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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Big East on December 10, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
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Andrew Rowsey left his team in Germany. He was signed as an injury replacement and the injured player returned . Rowsey had a very good G League season last year, so it would not be surprising if he came back to play in the proposed G League bubble.
https://sportando.basketball/en/andrew-rowsey-giessen-46ers-part-ways/
Dwight Buycks left his French team is purportedly seeking an NBA two way contract per this article
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/and-ones-buycks-hannahs-belinelli-deck.html
Jamil Wilson having a solid season with Rome in the Italian A League. It appears that Jamil has learned how to play well in Italy over the years.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Italy/Acea-Virtus-Roma/84?Page=3
DJO and Luke Fischer both starting and doing well for Orleans in the French A League. Both of these guys have carved out very good niches in Europe.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/France/Entente-Orleans-45/2358
Davante continues to dominate and very popular in Japan. His team is leading their Conference.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Japan/SeaHorses-Mikawa/2399
Dominic James has no current team listed. However here is a very interesting article on his family .
https://bvmsports.com/2020/07/01/dominic-james-wright-and-family-make-it-back-to-the-u-s/
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This is great stuff! Thanks. Love that Davante's team is the Sea-horses!
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And, the Big Sheesh is averaging 20.5 ppg.
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This is great stuff! Thanks. Love that Davante's team is the Sea-horses!
You want to talk about finding a place in the international game, Davante is a B League SUPERSTAR. He’s led the B League in scoring the last 3 seasons. First team selection the last 2 seasons and second team the season before. He was POY in the league last year.
One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
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Dominic James has no current team listed. However here is a very interesting article on his family .
https://bvmsports.com/2020/07/01/dominic-james-wright-and-family-make-it-back-to-the-u-s/
Fun fact, the ambassador to the UAE who is pictured in that article and helped DJ and Co make it home...is an MU alum. Couldn’t have hurt in assisting him 8-)
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Good stuff - thanks Trump!
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Jamils Italian team went broke so he is now in the top Israel League
https://www.latestbasketballnews.com/jamil-wilson-from-roma-to-hapoel-jerusalem/
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I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
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I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
Do they still give out the Olouma Nnamaka award for consistency?
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You want to talk about finding a place in the international game, Davante is a B League SUPERSTAR. He’s led the B League in scoring the last 3 seasons. First team selection the last 2 seasons and second team the season before. He was POY in the league last year.
One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
So what you’re saying is Davante is big in Japan?
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I thought this was going to be a thread dedicated to Olouma Nnamaka, Junior Cadougan, Harry Froling, and Niv Berkowitz.
No love for Cubillian Koby Mcmorrow or Mbao?
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No love for Cubillian Koby Mcmorrow or Mbao?
Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don’t remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90’s legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
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Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don’t remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90’s legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
Mcmorrow was a 7 footer from Canada on the 2010 team deemed ineligible to play due to knee issues and so he played at a D2 school. Mbao was also a 7 footer from Senegal on the 2010 team who was so hilariously bad in his few minutes it was comical.
Ike could also be on there for honorable mention but he's like Koby in that he's still here.
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After 4 solid years in Denmark, Derrick Wilson is now in the Turkish League. He has had a very good career and is in top form so far in the first 8 games. Delighted to see Derrick doing well.
https://www.eurobasket.com/Turkey/news/635513/Sigortam.net-ITU-Basket-Istanbul-tabs-Derrick-Wilson
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Mcmorrow was a 7 footer from Canada on the 2010 team deemed ineligible to play due to knee issues and so he played at a D2 school. Mbao was also a 7 footer from Senegal on the 2010 team who was so hilariously bad in his few minutes it was comical.
Ike could also be on there for honorable mention but he's like Koby in that he's still here.
McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
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McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
Which is a D1 school.
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Forgot about Cubi and his little shoulder shimmy. Koby still here, don’t remember the other two.
I could go back to sone of our mid 90’s legends too: Joseph, Abraham, and Shaw
Faisal Abraham- one of my all time MU favorites. Strong rebounder and paint defender. He was a man underneath. A really nice and humble guy too. Remember seeing him often at Water St establishments, one in particular that I can’t recall the name anymore.
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McMorrow had a heart condition. He played at Tennessee Tech after transferring.
My bad thought it was knees knew it was TN Tech thought that was d2
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Agreed on Faisal Abraham. My favorite FA story. At MU - UL game at BC in '97 when FA is fouled and goes to the line. Buddy who's a UL fan asks me how good a FT shooter he is. My comment - 1 out of 2 is a bonus. He did bank one in and missed the 2nd one badly. But a fantastic defender, shot blocker, rebounder and enforcer.
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Faisal Abraham- one of my all time MU favorites. Strong rebounder and paint defender. He was a man underneath. A really nice and humble guy too. Remember seeing him often at Water St establishments, one in particular that I can’t recall the name anymore.
He'd come down to the Rec Center and play pick-up. Running into him on a screen was like running into a brick wall. He's still one of MU's all-time shot block leaders.
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Congratulations to Sacar signing with a team in the top German League
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1412893096451379205
Also congrats to Swaggy Du signing with Yoast United in the Netherlands League
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/Germany/Nuernberg-Falcons-BC/299813
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Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
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He'd come down to the Rec Center and play pick-up. Running into him on a screen was like running into a brick wall. He's still one of MU's all-time shot block leaders.
Faisal certainly didn't skip arm day.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/marquette-golden-eagles-faisal-abraham-and-cincinnati-bearcats-davis-picture-id110312113?s=2048x2048)
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Burton is older than I thought.
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Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Mex league so so...
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Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Teammates mad cuz he won’t slap cinco!
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Vander leading the Mexican League in Scoring
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/76/Mexican-LNBP
Stats leaderboard wasn't quite the "let's remember some guys" trip I was hoping it would be - Reyshawn Terry, Samardo Samuels, Tony Mitchell were the names that jumped out.
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Jumped out of where exactly?
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This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor. How many scholarship players have we had who did not play in the NBA / G League / Overseas for a few years? Matt Heldt seems to be the only one.
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This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor.
I guess if you want to have your school lose accreditation, that's a great idea. Otherwise, it's not.
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This thread is a great argument for having a Basketball Major or Minor. How many scholarship players have we had who did not play in the NBA / G League / Overseas for a few years? Matt Heldt seems to be the only one.
Michigan State used to have a Phys Ed major many years ago. I don’t know if they still have it.
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I guess if you want to have your school lose accreditation, that's a great idea. Otherwise, it's not.
I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
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I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
What you are advocating is a job skills program - not an academic course of study.
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What you are advocating is a job skills program - not an academic course of study.
Maybe it could be part of sports management specialty in the College of Business.
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I would imagine there's a middle ground between creating a minor that prepares players for a 5-10 year professional career overseas + post playing opportunities in coaching, scouting and individual instruction and losing a University losing its accreditation.
Most schools that do have Phys Ed majors house them within their schools of Education.
Maybe it could be part of sports management specialty in the College of Business.
There are a lot of schools adding graduate and undergraduate programs in Sports Administation and Sports Management. Business is the perfect place to put it. MU should have one in conjunction with the Sports Law program at MULS.
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It's funny to me that advocating to help 12 students who drive millions of dollars of exposure, marketing and revenue for your University be prepared for success in their post University life could hurt your University's academic standing.
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It's funny to me that advocating to help 12 students who drive millions of dollars of exposure, marketing and revenue for your University be prepared for success in their post University life could hurt your University's academic standing.
How much did UNC's joke of an African American Studies program hurt its academic standing?
At least we could be reasonably confident that MU would make a Sports Management program a legitimate course of study.
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Sacar playing well
https://mobile.twitter.com/tripledoublesm/status/1446943502181576714
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How much did UNC's joke of an African American Studies program hurt its academic standing?
At least we could be reasonably confident that MU would make a Sports Management program a legitimate course of study.
