1. Can Wojo coach defense/was it scheme or personnel? He can and it was personnel.
2. Does home court matter? Yes. Just like MU at IU, K-state had not gone on the road yet. KSU looked like MU at Assembly Hall. It happens and is not unique to MU. Understand the rhythms and patterns.
3. Will Anim ever do anything? Yes.
4. When will Markus break loose? Today. 45 Holy Crap. Fun to see him get a little cocky as guys fouled out.
5. Can Marquette compete against good teams? Apparently
6. Was it too early to give up on this team after IU and Kansas? Just a little.
7. Does MU still turn the ball over too much? Way too much. As epidemic as the flu going through the team.
8. Will the Fiserv Forum be noisy? Yes.
9. Will MU ever get friendly officiating? Yes. Today. But honestly, those guys were just amazingly bad. The foul on Sam followed by the T was particularly egregious. But that is the state of college officiating. Bad bad bad.
10. Should Chartouny ever shoot another 3? Maybe not.
11. Is Theo John a badddddd man? Hell to the yeah.
12. Does depth matter? It all works out.
13. Are there still going to be complainers? This is scoop. Some guys here would complain about a threesome with supermodels. A great win.
Louisville and K-state. Both physical defensive teams. We won both games by being tougher and playing better D than them.
As long as K State isn't a pretender, this win should go a long way towards our March resume. Ugly game, but great win. Markus was unbelievable.
This team can scrap. This team can play when it's ugly. This team can defend. This is a different Wojo team.
Fantastic D today and the worst ref crew I've seen so far. Big win.
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
13. Are there still going to be complainers? This is scoop. Some guys here would complain about a threesome with supermodels. A great win.
Believe me, it's not that good.
Quote from: Archies Bat on December 01, 2018, 03:49:07 PM
Believe me, it's not that good.
I mean, *only* a threesome? Pfftttt.
My cable picked sh!tty day to go out. Radio only today.
Howard's points were all seemingly in the flow of the offense, can only recall one hero ball. For 45 points, that's pretty awesome.
Oddest officiated game I've ever seen, those guys were screwy, something weird going on.
Quote from: NickelDimer on December 01, 2018, 03:48:12 PM
This team can scrap. This team can play when it's ugly. This team can defend. This is a different Wojo team.
Felt this was the most encouraging aspect of this game. Defense definitely is MUCH better.
The rest of the game, hard to assess. Markus took 21 FTs. Officiating was brutal. Affected K State more due to early foul trouble and less depth.
Great win to get and helps offset Indiana loss.
Nice win. I don't see K State in the top 25 at the end of the season, so 12 is overrated, but still a very nice win. Sacar was aggressive, Markus was amazing and young Joey played some great D on Wade.
Nice to see some defense
All I've ever asked is that this team play hard, and boy do they do that! plus, there are some men on this club.
Multiple people on the K State board wishing Markus to have a season ending injury after he waved to the K State player that got fouled out, yikes
Great, great win! Sure we need to address turnovers but KSU also has a great defense. I could not be prouder of the toughness of this team.
Marcus put on a great show. Sacar showed others can drive and score besides Marcus. Bench played tough. Loved the game.
Congrats to all!
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on December 01, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
Multiple people on the K State board wishing Markus to have a season ending injury after he waved to the K State player that got fouled out, yikes
Sounds about right
-Loved watching Morrow play big underneath without fouling(much).
-MH was great.
-Cain played as much as Cam.
-I think Wojo should have sat Theo with 8 min left when he picked up his 4th.
-refs were unreal.
Foul and turnover festival. Still don't know rules on setting screens, some of them were ridiculous.
Great to have Theo, Ed and Matt playing the center role. But Theo and Ed must cut down on fouling abit, both had four apiece again. Haven't had this position option in years.
Joey played really good defense on Wade in first half.
Sacar with awesome game also. Missed free throws and wish he would have made that dunk, crowd was going nuts. Good quality minutes for him, made up for off day from Sam.
Markus with 19 for 21 from free throws. Crazy good.
Poor Jamal, played as much as a walk on.
Yesterday this was the worst Marquette team ever. Today it is the best. I will stand by those opinions until tomorrow.
#hopefullytealnotnecessary
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 01, 2018, 04:02:23 PM
-Cain played as much as Cam.
I was talking with some friends while watching the game from our respective homes, and we started to wonder if there's anything to make of that or was BB doing well enough for Wojo to not want to move away from him?
It's about time.
Keep it up guys. There's a rodent in your headlights longing to be road kill.
Quote from: mu.n8ball on December 01, 2018, 04:05:00 PM
I was talking with some friends while watching the game from our respective homes, and we started to wonder if there's anything to make of that or was BB doing well enough for Wojo to not want to move away from him?
I wouldn't look into it too much. Playing a strong physical team. Bailey is just stronger at this point, and was doing well. No need to mess with happy.
The Bailey putback and dunk on the following play was great to see. Not only to quell a comeback but for his confidence.
Glad to see some offense going to the hoop. Sacar really played well. