from a team that defeated Wisconsin, Creighton and North Carolina but managed to lose to St. John's, Seton Hall and DePaul. While there is no shame in an occasional unexpected loss (unless it is DePaul), the lack of execution in our losses, the turnovers and the inconsistency is maddening.
What last night showed is that we have what we thought we had -- a reasonably talented but raw group of basketball players. The consistency that by now we would have expected has yet to come and the flash of brilliance we saw last night is a harbinger of what could have been.
This is exactly right. I love that they won last night. I hope they win out and make the tournament.
If they don't, the empty feeling at the end of the year will be more stark because they have the talent to do it.
When you know you are short on talent and the season ends generally fans are ok with it. But having talent and not making it is a wasted opportunity not only for the year but for future years (advertising the program for future recruits).
I said before the season Wojo had to make it to the tournament with this team for me to stay on board. The talent was apparent from the beginning. Anything but that has to be looked at as a failure. Wins like last night just make it more apparent (and I love the fact that we kicked UNCs ass last night).
Butler and NC was a good start. Keep playing this way and winning out the regular season is possible. Getting to the championship game of the Big East tournament is possible. There is still a sliver of hope.
Lose this weekend to UConn and it's all a waste of good talent and one big empty feeling.
Go MU! I'm pulling for a miracle.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 02:17:49 PM
I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.
I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.
You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply. The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter." People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply. The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter." People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."
I mean, he wasn't getting fired regardless of what happened last night. I'm fine saying that because it is a fact.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 02:33:54 PM
With all due respect I think the two of you are conflating separate issues. I can't speak/write for everyone but I and many other posters agree we need to blow this thing up ASAP. Imo it's a dumpster fire and last night doesn't change that fact.
At the same time if you are literally rooting for us to lose, believing that these losses will seal the deal regarding Wojo's future, then it does beg the question why do you support and watch the team at all?
Additionally, if you are excoriating MU fans for enjoying a win over UNC, especially in light of how tough this year has been, it's truly bizarre and suggests that you have trouble compartmentalizing. If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?
Does having the steak mean I'm more likely to be eating Ramen for years to come? Also the steak served last night wasn't some prime aged ribeye from the finest steakhouse. It was more like a $5 greasy steak from a diner.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 25, 2021, 03:25:53 PM
I mean, he wasn't getting fired regardless of what happened last night. I'm fine saying that because it is a fact.
Let's say that's true. Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
Let's say that's true.
We can say it's true because it is true. No need for the hypothetical.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.
I'm going to celebrate it because I like when my team wins. I like the players AND I like the coach. I think he should be fired because he isn't good enough but I still like the guy.
You still don't understand that nothing that happened yesterday had any marginal impact on Wojo. So you have managed to make yourself miserable over a Marquette victory, and continuously getting dunked on Scoop, over something that has no relevance to your ultimate goal. Hilarious.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:26:33 PM
Does having the steak mean I%u2019m more likely to be eating Ramen for years to come? Also the steak served last night wasn%u2019t some prime aged ribeye from the finest steakhouse. It was more like a $5 greasy steak from a diner.
Fair enough. Why don't you let me know when exactly to be happy even for an hour? Is the answer the day Wojo is terminated or is no longer with the program? What's the time-line here and is it okay to enjoy any win until we get an NCAA tournament win? I was just curious about your thought process on this one. Ty.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:28:37 PM
Let's say that's true. Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.
As I said in another thread, I enjoyed the win and seeing the kids happy made it even better. I really hope Wojo adds this game/scenario to his resume for a new job this offseason.
I can be happy and still understand the bigger picture is pretty bleak until a change at the top is made.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply.
I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter." People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."
Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.
I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.
Mobilized fan bases usually lead to disaster
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:
Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. Is it really any of your business anyway? Why are you so obsessed with how I feel about the team / program? If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do. It's called being a sports fan. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 03:39:57 PM
I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.
Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.
I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.
Yep. That's much the case.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 02:33:54 PM
If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?