African American Studies is not 'a joke' my friend... It's as legitimate to some as any other studies you can elect to take.
What do you mean?
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African American Studies is not 'a joke' my friend... It's as legitimate to some as any other studies you can elect to take.
What do you mean?
She didn't say African American studies is a joke. She said the one at UNC was a joke. There was a several year investigation that found that most of the classes were faked so that athletes could pass easily
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She didn't say African American studies is a joke. She said the one at UNC was a joke. There was a several year investigation that found that most of the classes were faked so that athletes could pass easily
And UNC's defense was that it was an accreditation issue and that the NCAA shouldn't bother itself with athlete academic cheating.
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And UNC's defense was that it was an accreditation issue and that the NCAA shouldn't bother itself with athlete academic cheating.
And the NCAA agreed, saying it was out of their purview.
Never mind that they have a "lack of institutional control" way of punishing such blatant academic fraud -- which IMHO is a far worse kind of cheating than slipping an athlete some $$ from boosters.
They simply punted. What a joke.
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Vander continuing his hot ways in Mexican League. After 18 games leading the league in scoring at 22.1. Also shooting 52.2% on 3s. Making 78.9 percent of his free throws , which have been a problem in the past for him. 4.17 assist and 4.11 Rebounds.
Delighted for Vander's success so far this year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
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Vander continuing his hot ways in Mexican League. After 18 games leading the league in scoring at 22.1. Also shooting 52.2% on 3s. Making 78.9 percent of his free throws , which have been a problem in the past for him. 4.17 assist and 4.11 Rebounds.
Delighted for Vander's success so far this year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vander-Blue/Summary/9340
Reading through that history of signing and cuts. Sure does infer that he burnt a lot of bridges. At 29 his window may have closed.
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In Mexico they call him Vander Azul.
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Reading through that history of signing and cuts. Sure does infer that he burnt a lot of bridges. At 29 his window may have closed.
I’m not sure he burnt a lot of bridges. I think he’s a good player who is not a good enough player to be in the NBA. Many of those guys go to Europe, but Vander stayed in the G-League hoping for a call-up. This led to some Summer League invites.
He’s basically a AAAA player in baseball.
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I’m not sure he burnt a lot of bridges. I think he’s a good player who is not a good enough player to be in the NBA. Many of those guys go to Europe, but Vander stayed in the G-League hoping for a call-up. This led to some Summer League invites.
He’s basically a AAAA player in baseball.
Italian Cup MVP (2018) Italian Cup champion (2018) NBA D-League MVP (2017) 2× All-NBA D-League First Team (2016, 2017) 3× NBA D-League All-Star (2015–2017)
He was D League MVP in 2017, two time first team, and got a cup of tea in the NBA.
That’s like high triple A ready to make a September roster in baseball, at least at that time.
Sure it’s 3 years later and now he’s likely a double A player sticking with the baseball analogy (I guess I don’t really understand the AAAA…)
Juan Toscano Anderson was another alum Mexican League standout that got a shot and is making the most of it in the NBA, so crazier things have happened
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Sure it’s 3 years later and now he’s likely a double A player sticking with the baseball analogy (I guess I don’t really understand the AAAA…)
AAAA is kind of the parlance for guys that bounce between AAA and the majors but can’t stick. Too good to be just AAA guys but not good enough to be MLB regulars. That’s kind of been Vander’s peak.
It’s really unfortunate that he seems to have some issues (homesick, culture shock, etc…) with playing in Europe. Cause he’s shown he could be excellent there. He doesn’t have NBA size, but he has decent size for the 2 and he can score prolifically. He could have had a really nice career in not just Europe, but the Euroleague. He still has time, but I don’t think it’s in the cards for him.
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One of the homegrown Japanese stars resigned last year for a deal that was close to $1MM annually. And Nick Fazekas, another American who found a place as a star in the B League, gave an interview not long ago saying that coming back to the NBA on a minimum or a lot of places in Europe would be a pay cut, so safe to say DG is probably safely over that $500K mark in a league where he is beloved, likely has plenty of sponsorship/marketing opportunities, and could continue to play for another decade
Nick Fazekas almost came to Marquette if I remember correctly.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoWmqBvoCw
It is sort of a foreign league.
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DJO got picked up by Le Mans in the French A League . He is coming off a bad Achilles injury in March, so don’t know how much of his explosiveness is going to be there at this point in his recovery . He did log 17 minutes with 3 assists and 1 point in his first game , so he is out there trying.
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Vander was the Mexican League MVP this year. Averaged 21.7 ppg
https://twitter.com/PipuCuore/status/1455103617736876038/photo/1
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Sacar absolutely tearing up the German A League
Had a stint last year in the G League
A great representative of MU
https://mobile.twitter.com/sacar_anim15
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Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
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Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
Love how the article points out that while he is talented, he is only 1.8 meters tall.
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Love how the article points out that while he is talented, he is only 1.8 meters tall.
1.8 Meter Markus Howard new team , Baskonia, is set to play in 2022-23 in The EuroLeague , which is the highest level overseas .
https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/euroleague/standings/
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Looks like Markus is signing with Baskonia in the Spanish A league
https://baskonia.elcorreo.com/markus-howard-opcion-20220715163205-nt.html
This is awesome for Markus. Arguably the best non-NBA league, and EuroLeague is the cream of the crop of international basketball. He's gonna have a ton of visibility there. His best chance to stay on NBA radars while making really good money. Mike James, arguably the top American scoring guard in Europe the last 7-8 years, played for Baskonia for a few seasons shortly before getting his NBA looks.
I thought he could be a Shane Larkin type export. Here's his chance. Baskonia's leading scorer left in the offseason so points are there.
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This is awesome for Markus. Arguably the best non-NBA league, and EuroLeague is the cream of the crop of international basketball. He's gonna have a ton of visibility there. His best chance to stay on NBA radars while making really good money. Mike James, arguably the top American scoring guard in Europe the last 7-8 years, played for Baskonia for a few seasons shortly before getting his NBA looks.
I thought he could be a Shane Larkin type export. Here's his chance. Baskonia's leading scorer left in the offseason so points are there.
Lots of good perspective there, Wags. Thanks.
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how much will he make a yr
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how much will he make a yr
$69
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$69
Nice!
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Nice!
Up & down
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$69
lol ur the troll of scoop man :)
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Looking forward to him putting a whoopin’ on Henry’s team.
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I had to laugh at the first response to this tweet (translation by google): “A brutal scorer, very good defender, I have never seen him play in my life”
https://twitter.com/baskonia/status/1548609103387312130?s=21
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Vander and DJO taking time off from their Foreign pursuits to train for TBT. I think Jamil is still playing in Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1547376470296756224
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Vander and DJO taking time off from their Foreign pursuits to train for TBT. I think Jamil is still playing in Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1547376470296756224
Jamil's team gowne a week ago down here
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Highlights for Jamil from his Puerto Rican season. Seems like the home fans got revved up when he made solid plays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTDKNab4EKc
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how much will he make a yr
Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
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Highlights for Jamil from his Puerto Rican season. Seems like the home fans got revved up when he made solid plays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTDKNab4EKc
10 minutes of fade away jump shots.
He has evolved to the "old man" game.
Not sure he could jump over the Peoria telephone book.
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Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
jewelry, cars AND women? Dang it
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Varies quite a bit. However, it was mentioned during a TBT game that some veteran players choose to stay there rather than play in the NBA. They can do better than the NBA minimum and get perks like cars and houses. That is at the top level of course. Most do not do that well. But you can make a nice six-figure income there and be well set if you do not spend it on jewelry and cars and women.
