https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1250577949742567424?s=21
Good work Stan. Oh wait
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HUGE game changer. Absolutely massive.
NICE!!! He was the prize. Way to go, Wojo! 8-)
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 15, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HUGE game changer. Absolutely massive.
Hope he's eligible.
unnatural carnal knowledge yes
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Hell yeah. Massive get for Wojo. Let's get Mane now and roll.
Let's goooooooo
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Good work Stan. Oh wait
DJ doesn't know Stan is gone yet. Sh1t.
LFG. Huge get.
Great news
In his commitment Snap, he is wearing #3. That's what he wore at OSU, but I wonder if Marquette is going to let him wear it.
Very clear to see it's so easy to recruit against Wojo. No way Wojo ever lands a good recruit again without Stan doing all the work.
PSYCH!
This is all I wanted this offseason. Come on down Jonah.
Absolutely great news. I wonder if this is what pushed Turner and Burton away.
Quote from: MU_Beav on April 15, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1250577949742567424?s=21
Thank You!
unnatural carnal knowledge YES!!!!!!!
Was taken aback last year in the few times that I watched him play. I knew he was highly rated, but was blown away with how good he was. Best player on the court each time i watched him. Was very impressed with his composure, physicality, and skill set.
This makes me berry berrry berrrrry happy.
I truly believe this was the unquestioned most valuable player in the transfer portal this season. Huge pickup for the team. I assume he will apply for a waiver. No idea if he will be granted one, but based on the limited information we have, seems at least like a strong possibility.
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
Boom!
Wojo always gets his man.
/ducks
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
Don't waste a precious resource these days.
Excellent news
Maybe MU was the one that told Burton and Turner no?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
Toothbrushes stuck in the turf , get after it floss jockey.
HELL YEA
Couch Daddy may yell at me - but IDGAF.
Hope like hell we can get Carton eligible for next year. Would be just a massive development.
Quote from: Archies Bat on April 15, 2020, 07:25:51 PM
Don't waste a precious resource these days.
Don't sweat it bruh... tp will be seldom used when there's no food left due to supply chain issues.. #smithfield #LastDays #BreadLongLinesWithSpacing
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
I'll join you. Plenty of space for social distancing. He'll appreciate the TP.
Huge get....welcome DJ!!
Might have to change that jersey number, but otherwise looking good.
https://twitter.com/DJCarton/status/1250578095112929281
Huge win for Wojo. Needed guy of this quality so badly. Great night. 😀
@jakeweingarten: And for the 'this means they're out on Karim Mane' crowd, they most definitely aren't. They're still fully pursuing Mane especially after their virtual visit yesterday, a source told @Stockrisers. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1250578226415575040
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2020, 07:20:11 PM
In his commitment Snap, he is wearing #3. That's what he wore at OSU, but I wonder if Marquette is going to let him wear it.
I'm sorry and all due respect to DJ, no. You don't give one of our Mt Rushmore players number away.
Hope he gets his first option choice
About 3 hours ago, a lot of people on here thought he was gone
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on April 15, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
About 3 hours ago, a lot of people on here thought he was gone
I believe the proper term is gowne.
I was holding onto this thought, but I do truly believe the fact DeJulius postponed his announcement, and Carton committing are 100% related.
Has anyone checked in on how Sam Hauser feels about this?
T Rank
It will be great if he can play this fall!!
If nothing else, this is going to be the most interesting MU team since the three amigos. Carton is no joke, he is a Dude.
Assuming he's eligible next season (and there is a season), I have no idea what this MU team will look like on the floor, but there'll be a much higher level of intrigue here. I have no idea if they'll be good, but there's a lot of sizzle there.
Good news!?!? Faints
Congratulations Coach. Welcome to Marquette DJ. Hope you are eligible to play next season.
Holy Sheet!!
Wow--welcome DJ!!
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 15, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
Maybe MU was the one that told Burton and Turner no?
I would certainly hope not for a lot of reasons. I'm sure they didn't
WAY TO GO WOJO, A LOT OF US STILL BELIEVE! WELCOME DJ, SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU IN THE FAMILY!
Quote from: MU_Beav on April 15, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1250577949742567424?s=21
A verbal? Only a Verbal? Wojo sucks!!!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
Just leave the rolls. That stuff is valuable.
Great news.
Looked back at his recruitment. Camped with Marquette and UW-Madison. Wojo did an in-home in Spring of '18 and DJ took an unofficial for March Madness. Thought he'd end up at Michigan and Ohio swooped in late. Makes me realize that recruiting is a tough, strange and frustrating thing but not to burn bridges because you never know when you'll cross them again
Good job to Wojo and company. I'm off his train but will be happy with a surprising post Markus season with DJ and Garcia.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
Very clear to see it's so easy to recruit against Wojo. No way Wojo ever lands a good recruit again without Stan doing all the work.
PSYCH!
This is all I wanted this offseason. Come on down Jonah.
Haven't looked is Aircraftcarrier around?
Quote from: muguru on April 15, 2020, 07:21:20 PM
unnatural carnal knowledge YES!!!!!!!
Dude don't die on us due to arritmia
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props. Thinkin' 'bout tpin' his crib, hey?
Weak
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
Has anyone checked in on how Sam Hauser feels about this?
Probably stopped following him
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 15, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
I'm sorry and all due respect to DJ, no. You don't give one of our Mt Rushmore players number away.
Hope he gets his first option choice
It was Crean that said you retire the jersey not the number, when he let Hayward wear George Thompson's number.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 15, 2020, 07:38:46 PM
Huge win for Wojo. Needed guy of this quality so badly. Great night. 😀
Didn't Wojo suck???
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
Has anyone checked in on how Sam Hauser feels about this?
Unliked
Quote from: MU_Beav on April 15, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1250577949742567424?s=21
Did Sam and Joey hit the "dislike" button?
Holy crap. That is big news! Welcome aboard!
Way to go Wojo! Great news. Now, comes the coaching part. What are the chances he gets eligibility waiver (if there is a season this year)?
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
Didn't Wojo suck???
Well, considering we didn't finish above .500 in Big East with Markus, and one of the oldest rosters in Big East, not sure it is time to get out the anointing oil.
Huge pickup for us though, and badly needed with the massive hole left by Markus.
Very nice get! Happy for the program and Wojo. Whether you like him or not he puts in the work. Congratulations.
Someone posted our rating with different transfer scenarios. Can't find it. What is our before/after with Carton?
Thanks.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
I should have said immediately eligible as a transfer.
Most likely yes prob 90%
Great news!
Welcome to Marquette, DJ!
Of course Potrykus has to write the article this week, and just can't help himself from tweaking MU fans..
He could file for a wavier to play immediately in 2020-21 but is also reportedly considering a pro career if he does not receive a waiver.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
Well, considering we didn't finish above .500 in Big East with Markus, and one of the oldest rosters in Big East, not sure it is time to get out the anointing oil.
Huge pickup for us though, and badly needed with the massive hole left by Markus.
I know Wojo didn't dunk in high school like you. So sad!!