If the meal was provided to me by the same person feeding me ramen noodles the other 90% of the time - I'd have a hard time enjoying it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 25, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
Fair enough. Why don't you let me know when exactly to be happy even for an hour? Is the answer the day Wojo is terminated or is no longer with the program? What's the time-line here and is it okay to enjoy any win until we get an NCAA tournament win? I was just curious about your thought process on this one. Ty.
It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him
Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him
Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.
Agree about purgatory. Better that than hell
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 04:53:58 PM
Agree about purgatory. Better that than hell
Not when it comes to sports.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him
Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.
Organize the fan base and contact the administration. Work with the power brokers and financial contributors to help pressure the schools and athletic department to make a move. Scoop is one place to start. You can also organize at Dodd's board and social media. It'll take a solid effort and a lot of money and financial backing to have something done after this season. Your passion is a great starting point. I'll read your newsletter if you publish one. Thanks for your efforts ahead of time
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 25, 2021, 03:37:59 PM
We can say it's true because it is true. No need for the hypothetical.
I'm going to celebrate it because I like when my team wins. I like the players AND I like the coach. I think he should be fired because he isn't good enough but I still like the guy.
You still don't understand that nothing that happened yesterday had any marginal impact on Wojo. So you have managed to make yourself miserable over a Marquette victory, and continuously getting dunked on Scoop, over something that has no relevance to your ultimate goal. Hilarious.
You keep saying I don't understand that yesterday's victory had no impact on Wojo. You're too dumb to realize that what you're arguing is only proving the larger point. You're a mental midget. You didn't really go to Marquette did you? If so it's embarrassing.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:03:55 PM
Not when it comes to sports.
Maybe in the pros where there's draft picks. In college I'd rather be in purgatory, which as you said earlier is irrelevant. You've called us irrelevant last year when we were a lock for the tournament thus irrelevant means in the tournament.
I'd personally rather be one of the 68 schools to get in front of the most watched sporting event in the country as opposed to in "hell" which would pretty much be anything after the "Next four out"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 03:39:57 PM
I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.
Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.
I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.
You're pretty dumb to think that if the money starts to dry up from fans not donating, buying tickets etc that change wouldn't happen sooner. Laugh all you want but it makes you look naive at best and idiotic at worst.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:10:00 PM
Maybe in the pros where there's draft picks. In college I'd rather be in purgatory, which as you said earlier is irrelevant. You've called us irrelevant last year when we were a lock for the tournament thus irrelevant means in the tournament.
I'd personally rather be one of the 68 schools to get in front of the most watched sporting event in the country as opposed to in "hell" which would pretty much be anything after the "Next four out"
Can you please point to any data that says the NCAA tournament is the most watched sporting event in the country?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. Is it really any of your business anyway? Why are you so obsessed with how I feel about the team / program? If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do. It's called being a sports fan. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.
I don't think I'm obsessed. I asked a question twice. If you didn't answer this time I was going to leave it alone. I was just genuinely curious. I can't imagine choosing to put myself in a no win scenario like you have. I simply don't have time to dedicate energy to things that I'm not going to enjoy no matter what the outcome. But like you said (and I said in my original post) that's your business and more power to you.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
I don't think I'm obsessed. I asked a question twice. If you didn't answer this time I was going to leave it alone. I was just genuinely curious. I can't imagine choosing to put myself in a no win scenario like you have. I simply don't have time to dedicate energy to things that I'm not going to enjoy no matter what the outcome. But like you said (and I said in my original post) that's your business and more power to you.
You are a superior human being, TAMU. Is that what you're looking for?
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
You're pretty dumb to think that if the money starts to dry up from fans not donating, buying tickets etc that change wouldn't happen sooner. Laugh all you want but it makes you look naive at best and idiotic at worst.
Ah but this is a different argument. Finances will always drive decisions. Fans posting on MUScoop that they enjoyed a win in a crappy season will not.
How do you identify the person who is definitely not the smartest one in the conversation and definitely insecure about their intelligence? It's the guy calling everyone else dumb.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:07:55 PM
You keep saying I don't understand that yesterday's victory had no impact on Wojo. You're too dumb to realize that what you're arguing is only proving the larger point. You're a mental midget. You didn't really go to Marquette did you? If so it's embarrassing.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
You're pretty dumb to think that if the money starts to dry up from fans not donating, buying tickets etc that change wouldn't happen sooner. Laugh all you want but it makes you look naive at best and idiotic at worst.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:13:59 PM
Can you please point to any data that says the NCAA tournament is the most watched sporting event in the country?
Number 3 in the US is Final four, the question is whether the rest of the games add up to the super bowl ratings. I'd almost guarantee it but in the very least I'll admit I can't find the stat (though I'm positive I've seen it) and say it's for sure second.
https://www.roadtrips.com/blog/the-most-watched-sporting-events-in-the-world/
Edit:
But the NCAA tournament is 67 games long, and each game on last year's bracket averaged 11.3 million viewers. Combined, that's a combined audience of 757.1 million -- or at least that many opportunities to put a product in front of a viewer. The NFL Wild Card, divisional playoffs, conference championships and Super Bowl averaged little more than 50 million viewers per game. However, with only 11 games, that's only 550 million total, or about 207.1 million fewer chances for networks and sponsors to catch a viewer's attention.
https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/how-march-madness-stacks-up-money-wise-against-other-sporting-events-13491940
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:13:59 PM
Can you please point to any data that says the NCAA tournament is the most watched sporting event in the country?
I would assume he meant the tournament in total. With 63 guaranteed games and an average of 10.5 million viewers per game, that 661.5 Million viewers over the course of the tournament. Of course, Marquette hasn't lasted long in any tournaments under Wojo so how much viewership we actually got is much lower.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:10:00 PM
Maybe in the pros where there's draft picks. In college I'd rather be in purgatory, which as you said earlier is irrelevant. You've called us irrelevant last year when we were a lock for the tournament thus irrelevant means in the tournament.
Losing in the first round of or not making the NCAA tournament is pretty much irrelevancy.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
I would assume he meant the tournament in total. With 63 guaranteed games and an average of 10.5 million viewers per game, that 661.5 Million viewers over the course of the tournament. Of course, Marquette hasn't lasted long in any tournaments under Wojo so how much viewership we actually got is much lower.
So do we get to sum up all the viewers for every NFL and NBA playoff game and compare? Absurd logic.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
So do we get to sum up all the viewers for every NFL and NBA playoff game and compare? Absurd logic.
Yes and it's less.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:25:08 PM
Losing in the first round of or not making the NCAA tournament is pretty much irrelevancy.
I agree it's irrelevancy *for a program like Marquette.*
Which is why I agree we're in Purgatory and that Wojo should be fired.
But I think you're crazy for saying it's not as bad or equal to being in "hell"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:30:13 PM
I agree it's irrelevancy *for a program like Marquette.*
Which is why I agree we're in Purgatory and that Wojo should be fired.
But I think you're crazy for saying it's not as bad or equal to being in "hell"
What's the difference? Wojo throws us one or two bones during the year (UNC and Wisconsin) in exchange for a 4 year, huge buyout extension, but we end up in essentially the same place? Not worth it.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:19:30 PM
You are a superior human being, TAMU. Is that what you're looking for?
I might be but certainly not for this reason. When I don't understand someone else's viewpoint I ask them about it. Helps me get different perspectives.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
What's the difference? Wojo throws us one or two bones during the year (UNC and Wisconsin) in exchange for a 4 year, huge buyout extension, but we end up in essentially the same place? Not worth it.
Why would Wojo get a 4 year huge buyout extension after this season? Do you actually think Scholl will be that impressed with this season?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
Why would Wojo get a 4 year huge buyout extension after this season? Do you actually think Scholl will be that impressed with this season?
I think Scholl and Lovell are THRILLED with MUBB right now. And that's not a joke. I think those two boobs would only do something if forced (aka a DePaul style season). Quote this in 2023 and let's see who was right.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:28:27 PM
Yes and it's less.
NBA is only less in 2020 because of the Mickey Mouse playoffs. Otherwise they easily beat the NCAA tourney in less games. NFL might lose (haven't done the math) but it's hard to win when you play 1/6th of the games.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
I think Scholl and Lovell are THRILLED with MUBB right now. And that's not a joke. I think those two boobs would only do something if forced (aka a DePaul style season). Quote this in 2023 and let's see who was right.
Have you contacted the administration at Marquette at all? Have you with withheld money from the university as an alum? I am genuinely curious
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
So do we get to sum up all the viewers for every NFL and NBA playoff game and compare? Absurd logic.
The NFL playoffs have more viewers per game but with only 11 games total (in Non-COVID years) the total numbers are much smaller than the NCAA tournament. The NBA playoff can have anywhere from 60 to 105 games but the viewers per game are much lower than the NCAA tournament. The Finals last year only averaged 7.5 million a game. The average for the whole NCAA tournament is 10.5 million a game.
Again, I'm not making an argument for or against anything. I was just answering Farley's question about data saying the tournament is the most watched sporting event.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
What's the difference? Wojo throws us one or two bones during the year (UNC and Wisconsin) in exchange for a 4 year, huge buyout extension, but we end up in essentially the same place? Not worth it.
I feel like I already explained the difference and if I didn't you just did. Again I'm very much for firing Wojo, I don't know why you're arguing like I am. I just am sick of the ridiculous hyperbole as if we've dropped to complete incompetence (see Depaul, or Pittsburgh).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:42:05 PM
The NFL playoffs have more viewers per game but with only 11 games total (in Non-COVID years) the total numbers are much smaller than the NCAA tournament. The NBA playoff can have anywhere from 60 to 105 games but the viewers per game are much lower than the NCAA tournament. The Finals last year only averaged 7.5 million a game. The average for the whole NCAA tournament is 10.5 million a game.
Again, I'm not making an argument for or against anything. I was just answering Farley's question about data saying the tournament is the most watched sporting event.
I'm seeing 11.3 million average per game. What source are you using?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 25, 2021, 05:40:07 PM
Have you contacted the administration at Marquette at all? Have you with withheld money from the university as an alum? I am genuinely curious
Yes and yes.
Since you asked, I donated a good amount (for me) to the new business school. I'm an alum of the business school and quite proud of it. If the business program at Marquette were to hire mediocre professors, not consistently develop its students into leaders, and not be active in the Milwaukee business community - I probably wouldn't have. It's not right to "punish" the business school because I don't like Wojo.
The only money I'll give the athletic program from here on in is season tickets (I wish I could withhold that, but I just cannot). This is different than my practice in years past.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:42:05 PM
The NFL playoffs have more viewers per game but with only 11 games total (in Non-COVID years) the total numbers are much smaller than the NCAA tournament. The NBA playoff can have anywhere from 60 to 105 games but the viewers per game are much lower than the NCAA tournament. The Finals last year only averaged 7.5 million a game. The average for the whole NCAA tournament is 10.5 million a game.
Again, I'm not making an argument for or against anything. I was just answering Farley's question about data saying the tournament is the most watched sporting event.
Look up NBA playoff viewership every other year besides this COVID year. It's an unfair comparison.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
I think Scholl and Lovell are THRILLED with MUBB right now. And that's not a joke. I think those two boobs would only do something if forced (aka a DePaul style season). Quote this in 2023 and let's see who was right.
Well this explains why you are bent out of shape about the UNC game. You have a fantasy about the administration and actually think that Scholl is dumb enough to offer a 4 year huge buyout extension after this terrible season. Only way that happens is if we stretch this 2 game winning streak into at least a 10 game winning streak.
Wojo will likely get an extension after this season for recruiting purposes. It will come with an extremely lowered buyout, same thing they did to Harbaugh's contract. If he doesn't win enough next season, he will be gone.
Regardless of basketball, I think we should all be unhappy overall. Life is merely a repetitive slog where we go through the motions hoping to blindly run into a fleeting moment of happiness once in a while.
Eat at Arby's.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:47:58 PM
Yes and yes.
Since you asked, I donated a good amount (for me) to the new business school. I'm an alum of the business school and quite proud of it. If the business program at Marquette were to hire mediocre professors, not consistently develop its students into leaders, and not be active in the Milwaukee business community - I probably wouldn't have. It's not right to "punish" the business school because I don't like Wojo.