With all due respect, nobody is choosing to stay there over the NBA. The NBA minimum is basically $2MM. There are less than 10 guys making that in Europe. The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years
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With all due respect, nobody is choosing to stay there over the NBA. The NBA minimum is basically $2MM. There are less than 10 guys making that in Europe. The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years
Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
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Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
Some clarification needed here. Travis was at the point of his NBA career where he had no contract and was looking at the life of a player hoping to catch on mid season with 10 day contracts . He left while he had enough value to get to a strong European team and make consistent money (less than NBA), rather than be a vagabond NBA with no consistent job.
Henry Ellenson has done that exact same thing .
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Travis did. He picked star in Europe over NBA bench warmer and trade fodder. I'm sure he's not the first nor last to make that choice.
I think his exception statement includes Travis: "The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years"
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Some clarification needed here. Travis was at the point of his NBA career where he had no contract and was looking at the life of a player hoping to catch on mid season with 10 day contracts . He left while he had enough value to get to a strong European team and make consistent money (less than NBA), rather than be a vagabond NBA with no consistent job.
Henry Ellenson has done that exact same thing .
Correct. Love Travis, but he didn't "choose" star in Europe. It was his only choice to keep playing. He was getting no playing time and his NBA options the next year would have been bleak. And he joined a recently promoted team in Italy, not a Euroleague power. He got paid well I'm sure, but it was nowhere near NBA money.
I think his exception statement includes Travis: "The only Euro guys staying there would be out of the NBA in a year or 2 and stay where they can make $1MM for the next 5+ years"
Yea, my point was guys in their prime, who can sign with an NBA team, aren't choosing to stay in Europe. If your option is hoping for a 1 year deal or staying with your Euroleague club, then maybe you stay in Europe. Look at Mike James who I spoke of. Absolute star in Europe, got out of his deal with CSKA Moscow to chase NBA. Signed a couple of 10 days with the Nets. Was just ok. Now he's back in Europe. That wasn't a "choice" so much as he wasn't getting good NBA looks after that stint.
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Going back to old reports, it looks like Travis had the option of being the third point guard for Miami, Cleveland, and possibly Milwaukee, but decided to go overseas instead. He was only 28, so it's not like he was washed. He did deal with an injury, but he got some minutes for Portland in the playoffs in 2010 so there's no reason to think he couldn't have gone back to being an end of the bench guy had he wanted to.
Is that all that different from Markus now? Sure, Markus is 23, but his options are probably end of an NBA bench or going overseas. I'm guessing they aren't alone in choosing relative European certainty over NBA uncertainty.
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Wasn't the whole reason that the Overseas Elite TBT team was so dominant for a few years because they had 2-3 guys that had NBA end of bench offers, but they actually wanted to play significant minutes? I'm not sure how the compensation packages compared, but it's the same mindset that a lot of collegiate athletes have dropping down a level in competition in order to be the BMOC, i.e. Sandy Cohen.
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Going back to old reports, it looks like Travis had the option of being the third point guard for Miami, Cleveland, and possibly Milwaukee, but decided to go overseas instead. He was only 28, so it's not like he was washed. He did deal with an injury, but he got some minutes for Portland in the playoffs in 2010 so there's no reason to think he couldn't have gone back to being an end of the bench guy had he wanted to.
Is that all that different from Markus now? Sure, Markus is 23, but his options are probably end of an NBA bench or going overseas. I'm guessing they aren't alone in choosing relative European certainty over NBA uncertainty.
But he was washed in terms of NBA potential. He got his NBA chance, he was in his late 20s, he reached his NBA peak prior and there was a greater chance of him being cut/bouncing on 10 days then playing even 3-4 more years as an end of the bench guy. He played a combined 6 min in 2 playoff games that the Blazers lost by 20 and 30 points. The literal least amount of minutes on the entire team. His NBA journey was done.
Markus is different because his choice is G League or playing high level in Europe. At 23, both are trying to get back on the NBA radar, but the latter offers a bigger payday. And Markus is already going to a higher level than Travis was playing at. Plenty of guys played in Europe in their early/mid 20s and got back on the NBA radar before sticking. Pat Beverly, PJ Tucker, Darius Miller, etc...
But back to the original point, nobody, even European guys, anywhere close to their prime are staying in Europe versus being even Jordan Nwora/Jevon Carter.
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Brendan Bailey playing well in Sweden
https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2 (https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2)
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Good for Brendan. I saw the G league wasn't working out for him. Happy he found a decent spot.
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Good for BB. I wish he had come back for another year.
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Brendan Bailey playing well in Sweden
https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2 (https://www.eurobasket.com/Sweden/news/770014/Bailey-number-one-in-Sweden-Basketligan-for-round-2)
Nice! Oh what could have been eh'
Koby McEwan getting a shout-out in the same article
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Modest results for Markus in Europe so far . Those leagues are tougher than many realize .
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Markus-Howard/Spain/Bitci-Baskonia-Vitoria/337691
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Good for BB. I wish he had come back for another year.
Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
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Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
I wouldn’t be shocked if NIL was around, Bailey would have stayed. I think he wanted to go out and make money. I believe he had a child around that time too.
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Bailey's such an interesting case. His father is a bright guy who obviously knows the ins and outs of NBA basketball; he had to know his son had zero chance at the NBA.
I'd love to read or see an interview of Thurl in which a few questions about Brendan's decision are asked.
He was going to become a father in less than a year, could have had something to to do with.
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Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
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Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
I don't think it was mentioned here but was on his Instagram. I followed him, I'm a creepy old man
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Thanks. I either never heard about his impending fatherhood or forgot about it. Makes more sense now.
First time he posted about it
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIELt7ApDg8/?igshid=NDc0ODY0MjQ=
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Nice.
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https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
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https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
Chucker
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https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
Nice to see Markus with a break out game. Hope he keeps up the momentum .
Seems like he was having a lot of fun .
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https://twitter.com/kantinu/status/1581023808496226306
I guess Howard can hit buzzer beaters ;D
33 points on 8/12 3P shooting is not too shabby either
I’d be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
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I’d be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
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How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
Yes, how long will I beat that dead horse?
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Yes, how long will I beat that dead horse?
Yes.
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How long do you plan on beating this dead horse? Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid. The reality is, is that if we had a Head Coach at that time who had a clue, the issue would have been resolved. Instead we had a complete doofus as coach who essentially discouraged playing team basketball by imploring Markus to shoot more and to give him the "ultimate green light."
Not Markus's fault - he did what the coach asked. Not the Hausers fault, that being skilled shooters themselves, they didn't want to play for a coach who didn't value team basketball and their skills. Most basketball players don't love busting their ass on defense for 30 seconds, and to then go to the other end and see their teammate frequently jack up 25' step back 3's less than 10 seconds into the shotclock.
Speaking of beating a dead horse! I wonder if in 20 years you'll still be whipping this old gray mare.
Anyhoo ...
Sam had about the same stats at Virginia that he had at Marquette, and he completed his 0-for-the-NCAAT history with a 4-for-16 choke-a-thon as UVa's "chucker" vs. the mighty Ohio Bobcats. After escaping the evil Markus/Wojo combo to play under a Hall of Fame coach, Joey has regressed by miles. Turns out, his best role as a college basketball player was as one of Markus' wingmen.
And anyhoo ...
Great to see Marquette's all-time scoring leader and first-team All-American doing well. That was an amazing shot, and I thank the Wiz for providing the video. I do wish Markus had hit similar shots against Seton Hall and St. John's, though.
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Yes.
Crean sucks
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Legend has it that the Hausers were told by coaches at other programs that the other coaches would have handled the situation the same way.
Not me. I would have thrown the Hausers off the team for insubordination.
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How long do you plan on beating this dead horse?
Instead of all the text, could've just said "is someone beating a dead horse? Hold my beer!"
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Your pre-occupation with making the Markus/Hauser deal racial is just plain stupid.
Yeah, that's not what he is doing.
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Yes.
Redundant
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Legend has it that the Hausers were told by coaches at other programs that the other coaches would have handled the situation the same way.
Not me. I would have thrown the Hausers off the team for insubordination.
I thought there was an article somewhere with a quote from either one of the Hausers or from one of their new coaches saying exactly that. Thought it was Tony Bennett saying he asked Sam what happened and told him if he wasn’t okay with that then maybe he needs to think if this is really the place he wants to be because he would’ve handled it the same way.
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Yeah, that's not what he is doing.
I'm aware Rico is taking shots at 4ever...yet this is probably about the 50th time I've read the same "joke." Time for some new material.
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I thought there was an article somewhere with a quote from either one of the Hausers or from one of their new coaches saying exactly that. Thought it was Tony Bennett saying he asked Sam what happened and told him if he wasn’t okay with that then maybe he needs to think if this is really the place he wants to be because he would’ve handled it the same way.
I look forward to reading the alleged article. Pretty sure this is some Scoop fiction.
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I'm aware Rico is taking shots at 4ever...yet this is probably about the 50th time I've read the same "joke." Time for some new material.
I've found both boards are much more readable if you have Rico on ignore
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I've found both boards are much more readable if you have Rico on ignore
I’m still waiting for the new board
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I’m still waiting for the new board
https://www.mupoop.com/
Almost 14 months since last post.
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https://www.mupoop.com/
Almost 14 months since last post.
That’s Chicos board. I’m waiting for the other one. Dodds probably stopping them
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That’s Chicos board. I’m waiting for the other one. Dodds probably stopping them
The Whiteboard?
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I’d be more excited if he was white and quit on the program
not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
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not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
Racist guy cries about racism against white people. Excellent.
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Racist guy cries about racism against white people. Excellent.
Some people are always victims. Sad!
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not sure which one of these reeko repartees are funnier, killing supreme court justices or his racist analogies of our basketball players. wearing the donkey colored tightee whities, oops underbritches, otherwise he would be facing a little pause for the cause, eyn'a?
You're a parody of a human being, not sarcasm.
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The Whiteboard?
Outstanding work.
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Vander had another solid season with the same team in The Mexican League. That league starts in the summer and finishes in October. Vander can pick up another foreign team this season or G League as a result of the way the schedule works .
Here are some highlights
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj0n-eZPPxh/?hl=en
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Duane playing in Italian League this year . Moving up the pecking order in Europe
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
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Markus had himself a day.
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Markus had himself a day.
Chucker
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Markus had himself a day.
Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
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Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Still chucking
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With perfect form making the net snap.
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Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Outstanding stuff, chick. Thanks for posting. Love the announcer!
"Markus Howard ... BING BANG BOOM!"
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Henry getting steady playing time in Spain
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
Jamil Found a team in Lithuania this year
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Jamil-Wilson/189158
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Highlight reel. Good stuff:
https://twitter.com/ACBCOM/status/1602028569945075712
Dude is unreal. Never ceases to amaze me.
Pound for pound one of the best shooters to ever lace em up.
As Marquette fans having him and Steve Novak come through the program in the last 20 years is special.
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If it weren't for the COVID shutdown, assuming normal production in The BEast tournament game and the NCAA tourney game, top 20 scorer in NCAA history.
We won't see his like again.
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If it weren't for the COVID shutdown, assuming normal production in The BEast tournament game and the NCAA tourney game, top 20 scorer in NCAA history.
We won't see his like again.
And still, on a pure PPG basis, he’s top 5 all time for major conference players. And who is he behind? Pistol Pete, Big O, Elvin Hayes, and Otis Birdsong, while basically tied with Allan Houston. Just remarkable considering his competition all 4 years
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Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
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Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Helluva shot. Not quite a game winner but a dagger
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Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Chucker
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Markus with the game-winning shot from the literal corner:
https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1612179606383071237
Perfect environment for Markus. Smile on his face is good to see.
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Gray contrasting color courts are awesome. Would love to see that in the Fiserv.
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Perfect environment for Markus. Smile on his face is good to see.
He can make a lot of money and have a lot of fun.
What does happen fairly often for U.S. men and women playing basketball overseas is that eventually some just feel too homesick and isolated. But not all, obviously. Some love it and even make a home for themselves there.
I wish our all-time scoring leader, first-team All-American and great ambassador nothing but success.
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Yep, hope he continues to have tons of success and becomes a folk hero of sorts in the highest level of Euroball, which he’s already on his way to.
Selfishly, I really wish Olympiakos in Greece would sign him.
Something tells me that he’s got a Jeremy Lin type moment, or Steve Novak etc, in the NBA in his future, and hopefully he can stick for several years.
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Gray contrasting color courts are awesome. Would love to see that in the Fiserv.
Please, no
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Yep, hope he continues to have tons of success and becomes a folk hero of sorts in the highest level of Euroball, which he’s already on his way to.
Selfishly, I really wish Olympiakos in Greece would sign him.
Something tells me that he’s got a Jeremy Lin type moment, or Steve Novak etc, in the NBA in his future, and hopefully he can stick for several years.
100% Doctor V on his NBA moment coming. There are only a handful of people on the planet that can shoot like Markus. He would be a perfect microwave off an NBA bench. I don’t care how short he is. The NBA GM who takes his head out of his ass first is going to be very happy they did.
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100% Doctor V on his NBA moment coming. There are only a handful of people on the planet that can shoot like Markus. He would be a perfect microwave off an NBA bench. I don’t care how short he is. The NBA GM who takes his head out of his ass first is going to be very happy they did.
But it matters how short he is. Just did a quick look at the all NBA roster, and there are two guys in the entire league right now under six feet. Howard played 60+ games in the league so it's not as though he is a complete unknown. He will get his chance in the future, but it is completely understandable why NBA GMs are skeptical.
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He can make a lot of money and have a lot of fun.
What does happen fairly often for U.S. men and women playing basketball overseas is that eventually some just feel too homesick and isolated. But not all, obviously. Some love it and even make a home for themselves there.
Lot easier to overcome that when you're in Markus' position making a nice 6 figures, living/playing in a mid sized Western European city in an NBA sized arena, etc... Same for someone like Fischer. I think the scenarios you mention happen with guys in the second and third tier leagues who are playing in more off the beaten path areas for much lower salaries and amenities. Big difference between playing in a French/Spanish/Greek city in front of 10K fans than playing in Lithuania/Georgia/Macedonia for a team in a town of 30K people on a court with volleyball/handball lines on it for $4-5K a month.
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Vander now playing in Qatar. I think he is on the same team that Dominic James was on for a few years.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Vander_Blue/197724
Seems like Vander has a good program going now. Plays the Mexican Season which starts in the late summer and then when it is finished in October, Vander picks up a second team somewhere in the world.
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But it matters how short he is. Just did a quick look at the all NBA roster, and there are two guys in the entire league right now under six feet. Howard played 60+ games in the league so it's not as though he is a complete unknown. He will get his chance in the future, but it is completely understandable why NBA GMs are skeptical.
Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don’t think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
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Dude is unreal. Never ceases to amaze me.
Pound for pound one of the best shooters to ever lace em up.
As Marquette fans having him and Steve Novak come through the program in the last 20 years is special.
It would be interesting to see how he would fit in on a Shaka coached team that stresses defensive accountability and playing for each other.
I know I'm in the minority here...but I didn't care for his style of play. Maybe that was Wojo and/or the talent we had...but he's not even in the same discussion as a Travis Diener IMHO.
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Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don’t think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
Don't see it...he's not a 3 and D guy...he's not capable of finishing at the rim...as a result isn't going to create for others. The Euro clips show him playing off the ball...
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Don't see it...he's not a 3 and D guy...he's not capable of finishing at the rim...as a result isn't going to create for others. The Euro clips show him playing off the ball...
I wouldn't say Markus isn't capable of finishing at the rim. He was very capable in college. I didn't watch him enough in the pros but he shot 53.7% from 2 in his first year (35.5 in his second year).
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Vander now playing in Qatar. I think he is on the same team that Dominic James was on for a few years.
