Andrew Rowsey left his team in Germany. He was signed as an injury replacement and the injured player returned . Rowsey had a very good G League season last year, so it would not be surprising if he came back to play in the proposed G League bubble.
https://sportando.basketball/en/andrew-rowsey-giessen-46ers-part-ways/
Dwight Buycks left his French team is purportedly seeking an NBA two way contract per this article
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/and-ones-buycks-hannahs-belinelli-deck.html
Jamil Wilson having a solid season with Rome in the Italian A League. It appears that Jamil has learned how to play well in Italy over the years.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Acea-Virtus-Roma/84?Page=3
DJO and Luke Fischer both starting and doing well for Orleans in the French A League. Both of these guys have carved out very good niches in Europe.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/France/Entente-Orleans-45/2358
Davante continues to dominate and very popular in Japan. His team is leading their Conference.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Japan/SeaHorses-Mikawa/2399
Dominic James has no current team listed. However here is a very interesting article on his family .
https://bvmsports.com/2020/07/01/dominic-james-wright-and-family-make-it-back-to-the-u-s/
This is great stuff! Thanks. Love that Davante's team is the Sea-horses!
And, the Big Sheesh is averaging 20.5 ppg.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 10, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
This is great stuff! Thanks. Love that Davante's team is the Sea-horses!
You want to talk about finding a place in the international game, Davante is a B League SUPERSTAR. He's led the B League in scoring the last 3 seasons. First team selection the last 2 seasons and second team the season before. He was POY in the league last year.
One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on December 10, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Dominic James has no current team listed. However here is a very interesting article on his family .
https://bvmsports.com/2020/07/01/dominic-james-wright-and-family-make-it-back-to-the-u-s/
Fun fact, the ambassador to the UAE who is pictured in that article and helped DJ and Co make it home...is an MU alum. Couldn't have hurt in assisting him 8-)
Good stuff - thanks Trump!
Jamils Italian team went broke so he is now in the top Israel League
https://www.latestbasketballnews.com/jamil-wilson-from-roma-to-hapoel-jerusalem/
I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
Do they still give out the Olouma Nnamaka award for consistency?
Quote from: JWags85 on December 10, 2020, 05:32:29 PM
You want to talk about finding a place in the international game, Davante is a B League SUPERSTAR. He's led the B League in scoring the last 3 seasons. First team selection the last 2 seasons and second team the season before. He was POY in the league last year.
One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
So what you're saying is Davante is big in Japan?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
No love for Cubillian Koby Mcmorrow or Mbao?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 21, 2020, 10:38:08 PM
No love for Cubillian Koby Mcmorrow or Mbao?
Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don't remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90's legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don't remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90's legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
Mcmorrow was a 7 footer from Canada on the 2010 team deemed ineligible to play due to knee issues and so he played at a D2 school. Mbao was also a 7 footer from Senegal on the 2010 team who was so hilariously bad in his few minutes it was comical.
Ike could also be on there for honorable mention but he's like Koby in that he's still here.
After 4 solid years in Denmark, Derrick Wilson is now in the Turkish League. He has had a very good career and is in top form so far in the first 8 games. Delighted to see Derrick doing well.
https://www.eurobasket.com/Turkey/news/635513/Sigortam.net-ITU-Basket-Istanbul-tabs-Derrick-Wilson
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 21, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
Mcmorrow was a 7 footer from Canada on the 2010 team deemed ineligible to play due to knee issues and so he played at a D2 school. Mbao was also a 7 footer from Senegal on the 2010 team who was so hilariously bad in his few minutes it was comical.
Ike could also be on there for honorable mention but he's like Koby in that he's still here.
McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
Quote from: BLM on December 22, 2020, 06:37:22 AM
McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
Which is a D1 school.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don't remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90's legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
Faisal Abraham- one of my all time MU favorites. Strong rebounder and paint defender. He was a man underneath. A really nice and humble guy too. Remember seeing him often at Water St establishments, one in particular that I can't recall the name anymore.
Quote from: BLM on December 22, 2020, 06:37:22 AM
McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
My bad thought it was knees knew it was TN Tech thought that was d2
Agreed on Faisal Abraham. My favorite FA story. At MU - UL game at BC in '97 when FA is fouled and goes to the line. Buddy who's a UL fan asks me how good a FT shooter he is. My comment - 1 out of 2 is a bonus. He did bank one in and missed the 2nd one badly. But a fantastic defender, shot blocker, rebounder and enforcer.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 22, 2020, 06:57:20 AM
Faisal Abraham- one of my all time MU favorites. Strong rebounder and paint defender. He was a man underneath. A really nice and humble guy too. Remember seeing him often at Water St establishments, one in particular that I can't recall the name anymore.
He'd come down to the Rec Center and play pick-up. Running into him on a screen was like running into a brick wall. He's still one of MU's all-time shot block leaders.
Congratulations to Sacar signing with a team in the top German League
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1412893096451379205
Also congrats to Swaggy Du signing with Yoast United in the Netherlands League
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/Germany/Nuernberg-Falcons-BC/299813
Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2020, 12:32:04 PM
He'd come down to the Rec Center and play pick-up. Running into him on a screen was like running into a brick wall. He's still one of MU's all-time shot block leaders.
Faisal certainly didn't skip arm day.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/marquette-golden-eagles-faisal-abraham-and-cincinnati-bearcats-davis-picture-id110312113?s=2048x2048)
Burton is older than I thought.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Mex league so so...
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Teammates mad cuz he won't slap cinco!
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Stats leaderboard wasn't quite the "let's remember some guys" trip I was hoping it would be - Reyshawn Terry, Samardo Samuels, Tony Mitchell were the names that jumped out.
Jumped out of where exactly?
This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor. How many scholarship players have we had who did not play in the NBA / G League / Overseas for a few years? Matt Heldt seems to be the only one.
Quote from: The Lens on October 13, 2021, 09:20:42 AM
This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor.
I guess if you want to have your school lose accreditation, that's a great idea. Otherwise, it's not.
Quote from: The Lens on October 13, 2021, 09:20:42 AM
This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor. How many scholarship players have we had who did not play in the NBA / G League / Overseas for a few years? Matt Heldt seems to be the only one.
Michigan State used to have a Phys Ed major many years ago. I don't know if they still have it.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2021, 09:22:16 AM
I guess if you want to have your school lose accreditation, that's a great idea. Otherwise, it's not.
I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
Quote from: The Lens on October 13, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
What you are advocating is a job skills program - not an academic course of study.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 13, 2021, 11:34:03 AM
What you are advocating is a job skills program - not an academic course of study.
Maybe it could be part of sports management specialty in the College of Business.
Quote from: The Lens on October 13, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
Most schools that do have Phys Ed majors house them within their schools of Education.
Quote from: warriorchick on October 13, 2021, 03:50:11 PM
Maybe it could be part of sports management specialty in the College of Business.
There are a lot of schools adding graduate and undergraduate programs in Sports Administation and Sports Management. Business is the perfect place to put it. MU should have one in conjunction with the Sports Law program at MULS.
It's funny to me that advocating to help 12 students who drive millions of dollars of exposure, marketing and revenue for your University be prepared for success in their post University life could hurt your University's academic standing.
Quote from: The Lens on October 14, 2021, 09:57:07 AM
It's funny to me that advocating to help 12 students who drive millions of dollars of exposure, marketing and revenue for your University be prepared for success in their post University life could hurt your University's academic standing.
How much did UNC's joke of an African American Studies program hurt its academic standing?
At least we could be reasonably confident that MU would make a Sports Management program a legitimate course of study.
Sacar playing well
https://mobile.twitter.com/tripledoublesm/status/1446943502181576714
Quote from: warriorchick on October 14, 2021, 12:19:55 PM
How much did UNC's joke of an African American Studies program hurt its academic standing?
At least we could be reasonably confident that MU would make a Sports Management program a legitimate course of study.
African American Studies is not 'a joke' my friend... It's as legitimate to some as any other studies you can elect to take.
What do you mean?
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 19, 2021, 12:51:32 AM
African American Studies is not 'a joke' my friend... It's as legitimate to some as any other studies you can elect to take.
What do you mean?
She didn't say African American studies is a joke. She said the one at UNC was a joke. There was a several year investigation that found that most of the classes were faked so that athletes could pass easily
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 19, 2021, 06:33:40 AM
She didn't say African American studies is a joke. She said the one at UNC was a joke. There was a several year investigation that found that most of the classes were faked so that athletes could pass easily
And UNC's defense was that it was an accreditation issue and that the NCAA shouldn't bother itself with athlete academic cheating.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 19, 2021, 08:53:15 AM
And UNC's defense was that it was an accreditation issue and that the NCAA shouldn't bother itself with athlete academic cheating.
And the NCAA agreed, saying it was out of their purview.
Never mind that they have a "lack of institutional control" way of punishing such blatant academic fraud -- which IMHO is a far worse kind of cheating than slipping an athlete some $$ from boosters.
They simply punted. What a joke.
Vander continuing his hot ways in Mexican League. After 18 games leading the league in scoring at 22.1. Also shooting 52.2% on 3s. Making 78.9 percent of his free throws , which have been a problem in the past for him. 4.17 assist and 4.11 Rebounds.
Delighted for Vander's success so far this year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 20, 2021, 09:00:48 PM
Vander continuing his hot ways in Mexican League. After 18 games leading the league in scoring at 22.1. Also shooting 52.2% on 3s. Making 78.9 percent of his free throws , which have been a problem in the past for him. 4.17 assist and 4.11 Rebounds.
Delighted for Vander's success so far this year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Reading through that history of signing and cuts. Sure does infer that he burnt a lot of bridges. At 29 his window may have closed.
In Mexico they call him Vander Azul.
Quote from: burger on October 21, 2021, 12:44:04 PM
Reading through that history of signing and cuts. Sure does infer that he burnt a lot of bridges. At 29 his window may have closed.
I'm not sure he burnt a lot of bridges. I think he's a good player who is not a good enough player to be in the NBA. Many of those guys go to Europe, but Vander stayed in the G-League hoping for a call-up. This led to some Summer League invites.
He's basically a AAAA player in baseball.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 21, 2021, 02:45:25 PM
I'm not sure he burnt a lot of bridges. I think he's a good player who is not a good enough player to be in the NBA. Many of those guys go to Europe, but Vander stayed in the G-League hoping for a call-up. This led to some Summer League invites.
He's basically a AAAA player in baseball.
Italian Cup MVP (2018) Italian Cup champion (2018) NBA D-League MVP (2017) 2× All-NBA D-League First Team (2016, 2017) 3× NBA D-League All-Star (2015–2017)
He was D League MVP in 2017, two time first team, and got a cup of tea in the NBA.
That's like high triple A ready to make a September roster in baseball, at least at that time.
Sure it's 3 years later and now he's likely a double A player sticking with the baseball analogy (I guess I don't really understand the AAAA...)
Juan Toscano Anderson was another alum Mexican League standout that got a shot and is making the most of it in the NBA, so crazier things have happened
Quote from: DoctorV on October 21, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
Sure it's 3 years later and now he's likely a double A player sticking with the baseball analogy (I guess I don't really understand the AAAA...)
AAAA is kind of the parlance for guys that bounce between AAA and the majors but can't stick. Too good to be just AAA guys but not good enough to be MLB regulars. That's kind of been Vander's peak.
It's really unfortunate that he seems to have some issues (homesick, culture shock, etc...) with playing in Europe. Cause he's shown he could be excellent there. He doesn't have NBA size, but he has decent size for the 2 and he can score prolifically. He could have had a really nice career in not just Europe, but the Euroleague. He still has time, but I don't think it's in the cards for him.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 10, 2020, 05:32:29 PM
One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
Nick Fazekas almost came to Marquette if I remember correctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoWmqBvoCw
It is sort of a foreign league.
DJO got picked up by Le Mans in the French A League . He is coming off a bad Achilles injury in March, so don't know how much of his explosiveness is going to be there at this point in his recovery . He did log 17 minutes with 3 assists and 1 point in his first game , so he is out there trying.
Vander was the Mexican League MVP this year. Averaged 21.7 ppg
https://twitter.com/PipuCuore/status/1455103617736876038/photo/1
Sacar absolutely tearing up the German A League
Had a stint last year in the G League
A great representative of MU
https://mobile.twitter.com/sacar_anim15
Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2022, 08:54:27 PM
Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
Love how the article points out that while he is talented, he is only 1.8 meters tall.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 16, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Love how the article points out that while he is talented, he is only 1.8 meters tall.
1.8 Meter Markus Howard new team , Baskonia, is set to play in 2022-23 in The EuroLeague , which is the highest level overseas .
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/euroleague/standings/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2022, 08:54:27 PM
Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
This is awesome for Markus. Arguably the best non-NBA league, and EuroLeague is the cream of the crop of international basketball. He's gonna have a ton of visibility there. His best chance to stay on NBA radars while making really good money. Mike James, arguably the top American scoring guard in Europe the last 7-8 years, played for Baskonia for a few seasons shortly before getting his NBA looks.
I thought he could be a Shane Larkin type export. Here's his chance. Baskonia's leading scorer left in the offseason so points are there.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2022, 04:40:24 PM
This is awesome for Markus. Arguably the best non-NBA league, and EuroLeague is the cream of the crop of international basketball. He's gonna have a ton of visibility there. His best chance to stay on NBA radars while making really good money. Mike James, arguably the top American scoring guard in Europe the last 7-8 years, played for Baskonia for a few seasons shortly before getting his NBA looks.
I thought he could be a Shane Larkin type export. Here's his chance. Baskonia's leading scorer left in the offseason so points are there.
Lots of good perspective there, Wags. Thanks.
how much will he make a yr
Looking forward to him putting a whoopin' on Henry's team.
I had to laugh at the first response to this tweet (translation by google): "A brutal scorer, very good defender, I have never seen him play in my life"
https://twitter.com/baskonia/status/1548609103387312130?s=21
Vander and DJO taking time off from their Foreign pursuits to train for TBT. I think Jamil is still playing in Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1547376470296756224
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
Vander and DJO taking time off from their Foreign pursuits to train for TBT. I think Jamil is still playing in Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1547376470296756224
Jamil's team gowne a week ago down here
Highlights for Jamil from his Puerto Rican season. Seems like the home fans got revved up when he made solid plays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTDKNab4EKc
Quote from: Johnny B on July 16, 2022, 07:48:19 PM
how much will he make a yr
Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 22, 2022, 08:55:38 PM
Highlights for Jamil from his Puerto Rican season. Seems like the home fans got revved up when he made solid plays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTDKNab4EKc
10 minutes of fade away jump shots.
He has evolved to the "old man" game.
Not sure he could jump over the Peoria telephone book.
Quote from: Goatherder on July 22, 2022, 09:48:17 PM
Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
jewelry, cars AND women? Dang it
Quote from: Goatherder on July 22, 2022, 09:48:17 PM
Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
With all due respect, nobody is choosing to stay there over the NBA. The NBA minimum is basically $2MM. There are less than 10 guys making that in Europe. The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years
Quote from: JWags85 on July 23, 2022, 04:36:12 PM
With all due respect, nobody is choosing to stay there over the NBA. The NBA minimum is basically $2MM. There are less than 10 guys making that in Europe. The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years
Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2022, 04:49:46 AM
Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
Some clarification needed here. Travis was at the point of his NBA career where he had no contract and was looking at the life of a player hoping to catch on mid season with 10 day contracts . He left while he had enough value to get to a strong European team and make consistent money (less than NBA), rather than be a vagabond NBA with no consistent job.
Henry Ellenson has done that exact same thing .
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2022, 04:49:46 AM
Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
I think his exception statement includes Travis: "The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years"
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 26, 2022, 07:00:32 AM
Some clarification needed here. Travis was at the point of his NBA career where he had no contract and was looking at the life of a player hoping to catch on mid season with 10 day contracts . He left while he had enough value to get to a strong European team and make consistent money (less than NBA), rather than be a vagabond NBA with no consistent job.
Henry Ellenson has done that exact same thing .