If anyone is interested in what Marquette is getting in Carton, I dug into the advanced numbers a bit:
https://twitter.com/brewcity1977/status/1250587288792334337?s=21
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Quote from: Jables1604 on April 15, 2020, 08:29:47 PM
Someone posted our rating with different transfer scenarios. Can't find it. What is our before/after with Carton?
Thanks.
It's in the Twitter thread I posted above. Jumps up from 78 to 53 according to T-Rank.
Quote from: muguru on April 15, 2020, 08:34:41 PM
Of course Potrykus has to write the article this week, and just can't help himself from tweaking MU fans..
He could file for a wavier to play immediately in 2020-21 but is also reportedly considering a pro career if he does not receive a waiver.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/
Yes unfortunately Steele is in furlough for a week
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
It's in the Twitter thread I posted above. Jumps up from 78 to 53 according to T-Rank.
Thanks Brew.
Let's face it, this has been a tough month plus for the fans and Wojo has taken a lot of heat (I won't comment as to whether or not he deserved it). One thing no one can deny, Wojo and his staff work their tails off and at time like this there's a BIG payoff. A huge void on this team has been filled. Congrats and welcome to the team DJ!
Excellent news
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
It's in the Twitter thread I posted above. Jumps up from 78 to 53 according to T-Rank.
Huge. Puts us near the bubble. Hopefully Carton stays for two seasons.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 08:42:21 PM
Huge. Puts us near the bubble. Hopefully Carton stays for two seasons.
Enjoy by yourself
Quote from: muguru on April 15, 2020, 08:34:41 PM
Of course Potrykus has to write the article this week, and just can't help himself from tweaking MU fans..
He could file for a wavier to play immediately in 2020-21 but is also reportedly considering a pro career if he does not receive a waiver.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/
Not sure how that's tweaking. Just reporting what was speculated.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 15, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
I would certainly hope not for a lot of reasons. I'm sure they didn't
Ya that would be really dumb, a backcourt of carton n turner would be incredible!!
So DJ left Ohio State due to mental health issues, which of course is a topic Howard was very outspoken about. Did this have any part in DJs decision? Does Marquette have any student mental health programs that perhaps other universities don't have?
Quote from: CrowdOf5 on April 15, 2020, 08:45:12 PM
So DJ left Ohio State due to mental health issues, which of course is a topic Howard was very outspoken about. Did this have any part in DJs decision? Does Marquette have any student mental health programs that perhaps other universities don't have?
Being closer to home is one of the considerations.
MASSIVE GET HOLY SHIIT!!!!
Dope
What Nickel and Johnny said.
Have to admit--SURPRISED! Hope he's eligible for this year. Now if MANE
says MU. Still not on the Wojo and staff bandwagon but they did reel in
a GREAT class of recruits. Now if CARTON is eligible. Hope Wojo doesn't screw it up with his coaching.
Obviously the waiver is a big hurdle, but provided it's granted...when's the last time Marquette had 2 top 30 recruits on the floor together?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Happy to give Woj his props.
Good for you, Doc. I know it wasn't easy for you to have to put away the green wienie.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 08:42:21 PM
Huge. Puts us near the bubble.
You can't enjoy anything. Must be sad to be so filled with hate. Go find willie and commiserate.
Great get by the coaching staff. Some members here cannot be happy no matter what.
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 08:13:03 PM
Haven't looked is Aircraftcarrier around?
Listing and taking on water.
Great get.
Why do we think he'll get a waiver?
Quote from: The Lens on April 15, 2020, 09:25:51 PM
Great get.
Why do we think he'll get a waiver?
Very publicly left OSU due to confront his mental health issues. Received a ton of publicity, from mainstream sports news to podcasts to television. Both Chris Holtmann and Carton's mother spoke out publicly about the issues he was dealing with, expressing their support. The Ohio State community strongly lined up behind Carton as he took his leave from the team.
I didn't think Carton was going to transfer, but it was clear on February 1 that if anyone was going to be granted a waiver this year, it was going to be DJ Carton, especially if he transferred closer to home. It's a high profile player who went through a high profile situation and had the support of his family and team behind him in a very public way. I don't think there's any way the NCAA turns that one down. Especially with how liberally they granted basketball waivers last year and the increased stresses on the system from COVID-19.
If Mane committs could our Top 5 in minutes next year be newcomers?
This is great for the program. I hope the young man gets the support he needs at MU and can excel on the court.
The dark side of this is it means the offense won't change. MU will have a ball dominant PG again, not enough ball movement, possibility of too much hero ball.
The bright side is that this guy has much better assist ratio than previous MU ball dominant PG's which, if the other guys make their shots, could be pretty to watch. He's also bigger and longer than the last two ball dominant PG's.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 15, 2020, 09:39:48 PM
If Mane committs could our Top 5 in minutes next year be newcomers?
No chance.
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 09:23:53 PM
Good for you, Doc. I know it wasn't easy for you to have to put away the green wienie.
You can't enjoy anything. Must be sad to be so filled with hate. Go find willie and commiserate.
Dramatic much? Drama Queen: Synonyms: MU82, MU82, MU82.
For a journalist of your caliber and your quest for the truth and facts at all times, not sure how you get that I'm "so filled with hate," because Carton elevates us to a bubble team? That's great, considering how things were looking.
Go have a beer, get some, and calm down.
Not to take away from the moment, but I do find myself wondering how good this past season could have been if Carton had committed to us straight out of high school. Starting backcourt of Carton, Howard, and Anim with Koby coming off the bench instead of playing major minutes? That could have been something to see.
Of course, it would have ended the same way regardless
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 15, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
Not to take away from the moment, but I do find myself wondering how good this past season could have been if Carton had committed to us straight out of high school. Starting backcourt of Carton, Howard, and Anim with Koby coming off the bench instead of playing major minutes? That could have been something to see.
Of course, it would have ended the same way regardless
So instead of just getting our hearts ripped out, they'd have gotten ripped out, stomped on, and then cast into the Milwaukee River?
Quote from: muguru on April 15, 2020, 08:34:41 PM
Of course Potrykus has to write the article this week, and just can't help himself from tweaking MU fans..
He could file for a wavier to play immediately in 2020-21 but is also reportedly considering a pro career if he does not receive a waiver.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/
Potrykus has taken the role from Tom Oates as the biggest douche in Wisconsin. What a complete dick.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 15, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Potrykus has taken the role from Tom Oates as the biggest douche in Wisconsin. What a complete dick.
Amen about Potrykus. I have no beef with Oates though
Wow. If immediately eligible, this class is surely at least top 10. If we add Mane, it becomes Marquette's version of the Fab 5.
Either way, major props to Wojo. I was interested but concerned about the the upcoming season. Now I'm interested and excited. Karim Mane, c'mon down!
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 15, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
Amen about Potrykus. I have no beef with Oates though
Mine is just the opposite
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 09:51:31 PM
For a journalist of your caliber and your quest for the truth and facts at all times, not sure how you get that I'm "so filled with hate," because Carton elevates us to a bubble team? That's great, considering how things were looking.
Go have a beer, get some, and calm down.
You know what, Ners? I shouldn't have used the word "hate." It was too strong, and I have no proof that you hate Wojo or anybody else.