Hope he’s not rockin any gear w a rainbow on it hey
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Sultan I understand that argument well. And in 99.9% of cases I agree. But Howard is special (exceptional really) and falls within the 0.1% IMO. I think a GM that takes a chance and the coach that lets him get some minutes with a second unit will be very happy in short order. I hope that theory is tested. I don’t think he got the shot in Denver that I am talking about. The kid needs a little bit more leash and PT and he will thrive.
Markus got plenty of leash and PT in Denver, and I actually think Malone quite liked him. The problem was they had plenty of guard depth, young guard depth, and there just wasn't PT for trying to take a flier on an undersized 2G developing. It just wasn't a good roster situation for him.
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I wouldn't say Markus isn't capable of finishing at the rim. He was very capable in college. I didn't watch him enough in the pros but he shot 53.7% from 2 in his first year (35.5 in his second year).
Well if he can finish at the rim, and we all agree he's a lights out shooter, this NBA thing should be easy.
The easy out for me on this argument...the NBA is pretty good at finding and developing talent. He didn't stick for a reason...if Denver wasn't a great fit...we really believe no other teams realized this and scooped him up?
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I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that’s been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
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I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that’s been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
This describes many NBA teams. There is one an hour and a half south of Milwaukee who could use him as well. NBA GMs are overthinking this or overlooking this.
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Well if he can finish at the rim, and we all agree he's a lights out shooter, this NBA thing should be easy.
Well no, defense is still a thing
The easy out for me on this argument...the NBA is pretty good at finding and developing talent. He didn't stick for a reason...if Denver wasn't a great fit...we really believe no other teams realized this and scooped him up?
IMHO Markus' ceiling is an NBA bench player...and he's not there yet. I don't think NBA teams are in the business of taking young projects whose ceilings are that low. I think NBA teams are happy to sign a guy who is already good enough to play 15-20 minutes off the bench even if he'll never be more than that. They are less likely to sign a guy who may be good enough to play 15-20 minutes off the bench after some development. It's better business to give those spots to young guys with more upside.
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Lot easier to overcome that when you're in Markus' position making a nice 6 figures, living/playing in a mid sized Western European city in an NBA sized arena, etc... Same for someone like Fischer. I think the scenarios you mention happen with guys in the second and third tier leagues who are playing in more off the beaten path areas for much lower salaries and amenities. Big difference between playing in a French/Spanish/Greek city in front of 10K fans than playing in Lithuania/Georgia/Macedonia for a team in a town of 30K people on a court with volleyball/handball lines on it for $4-5K a month.
Good points, Wags.
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5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
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Please, no
I agree. I like a little creativity with court design, but some teams have gone a little too far. TCU's, for example. They ought to broadcast a seizure warning before they show it on TV
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
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5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
And he isn't really 5'11" either.
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I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that’s been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
Markus Howard's career NBA 3FG%: 34.1
Current Bucks with a better 3FG% this year: Green, Lopez, Allen, Carter, Nwora, Holiday.
And there are 10 players with a higher EFG than his career average.
This describes many NBA teams. There is one an hour and a half south of Milwaukee who could use him as well. NBA GMs are overthinking this or overlooking this.
C'mon... Look I know we love our Warriors, but if the take is "the NBA GMs don't know what they are doing," that's a pretty wild statement.
As I said, he will get another shot. But you can't overlook his size.
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I feel like there is a team in Milwaukee that can use him as an off the bench spark this season.
A team that’s been putrid beyond the arc and loves to shoot a ton of 3s.
If Bud won't play Nwora there's no way he'd play Howard.
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And he isn't really 5'11" either.
I know. You would think Muggsy would be more of a fan.
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Markus Howard's career NBA 3FG%: 34.1
Current Bucks with a better 3FG% this year: Green, Lopez, Allen, Carter, Nwora, Holiday.
And there are 10 players with a higher EFG than his career average.
So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
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So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Nice data.
Maybe they can keep him on a side court with a trainer chucking up 3s until he’s ready to come in in the last minute so he’s hot fire
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So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Thanks for the data. If Howard gets a shot he likely will be one of the five best three point shooters in the league let alone on a single team. If he plays 3 minutes at the end of a game you will be able to list average three point shooters on the same team in the same breath as him. I get the height thing. He is so elite as a shooter though I would think someone would give him a shot. I hope he gets a real chance. If I’m proven wrong, I’m ok with that.
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So its interesting, and also kind of a Catch-22.
First off, he was exponentially better in the last month of the 20-21 season and into the playoffs. And in 21-22, he shot 40% from 3, on more attempts.
But here's the Catch-22. In games where he shot 3 or more 3PA, Markus has shot 43% in the NBA. In 21-22, that went up to 46.2% from 3 in those games.
So he's an elite sharpshooter in the NBA when he can get run and rhythm, but off the bench shooters, especially late off the bench shooters, can't be regularly be expecting 3+ looks a game. Unless there are injuries, like late in 20-21 where he exploded a few times. So you have to deliver in 1-2 looks a game which he struggled with (comparatively). His best bet is to get picked up mid/late season by a team with injuries where he can get 20 min a game and shoot the lights out and properly audition for the next season.
Really? I've been told by Scoopers that a player should be able to perform immediately upon insertion into a game and if they don't they should be benched. Further, a player who gets 2-3 minute stints of action should be able to produce at a high level.
Absolutely love that Shaka rarely, if ever, has yanked a guy 2-3 minutes after inserting him. Maybe its happened to Ben Gold a time or two, but Shaka gets it.
As for Markus, I think he's worthy of another shot in the NBA and would like to see him on the Bucks. And I agree that he needs to see 20 minutes per game consistently to see what he can do. Unfortunately, that opportunity doesn't exist on a contending team. So, better off for him to get picked up by a bottom feeder and see what he can do.
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I agree. I like a little creativity with court design, but some teams have gone a little too far. TCU's, for example. They ought to broadcast a seizure warning before they show it on TV
Oregon: we have the ugliest most distracting court!
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/633239/2011-january-13-23-26-46.jpeg.pagespeed.ce.pid5sazvmr_medium.jpg)
TCU: hold my beer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
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Oregon: we have the ugliest most distracting court!
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/633239/2011-january-13-23-26-46.jpeg.pagespeed.ce.pid5sazvmr_medium.jpg)
TCU: hold my beer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjcTZyhUwAMQarG?format=jpg&name=small)
Northern Illinois has to be up there
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Really? I've been told by Scoopers that a player should be able to perform immediately upon insertion into a game and if they don't they should be benched. Further, a player who gets 2-3 minute stints of action should be able to produce at a high level.
Absolutely love that Shaka rarely, if ever, has yanked a guy 2-3 minutes after inserting him. Maybe its happened to Ben Gold a time or two, but Shaka gets it.
I like that Shaka lets guys get in the flow, too, though he probably has a quicker hook at times than you think.
For example, Sean Jones entered the Providence game at the 16:00 mark of the second half, committed a foul, was out of position on another play, and was sat down at the 14:54 mark.
Then, after that 1 minute, 6 second stretch, Jones didn't play again until Shaka put him in with 4 seconds left in regulation -- and asked him to "produce at a high level" with the game on the line.
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Northern Illinois has to be up there
Seriously, if we can't have the bumblebee uniforms, then similar rules need to apply to courts.
Also, it's only a matter of time before someone has a center court logo that touches the 3-point line on each end of the court. You heard it here first.
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5'11 is 5'11. I loved Markus, but I never thought he could make it in the NBA at 5'11. He made it, he just couldn't stick. If he was 6'3, second coming of Steph Curry.
Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
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Yes. Doing him the courtesy of not calling him a liar.
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Seriously, if we can't have the bumblebee uniforms, then similar rules need to apply to courts.
Also, it's only a matter of time before someone has a center court logo that touches the 3-point line on each end of the court. You heard it here first.