Correct. Love Travis, but he didn't "choose" star in Europe. It was his only choice to keep playing. He was getting no playing time and his NBA options the next year would have been bleak. And he joined a recently promoted team in Italy, not a Euroleague power. He got paid well I'm sure, but it was nowhere near NBA money.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on July 26, 2022, 08:22:29 AM
I think his exception statement includes Travis: "The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years"
Yea, my point was guys in their prime, who can sign with an NBA team, aren't choosing to stay in Europe. If your option is hoping for a 1 year deal or staying with your Euroleague club, then maybe you stay in Europe. Look at Mike James who I spoke of. Absolute star in Europe, got out of his deal with CSKA Moscow to chase NBA. Signed a couple of 10 days with the Nets. Was just ok. Now he's back in Europe. That wasn't a "choice" so much as he wasn't getting good NBA looks after that stint.
Going back to old reports, it looks like Travis had the option of being the third point guard for Miami, Cleveland, and possibly Milwaukee, but decided to go overseas instead. He was only 28, so it's not like he was washed. He did deal with an injury, but he got some minutes for Portland in the playoffs in 2010 so there's no reason to think he couldn't have gone back to being an end of the bench guy had he wanted to.
Is that all that different from Markus now? Sure, Markus is 23, but his options are probably end of an NBA bench or going overseas. I'm guessing they aren't alone in choosing relative European certainty over NBA uncertainty.
Wasn't the whole reason that the Overseas Elite TBT team was so dominant for a few years because they had 2-3 guys that had NBA end of bench offers, but they actually wanted to play significant minutes? I'm not sure how the compensation packages compared, but it's the same mindset that a lot of collegiate athletes have dropping down a level in competition in order to be the BMOC, i.e. Sandy Cohen.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2022, 12:50:13 PM
Going back to old reports, it looks like Travis had the option of being the third point guard for Miami, Cleveland, and possibly Milwaukee, but decided to go overseas instead. He was only 28, so it's not like he was washed. He did deal with an injury, but he got some minutes for Portland in the playoffs in 2010 so there's no reason to think he couldn't have gone back to being an end of the bench guy had he wanted to.
Is that all that different from Markus now? Sure, Markus is 23, but his options are probably end of an NBA bench or going overseas. I'm guessing they aren't alone in choosing relative European certainty over NBA uncertainty.
But he was washed in terms of NBA potential. He got his NBA chance, he was in his late 20s, he reached his NBA peak prior and there was a greater chance of him being cut/bouncing on 10 days then playing even 3-4 more years as an end of the bench guy. He played a combined 6 min in 2 playoff games that the Blazers lost by 20 and 30 points. The literal least amount of minutes on the entire team. His NBA journey was done.
Markus is different because his choice is G League or playing high level in Europe. At 23, both are trying to get back on the NBA radar, but the latter offers a bigger payday. And Markus is already going to a higher level than Travis was playing at. Plenty of guys played in Europe in their early/mid 20s and got back on the NBA radar before sticking. Pat Beverly, PJ Tucker, Darius Miller, etc...
But back to the original point, nobody, even European guys, anywhere close to their prime are staying in Europe versus being even Jordan Nwora/Jevon Carter.
Brendan Bailey playing well in Sweden
https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2 (https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2)
Good for Brendan. I saw the G league wasn't working out for him. Happy he found a decent spot.
Good for BB. I wish he had come back for another year.
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 10, 2022, 01:07:38 PM
Brendan Bailey playing well in Sweden
https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2 (https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2)
Nice! Oh what could have been eh'
Koby McEwan getting a shout-out in the same article
Modest results for Markus in Europe so far . Those leagues are tougher than many realize .
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Markus-Howard/Spain/Bitci-Baskonia-Vitoria/337691
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2022, 02:00:37 PM
Good for BB. I wish he had come back for another year.
Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
Quote from: MU82 on October 11, 2022, 04:08:07 PM
Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
I wouldn't be shocked if NIL was around, Bailey would have stayed. I think he wanted to go out and make money. I believe he had a child around that time too.
Quote from: MU82 on October 11, 2022, 04:08:07 PM
Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
He was going to become a father in less than a year, could have had something to to do with.
Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
Quote from: MU82 on October 11, 2022, 07:28:11 PM
Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
I don't think it was mentioned here but was on his Instagram. I followed him, I'm a creepy old man
Quote from: MU82 on October 11, 2022, 07:28:11 PM
Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
First time he posted about it
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIELt7ApDg8/?igshid=NDc0ODY0MjQ=
Nice.
https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 15, 2022, 08:02:04 AM
https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
Chucker
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 15, 2022, 08:02:04 AM
https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
Nice to see Markus with a break out game. Hope he keeps up the momentum .
Seems like he was having a lot of fun .
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 15, 2022, 08:02:04 AM
https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
I'd be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2022, 08:28:27 AM
I'd be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 15, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
Yes, how long will I beat that dead horse?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 15, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
Speaking of beating a dead horse! I wonder if in 20 years you'll still be whipping this old gray mare.
Anyhoo ...
Sam had about the same stats at Virginia that he had at Marquette, and he completed his 0-for-the-NCAAT history with a 4-for-16 choke-a-thon as UVa's "chucker" vs. the mighty Ohio Bobcats. After escaping the evil Markus/Wojo combo to play under a Hall of Fame coach, Joey has regressed by miles. Turns out, his best role as a college basketball player was as one of Markus' wingmen.
And anyhoo ...
Great to see Marquette's all-time scoring leader and first-team All-American doing well. That was an amazing shot, and I thank the Wiz for providing the video. I do wish Markus had hit similar shots against Seton Hall and St. John's, though.
Legend has it that the Hausers were told by coaches at other programs that the other coaches would have handled the situation the same way.
Not me. I would have thrown the Hausers off the team for insubordination.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 15, 2022, 09:23:40 AMHow long do you plan on beating this dead horse?
Instead of all the text, could've just said "is someone beating a dead horse? Hold my beer!"
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 15, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid.
Yeah, that's not what he is doing.
Quote from: tower912 on October 15, 2022, 10:58:23 AM
Legend has it that the Hausers were told by coaches at other programs that the other coaches would have handled the situation the same way.
Not me. I would have thrown the Hausers off the team for insubordination.
I thought there was an article somewhere with a quote from either one of the Hausers or from one of their new coaches saying exactly that. Thought it was Tony Bennett saying he asked Sam what happened and told him if he wasn't okay with that then maybe he needs to think if this is really the place he wants to be because he would've handled it the same way.
Quote from: TSmith34 on October 15, 2022, 11:02:26 AM
Yeah, that's not what he is doing.
I'm aware Rico is taking shots at 4ever...yet this is probably about the 50th time I've read the same "joke." Time for some new material.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 15, 2022, 11:36:00 AM
I thought there was an article somewhere with a quote from either one of the Hausers or from one of their new coaches saying exactly that. Thought it was Tony Bennett saying he asked Sam what happened and told him if he wasn't okay with that then maybe he needs to think if this is really the place he wants to be because he would've handled it the same way.
I look forward to reading the alleged article. Pretty sure this is some Scoop fiction.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 15, 2022, 11:48:48 AM
I'm aware Rico is taking shots at 4ever...yet this is probably about the 50th time I've read the same "joke." Time for some new material.
I've found both boards are much more readable if you have Rico on ignore
Quote from: PBRme on October 15, 2022, 11:56:24 AM
I've found both boards are much more readable if you have Rico on ignore
I'm still waiting for the new board
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2022, 04:00:30 PM
I'm still waiting for the new board
https://www.mupoop.com/
Almost 14 months since last post.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 15, 2022, 04:13:00 PM
https://www.mupoop.com/
Almost 14 months since last post.
That's Chicos board. I'm waiting for the other one. Dodds probably stopping them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2022, 04:21:58 PM
That's Chicos board. I'm waiting for the other one. Dodds probably stopping them
The Whiteboard?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2022, 08:28:27 AM
I'd be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on October 15, 2022, 08:27:44 PM
not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
Racist guy cries about racism against white people. Excellent.
Quote from: WithoutBias on October 15, 2022, 08:39:48 PM
Racist guy cries about racism against white people. Excellent.
Some people are always victims. Sad!
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on October 15, 2022, 08:27:44 PM
not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
You're a parody of a human being, not sarcasm.