The only money I'll give the athletic program from here on in is season tickets (I wish I could withhold that, but I just cannot). This is different than my practice in years past.
Then you're an easy mark for the university. Good luck on your quest
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:49:55 PM
Look up NBA playoff viewership every other year besides this COVID year. It's an unfair comparison.
That's fair. The NBA finals numbers were a lot better in previous years.
But this led to me looking for the actual numbers for NBA playoff games besides the finals. In 2018, NBA playoffs averaged around 4.5 million viewers per game prior to the Finals. And this was considered a strong year. Again, much smaller than the 10.5 million per game of the NCAAT.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
That's fair. The NBA finals numbers were a lot better in previous years.
But this led to me looking for the actual numbers for NBA playoff games besides the finals. In 2018, NBA playoffs averaged around 4.5 million viewers per game prior to the Finals. And this was considered a strong year. Again, much smaller than the 10.5 million per game of the NCAAT.
Does the 10.5 million include the Championship and Final Four? If so - still an unfair comparison to then exclude the NBA Finals.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
Does the 10.5 million include the Championship and Final Four? If so - still an unfair comparison to then exclude the NBA Finals.
I thought you would be able to see that 4-7 games of increased viewership wasn't going to make up for a 6 million per game difference in viewership. But here's all the math.
In 2018, the NBA playoff games up to the finals averaged 4.5 million viewers per game. The max number of games was 98 (the actual number was 78). 98 x 4.5 mill = 441 million total possible viewers (351 actual viewers).
The 2018 NBA finals averaged 17.7 million viewers per game. The max number of games 7 (the actual number was 4). 7 x 17.7 mill = 123.9 million total possible viewers (70.8 million actual viewers).
441 million + 123.9 million = 564.9 million total possible viewers
351 million + 70.8 million = 421.8 million actual viewers
10.5 million viewers per game x 63 NCAAT games = 661.5 million actual viewers.
661.5 million > 564.9 million to 421.8 million
One Scooper, who is a verified insider by the meat eating lovers, has guaranteed Wojo is gone after this season. Says he hears much differently than what everyone else hears here. So I'll trust him. Even though he then backtracks immediately and asks how anyone could ever know what the suckers in the administration will do. Which is admitting he's really heard absolutely nothing at all.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. Is it really any of your business anyway? Why are you so obsessed with how I feel about the team / program? If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do. It's called being a sports fan. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.
It's our business because it's unavoidable with you. You bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch some more. You're as big of a triple B as there has ever been. My 3 year old's temper tantrums aren't as bad as your kicking and screaming after Marquette's wins. And somehow you consider yourself the smartest guy in the room.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do.
This is why you are 5DollarBitcher!!
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 25, 2021, 07:15:26 PM
This is why you are 5DollarBitcher!!
Pitcher*
Sorry. Autocorrect.
Easy, Jables. Don't hurt yourself there, big guy.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 25, 2021, 05:07:55 PM
You keep saying I don't understand that yesterday's victory had no impact on Wojo. You're too dumb to realize that what you're arguing is only proving the larger point. You're a mental midget. You didn't really go to Marquette did you? If so it's embarrassing.
So since you have resorted to name calling, I'm pretty much going to declare that a white flag.
I'll take the W on this one.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 25, 2021, 06:58:35 PM
One Scooper, who is a verified insider by the meat eating lovers, has guaranteed Wojo is gone after this season. Says he hears much differently than what everyone else hears here. So I'll trust him. Even though he then backtracks immediately and asks how anyone could ever know what the suckers in the administration will do. Which is admitting he's really heard absolutely nothing at all.
Pretty sure the verified insider is full of it. Wojo is coming back.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 05:47:58 PM
The only money I'll give the athletic program from here on in is season tickets (I wish I could withhold that, but I just cannot). This is different than my practice in years past.
Then you are a big part of the problem.
Thanks for guaranteeing that Wojo stays forever and for ruining Marquette basketball.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
Then you are a big part of the problem.
Thanks for guaranteeing that Wojo stays forever and for ruining Marquette basketball.