Agree totally. I would like to see solid color in the paint-no designs. Rest of court-confine designs to specific portion of the court designated. Then a team could have whatever design they want, but only in the designated areas. Trying to regulate the allowable designs themselves is much more difficult than that of unis.
And then there's PC's court. They play 10 conference games and a slew of non-cons there, so they have experience with the watery court. The fact that there is not another large arena in Providence should not be accepted as an excuse. That should be their problem, not the rest of us. Every year we hear that they have new equipment and have solved the problem. Every year they fail. Let them play on their on-campus court.
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Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
Howard was measured at 5 11 at the draft combine.
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If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
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I’m 5’11” without shoes and got a picture with Markus. I was no taller than him. Didn’t notice his shoes but I doubt he was in platform shoes.
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If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
Show us the stats. That’s pretty interesting.
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I like that Shaka lets guys get in the flow, too, though he probably has a quicker hook at times than you think.
For example, Sean Jones entered the Providence game at the 16:00 mark of the second half, committed a foul, was out of position on another play, and was sat down at the 14:54 mark.
Then, after that 1 minute, 6 second stretch, Jones didn't play again until Shaka put him in with 4 seconds left in regulation -- and asked him to "produce at a high level" with the game on the line.
Yup. Guys get yanked quickly when they come in and make dumb mistakes. Can't afford to let second string players get in the flow if that process means turning the ball over in short order.
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Markus is closer to 5'8 then he is 5'11.
Yep. So is Sean Jones.
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Measured 5’9.5” barefoot, 5’11” with shoes. 6’0.25” wingspan. Aka too little.
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Show us the stats. That’s pretty interesting.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
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Measured 5’9.5” barefoot, 5’11” with shoes. 6’0.25” wingspan. Aka too little.
Thank goodness he gets to wear shoes when he plays or they wouldn't let him on the court in Europe, either!
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Agree totally. I would like to see solid color in the paint-no designs. Rest of court-confine designs to specific portion of the court designated. Then a team could have whatever design they want, but only in the designated areas. Trying to regulate the allowable designs themselves is much more difficult than that of unis.
How boring.
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https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
Thank you.
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https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Markus-Howard/Summary/81690
Scroll all the way down to International advanced stats and look at PPR/ORTG/DRTG. Consider the (high) Usage level.
A PER over 20 is pretty good
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Measured 5’9.5” barefoot, 5’11” with shoes. 6’0.25” wingspan. Aka too little.
Markus has 4 inches of hair too. So 6'2.5" barefoot with hair, 6'3" with shoes and hair.
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How boring.
All courts should look like Hoosiers.
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A PER over 20 is pretty good
Yea, his PER would currently be top 25 in the NBA. And his DRTG isn't great, but its not all that far off the NBA average.
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Swaggy Du is having an excellent season in the Italian League. He has been steadily working his way up the pecking order of the European leagues .
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
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If you look at Markus' advanced stats in Europe they show he's not involved in Defense nor does he make the team's offense better. He's just a shooter/scorer. Nothing more.
I think we knew that... but if Euro stats prove it, there's no way he gets another shot in the NBA.
I'm curious why you think a player that rarely turns it over, has a 113+ ORtg, shoots 46% from three with over 60 eFG%, and does it at crazy usage levels doesn't help his team on offense.
The defensive numbers are hard to evaluate without seeing full team numbers or long term on/off splits, but the advanced stats on offense definitely do not show what you say they show.
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All courts should look like Hoosiers.
TCU’s court is awesome on television.
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Yes it is.
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I’m 5’11” without shoes and got a picture with Markus. I was no taller than him. Didn’t notice his shoes but I doubt he was in platform shoes.
Three possibilities:
A) You don’t know your own height.
B) You’re mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams “C”.
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Three possibilities:
A) You don’t know your own height.
B) You’re mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams “C”.
Markus did measure 5’11” in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
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Three possibilities:
A) You don’t know your own height.
B) You’re mistaken that you were no taller.
C) A and B
Posting history screams “C”.
Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
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Markus did measure 5’11” in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
Do they check for lifts?
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Markus out for a bit
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1447683/baskonia-rules-out-markus-howard-versus-partizan-euroleague/
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Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
LOL. I’m not on Scoop 16 hours a day like you. I don’t have alerts so I can stalk posters and respond immediately like you. Sometimes I have to go back two or three days to get caught up. When I read something for the first time, sometimes I reply. That OK with you, fluffy little one?
(Rhetorical question, please don’t waste anyone’s time with an inane, trying desperately to be clever reply)
Want to know pathetic? The fact that MU SCOOP is the center of your universe. Good God.
Oh, and no way MH is that tall (5’11” without shoes).
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Markus did measure 5’11” in shoes at the Draft Combine. So probably not super far off.
Bias said 5’11” in bare feet
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LOL. I’m not on Scoop 16 hours a day like you. I don’t have alerts so I can stalk posters and respond immediately like you. Sometimes I have to go back two or three days to get caught up. When I read something for the first time, sometimes I reply. That OK with you, fluffy little one?
(Rhetorical question, please don’t waste anyone’s time with an inane, trying desperately to be clever reply)
Want to know pathetic? The fact that MU SCOOP is the center of your universe. Good God.
Oh, and no way MH is that tall (5’11” without shoes).
You're lying.
You responded to a post from January 9th. Yet somehow you've made 15 posts since withoutbias made his post? Face it, you just wanted to find one of his posts to respond to because you wanted to pile on cause he said something you didn't like.
So dishonest. And transparently so. I mean, you aren't even a clever liar.
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You're lying.
You responded to a post from January 9th. Yet somehow you've made 15 posts since withoutbias made his post? Face it, you just wanted to find one of his posts to respond to because you wanted to pile on cause he said something you didn't like.
So dishonest. And transparently so. I mean, you aren't even a clever liar.
I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I’ve caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
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I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I’ve caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
what??? you don't have a separate phone hanging from your belt with only scoop on it?? come on man! join the scoop-aholics where it's always "happy hour"
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I responded to it today because today was the first time I saw it. Since I have hobbies other than Scoop when I fall behind I start with the last posts I see in threads and go backwards until I’ve caught up. When I see one I want to reply to, I do.
So no lies. But stick with your stalking and pathetic conspiracy theories. They suit you.
You’re not even a GOOD liar.
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Markus out for a bit
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1447683/baskonia-rules-out-markus-howard-versus-partizan-euroleague/
I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
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Probably lyin', aina?
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I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
Did you know he was 17 years old as a freshman?
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You’re not even a GOOD liar.
Of course I’m not. Being GOOD at something requires practice and repetition. Since I’m not a liar at all, there’s no way I would become GOOD at it. Thank you for noticing.
You, OTOH, are an EXCELLENT at stalking and inserting yourself into other people’s back and forth. Congratulations!
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Of course I’m not. Being GOOD at something requires practice and repetition. Since I’m not a liar at all, there’s no way I would become GOOD at it. Thank you for noticing.
You, OTOH, are an EXCELLENT at stalking and inserting yourself into other people’s back and forth. Congratulations!
Yep. I call out liars.
If you want to lie without being called out, lie in a PM. Don’t lie on a public message board.
Liar.
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Markus is a great representative of the university and the school should be proud he’s an alum
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Lol. You quote a post from a few days ago for the sole purpose of calling out the poster? Even though looks like he is correct anyway?
Puh-thetic.
Oh, and by the way, how is Bias “correct anyway”? He says he (5’11” in bare feet) is the same height as Markus (per Wades and the NBA, 5’11” IN SHOES).
So, just another lie being pushed by the lyin’ fluffer.
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Oh, and by the way, how is Bias “correct anyway”? He says he (5’11” in bare feet) is the same height as Markus (per Wades and the NBA, 5’11” IN SHOES).
So, just another lie being pushed by the lyin’ fluffer.