Vander had another solid season with the same team in The Mexican League. That league starts in the summer and finishes in October. Vander can pick up another foreign team this season or G League as a result of the way the schedule works .
Here are some highlights
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj0n-eZPPxh/?hl=en
Duane playing in Italian League this year . Moving up the pecking order in Europe
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Markus had himself a day.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 11, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
Markus had himself a day.
Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Quote from: warriorchick on December 11, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Still chucking
With perfect form making the net snap.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 11, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Outstanding stuff, chick. Thanks for posting. Love the announcer!
"Markus Howard ... BING BANG BOOM!"
Henry getting steady playing time in Spain
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
Jamil Found a team in Lithuania this year
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Jamil-Wilson/189158
Quote from: warriorchick on December 11, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Dude is unreal. Never ceases to amaze me.
Pound for pound one of the best shooters to ever lace em up.
As Marquette fans having him and Steve Novak come through the program in the last 20 years is special.
If it weren't for the COVID shutdown, assuming normal production in The BEast tournament game and the NCAA tourney game, top 20 scorer in NCAA history.
We won't see his like again.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2023, 11:17:14 AM
If it weren't for the COVID shutdown, assuming normal production in The BEast tournament game and the NCAA tourney game, top 20 scorer in NCAA history.
We won't see his like again.
And still, on a pure PPG basis, he's top 5 all time for major conference players. And who is he behind? Pistol Pete, Big O, Elvin Hayes, and Otis Birdsong, while basically tied with Allan Houston. Just remarkable considering his competition all 4 years
Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Quote from: warriorchick on January 08, 2023, 10:26:25 PM
Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Helluva shot. Not quite a game winner but a dagger
Quote from: warriorchick on January 08, 2023, 10:26:25 PM
Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Chucker
Quote from: warriorchick on January 08, 2023, 10:26:25 PM
Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Perfect environment for Markus. Smile on his face is good to see.
Gray contrasting color courts are awesome. Would love to see that in the Fiserv.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 09, 2023, 07:53:16 AM
Perfect environment for Markus. Smile on his face is good to see.
He can make a lot of money and have a lot of fun.
What does happen fairly often for U.S. men and women playing basketball overseas is that eventually some just feel too homesick and isolated. But not all, obviously. Some love it and even make a home for themselves there.
I wish our all-time scoring leader, first-team All-American and great ambassador nothing but success.
Yep, hope he continues to have tons of success and becomes a folk hero of sorts in the highest level of Euroball, which he's already on his way to.
Selfishly, I really wish Olympiakos in Greece would sign him.
Something tells me that he's got a Jeremy Lin type moment, or Steve Novak etc, in the NBA in his future, and hopefully he can stick for several years.
Quote from: Retire0 on January 09, 2023, 08:55:43 AM
Gray contrasting color courts are awesome. Would love to see that in the Fiserv.
Please, no
Quote from: DoctorV on January 09, 2023, 09:11:43 AM
Yep, hope he continues to have tons of success and becomes a folk hero of sorts in the highest level of Euroball, which he's already on his way to.
Selfishly, I really wish Olympiakos in Greece would sign him.
Something tells me that he's got a Jeremy Lin type moment, or Steve Novak etc, in the NBA in his future, and hopefully he can stick for several years.
100% Doctor V on his NBA moment coming. There are only a handful of people on the planet that can shoot like Markus. He would be a perfect microwave off an NBA bench. I don't care how short he is. The NBA GM who takes his head out of his ass first is going to be very happy they did.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 09, 2023, 09:18:23 AM
100% Doctor V on his NBA moment coming. There are only a handful of people on the planet that can shoot like Markus. He would be a perfect microwave off an NBA bench. I don't care how short he is. The NBA GM who takes his head out of his ass first is going to be very happy they did.
But it matters how short he is. Just did a quick look at the all NBA roster, and there are two guys in the entire league right now under six feet. Howard played 60+ games in the league so it's not as though he is a complete unknown. He will get his chance in the future, but it is completely understandable why NBA GMs are skeptical.
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
He can make a lot of money and have a lot of fun.
What does happen fairly often for U.S. men and women playing basketball overseas is that eventually some just feel too homesick and isolated. But not all, obviously. Some love it and even make a home for themselves there.
Lot easier to overcome that when you're in Markus' position making a nice 6 figures, living/playing in a mid sized Western European city in an NBA sized arena, etc... Same for someone like Fischer. I think the scenarios you mention happen with guys in the second and third tier leagues who are playing in more off the beaten path areas for much lower salaries and amenities. Big difference between playing in a French/Spanish/Greek city in front of 10K fans than playing in Lithuania/Georgia/Macedonia for a team in a town of 30K people on a court with volleyball/handball lines on it for $4-5K a month.
Vander now playing in Qatar. I think he is on the same team that Dominic James was on for a few years.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Vander_Blue/197724
Seems like Vander has a good program going now. Plays the Mexican Season which starts in the late summer and then when it is finished in October, Vander picks up a second team somewhere in the world.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
But it matters how short he is. Just did a quick look at the all NBA roster, and there are two guys in the entire league right now under six feet. Howard played 60+ games in the league so it's not as though he is a complete unknown. He will get his chance in the future, but it is completely understandable why NBA GMs are skeptical.
Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don't think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 07, 2023, 11:10:27 AM
Dude is unreal. Never ceases to amaze me.
Pound for pound one of the best shooters to ever lace em up.
As Marquette fans having him and Steve Novak come through the program in the last 20 years is special.
It would be interesting to see how he would fit in on a Shaka coached team that stresses defensive accountability and playing for each other.
I know I'm in the minority here...but I didn't care for his style of play. Maybe that was Wojo and/or the talent we had...but he's not even in the same discussion as a Travis Diener IMHO.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 09, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don't think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
Don't see it...he's not a 3 and D guy...he's not capable of finishing at the rim...as a result isn't going to create for others. The Euro clips show him playing off the ball...
Quote from: avid1010 on January 09, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Don't see it...he's not a 3 and D guy...he's not capable of finishing at the rim...as a result isn't going to create for others. The Euro clips show him playing off the ball...
I wouldn't say Markus isn't capable of finishing at the rim. He was very capable in college. I didn't watch him enough in the pros but he shot 53.7% from 2 in his first year (35.5 in his second year).
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 09, 2023, 09:59:08 AM
Vander now playing in Qatar. I think he is on the same team that Dominic James was on for a few years.
Hope he's not rockin any gear w a rainbow on it hey
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 09, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don't think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
Markus got plenty of leash and PT in Denver, and I actually think Malone quite liked him. The problem was they had plenty of guard depth, young guard depth, and there just wasn't PT for trying to take a flier on an undersized 2G developing. It just wasn't a good roster situation for him.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 09, 2023, 10:33:24 AM
I wouldn't say Markus isn't capable of finishing at the rim. He was very capable in college. I didn't watch him enough in the pros but he shot 53.7% from 2 in his first year (35.5 in his second year).
Well if he can finish at the rim, and we all agree he's a lights out shooter, this NBA thing should be easy.
The easy out for me on this argument...the NBA is pretty good at finding and developing talent. He didn't stick for a reason...if Denver wasn't a great fit...we really believe no other teams realized this and scooped him up?
I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that's been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 09, 2023, 10:45:38 AM
I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that's been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
This describes many NBA teams. There is one an hour and a half south of Milwaukee who could use him as well. NBA GMs are overthinking this or overlooking this.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 09, 2023, 10:42:59 AM
Well if he can finish at the rim, and we all agree he's a lights out shooter, this NBA thing should be easy.
Well no, defense is still a thing
Quote from: avid1010 on January 09, 2023, 10:42:59 AM
The easy out for me on this argument...the NBA is pretty good at finding and developing talent. He didn't stick for a reason...if Denver wasn't a great fit...we really believe no other teams realized this and scooped him up?