But here we are, trying to enjoy that our alma mater landed the best transfer on the market to cap one of the best recruiting classes in the country, and all you can do is take a dump on it.
The "bubble" comment was your third of the thread so far, and all of them took shots at Wojo. Even some of Wojo's biggest Scoop critics resisted doing so, but not you -- once, twice, thrice.
So yes, "hate" was too strong. Joyless maybe? So determined to take shots that you can't let others celebrate, perhaps? Incapable of admitting you didn't know what you were talking about in the transfer portal thread when you said Wojo couldn't land any transfers because "the word on the street" on him was bad?
I wish we were together, buddy, because I think it's you who needs the beer, and I'd be happy to quaff one with you. This was a tremendous get for our coach and our program, and I'm going to enjoy it. I suggest you at least try to do likewise.
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 09:23:53 PM
Good for you, Doc. I know it wasn't easy for you to have to put away the green wienie.
You can't enjoy anything. Must be sad to be so filled with hate. Go find willie and commiserate.
Mike
It wasn't the least bit hard for Doc to "put away the green weenie". As always, he's happy when Marquette succeeds.
And Elon is "full of hate" because he congratulated Wojo and pointed out (as others did) that this (theoretically) moved us from the 78th to the 53rd best team next year? I think a 25 slot jump with possibly more help on the way is exciting!
Everybody is happy. Why can't you accept that and let it be?
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
You know what, Ners? I shouldn't have used the word "hate." It was too strong, and I have no proof that you hate Wojo or anybody else.
But here we are, trying to enjoy that our alma mater landed the best transfer on the market to cap one of the best recruiting classes in the country, and all you can do is take a dump on it.
The "bubble" comment was your third of the thread so far, and all of them took shots at Wojo. Even some of Wojo's biggest Scoop critics resisted doing so, but not you -- once, twice, thrice.
So yes, "hate" was too strong. Joyless maybe? So determined to take shots that you can't let others celebrate, perhaps? Incapable of admitting you didn't know what you were talking about in the transfer portal thread when you said Wojo couldn't land any transfers because "the word on the street" on him was bad?
I wish we were together, buddy, because I think it's you who needs the beer, and I'd be happy to quaff one with you. This was a tremendous get for our coach and our program, and I'm going to enjoy it. I suggest you at least try to do likewise.
But could you dunk in high school?
Quote from: WarriorFan on April 15, 2020, 09:43:38 PM
This is great for the program. I hope the young man gets the support he needs at MU and can excel on the court.
The dark side of this is it means the offense won't change. MU will have a ball dominant PG again, not enough ball movement, possibility of too much hero ball.
The bright side is that this guy has much better assist ratio than previous MU ball dominant PG's which, if the other guys make their shots, could be pretty to watch. He's also bigger and longer than the last two ball dominant PG's.
Give me a break. Nothing will come close to last season in terms of being one-dimensional. There is no dark side of getting a 5- star stud PG transfer. The dark side is getting nobody at all.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
Mike
It wasn't the least bit hard for Doc to "put away the green weenie". As always, he's happy when Marquette succeeds.
And Elon is "full of hate" because he congratulated Wojo and pointed out (as others did) that this (theoretically) moved us from the 78th to the 53rd best team next year? I think a 25 slot jump with possibly more help on the way is exciting!
Everybody is happy. Why can't you accept that and let it be?
As you know from reading this entire thread, Ners took shots at Wojo in all 3 comments he made on what should only be a celebratory night. Even Doc seems happy ... and all of us are grateful because none of us want to see his wienie!
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
But could you dunk in high school?
I was a terror on a 9-foot hoop!
OK ... I'll call BS on myself ... Would you believe that I could really slam home a tennis ball on an 8-foot hoop?
It seems possible that Carton notified MU before both Burton and Turner announced they made a decision.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 15, 2020, 11:18:18 PM
It seems possible that Carton notified MU before both Burton and Turner announced they made a decision.
If he had notified Scoop, it could have saved a lot of angst.
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 11:22:06 PM
If he had notified Scoop, it could have saved a lot of angst.
Could have saved muguru being close to a heart attack
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 11:25:04 PM
Could have saved muguru being close to a heart attack
Yeah, that was scary!
guru asked
"Why? Why MU? Why?" so often that I had to check to see if Nancy Kerrigan had become a Scooper.
Cartons Instagram post shows him on the court in an *empty* Fiserv Forum. Sigh :(
Hope we get to see these guys play this year as it should be a fun team.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 15, 2020, 08:23:21 PM
I'll give credit when it's due.
Nice... Growth is possible... I watched Markus Senior Night comments tonight on his reflection on his time at Marquette and wondered if Hutch is Clutch would appreciate the holistic impact he has had on the program beyond 12 frustrating games WOJO coached. I appreciated HUTCH and his 12 PPG average in CUSA competition through MDG view. We appreciate Markus being a Brand builder for Marquette basketball in modern day college basketball.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
Wojo always gets his man.
/ducks
Nobody has ever said that here. Just the facts Mam.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 08:25:37 PM
Way to go Wojo! Great news. Now, comes the coaching part. What are the chances he gets eligibility waiver (if there is a season this year)?
Yes, now comes the coaching part, can Wojo coach the team to another mediocre season or perhaps surpass that?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 09:51:31 PM
Dramatic much? Drama Queen: Synonyms: MU82, MU82, MU82.
For a journalist of your caliber and your quest for the truth and facts at all times, not sure how you get that I'm "so filled with hate," because Carton elevates us to a bubble team? That's great, considering how things were looking.
Go have a beer, get some, and calm down.
So Elon is a big Wojo Woodchuck. That explains volumes. Speaking of hate, Elon, let he who has none cast the first boulder, hey?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 16, 2020, 05:45:08 AM
Yes, now comes the coaching part, can Wojo coach the team to another mediocre season or perhaps surpass that?
..beat Wisconsin, please. Gosh I don't like them.
Congrats. To Wojo and staff! Huge commit!
This is a good thing.
It is a very good thing.
Quote from: WarriorDad on April 15, 2020, 09:24:17 PM
Great get by the coaching staff. Some members here cannot be happy no matter what.
Totally agree
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 15, 2020, 11:58:01 PM
Cartons Instagram post shows him on the court in an *empty* Fiserv Forum. Sigh :(
Hope we get to see these guys play this year as it should be a fun team.
On the chance that we don't and college basketball runs fan-less, how about schools like MU gaining revenue by selling "tickets" that amount to live-stream of all huddles, halftime locker-room, pre and postgame LR, and the bench during live play? It would certainly be easy to hear all the banter from the bench, including coaching instruction. Also, could players be "MIC'd" for these same purposes, separate from the FS1 telecast?
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere...I'm just wondering how schools are going to maintain any semblance of a non-TV related revenue stream if the sport proceeds fan-less for a season.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 16, 2020, 07:59:16 AM
On the chance that we don't and college basketball runs fan-less, how about schools like MU gaining revenue by selling "tickets" that amount to live-stream of all huddles, halftime locker-room, pre and postgame LR, and the bench during live play? It would certainly be easy to hear all the banter from the bench, including coaching instruction. Also, could players be "MIC'd" for these same purposes, separate from the FS1 telecast?
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere...I'm just wondering how schools are going to maintain any semblance of a non-TV related revenue stream if the sport proceeds fan-less for a season.
I doubt you would find many takers for this.
I think what you are going to do is see schools pushing the fundraising to benefit the program a bit more. But even that might be a tough sell given the economic environment. One thought if they aren't going to be able to have crowds is to see if they could get out of the Fiserv lease for a year. Might as well play at the Al if you can't have crowds.
They could run a lottery with minimal attendance with appropriate distancing for the winners at whatever venue.
Quote from: WarriorDad on April 15, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
Listing and taking on water.
This must be right up there with when you read in the Marquette Trib that Lloyd Walton had signed with Marquette.
Were you quaffing an RWB in the Lanche as you took in those joyous words?
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 16, 2020, 07:59:16 AM
MU gaining revenue by selling "tickets" that amount to live-stream of all huddles, halftime locker-room, pre and postgame LR, and the bench during live play?
coaching instruction
Pre Game LR: "Let's go out there and try really hard!"
TO Huddle: "We need to try really hard!"
Half-Time Locker Room: "Guys, we need to try harder!"
Post Game LR: "We didn't try hard enough..."
Quote from: keefe on April 16, 2020, 08:30:50 AM
This must be right up there with when you read in the Marquette Trib that Lloyd Walton had signed with Marquette.
Were you quaffing an RWB in the Lanche as you took in those joyous words?
Quote from: keefe on April 16, 2020, 08:37:23 AM
Pre Game LR: "Let's go out there and try really hard!"
TO Huddle: "We need to try really hard!"
Half-Time Locker Room: "Guys, we need to try harder!"
Post Game LR: "We didn't try hard enough..."
Well, we got 2 meat lovers to congratulate Wojo. Not surprisingly the one who loves the meat the most has nothing to say about Carton or the signing, though.
Quote from: WithoutBias on April 16, 2020, 08:38:40 AM
Well, we got 2 meat lovers to congratulate Wojo. Not surprisingly the one who loves the meat the most has nothing to say about Carton or the signing, though.
Wonder what you thought when you read Swift...
Honest question: why do people feel strongly that he will get a waiver? I don't have a great understanding of the eligibility / waiver process. Are there precedents for this same situation?
Quote from: KampusFoods on April 16, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Honest question: why do people feel strongly that he will get a waiver? I don't have a great understanding of the eligibility / waiver process. Are there precedents for this same situation?
Mostly because Ohio State has been supportive since he left the team in February. That he simply wasn't happy there.
I could see him sitting the first semester, but I think if he has to sit the whole year the blowback from the media-types will be overwhelming, especially since the NCAA is looking to waive the sit-one-year requirement.
Seems to me if the kid has any reasoning beyond not liking where he is and then moves significantly closer to home the odds go dramatically up. Heron at SJU as an example.
Carton moving significantly closer to home should help him. Wouldnt be surprised if he got a waiver or maybe eligible second semester
Quote from: KampusFoods on April 16, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Honest question: why do people feel strongly that he will get a waiver? I don't have a great understanding of the eligibility / waiver process. Are there precedents for this same situation?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60415.msg1233880#msg1233880
Wasnt MU in on DJ a couple years ago? either way good to see he ends up at MU one way or another.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 16, 2020, 07:59:16 AM
On the chance that we don't and college basketball runs fan-less, how about schools like MU gaining revenue by selling "tickets" that amount to live-stream of all huddles, halftime locker-room, pre and postgame LR, and the bench during live play? It would certainly be easy to hear all the banter from the bench, including coaching instruction. Also, could players be "MIC'd" for these same purposes, separate from the FS1 telecast?
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere...I'm just wondering how schools are going to maintain any semblance of a non-TV related revenue stream if the sport proceeds fan-less for a season.
I don't think this would happen. But if it does, I sure hope "live stream" still means it would be shown on a delay and that comments by coaches, players and others would be monitored. Because interractions can get pretty heated, and even "playful banter" might upset many viewers.
See: Kyle Larson ... NASCAR ... n-word.
Quote from: KampusFoods on April 16, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Honest question: why do people feel strongly that he will get a waiver? I don't have a great understanding of the eligibility / waiver process. Are there precedents for this same situation?
With the NCAA likely to remove the sit-out requirement as soon as next month, I imagine they're going to be very liberal in granting waivers. And DJ's reasons for transferring seem to go beyond the usual reasons (i.e. seeking more playing time, conflict with the coaching staft, etc.).
Love all the Lefties on the team!
Quote from: CAGASS24 on April 16, 2020, 09:18:12 AM
Love all the Lefties on the team!
Stop the politics!
Quote from: MU24 on April 16, 2020, 09:06:50 AM
Wasnt MU in on DJ a couple years ago? either way good to see he ends up at MU one way or another.
Marquette was in his final 6 out of high school but didn't make his final 3. Clearly those inroads made back then have now paid off, though.
When I saw his post on Twitter last night (which was liked by a number of fellow MU followers), I honestly thought it was a troll/joke. I believed someone simply photoshopped the pics for clicks and/or on-going discussion (to only fuel the fire of missing out on Turner/Burton/etc.). The amount of joy I had when I found out it be real cannot be put into words.
Regardless, welcome to MU, DJ. Congrats to Wojo and staff for getting an impact player. Looking forward to watching him in the Blue and Gold.
Quote from: WithoutBias on April 16, 2020, 08:38:40 AM
Well, we got 2 meat lovers to congratulate Wojo. Not surprisingly the one who loves the meat the most has nothing to say about Carton or the signing, though.
Well - It's a GREAT thing we have you here Without Bias (I mean Wadesworld), to keep us all up to speed on interpreting body language and social media needs of 17 year old boys. Please keep us up to date on your hot takes as it relates to Mane, and others this transfer season.
Signing Carton was HUGE to fill the HUGE hole on our roster going into Year 7. As has been said many times, we are going to need Top 30/5-star talent at MU for us to win under Wojo.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 08, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
And Dawson looks much more interested in his phone than in anything else. Yikes. Didn't announce his visit like he did the others on Twitter just retweeted something from his high school.
Not feeling good right now.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 08, 2019, 12:49:29 PM
The biggest thing Dawson seems to like about Indiana is all the attention their fan base has given him. He shares all the stories IU fans post on Instagram about him being at IU (and does the same for the other schools like Memphis and Minnesota, it just happens less from those fans), shares Tweets from other fan bases, etc. Let's show this kid some love. To me this is the biggest swing recruit in the Wojo era. If we land him I think this program can take off. If we don't I think we stay at the level we've been seeing the last few years. If we land Garcia I think we'll have a real shot at Brown for 2021 and Mane for 2020. And if we land those two look out.