I said “even though it looks like he’s correct.” As opposed to your assertion that bias doesn’t know how tall he is. 🙄🙄🙄
Reading. Is. Fundamental.
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Man what a good thread.
Davante Gardner with one of the top 3 pointers of the week in B League Intl
https://www.youtube.com/v/LsdVPox7Pao
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Man what a good thread.
Davante Gardner with one of the top 3 pointers of the week in B League Intl
https://www.youtube.com/v/LsdVPox7Pao
No D in Avante
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I said “even though it looks like he’s correct.” As opposed to your assertion that bias doesn’t know how tall he is. 🙄🙄🙄
Reading. Is. Fundamental.
LMAO you guys this is so stupid, please just stop.
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I can't believe that Markus is only 23 years old.
Pretty sure he's still 17.
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DJO has suffered another injury regarding surgery. This is on the heels of him recovering from a torn Achilles. DJO working very hard to come back again. I am rooting for him.
Post from his Instagram below giving Details
kingmedj_1
Verified
This is not a post to feel sorry for me. Just how I’m feeling, maybe somebody feels the same. I suffered a injury that will take some time. And I was just going hang ‘em up cuz it requires surgery, mentally I was checked out after fighting to come back from Achilles injury in 7 months from the outside people will never know those days of thinking you can’t do it or be the same player but to do it and come back then get hurt again was just too much to fathom. My passion, love, competitiveness that I have and have had for 11 years in my eyes is not like no other. I pride myself on those things and a lot ppl will tell you DJ a dawg, crazy, menace etc. I don’t care cuz my objective is to test my craft at the highest everyday and win. I have a handful of hoop friends and reason why is I’m too competitive I don’t want to kick it I really want to go to the gym and and see what you got, learn etc. Im not getting up at 530 and ending my day in lifetime and back at my garage lifting weights after midnight. If you love something put your unnatural carnal knowledgeing all into it kid and live with the results.Thankful for the ones around me to give me answers just not for me but for Demi. My mother Carolyn and I have not had the best relationship these past two years, we was at the point where we haven’t even hug for two years. She gave me a call and said “you are my first born, you are not a quitter, don’t worry I got you” and as emotional as am that meant the world. So hug your mom cuz I know Imma make sure I do. Then I looked at Demi and Thought I quit now she will too when she get to that point where she has doubts. It’s more her than me and I have to show her quitting isn’t a option when your passion and love for it is in it still. I’ll be back better than ever mentally, physically. I’m thankful that the big fella know who I am. My circle thank you all too. Final push will be the hardest but it’s a test. Mentally, physically, spiritually. I’m ready more than ever.
2w
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https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1622614254821036033?s=46&t=zlYxruRSgMKOqwZd0xSq7A
Markus setting historical records in the Spanish league, becoming the first player to score 30 points in less than 20 minutes.
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https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1622614254821036033?s=46&t=zlYxruRSgMKOqwZd0xSq7A
Markus setting historical records in the Spanish league, becoming the first player to score 30 points in less than 20 minutes.
Markus playing a lot of games in this league. Had a lot of high scoring games.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Markus-Howard/337691
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Markus 8th in scoring in The EuroLeague
https://m.basketnews.com/players/34840-markus-howard.html
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Imagine how much higher he would be if he knew ball
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Markus 8th in scoring in The EuroLeague
https://m.basketnews.com/players/34840-markus-howard.html
If teammates write a letter, will it be translated?
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Markus doing Markus things- 30 pts in 22 minutes, beating Ethan Happ's team
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp)
Interesting game May 11. Markus playing Henry Ellenson.
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Markus doing Markus things- 30 pts in 22 minutes, beating Ethan Happ's team
https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp (https://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2023/0430_108_259.asp)
Interesting game May 11. Markus playing Henry Ellenson.
Thanks for the link. 8-of-13 from 3 for MU's all-time scoring leader.
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Being a teammate of Markus must be insufferable.
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Earlier this week, Markus' Baskonia team was upset in the first round of the Spanish League playoffs, despite being the #2 seed. The good news in their league position qualified them for next season's EuroLeague.
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Vander had a solid season Playing for Al Sadd in the Quatar Basketball League. Team finished third overall.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/player/Vander-Blue/197724
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Earlier this week, Markus' Baskonia team was upset in the first round of the Spanish League playoffs, despite being the #2 seed. The good news in their league position qualified them for next season's EuroLeague.
I see Markus racked up 1 assist in the two game sweep.
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I see Markus racked up 1 assist in the two game sweep.
They don't pay him to pass the ball.
His season stats for Spanish League games were:
19.6 minutes
16.5 pts
54% 2 pt
42.4 3 pt
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They don't pay him to pass the ball.
His season stats for Spanish League games were:
19.6 minutes
16.5 pts
54% 2 pt
42.4 3 pt
His teammates need to show leadership and white letters
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'Write', but perhaps you were going in a different direction.
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'Write', but perhaps you were going in a different direction.
I stand by what I wrote
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His teammates need to show leadership and white letters
Freudian slip?
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Vander’s team Al Sadd won the Qatar Championship. Vander seems to be around a lot of winning teams in his journey.
https://twitter.com/PipuCuore/status/1669628994935836672?cxt=HHwWgMC-3bGu26suAAAA
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Henry Ellenson now in Japanese League . Unfortunately , Henry was not an outstanding performer in The Spanish League and is now going down a level. Should be able to do well in Japan, as Davante has done over many years.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/817263/Henry-Ellenson-(ex-Joventut)-signs-at-Cyberdyne-Ibaraki-Robots
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
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Swaggy having another productive season in Europe. He has carved out a nice niche for himself. Progressing each year to more competitive leagues.
Delighted to see him doing so well.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
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Swaggy having another productive season in Europe. He has carved out a nice niche for himself. Progressing each year to more competitive leagues.
Delighted to see him doing so well.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
Swaggy was coaching my grandson this summer, totally impressed with his teachings. Will be a good coach once he retires!
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BC
How is the grandson's game looking?
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BC
How is the grandson's game looking?
Had a great summer, MVP at most summer camps, last year won the high school group playing up, now playing with the 6th graders. A name in the future is Elgin Cooks son, really has big upside best 6th grader in the state. They play together on the Nicolet team.
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Had a great summer, MVP at most summer camps, last year won the high school group playing up, now playing with the 6th graders. A name in the future is Elgin Cooks son, really has big upside best 6th grader in the state. They play together on the Nicolet team.
That's really cool, BC.
I still miss watching my kids play ... and I'm looking forward to the grandkids starting to play in a year or three!
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That's really cool, BC.
I still miss watching my kids play ... and I'm looking forward to the grandkids starting to play in a year or three!
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Thanks, fun to see how kids really improve from one year to the next.
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BC
I have to come see him play one of these days. I know you are high on Cook's son and would like to see him as well.
What do you think about the MU team and the season outlook?
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They play on Sundays, I will find a game when they play in Tosa or Brookfield. The three will take this team as far as they can go, hope in the tourney they shoot the ball well. Let’s see how they do against the Illini and UCLA, know more then, still soft upfront, needed to recruit a David Boone type, did not happen. If there all clicking, they would be tough to beat.
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BC
Sounds good on a Tosa or Brookfield game. I agree that if they are clicking that they will be tough to beat. I agree on the soft part but think the maturity and talent on the team covers up a lot. While it was not a clinic last night, they sure have confident look to them. They have a look of a top five team to me and I think that means a lot.
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No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
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BC
I will check my email!
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BC
I will check my email!
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I sent to your phone! Just curious
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BC
I did not get a text. Want me to PM my number again.
Also, still pimping for Goolsby’s!!
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Interesting, resend me a text, new item at Goolsbys will be a Warrior sweatshirt, will be selling at next game!
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No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
"I have been thinking about you a whole lot"
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No doubt, sent some pictures to you, did you get them?
Hopefully, BC doesn't stand for Brett's C___
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"I have been thinking about you a whole lot"
Well played.