IMHO Markus' ceiling is an NBA bench player...and he's not there yet. I don't think NBA teams are in the business of taking young projects whose ceilings are that low. I think NBA teams are happy to sign a guy who is already good enough to play 15-20 minutes off the bench even if he'll never be more than that. They are less likely to sign a guy who may be good enough to play 15-20 minutes off the bench after some development. It's better business to give those spots to young guys with more upside.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 09:48:13 AM
Lot easier to overcome that when you're in Markus' position making a nice 6 figures, living/playing in a mid sized Western European city in an NBA sized arena, etc... Same for someone like Fischer. I think the scenarios you mention happen with guys in the second and third tier leagues who are playing in more off the beaten path areas for much lower salaries and amenities. Big difference between playing in a French/Spanish/Greek city in front of 10K fans than playing in Lithuania/Georgia/Macedonia for a team in a town of 30K people on a court with volleyball/handball lines on it for $4-5K a month.
Good points, Wags.
5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on January 09, 2023, 09:15:23 AM
Please, no
I agree. I like a little creativity with court design, but some teams have gone a little too far. TCU's, for example. They ought to broadcast a seizure warning before they show it on TV
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2023, 12:28:44 PM
5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
And he isn't really 5'11" either.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 09, 2023, 10:45:38 AM
I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that's been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
Markus Howard's career NBA 3FG%: 34.1
Current Bucks with a better 3FG% this year: Green, Lopez, Allen, Carter, Nwora, Holiday.
And there are 10 players with a higher EFG than his career average.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 09, 2023, 11:00:02 AM
This describes many NBA teams. There is one an hour and a half south of Milwaukee who could use him as well. NBA GMs are overthinking this or overlooking this.
C'mon... Look I know we love our Warriors, but if the take is "the NBA GMs don't know what they are doing," that's a pretty wild statement.
As I said, he will get another shot. But you can't overlook his size.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 09, 2023, 10:45:38 AM
I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that's been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
If Bud won't play Nwora there's no way he'd play Howard.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 09, 2023, 12:30:33 PM
And he isn't really 5'11" either.
I know. You would think Muggsy would be more of a fan.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2023, 12:34:33 PM
Markus Howard's career NBA 3FG%: 34.1
Current Bucks with a better 3FG% this year: Green, Lopez, Allen, Carter, Nwora, Holiday.
And there are 10 players with a higher EFG than his career average.
So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 01:07:25 PM
So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Nice data.
Maybe they can keep him on a side court with a trainer chucking up 3s until he's ready to come in in the last minute so he's hot fire
Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 01:07:25 PM
So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Thanks for the data. If Howard gets a shot he likely will be one of the five best three point shooters in the league let alone on a single team. If he plays 3 minutes at the end of a game you will be able to list average three point shooters on the same team in the same breath as him. I get the height thing. He is so elite as a shooter though I would think someone would give him a shot. I hope he gets a real chance. If I'm proven wrong, I'm ok with that.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 01:07:25 PM
So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Really? I've been told by Scoopers that a player should be able to perform immediately upon insertion into a game and if they don't they should be benched. Further, a player who gets 2-3 minute stints of action should be able to produce at a high level.
Absolutely love that Shaka rarely, if ever, has yanked a guy 2-3 minutes after inserting him. Maybe its happened to Ben Gold a time or two, but Shaka gets it.
As for Markus, I think he's worthy of another shot in the NBA and would like to see him on the Bucks. And I agree that he needs to see 20 minutes per game consistently to see what he can do. Unfortunately, that opportunity doesn't exist on a contending team. So, better off for him to get picked up by a bottom feeder and see what he can do.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 09, 2023, 12:29:47 PM
I agree. I like a little creativity with court design, but some teams have gone a little too far. TCU's, for example. They ought to broadcast a seizure warning before they show it on TV
Oregon: we have the ugliest most distracting court!
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/633239/2011-january-13-23-26-46.jpeg.pagespeed.ce.pid5sazvmr_medium.jpg)
TCU: hold my beer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 09, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Oregon: we have the ugliest most distracting court!
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/633239/2011-january-13-23-26-46.jpeg.pagespeed.ce.pid5sazvmr_medium.jpg)
TCU: hold my beer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
Northern Illinois has to be up there
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 09, 2023, 01:41:10 PM
Really? I've been told by Scoopers that a player should be able to perform immediately upon insertion into a game and if they don't they should be benched. Further, a player who gets 2-3 minute stints of action should be able to produce at a high level.
Absolutely love that Shaka rarely, if ever, has yanked a guy 2-3 minutes after inserting him. Maybe its happened to Ben Gold a time or two, but Shaka gets it.
I like that Shaka lets guys get in the flow, too, though he probably has a quicker hook at times than you think.
For example, Sean Jones entered the Providence game at the 16:00 mark of the second half, committed a foul, was out of position on another play, and was sat down at the 14:54 mark.
Then, after that 1 minute, 6 second stretch, Jones didn't play again until Shaka put him in with 4 seconds left in regulation -- and asked him to "produce at a high level" with the game on the line.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 09, 2023, 04:32:42 PM
Northern Illinois has to be up there
Seriously, if we can't have the bumblebee uniforms, then similar rules need to apply to courts.
Also, it's only a matter of time before someone has a center court logo that touches the 3-point line on each end of the court. You heard it here first.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2023, 12:28:44 PM
5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
Yes. Doing him the courtesy of not calling him a liar.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 09, 2023, 06:13:03 PM
Seriously, if we can't have the bumblebee uniforms, then similar rules need to apply to courts.
Also, it's only a matter of time before someone has a center court logo that touches the 3-point line on each end of the court. You heard it here first.
Agree totally. I would like to see solid color in the paint-no designs. Rest of court-confine designs to specific portion of the court designated. Then a team could have whatever design they want, but only in the designated areas. Trying to regulate the allowable designs themselves is much more difficult than that of unis.
And then there's PC's court. They play 10 conference games and a slew of non-cons there, so they have experience with the watery court. The fact that there is not another large arena in Providence should not be accepted as an excuse. That should be
their problem, not the rest of us. Every year we hear that they have new equipment and have solved the problem. Every year they fail. Let them play on their on-campus court.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 09, 2023, 08:33:59 PM
Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
Howard was measured at 5 11 at the draft combine.
If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
I'm 5'11" without shoes and got a picture with Markus. I was no taller than him. Didn't notice his shoes but I doubt he was in platform shoes.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 09, 2023, 09:38:33 PM
If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
Show us the stats. That's pretty interesting.
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2023, 05:38:32 PM
I like that Shaka lets guys get in the flow, too, though he probably has a quicker hook at times than you think.
For example, Sean Jones entered the Providence game at the 16:00 mark of the second half, committed a foul, was out of position on another play, and was sat down at the 14:54 mark.
Then, after that 1 minute, 6 second stretch, Jones didn't play again until Shaka put him in with 4 seconds left in regulation -- and asked him to "produce at a high level" with the game on the line.
Yup. Guys get yanked quickly when they come in and make dumb mistakes. Can't afford to let second string players get in the flow if that process means turning the ball over in short order.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 09, 2023, 08:33:59 PM
Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
Yep. So is Sean Jones.
Measured 5'9.5" barefoot, 5'11" with shoes. 6'0.25" wingspan. Aka too little.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 09, 2023, 10:07:39 PM
Show us the stats. That's pretty interesting.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 09, 2023, 11:12:51 PM
Measured 5'9.5" barefoot, 5'11" with shoes. 6'0.25" wingspan. Aka too little.
Thank goodness he gets to wear shoes when he plays or they wouldn't let him on the court in Europe, either!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 09, 2023, 09:01:29 PM
Agree totally. I would like to see solid color in the paint-no designs. Rest of court-confine designs to specific portion of the court designated. Then a team could have whatever design they want, but only in the designated areas. Trying to regulate the allowable designs themselves is much more difficult than that of unis.
How boring.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 10, 2023, 12:11:39 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
Thank you.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 10, 2023, 12:11:39 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
A PER over 20 is pretty good
Quote from: wadesworld on January 09, 2023, 11:12:51 PM
Measured 5'9.5" barefoot, 5'11" with shoes. 6'0.25" wingspan. Aka too little.
Markus has 4 inches of hair too. So 6'2.5" barefoot with hair, 6'3" with shoes and hair.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 10, 2023, 09:40:39 AM
A PER over 20 is pretty good
Yea, his PER would currently be top 25 in the NBA. And his DRTG isn't great, but its not all that far off the NBA average.