Not saying be a creep and try to hunt him out based on where he's Tweeting from, but I'm guessing he'll share some Instagram pictures in a Marquette uniform (he's done so with the other 3 finalists). Put those in your stories and let him know he's wanted here. He seems to genuinely enjoy that kind of love and hopefully Marquette fans can make an impression on him this weekend.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 16, 2020, 09:45:12 AM
When I saw his post on Twitter last night (which was liked by a number of fellow MU followers), I honestly thought it was a troll/joke. I believed someone simply photoshopped the pics for clicks and/or on-going discussion (to only fuel the fire of missing out on Turner/Burton/etc.). The amount of joy I had when I found out it be real cannot be put into words.
Regardless, welcome to MU, DJ. Congrats to Wojo and staff for getting an impact player. Looking forward to watching him in the Blue and Gold.
I was casually scrolling twitter and then I saw the post and I immediately jumped up off the couch and started yelling to my wife across the house that we just got DJ Carton. She doesn't have the slightest clue who DJ Carton is and basically called me a lunatic. But it was good to be excited about Marquette Basketball again.
I wonder what kind of role Markus had in the Carton commitment? I have to imagine there was a conversation or two. And, given Markus' respect for Wojo, I'm sure that played a part. If he did contribute to the commitment, that's quite a farewell gift that he gave MU fans.
Quote from: Afroman on April 16, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
I wonder what kind of role Markus had in the Carton commitment? I have to imagine there was a conversation or two. And, given Markus' respect for Wojo, I'm sure that played a part. If he did contribute to the commitment, that's quite a farewell gift that he gave MU fans.
I second that, Markus was given the keys to the school and he used it, he took total advantage of the opportunities MU gave him, ie. Travel overseas, school travel with
non-basketball kids even though they built a court, plus the press he got this year for MU was insane. It surely had to make an impression on Carton, now hopefully
Mane. Backcourt of Mane and Carton, would be interesting to say the least.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 16, 2020, 09:56:19 AM
Well - It's a GREAT thing we have you here Without Bias (I mean Wadesworld), to keep us all up to speed on interpreting body language and social media needs of 17 year old boys. Please keep us up to date on your hot takes as it relates to Mane, and others this transfer season.
Signing Carton was HUGE to fill the HUGE hole on our roster going into Year 7. As has been said many times, we are going to need Top 30/5-star talent at MU for us to win under Wojo.
Wait, keef=Ners?
Holy sh!t it all makes sense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
Looked back at his recruitment. Camped with Marquette and UW-Madison. Wojo did an in-home in Spring of '18 and DJ took an unofficial for March Madness. Thought he'd end up at Michigan and Ohio swooped in late. Makes me realize that recruiting is a tough, strange and frustrating thing but not to burn bridges because you never know when you'll cross them again
A lesson that Grimes learned too late.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 08:25:37 PM
Way to go Wojo! Great news. Now, comes the coaching part. What are the chances he gets eligibility waiver (if there is a season this year)?
In case he doesn't, Wojo is already drafting a letter of resignation to the Collage Basketball Coaches Assoc.
Quote from: KampusFoods on April 16, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Honest question: why do people feel strongly that he will get a waiver? I don't have a great understanding of the eligibility / waiver process. Are there precedents for this same situation?
If Mustapha Herron (SJU), as an example, got a waiver (he did) - no way the NCAA is going to deny Carton one, IMO.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 16, 2020, 12:44:50 PM
If Mustapha Herron (SJU), as an example, got a waiver (he did) - no way the NCAA is going to deny Carton one, IMO.
You're talking about the NCAA here...
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 12:53:37 PM
You're talking about the NCAA here...
Right. There is always chance and I have admitted as much many times. But....Carton has as good of chance as anyone to get a waiver, and I'd wager that the NCAA is going to be handing out a lot of immediate eligibility waivers in the coming months.
But yes, there is always a chance the NCAA denies it. Which would suck.
Quote from: Afroman on April 16, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
I wonder what kind of role Markus had in the Carton commitment? I have to imagine there was a conversation or two. And, given Markus' respect for Wojo, I'm sure that played a part. If he did contribute to the commitment, that's quite a farewell gift that he gave MU fans.
Plus Tax, I believe he did.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 15, 2020, 09:51:31 PM
Dramatic much? Drama Queen: Synonyms: MU82, MU82, MU82.
For a journalist of your caliber and your quest for the truth and facts at all times, not sure how you get that I'm "so filled with hate," because Carton elevates us to a bubble team? That's great, considering how things were looking.
Go hadve a beer, get some, and calm down.
At least sweeten the offer by offering some frozen yogurt.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
Wow. If immediately eligible, this class is surely at least top 10. If we add Mane, it becomes Marquette's version of the Fab 5.
Either way, major props to Wojo. I was interested but concerned about the the upcoming season. Now I'm interested and excited. Karim Mane, c'mon down!
Mane WANTS to play PG - this can't help with that. Maybe Wojo can do a North Carolina and convince Mane he's running a 2 PG offense.
Quote from: 4everDawson on April 16, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Mane WANTS to play PG - this can't help with that. Maybe Wojo can do a North Carolina and convince Mane he's running a 2 PG offense.
Hard disagree. I fully expect this to help with the recruitment of Mane. If an existent highly regarded point guard was a problem, he wouldn't be looking at Michigan State with Rocket Watts and A.J. Hoggard already there.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Hard disagree. I fully expect this to help with the recruitment of Mane. If an existent highly regarded point guard was a problem, he wouldn't be looking at Michigan State with Rocket Watts and A.J. Hoggard already there.
Or the NBA...
Quote from: 4everDawson on April 16, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Mane WANTS to play PG - this can't help with that. Maybe Wojo can do a North Carolina and convince Mane he's running a 2 PG offense.
Has this been published somewhere. I have heard Mane can play the point but I don't remember anything about it being a priority
Quote from: 4everDawson on April 16, 2020, 01:35:27 PM
At least sweeten the offer by offering some frozen yogurt.
I laughed
https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/4/16/mens-basketball-marquette-adds-transfer-guard-d-j-carton.aspx
Sorry if this was asked but when is the ncca going to vote on the transfer and sit out a year deal?
Quote from: muguru on April 16, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/4/16/mens-basketball-marquette-adds-transfer-guard-d-j-carton.aspx
Quote"I chose Marquette because of the relationship I have been able to develop with Coach Wojo," Carton said. "I think he understands me and can bring the best out of me, on and off the court. I am excited to be a Golden Eagle and play for the city of Milwaukee."
That goes against absolutely everything I've heard about Wojo.
Here's why I think Mane is still a possibility. For one. His parents value an education so I think he goes to college over the NBA or G League (and it may be they don't want him yet). Secondly. Ohio State hit a skid losing 6 of 7 games and Carton was struggling having 7 TOs in a game vs Indiana. Holtmann moved him off the ball and in a couple of weeks he responded really well and had some of his best games. So if I'm Wojo pitching to both. I will tell Carton we plan to play you off the ball a lot and let you gradually come back to the point putting you in a position to be the most successful. And it takes some of the pressure off you and you can go out and play. Then tell Mane the plan for for Carton and say the point is yours. I can see it being agreeable to both. And it is safe to assume Carton will get a waiver but it is the NCAA and no one knows.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 16, 2020, 06:25:55 PM
Sorry if this was asked but when is the ncca going to vote on the transfer and sit out a year deal?