This brings about a great philosophical question. (1) Does the admin / BOT have a duty to ensure the basketball program is winning and continuing the important tradition that is a key tenet of the University's identity? Or (2) do they only have a fiduciary duty to ensure there are butts in the seats?
Normally they are one and the same, but with MUBB having an unusually loyal fanbase - it has created an opportunity for the BOT to accept mediocrity (even embrace it).
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
This brings about a great philosophical question. (1) Does the admin / BOT have a duty to ensure the basketball program is winning and continuing the important tradition that is a key tenet of the University's identity? Or (2) do they only have a fiduciary duty to ensure there are butts in the seats?
Normally they are one and the same, but with MUBB having an unusually loyal fanbase - it has created an opportunity for the BOT to accept mediocrity (even embrace it).
The BOT really doesn't have a responsibility for the basketball program and how it operates. Their responsibility is to the overall governance and direction of the University.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
This brings about a great philosophical question. (1) Does the admin / BOT have a duty to ensure the basketball program is winning and continuing the important tradition that is a key tenet of the University's identity? Or (2) do they only have a fiduciary duty to ensure there are butts in the seats?
Normally they are one and the same, but with MUBB having an unusually loyal fanbase - it has created an opportunity for the BOT to accept mediocrity (even embrace it).
Keep in mind that if you were on campus in March 1977, you're already over 60. You are likely in the declining years of your interest in Marquette basketball.
If you were on campus in March 2003, you're around 40 years of age. It's close to 20 years since you were on campus and we have not had a championship caliber team in seven years.
These are big gaps. In between, there are new teams and new players and a whole lot of mediocre basketball. Are the students going to be energized? Not if we do not start winning and are ranked.
You have to regenerate fan interest and if things don't change, we're in trouble!
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
This brings about a great philosophical question. (1) Does the admin / BOT have a duty to ensure the basketball program is winning and continuing the important tradition that is a key tenet of the University's identity? Or (2) do they only have a fiduciary duty to ensure there are butts in the seats?
Normally they are one and the same, but with MUBB having an unusually loyal fanbase - it has created an opportunity for the BOT to accept mediocrity (even embrace it).
Can't believe you would be so myopic, so shortsighted, such a blissful idiot, and keep those season tickets.
You obviously are happy with mediocrity.
Thanks for ruining Marquette basketball.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 25, 2021, 07:21:37 PM
So since you have resorted to name calling, I'm pretty much going to declare that a white flag.
I'll take the W on this one.
But you still don't understand...
aka Fluffy Blue Monsters winning argument. Enjoy your impressive W. 😂🤣🤣😂🤣
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 25, 2021, 06:58:35 PM
One Scooper, who is a verified insider by the meat eating lovers, has guaranteed Wojo is gone after this season. Says he hears much differently than what everyone else hears here. So I'll trust him. Even though he then backtracks immediately and asks how anyone could ever know what the suckers in the administration will do. Which is admitting he's really heard absolutely nothing at all.
I'm not sure what your conclusion is. First you say you will trust him, but then you say he admits he knows nothing at all.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 25, 2021, 07:19:58 PM
Easy, Jables. Don't hurt yourself there, big guy.
I'd bet a lot of money that you're single. Probably late 20s/early 30s. Too much time on your hands.
How'd I do?
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 25, 2021, 09:17:21 PM
I'd bet a lot of money that you're single. Probably late 20s/early 30s. Too much time on your hands.
How'd I do?
Pretty poorly.
Wait did TAMU prove you wrong my March madness point and you just glossed over it? If you spend all that time arguing have the decency to own up when you're wrong.
r/collegebasketball is enjoying this win for us:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/lt368c/typical_top_programs_survive_the_jaws_of_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/lt368c/typical_top_programs_survive_the_jaws_of_the/)
Quote from: naginiF on February 26, 2021, 11:58:41 AM
r/collegebasketball is enjoying this win for us:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/lt368c/typical_top_programs_survive_the_jaws_of_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/lt368c/typical_top_programs_survive_the_jaws_of_the/)
The internet is a treasure sometimes.