Swaggy Du is having an excellent season in the Italian League. He has been steadily working his way up the pecking order of the European leagues .
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 09, 2023, 09:38:33 PM
If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
I'm curious why you think a player that rarely turns it over, has a 113+ ORtg, shoots 46% from three with over 60 eFG%, and does it at crazy usage levels doesn't help his team on offense.
The defensive numbers are hard to evaluate without seeing full team numbers or long term on/off splits, but the advanced stats on offense definitely do not show what you say they show.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 10, 2023, 10:46:51 AM
All courts should look like Hoosiers.
TCU's court is awesome on television.
Yes it is.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 09, 2023, 09:49:00 PM
I'm 5'11" without shoes and got a picture with Markus. I was no taller than him. Didn't notice his shoes but I doubt he was in platform shoes.
Three possibilities:
A) You don't know your own height.
B) You're mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams "C".
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2023, 02:47:10 PM
Three possibilities:
A) You don't know your own height.
B) You're mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams "C".
Markus did measure 5'11" in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2023, 02:47:10 PM
Three possibilities:
A) You don't know your own height.
B) You're mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams "C".
Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 14, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Markus did measure 5'11" in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
Do they check for lifts?
Markus out for a bit
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1447683/baskonia-rules-out-markus-howard-versus-partizan-euroleague/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 03:14:53 PM
Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
LOL. I'm not on Scoop 16 hours a day like you. I don't have alerts so I can stalk posters and respond immediately like you. Sometimes I have to go back two or three days to get caught up. When I read something for the first time, sometimes I reply. That OK with you, fluffy little one?
(Rhetorical question, please don't waste anyone's time with an inane, trying desperately to be clever reply)
Want to know pathetic? The fact that MU SCOOP is the center of your universe. Good God.
Oh, and no way MH is that tall (5'11" without shoes).
Quote from: wadesworld on January 14, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
Markus did measure 5'11" in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
Bias said 5'11" in bare feet
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
LOL. I'm not on Scoop 16 hours a day like you. I don't have alerts so I can stalk posters and respond immediately like you. Sometimes I have to go back two or three days to get caught up. When I read something for the first time, sometimes I reply. That OK with you, fluffy little one?
(Rhetorical question, please don't waste anyone's time with an inane, trying desperately to be clever reply)
Want to know pathetic? The fact that MU SCOOP is the center of your universe. Good God.
Oh, and no way MH is that tall (5'11" without shoes).
You're lying.
You responded to a post from January 9th. Yet somehow you've made 15 posts since withoutbias made his post? Face it, you just wanted to find one of his posts to respond to because you wanted to pile on cause he said something you didn't like.
So dishonest. And transparently so. I mean, you aren't even a clever liar.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 09:35:25 PM
You're lying.
You responded to a post from January 9th. Yet somehow you've made 15 posts since withoutbias made his post? Face it, you just wanted to find one of his posts to respond to because you wanted to pile on cause he said something you didn't like.
So dishonest. And transparently so. I mean, you aren't even a clever liar.
I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I've caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2023, 10:52:28 PM
I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I've caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
what??? you don't have a separate phone hanging from your belt with only scoop on it?? come on man! join the scoop-aholics where it's always "happy hour"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2023, 10:52:28 PM
I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I've caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
You're not even a GOOD liar.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 14, 2023, 08:25:50 PM
Markus out for a bit
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1447683/baskonia-rules-out-markus-howard-versus-partizan-euroleague/
I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
Probably lyin', aina?
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 15, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
Did you know he was 17 years old as a freshman?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 06:40:18 AM
You're not even a GOOD liar.
Of course I'm not. Being GOOD at something requires practice and repetition. Since I'm not a liar at all, there's no way I would become GOOD at it. Thank you for noticing.
You, OTOH, are an EXCELLENT at stalking and inserting yourself into other people's back and forth. Congratulations!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 15, 2023, 09:10:15 AM
Of course I'm not. Being GOOD at something requires practice and repetition. Since I'm not a liar at all, there's no way I would become GOOD at it. Thank you for noticing.
You, OTOH, are an EXCELLENT at stalking and inserting yourself into other people's back and forth. Congratulations!
Yep. I call out liars.
If you want to lie without being called out, lie in a PM. Don't lie on a public message board.
Liar.
Markus is a great representative of the university and the school should be proud he's an alum
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 03:14:53 PM
Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
Oh, and by the way, how is Bias "correct anyway"? He says he (5'11" in bare feet) is the same height as Markus (per Wades and the NBA, 5'11" IN SHOES).
So, just another lie being pushed by the lyin' fluffer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 15, 2023, 10:47:24 AM
Oh, and by the way, how is Bias "correct anyway"? He says he (5'11" in bare feet) is the same height as Markus (per Wades and the NBA, 5'11" IN SHOES).
So, just another lie being pushed by the lyin' fluffer.
I said "even though it looks like he's correct." As opposed to your assertion that bias doesn't know how tall he is. 🙄🙄🙄
Reading. Is. Fundamental.
Man what a good thread.
Davante Gardner with one of the top 3 pointers of the week in B League Intl
https://www.youtube.com/v/LsdVPox7Pao
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 15, 2023, 10:52:53 AM
Man what a good thread.
Davante Gardner with one of the top 3 pointers of the week in B League Intl
https://www.youtube.com/v/LsdVPox7Pao
No D in Avante
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 10:50:30 AM
I said "even though it looks like he's correct." As opposed to your assertion that bias doesn't know how tall he is. 🙄🙄🙄
Reading. Is. Fundamental.
LMAO you guys this is so stupid, please just stop.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 15, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
Pretty sure he's still 17.
DJO has suffered another injury regarding surgery. This is on the heels of him recovering from a torn Achilles. DJO working very hard to come back again. I am rooting for him.
Post from his Instagram below giving Details
kingmedj_1
Verified
This is not a post to feel sorry for me. Just how I'm feeling, maybe somebody feels the same. I suffered a injury that will take some time. And I was just going hang 'em up cuz it requires surgery, mentally I was checked out after fighting to come back from Achilles injury in 7 months from the outside people will never know those days of thinking you can't do it or be the same player but to do it and come back then get hurt again was just too much to fathom. My passion, love, competitiveness that I have and have had for 11 years in my eyes is not like no other. I pride myself on those things and a lot ppl will tell you DJ a dawg, crazy, menace etc. I don't care cuz my objective is to test my craft at the highest everyday and win. I have a handful of hoop friends and reason why is I'm too competitive I don't want to kick it I really want to go to the gym and and see what you got, learn etc. Im not getting up at 530 and ending my day in lifetime and back at my garage lifting weights after midnight. If you love something put your fucking all into it kid and live with the results.Thankful for the ones around me to give me answers just not for me but for Demi. My mother Carolyn and I have not had the best relationship these past two years, we was at the point where we haven't even hug for two years. She gave me a call and said "you are my first born, you are not a quitter, don't worry I got you" and as emotional as am that meant the world. So hug your mom cuz I know Imma make sure I do. Then I looked at Demi and Thought I quit now she will too when she get to that point where she has doubts. It's more her than me and I have to show her quitting isn't a option when your passion and love for it is in it still. I'll be back better than ever mentally, physically. I'm thankful that the big fella know who I am. My circle thank you all too. Final push will be the hardest but it's a test. Mentally, physically, spiritually. I'm ready more than ever.
2w
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1622614254821036033?s=46&t=zlYxruRSgMKOqwZd0xSq7A
Markus setting historical records in the Spanish league, becoming the first player to score 30 points in less than 20 minutes.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 06, 2023, 06:00:46 PM
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1622614254821036033?s=46&t=zlYxruRSgMKOqwZd0xSq7A
Markus setting historical records in the Spanish league, becoming the first player to score 30 points in less than 20 minutes.
Markus playing a lot of games in this league. Had a lot of high scoring games.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Markus-Howard/337691
Markus 8th in scoring in The EuroLeague
https://m.basketnews.com/players/34840-markus-howard.html
Imagine how much higher he would be if he knew ball
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 07:04:23 AM
Markus 8th in scoring in The EuroLeague
https://m.basketnews.com/players/34840-markus-howard.html
If teammates write a letter, will it be translated?