May 20
Quote from: dad's couch on April 16, 2020, 06:35:02 PM
Here's why I think Mane is still a possibility. For one. His parents value an education so I think he goes to college over the NBA or G League (and it may be they don't want him yet). Secondly. Ohio State hit a skid losing 6 of 7 games and Carton was struggling having 7 TOs in a game vs Indiana. Holtmann moved him off the ball and in a couple of weeks he responded really well and had some of his best games. So if I'm Wojo pitching to both. I will tell Carton we plan to play you off the ball a lot and let you gradually come back to the point putting you in a position to be the most successful. And it takes some of the pressure off you and you can go out and play. Then tell Mane the plan for for Carton and say the point is yours. I can see it being agreeable to both. And it is safe to assume Carton will get a waiver but it is the NCAA and no one knows.
You say, "We will love having both of you on the team because you both are so gifted with the ball, and both have such well-rounded games. You can play off of each other perfectly. With you two, and our talented forwards, we will win a lot of games. Join us!"
No need to promise primary ballhandling duties to either of them.
Quote from: dad's couch on April 16, 2020, 06:35:02 PM
Here's why I think Mane is still a possibility. For one. His parents value an education so I think he goes to college over the NBA or G League (and it may be they don't want him yet). Secondly. Ohio State hit a skid losing 6 of 7 games and Carton was struggling having 7 TOs in a game vs Indiana. Holtmann moved him off the ball and in a couple of weeks he responded really well and had some of his best games. So if I'm Wojo pitching to both. I will tell Carton we plan to play you off the ball a lot and let you gradually come back to the point putting you in a position to be the most successful. And it takes some of the pressure off you and you can go out and play. Then tell Mane the plan for for Carton and say the point is yours. I can see it being agreeable to both. And it is safe to assume Carton will get a waiver but it is the NCAA and no one knows.
Carton commitment will have no adverse consequence with regards to Mane's recruiting.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2020, 06:46:09 PM
You say, "We will love having both of you on the team because you both are so gifted with the ball, and both have such well-rounded games. You can play off of each other perfectly. With you two, and our talented forwards, we will win a lot of games. Join us!"
No need to promise primary ballhandling duties to either of them.
Wojo said when he got here he wanted all of his guards to be able to initiate the offense.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2020, 02:04:35 PM
Has this been published somewhere. I have heard Mane can play the point but I don't remember anything about it being a priority
Sorry, I don't have this interview dog-eared somehow. I do remember the impression it made on me because it was the first I realized that he saw himself as the guy bringing the ball up and initiating the offense, and how that and playing fast mattered to him. It was a while ago before Michigan State got to be a strong possibility to the best of my recollection.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Hard disagree. I fully expect this to help with the recruitment of Mane. If an existent highly regarded point guard was a problem, he wouldn't be looking at Michigan State with Rocket Watts and A.J. Hoggard already there.
I really don't see a guy thinking the NBA might be possible this year worrying about either of those guys who are admittedly in one case a solid collage player and in the other case a very good recruit. Mane is a ball dominant guard. It makes sense that he's looking hard at programs that just lost a Howard and a Winston. And was looking earlier at Maryland which is losing a PG who was one of his team's 2 best players and senior leader.
Carton spoke about his move to Marquette. I'm sorry if this has already been posted. It was nice to see his comments about what factored into his decision to join the MU program.
https://sports.yahoo.com/guard-d-j-carton-transferring-ohio-state-marquette-234106920--ncaab.html
''I chose Marquette because of the relationship I have been able to develop with Coach Wojo,'' Carton said in the release. ''I think he understands me and can bring the best out of me, on and off the court.''
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
That goes against absolutely everything I've heard about Wojo.
Everything? Including that he's not a very good game coach? That seems to be most people's main gripe with Wojo.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
That goes against absolutely everything I've heard about Wojo.
That goes against everything you have heard about Wojo from a certain subset of scoop posters.
Quote from: tower912 on April 16, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
That goes against everything you have heard about Wojo from a certain subset of scoop posters.
True.
You got to get dominant players to compete in the BE. Wojo's doing that. Now let's win.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 07:55:34 PM
True.
I don't think I've ever had a problem with his recruiting or really nearly anything except his actual coaching ability. Thrilled we got Carton and a lot of good recruits coming in, but we've had less success than I would have expected with our recruits during his tenure, and two straight late season collapses when other teams are peaking is what I'm worried about. Still hope we land Mane of course. I think I'm in the "I hope our talent makes up for his coaching" crowd.
I agree...it's one thing to get the players but another thing to be able to effectively execute the x's & o's. I'm tired of beating up Coach Woj but he hasn't proven me wrong. Please do as I'd love nothing more.
Carton...
Am I the only one that finds that photoshop a little odd? I get the put the kid in the MU Jersey photoshop. But adding the coach with his arm around him?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 19, 2020, 06:57:19 PM
Am I the only one that finds that photoshop a little odd? I get the put the kid in the MU Jersey photoshop. But adding the coach with his arm around him?
Borderline creepy.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 19, 2020, 06:57:19 PM
Am I the only one that finds that photoshop a little odd? I get the put the kid in the MU Jersey photoshop. But adding the coach with his arm around him?
They should have reduced Wojo's chin a little.
Maybe he should be kissing him on the mouth?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 19, 2020, 06:57:19 PM
Am I the only one that finds that photoshop a little odd? I get the put the kid in the MU Jersey photoshop. But adding the coach with his arm around him?
Yes, you are the only one.
Geez.
Obviously just a photo with Markus and a head swap. DJ is hoping to get the same love and affection Howard did.
OK gang, when the 2019-2020 season started, most of us in here believed Coach Wojo had two jobs:
1) Recruit for 2020-2021 and beyond.
2) Get back in the NCAA tournament and win at least one game.
By all measures, Coach Wojo did the first one in spades. DJ Carton and, hopefully, Karim Mane, will be the topping on a very good class. Coach Wojo has a dynamic young team with loads of raw talent. He also has depth he didn't have before. His legacy at MU will be defined by what he does in the next two to three years with this group, which, by all measures, is the most talented group of recruits we have had in some time.
We would have been back in the NCAA had there been one. While I wasn't optimistic about more than one win, it certainly met the criteria that most in Scoop had expected for this year's team.
If Wojo is half the coach we thought he would be when he came to MU, we're in for quite a ride in the next few years. At this point, coaching up is everything, as is sustaining Marquette's recruiting success.
Oh boy
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 20, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
OK gang, when the 2019-2020 season started, most of us in here believed Coach Wojo had two jobs:
1) Recruit for 2020-2021 and beyond.
2) Get back in the NCAA tournament and win at least one game.
By all measures, Coach Wojo did the first one in spades. DJ Carton and, hopefully, Karim Mane, will be the topping on a very good class. Coach Wojo has a dynamic young team with loads of raw talent. He also has depth he didn't have before. His legacy at MU will be defined by what he does in the next two to three years with this group, which, by all measures, is the most talented group of recruits we have had in some time.
We would have been back in the NCAA had there been one. While I wasn't optimistic about more than one win, it certainly met the criteria that most in Scoop had expected for this year's team.