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Crean sucks
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BC
I did not get a text. Want me to PM my number again.
Also, still pimping for Goolsby’s!!
Send a text or email, whatever, tried calling, number is wrong
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Sent you a PM with my number
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Howard brothers meet up.
https://x.com/acbcom/status/1723708209582465517?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
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Markus Howard requesting to have his sports "citizenship" moved to Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/Auto1974/status/1722909879008899179
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Howard brothers meet up.
https://x.com/acbcom/status/1723708209582465517?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Jordan scored 22 for the win. Marcus had 33 in the loss
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Jordan scored 22 for the win. Marcus had 33 in the loss
How many did Markus put up?
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How many did Markus put up?
Sorry, in lieu of his possible new citizenship, it is Marcos
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Markus Howard requesting to have his sports "citizenship" moved to Puerto Rico
https://twitter.com/Auto1974/status/1722909879008899179
Wants to pull a Butch Lee at the Olympics
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How does that work? Is every US citizen able to claim Puerto Rican athletic citizenship? Do you need some sort of connection to the island?
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Sorry, in lieu of his possible new citizenship, it is Marcos
Nope....Markos.
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Nope....Markos.
Not according to google
https://www.google.com/search?q=markus+to+spanish&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS994US994&oq=markus+to+spanish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCDYxOTVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=markus+to+spanish&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS994US994&oq=markus+to+spanish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCDYxOTVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
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How does that work? Is every US citizen able to claim Puerto Rican athletic citizenship? Do you need some sort of connection to the island?
He has Puerto Rican ancestry on his mom's side.
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Swaggy Du having another excellent season in Europe in German A League. Has been working his way up the league hierarchy in Europe.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Duane-Wilson/299813
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Henry Ellenson now in Japanese League . Unfortunately , Henry was not an outstanding performer in The Spanish League and is now going down a level. Should be able to do well in Japan, as Davante has done over many years.
https://basketball.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/817263/Henry-Ellenson-(ex-Joventut)-signs-at-Cyberdyne-Ibaraki-Robots
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Henry-Ellenson/334250
Henry cut from Japanese team. Did not appear in any games. Must have been injured. Hopefully he finds a new home.
https://www.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/847206/Robots-cut-Ellenson
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Greg playing well in Danish league. Good start to his overseas career.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Greg-Elliott/450206
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Greg playing well in Danish league. Good start to his overseas career.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Greg-Elliott/450206
Lists college as Pitt, sad
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Henry cut from Japanese team. Did not appear in any games. Must have been injured. Hopefully he finds a new home.
https://www.asia-basket.com/Japan/news/847206/Robots-cut-Ellenson
Ha...Henry was cut from the "Robots". Seemingly a perfect fit.
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Ha...Henry was cut from the "Robots". Seemingly a perfect fit.
Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
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Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
Meh. He made $6MM before turning 25 years old, all playing a sport. He did just fine, and sticking around in college wasn't going to change his career trajectory.
We would've been brutally awful without him. Luke Fischer and Haanif Cheatham were our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers that year.
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Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
You're too hard on him.
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Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
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I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
It also ended really poorly when Wojo cut Wally after Henry left. Would have been cool if Henry stuck around one more year as that team would have been really fun. Can’t pass up being a first rounder though.
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It also ended really poorly when Wojo cut Wally after Henry left. Would have been cool if Henry stuck around one more year as that team would have been really fun. Can’t pass up being a first rounder though.
Well Woj told Wally either full commit to basketball or high jump, but in a way yes he cut him. Smoke & mirrors
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Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us. Felt like he and his family pushed Wojo around. Overrated. The next thought is I'm too hard on the guy. At least he's seen the world. So I hope he finds success in life.
Yes, you’re being way too hard on Henry. Averaged 17 and just under 10, first team all conference & freshman of the year. We won 20 games with him, including a great win in Madison and knocking off top 10 Providence on the road. Pretty amazing considering how bad a coach Wojo was and how young they were.
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I think part of it is part the idea that he set us back on team/coach development and part that he got us to a 20 win season with some great wins and yet zero postseason to show for it.
Wojo was responsible for team/ coach development. He was paid very well to do so and failed miserably at it. I don’t how that would possibly be on Henry. What, he owed the program and fans something to stay at least another year? It was well understood when he joined MU he may be a one and done. He was top 10 nationally in his class and a McDonald’s AA. Many of those guys aren’t in college long. He bet in himself to be a first round pick and was right.
Any failure after that is on Wojo, his staff, and players, not Henry having the audacity to take his NBA shot. It’s ludicrous to say otherwise. And any argument we should have never taken him knowing he would probably leave after 1 year is just as ludicrous. You don’t say no, not interested to consensus top 10 national players.
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Why do I have this negative vibe whenever I think of Ellenson. Felt like he used us.
Imagine that ... a top-tier college athlete "using" his chosen program to succeed personally. Because college programs don't "use" athletes at all.
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Wojo was responsible for team/ coach development. He was paid very well to do so and failed miserably at it. I don’t how that would possibly be on Henry. What, he owed the program and fans something to stay at least another year? It was well understood when he joined MU he may be a one and done. He was top 10 nationally in his class and a McDonald’s AA. Many of those guys aren’t in college long. He bet in himself to be a first round pick and was right.
Any failure after that is on Wojo, his staff, and players, not Henry having the audacity to take his NBA shot. It’s ludicrous to say otherwise. And any argument we should have never taken him knowing he would probably leave after 1 year is just as ludicrous. You don’t say no, not interested to consensus top 10 national players.
While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
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While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
That wasn’t my point though. It was this stupid notion that Ellenson failed the program and set it back a couple, few years.
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That wasn’t my point though. It was this stupid notion that Ellenson failed the program and set it back a couple, few years.
I think you misinterpreted it. He may not be responsible, and I agree that it's ultimately on Wojo but his presence DID set team growth back and whether or not it's warranted part of that frustration was bound to be directed toward Henry.
As far as your notion of whether or not to accept a player who's top 10, we'll agree to disagree at the time I'd have agreed but with the added advantage of hindsight I think we'd have been better in 2017 & 2018 without Henry.
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While I agree with what you said, he did not develop any further after Wojo either.
As talented as he was, he was soft.
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As talented as he was, he was soft.
Typical Wisconsin soft high schooler from the sticks
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Henry was drafted by the Pistons. I watched him several times when the Pistons G League affiliate was in town. My impression of him was that he hadn't progressed. Could still fill up a stat sheet. Struggled with the athleticism of G league forwards. Struggled to defend. Struggled with figuring out how to use his teammates, how to make them better. Would still grab a defensive rebound, bring it up court and ultimately take a shot without a teammate touching the ball.
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Typical Wisconsin soft high schooler from the sticks
Are you tryin' ta say honkies are soft, hey?
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Jose Perez, in a shocking turn of events, is leaving his studies behind and skipping out on ASU to play overseas, effective immediately. #muMbb has yet another pro alumnus!
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Jose Perez, in a shocking turn of events, is leaving his studies behind and skipping out on ASU to play overseas, effective immediately. #muMbb has yet another pro alumnus!
Incredible Quote from Jose in this article :
“There’s a thin line between loyalty and stupidity," Perez posted on Instagram. "I’m going to be loyal, but I’m not going to be stupid. I’m not going to be so loyal that I betray myself.”
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Markus scoring like Markus can. 37 in the win
https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain (https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain)
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Markus scoring like Markus can. 37 in the win
https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain (https://www.eurobasket.com/Basketball-Box-Score.aspx?Game=2024_0310_108_100-Spain)
22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
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22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
And Ricky Rubio
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22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
Spain league is a very strong league and a lot of money available.
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22 three point attempts for Markus. Made 8.
Also the other team had Jabari Parker and satoransky. Good league.
36% from 3, above 35% is money. As far as I know no whining white kid (or mother) wrote a letter