Markus doing Markus things- 30 pts in 22 minutes, beating Ethan Happ's team
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp)
Interesting game May 11. Markus playing Henry Ellenson.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 01, 2023, 09:04:17 AM
Markus doing Markus things- 30 pts in 22 minutes, beating Ethan Happ's team
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp)
Interesting game May 11. Markus playing Henry Ellenson.
Thanks for the link. 8-of-13 from 3 for MU's all-time scoring leader.
Being a teammate of Markus must be insufferable.
Earlier this week, Markus' Baskonia team was upset in the first round of the Spanish League playoffs, despite being the #2 seed. The good news in their league position qualified them for next season's EuroLeague.
Vander had a solid season Playing for Al Sadd in the Quatar Basketball League. Team finished third overall.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Vander-Blue/197724
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 01, 2023, 11:30:48 AM
Earlier this week, Markus' Baskonia team was upset in the first round of the Spanish League playoffs, despite being the #2 seed. The good news in their league position qualified them for next season's EuroLeague.
I see Markus racked up 1 assist in the two game sweep.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 02, 2023, 06:52:20 AM
I see Markus racked up 1 assist in the two game sweep.
They don't pay him to pass the ball.
His season stats for Spanish League games were:
19.6 minutes
16.5 pts
54% 2 pt
42.4 3 pt
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 02, 2023, 06:59:06 AM
They don't pay him to pass the ball.
His season stats for Spanish League games were:
19.6 minutes
16.5 pts
54% 2 pt
42.4 3 pt
His teammates need to show leadership and white letters
'Write', but perhaps you were going in a different direction.
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2023, 07:55:50 AM
'Write', but perhaps you were going in a different direction.
I stand by what I wrote
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2023, 07:44:20 AM
His teammates need to show leadership and white letters
Freudian slip?
Vander's team Al Sadd won the Qatar Championship. Vander seems to be around a lot of winning teams in his journey.
https://twitter.com/PipuCuore/status/1669628994935836672?cxt=HHwWgMC-3bGu26suAAAA
Henry Ellenson now in Japanese League . Unfortunately , Henry was not an outstanding performer in The Spanish League and is now going down a level. Should be able to do well in Japan, as Davante has done over many years.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/817263/Henry-Ellenson-(ex-Joventut)-signs-at-Cyberdyne-Ibaraki-Robots
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
Swaggy having another productive season in Europe. He has carved out a nice niche for himself. Progressing each year to more competitive leagues.
Delighted to see him doing so well.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2023, 04:50:05 PM
Swaggy having another productive season in Europe. He has carved out a nice niche for himself. Progressing each year to more competitive leagues.
Delighted to see him doing so well.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Swaggy was coaching my grandson this summer, totally impressed with his teachings. Will be a good coach once he retires!
BC
How is the grandson's game looking?
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 11:39:20 AM
BC
How is the grandson's game looking?
Had a great summer, MVP at most summer camps, last year won the high school group playing up, now playing with the 6th graders. A name in the future is Elgin Cooks son, really has big upside best 6th grader in the state. They play together on the Nicolet team.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 07, 2023, 11:49:26 AM
Had a great summer, MVP at most summer camps, last year won the high school group playing up, now playing with the 6th graders. A name in the future is Elgin Cooks son, really has big upside best 6th grader in the state. They play together on the Nicolet team.
That's really cool, BC.
I still miss watching my kids play ... and I'm looking forward to the grandkids starting to play in a year or three!
Quote from: MU82 on November 07, 2023, 12:28:40 PM
That's really cool, BC.
I still miss watching my kids play ... and I'm looking forward to the grandkids starting to play in a year or three!
.
Thanks, fun to see how kids really improve from one year to the next.
BC
I have to come see him play one of these days. I know you are high on Cook's son and would like to see him as well.
What do you think about the MU team and the season outlook?
They play on Sundays, I will find a game when they play in Tosa or Brookfield. The three will take this team as far as they can go, hope in the tourney they shoot the ball well. Let's see how they do against the Illini and UCLA, know more then, still soft upfront, needed to recruit a David Boone type, did not happen. If there all clicking, they would be tough to beat.
BC
Sounds good on a Tosa or Brookfield game. I agree that if they are clicking that they will be tough to beat. I agree on the soft part but think the maturity and talent on the team covers up a lot. While it was not a clinic last night, they sure have confident look to them. They have a look of a top five team to me and I think that means a lot.
No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
BC
I will check my email!
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 04:34:19 PM
BC
I will check my email!
.
I sent to your phone! Just curious
BC
I did not get a text. Want me to PM my number again.
Also, still pimping for Goolsby's!!
Interesting, resend me a text, new item at Goolsbys will be a Warrior sweatshirt, will be selling at next game!
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 07, 2023, 04:13:14 PM
No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
"I have been thinking about you a whole lot"
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 07, 2023, 04:13:14 PM
No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
Hopefully, BC doesn't stand for Brett's C___
Crean sucks
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 04:43:26 PM
BC
I did not get a text. Want me to PM my number again.
Also, still pimping for Goolsby's!!
Send a text or email, whatever, tried calling, number is wrong
Sent you a PM with my number
Howard brothers meet up.
https://x.com/acbcom/status/1723708209582465517?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Markus Howard requesting to have his sports "citizenship" moved to Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/Auto1974/status/1722909879008899179
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 12, 2023, 09:37:37 PM
Howard brothers meet up.
https://x.com/acbcom/status/1723708209582465517?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Jordan scored 22 for the win. Marcus had 33 in the loss
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 13, 2023, 11:18:18 AM
Jordan scored 22 for the win. Marcus had 33 in the loss
How many did Markus put up?
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 13, 2023, 11:19:17 AM
How many did Markus put up?
Sorry, in lieu of his possible new citizenship, it is Marcos
Quote from: warriorchick on November 13, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
Markus Howard requesting to have his sports "citizenship" moved to Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/Auto1974/status/1722909879008899179
Wants to pull a Butch Lee at the Olympics
How does that work? Is every US citizen able to claim Puerto Rican athletic citizenship? Do you need some sort of connection to the island?
Quote from: lawdog77 on November 13, 2023, 11:25:32 AM
Sorry, in lieu of his possible new citizenship, it is Marcos
Nope....Markos.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 13, 2023, 11:46:39 AM
Nope....Markos.
Not according to google
https://www.google.com/search?q=markus+to+spanish&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS994US994&oq=markus+to+spanish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCDYxOTVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=markus+to+spanish&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS994US994&oq=markus+to+spanish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCDYxOTVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 13, 2023, 11:44:21 AM
How does that work? Is every US citizen able to claim Puerto Rican athletic citizenship? Do you need some sort of connection to the island?
He has Puerto Rican ancestry on his mom's side.
Swaggy Du having another excellent season in Europe in German A League. Has been working his way up the league hierarchy in Europe.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2023, 11:17:55 AM
Henry Ellenson now in Japanese League . Unfortunately , Henry was not an outstanding performer in The Spanish League and is now going down a level. Should be able to do well in Japan, as Davante has done over many years.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/817263/Henry-Ellenson-(ex-Joventut)-signs-at-Cyberdyne-Ibaraki-Robots
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
Henry cut from Japanese team. Did not appear in any games. Must have been injured. Hopefully he finds a new home.
https://www.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/847206/Robots-cut-Ellenson
Greg playing well in Danish league. Good start to his overseas career.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Greg-Elliott/450206
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2024, 01:19:58 PM
Greg playing well in Danish league. Good start to his overseas career.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Greg-Elliott/450206
Lists college as Pitt, sad
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 25, 2024, 09:23:04 AM
Henry cut from Japanese team. Did not appear in any games. Must have been injured. Hopefully he finds a new home.
https://www.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/847206/Robots-cut-Ellenson
Ha...Henry was cut from the "Robots". Seemingly a perfect fit.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 08, 2024, 02:46:44 PM
Ha...Henry was cut from the "Robots". Seemingly a perfect fit.
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:04:23 PM
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
Meh. He made $6MM before turning 25 years old, all playing a sport. He did just fine, and sticking around in college wasn't going to change his career trajectory.