If Wojo is half the coach we thought he would be when he came to MU, we're in for quite a ride in the next few years. At this point, coaching up is everything, as is sustaining Marquette's recruiting success.
Yep, the season ended on a wimper with Sacar and BB pulling Houdinis, but until that point it had been a really great season led by tge all time story of Markus Howard. The recruiting was as good or better than yone could have possibly expected.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 07:55:34 PM
True.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/22/d-j-carton-transfers-marquette-basketball-and-mental-health/2995079001/
Nice article about DJ and relationship with Wojo.
So I can't get this article. Does it say anything about immediate eligibility?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 22, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
So I can't get this article. Does it say anything about immediate eligibility?
sorry. guess it is a subscriber only.
Wojo says they believe he is a strong candidate for the waiver, "but we don't make that decision" or wording to that effect. Also mentions pending potential rule change. Says he thinks DJ will fit well with Koby, Sy, etc.
Bailey discussion at the end. Just they are supportive.
Alright cool. Thanks.
Nice offseason article. Good to have Steele back after his short furlough. Think both Carton if he's eligible and Bailey will both be fun to watch next year for the Warriors.
Quote from: dajudge on April 22, 2020, 09:44:03 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/22/d-j-carton-transfers-marquette-basketball-and-mental-health/2995079001/
Nice article about DJ and relationship with Wojo.
I would not say Marquette basketball has been accretive to my mental health
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 22, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
I would not say Marquette basketball has been accretive to my mental health
You are sure you're not talking about MuScoop?
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 20, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
OK gang, when the 2019-2020 season started, most of us in here believed Coach Wojo had two jobs:
1) Recruit for 2020-2021 and beyond.
2) Get back in the NCAA tournament and win at least one game.
By all measures, Coach Wojo did the first one in spades. DJ Carton and, hopefully, Karim Mane, will be the topping on a very good class. Coach Wojo has a dynamic young team with loads of raw talent. He also has depth he didn't have before. His legacy at MU will be defined by what he does in the next two to three years with this group, which, by all measures, is the most talented group of recruits we have had in some time.
We would have been back in the NCAA had there been one. While I wasn't optimistic about more than one win, it certainly met the criteria that most in Scoop had expected for this year's team.
If Wojo is half the coach we thought he would be when he came to MU, we're in for quite a ride in the next few years. At this point, coaching up is everything, as is sustaining Marquette's recruiting success.
I like the optimism, and agree with most of it. He has recruited superbly, and he has made the NCAAs 3 out of 4 years. Not bad. Still, the end of the season - for the second season in a row - was very difficult to watch.
I sure would like to see something this season coming up rather than talking about the next 2-3 years, though. Because after this season, MU poobahs likely are going to have to decide to either extend Wojo's contract again or kick him to the curb. Maybe they could get through 2 more years before having to make that call, but probably not the way big-time college sports work.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2020, 05:32:19 PMBecause after this season, MU poobahs likely are going to have to decide to either extend Wojo's contract again or kick him to the curb. Maybe they could get through 2 more years before having to make that call, but probably not the way big-time college sports work.
At least 2 more years. Maybe 3.
Did somebody say creepy??
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https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/03/27/tom-crean-face-photoshop
Quote from: keefe on April 22, 2020, 09:23:28 PM
Did somebody say creepy??
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qM5caf2J3sE/UthmYYGp46I/AAAAAAAAC-Q/mNiSfZ3MJwA/s1600/CREANENHANCE.jpg)
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(http://i2.wp.com/kentsterling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Crean.jpg)
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/03/27/tom-crean-face-photoshop
Wow - best laugh I've had in days. Thanks,Crash.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
At least 2 more years. Maybe 3.
He has 4 years left on his contract, right brew?
So I could see maybe they let it get down to 3 left and bring him back for 2021-22, even though that would make it fairly easy for other coaches to negatively recruit against him. I absolutely can't see bringing him back for 2022-23 without a contract extension, though. I'm surprised you can.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
He has 4 years left on his contract, right brew?
So I could see maybe they let it get down to 3 left and bring him back for 2021-22, even though that would make it fairly easy for other coaches to negatively recruit against him. I absolutely can't see bringing him back for 2022-23 without a contract extension, though. I'm surprised you can.
Coaching contract lengths no matta. It's all in the details. Can be handled in conversations.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
He has 4 years left on his contract, right brew?
So I could see maybe they let it get down to 3 left and bring him back for 2021-22, even though that would make it fairly easy for other coaches to negatively recruit against him. I absolutely can't see bringing him back for 2022-23 without a contract extension, though. I'm surprised you can.
It's less about the extension and more about my belief that Marquette won't fire Wojo before 2023. Virtually no chance before 2022, barring major scandal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2020, 10:07:41 PM
It's less about the extension and more about my belief that Marquette won't fire Wojo before 2023. Virtually no chance before 2022, barring major scandal.
This could be true but recruiting will fall off big time.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 22, 2020, 10:36:50 PM
This could be true but recruiting will fall off big time.
Why's that? It hasn't so far. We had the collapse last year and brought in three top-100s including a McDonald's All-American. We collapsed again and brought in the top transfer in the country.
Recruiting isn't the problem. Results are. Does it maybe take a hit in 2 years if there's no extension? Maybe, but by that time admin will be committed to year 3.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2020, 10:42:09 PM
Recruiting isn't the problem. Results are. Does it maybe take a hit in 2 years if there's no extension? Maybe, but by that time admin will be committed to year 3.
You might be right. But I hope we have a big 2020-21 season and Wojo is given a nice extension because he has earned it.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 22, 2020, 10:36:50 PM
This could be true but recruiting will fall off big time.
Just like people said recruiting will fall off after the Hausers left. How was that prediction? And I hope the 21 class is pretty weak. That means this years' incoming players and Symir and Dexter played really well and there's not an opportunity for players to come in and contribute.
DJ will wear #21 for those of you that care about that sort of thing
Marquette Basketball
@MarquetteMBB
·
10m
#mubb @DJCarton
will wear No. 21 at @MarquetteU
. D.J. joins former MU players including Tom Sonnenberg, Steve Raymonds, Ulice Payne, @Mu21
and @Josephchartouny
Welcome again D.J.!
Quote from: muguru on April 24, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
DJ will wear #21 for those of you that care about that sort of thing
Marquette Basketball
@MarquetteMBB
·
10m
#mubb @DJCarton
will wear No. 21 at @MarquetteU
. D.J. joins former MU players including Tom Sonnenberg, Steve Raymonds, Ulice Payne, @Mu21
and @Josephchartouny
Welcome again D.J.!
Joins some great company with Chartouny
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
Joins some great company with Chartouny
Not to mention Harry Froling and Kevin Menard....
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
Joins some great company with Chartouny
Low blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0)
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 24, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Low blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0)
Exactly. Great kid on and off the court. Too bad some entitled fans had their expectations too high.
Quote from: muguru on April 24, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
DJ will wear #21 for those of you that care about that sort of thing
Marquette Basketball
@MarquetteMBB
·
10m
#mubb @DJCarton
will wear No. 21 at @MarquetteU
. D.J. joins former MU players including Tom Sonnenberg, Steve Raymonds, Ulice Payne, @Mu21
and @Josephchartouny
Welcome again D.J.!
Also this guy...
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Quote from: Mane'shouse 84 on April 24, 2020, 01:49:47 PM
Also this guy...
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61HCxfm4iGL._AC_SX522_.jpg)
Hell yeah TR!
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 24, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Low blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1NdKjcVW0)
Agreed. Mentioned this elsewhere last year, but I met Joe in a setting that wasn't expected, and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Gave me the time of day and was incredibly friendly. I don't think his senior year worked out how anyone hoped (including him), but the kid gave it his all, and is/was a touch notch representative of the university. Absolutely no reason to bad mouth him.
Give me a break. I saw that video right after it was shared. He is definitely a nice guy. Was being facetious. Anyone can acknowledge Chartouny seems to be a great guy with a forgettable (or memorable for the wrong reasons) year at MU. That quote in the tweet was like DJ is following one of Marquette's greats.
Wojo and his staff and players have been nothing but class off the court. MU and most fans, if I may make an assumption, have been disappointed with the game results. MU has not made a significant effort to lock up Wojo for a reason.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 24, 2020, 09:38:57 PM
Wojo and his staff and players have been nothing but class off the court. MU and most fans, if I may make an assumption, have been disappointed with the game results. MU has not made a significant effort to lock up Wojo for a reason.
What is the definition of a "significant effort to lock up Wojo"? Not being facetious. Serious question.
I mean, they just extended his contract through 2024 and gave him a raise, didn't they? Is a "significant effort" now an 8-year contract or something?
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
Joins some great company with Chartouny
He's certain to look good by comparison. That should instill confidence.
Between keefe, shitting on Chartouney, and now Wojo's contract way to take hot steaming dump on this thread.
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2020, 10:23:26 PM
What is the definition of a "significant effort to lock up Wojo"? Not being facetious. Serious question.
I mean, they just extended his contract through 2024 and gave him a raise, didn't they? Is a "significant effort" now an 8-year contract or something?
Yes, an 8 to 10 year contract and/or a significant raise. He basically got a cost of living increase. MU will have to decide on his future in the next year or two.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2020, 10:47:22 AM
Yes, an 8 to 10 year contract and/or a significant raise. He basically got a cost of living increase. MU will have to decide on his future in the next year or two.
OK, thanks for the answer. I think a 5-year extension and raise is pretty significant, but it's OK that you don't.
And I agree that our Marquette leaders have to decide on Wojo's future in the next year or two.
Quote from: Mane'shouse 84 on April 24, 2020, 01:49:47 PM
Also this guy...
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61HCxfm4iGL._AC_SX522_.jpg)
The Pharaoh!
Hairy Reason!
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2020, 10:50:55 AM
OK, thanks for the answer. I think a 5-year extension and raise is pretty significant, but it's OK that you don't.
And I agree that our Marquette leaders have to decide on Wojo's future in the next year or two.
I don't think it was a 5 year extension. His contract wasn't up last year. I think he got a new 5 year contract that extended him 2 years.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2020, 11:02:50 AM
I don't think it was a 5 year extension. His contract wasn't up last year. I think he got a new 5 year contract that extended him 2 years.
I think you are correct. Wasn't trying to misrepresent.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2020, 10:47:22 AM
Yes, an 8 to 10 year contract and/or a significant raise. He basically got a cost of living increase. MU will have to decide on his future in the next year or two.
I don't think there are very many college coaches out there who have an 8-10 year contract.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
I don't think there are very many college coaches out there who have an 8-10 year contract.
I'd guess you're correct. Marquette, like most schools, doesn't want to be locked into a coach that hasn't proven themselves and want to be able to fire a coach if needed without major financial consequences.
I saw this thread staying up near the top of the list and wondered what new info re: Carton was driving continued discussion of his transfer, that we got to 10 pages of comments.
Silly me, I should have realized that that GD Wojo inserts himself into every GD thread. When, oh when, will he stop?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2020, 12:05:05 PM
I'd guess you're correct. Marquette, like most schools, doesn't want to be locked into a coach that hasn't proven themselves and want to be able to fire a coach if needed without major financial consequences.
I know that Calipari, Self, Williams are working under 10-year contracts. Larry Krystkowiak signed an 8-year deal in 2015 but has not gotten an extension since. Ohio State gave Holtmann 8 years to get him to leave Butler. Izzo has a "7-year rolling contract." Texas signed Shaka to a 7-year deal when he was the hottest coach on the market and added another year after they somehow were fooled into thinking that his 20-13 showing with Barnes' players (he went 11-22 the next year). Barnes signed a 6-year deal with Tennessee in 2015 and got an "amended 5-year contract" in 2019 paying him a lot more money.
Among those with contracts of similar length to Wojo's: Sean Miller, Bobby Hurley, Mark Fox, Bob Huggins.
Indiana gave Archie Miller a 7-year deal in 2017 and haven't extended it since -- so I guess they didn't make a "significant effort" to lock him up.
Am I missing some coaches whose schools have given them 8-10 year contracts in one sitting?
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
I know that Calipari, Self, Williams are working under 10-year contracts. Larry Krystkowiak signed an 8-year deal in 2015 but has not gotten an extension since. Ohio State gave Holtmann 8 years to get him to leave Butler. Izzo has a "7-year rolling contract." Texas signed Shaka to a 7-year deal when he was the hottest coach on the market and added another year after they somehow were fooled into thinking that his 20-13 showing with Barnes' players (he went 11-22 the next year). Barnes signed a 6-year deal with Tennessee in 2015 and got an "amended 5-year contract" in 2019 paying him a lot more money.
Among those with contracts of similar length to Wojo's: Sean Miller, Bobby Hurley, Mark Fox, Bob Huggins.
Indiana gave Archie Miller a 7-year deal in 2017 and haven't extended it since -- so I guess they didn't make a "significant effort" to lock him up.
Am I missing some coaches whose schools have given them 8-10 year contracts in one sitting?
You maybe right. MU also could have given Wojo a big raise to help keep him. The bigger point is MU has smartly given themselves an affordable out after next season.
I hope he earns a big raise and a longer contract.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2020, 04:58:08 PM
You maybe right. MU also could have given Wojo a big raise to help keep him. The bigger point is MU has smartly given themselves an affordable out after next season.
I hope he earns a big raise and a longer contract.
We agree completely.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
I don't think there are very many college coaches out there who have an 8-10 year contract.
Thats because there are very few out there that have the NCAA successes and end of season surges that Wojo has had.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
Thats because there are very few out there that have the NCAA successes and end of season surges that Wojo has had.
...Wojo doesn't have an 8-10 year contract either. Take your face out of the Mazos burger and try to keep up.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
...Wojo doesn't have an 8-10 year contract either. Take your face out of the Mazos burger and try to keep up.
Keeping way ahead of you with both hands tied behind my back. No problem.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 27, 2020, 06:56:53 AM
Keeping way ahead of you with both hands tied behind my back. No problem.
That Mazos burger must be a mess to eat without use of your hands. Good on you.