We would've been brutally awful without him. Luke Fischer and Haanif Cheatham were our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers that year.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:04:23 PM
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
You're too hard on him.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:04:23 PM
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2024, 06:02:04 PM
I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
It also ended really poorly when Wojo cut Wally after Henry left. Would have been cool if Henry stuck around one more year as that team would have been really fun. Can't pass up being a first rounder though.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2024, 06:35:26 PM
It also ended really poorly when Wojo cut Wally after Henry left. Would have been cool if Henry stuck around one more year as that team would have been really fun. Can't pass up being a first rounder though.
Well Woj told Wally either full commit to basketball or high jump, but in a way yes he cut him. Smoke & mirrors
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:04:23 PM
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
Yes, you're being way too hard on Henry. Averaged 17 and just under 10, first team all conference & freshman of the year. We won 20 games with him, including a great win in Madison and knocking off top 10 Providence on the road. Pretty amazing considering how bad a coach Wojo was and how young they were.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2024, 06:02:04 PM
I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
Wojo was responsible for team/ coach development. He was paid very well to do so and failed miserably at it. I don't how that would possibly be on Henry. What, he owed the program and fans something to stay at least another year? It was well understood when he joined MU he may be a one and done. He was top 10 nationally in his class and a McDonald's AA. Many of those guys aren't in college long. He bet in himself to be a first round pick and was right.
Any failure after that is on Wojo, his staff, and players, not Henry having the audacity to take his NBA shot. It's ludicrous to say otherwise. And any argument we should have never taken him knowing he would probably leave after 1 year is just as ludicrous. You don't say no, not interested to consensus top 10 national players.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:04:23 PM
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us.
Imagine that ... a top-tier college athlete "using" his chosen program to succeed personally. Because college programs don't "use" athletes at all.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 08, 2024, 08:51:24 PM
Wojo was responsible for team/ coach development. He was paid very well to do so and failed miserably at it. I don't how that would possibly be on Henry. What, he owed the program and fans something to stay at least another year? It was well understood when he joined MU he may be a one and done. He was top 10 nationally in his class and a McDonald's AA. Many of those guys aren't in college long. He bet in himself to be a first round pick and was right.
Any failure after that is on Wojo, his staff, and players, not Henry having the audacity to take his NBA shot. It's ludicrous to say otherwise. And any argument we should have never taken him knowing he would probably leave after 1 year is just as ludicrous. You don't say no, not interested to consensus top 10 national players.
While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 09, 2024, 07:44:16 AM
While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
That wasn't my point though. It was this stupid notion that Ellenson failed the program and set it back a couple, few years.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 09, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
That wasn't my point though. It was this stupid notion that Ellenson failed the program and set it back a couple, few years.
I think you misinterpreted it. He may not be responsible, and I agree that it's ultimately on Wojo but his presence DID set team growth back and whether or not it's warranted part of that frustration was bound to be directed toward Henry.
As far as your notion of whether or not to accept a player who's top 10, we'll agree to disagree at the time I'd have agreed but with the added advantage of hindsight I think we'd have been better in 2017 & 2018 without Henry.
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 09, 2024, 07:44:16 AM
While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
As talented as he was, he was soft.
Quote from: bilsu on March 09, 2024, 09:40:01 AM
As talented as he was, he was soft.
Typical Wisconsin soft high schooler from the sticks
Henry was drafted by the Pistons. I watched him several times when the Pistons G League affiliate was in town. My impression of him was that he hadn't progressed. Could still fill up a stat sheet. Struggled with the athleticism of G league forwards. Struggled to defend. Struggled with figuring out how to use his teammates, how to make them better. Would still grab a defensive rebound, bring it up court and ultimately take a shot without a teammate touching the ball.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2024, 09:47:49 AM
Typical Wisconsin soft high schooler from the sticks
Are you tryin' ta say honkies are soft, hey?
Jose Perez, in a shocking turn of events, is leaving his studies behind and skipping out on ASU to play overseas, effective immediately. #muMbb has yet another pro alumnus!
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2024, 08:35:30 AM
Jose Perez, in a shocking turn of events, is leaving his studies behind and skipping out on ASU to play overseas, effective immediately. #muMbb has yet another pro alumnus!
Incredible Quote from Jose in this article :
"There's a thin line between loyalty and stupidity," Perez posted on Instagram. "I'm going to be loyal, but I'm not going to be stupid. I'm not going to be so loyal that I betray myself."
Markus scoring like Markus can. 37 in the win
https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain (https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain)
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 11, 2024, 08:19:18 PM
Markus scoring like Markus can. 37 in the win
https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain (https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain)
22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 05:58:36 AM
22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
And Ricky Rubio
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 05:58:36 AM
22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
Spain league is a very strong league and a lot of money available.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 05:58:36 AM
22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
36% from 3, above 35% is money. As far as I know no whining white kid (or mother) wrote a letter
Dwight Buycks playing well in Iran this season.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Zob-Ahan-Isfahan/2695
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 21, 2024, 05:04:28 PM
Dwight Buycks playing well in Iran this season.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Zob-Ahan-Isfahan/2695
And with Jamail Jones. And...uh...yikes.
Anyone going to watch?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 21, 2024, 05:04:28 PM
Dwight Buycks playing well in Iran this season.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Zob-Ahan-Isfahan/2695
...by way of Boeheim's Army 😂. The Iranians are like...know nothin' about this 'Army', but the Yank can ball.
Need to know...how much would you have to be paid to ball in Iran?
Quote from: Viper on April 21, 2024, 06:50:17 PM
...by way of Boeheim's Army 😂. The Iranians are like...know nothin' about this 'Army', but the Yank can ball.
Need to know...how much would you have to be paid to ball in Iran?
It has to be tough. It is so far away
Quote from: Viper on April 21, 2024, 06:50:17 PM
...by way of Boeheim's Army 😂. The Iranians are like...know nothin' about this 'Army', but the Yank can ball.
Need to know...how much would you have to be paid to ball in Iran?
A lot. Supposed to be a beautiful place but man...
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 21, 2024, 07:04:21 PM
A lot. Supposed to be a beautiful place but man...
Gorgeous country, great people, amazing food...but also the Islamic Republic which sort of negates a lot of the other pluses.
FWIW, the Iranian league is among the most stable/well paying in the Middle East, so worse places to be in that way if you're not in Europe or China/Taiwan. Surprised he's not still playing in PR.
Also, funny enough, Buycks current team in Iran is also the former employer of a certain Ousmane Barro.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 21, 2024, 07:04:21 PM
A lot. Supposed to be a beautiful place but man...
Quote from: JWags85 on April 22, 2024, 09:09:16 AM
Gorgeous country, great people, amazing food...but also the Islamic Republic which sort of negates a lot of the other pluses.
Totally. Its Exhibit A of "if life were different, life would be different." Would love to spend time in Iran but with geopolitics being what they are, it would take next to nothing for Dwight or Jamail to find themselves in the next Brittany Griner situation.
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 22, 2024, 01:33:01 PM
Totally. Its Exhibit A of "if life were different, life would be different." Would love to spend time in Iran but with geopolitics being what they are, it would take next to nothing for Dwight or Jamail to find themselves in the next Brittany Griner situation.
Don't be doin' no drugs.
Swaggy Du finished another outstanding season in Europe. His German ProA team was second in the regular season but unfortunately lost in the quarterfinals of Playoffs so they will not get promoted to highest German league
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zVUtmtQBk/?igsh=dTYxbmpoaWlzMGxi
Some of Swaggys season highlights :
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Uklp0spD6/?igsh=MThzYWY4cDJhNzFkZA==
Vander having another solid season in Mexico. His team is in the semifinals . Seems like Vanders teams always do reasonably well in the foreign leagues he has played in.
https://basketball.latinbasket.com/player/Vander-Blue/197724
Swaggy Du playing for Chartres in French B League this season. Swaggy keeps moving up steadily each season. Last season he was Third team All German A league (second highest league)and Import Player of The Year.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Anyone know if Rowsey is still playing professionally?
Quote from: Knight Commission on November 25, 2024, 06:36:31 PMAnyone know if Rowsey is still playing professionally?
I googled and the most recent thing I could find was that he signed a one year contract with a German club in August 2023. No idea where he's at now.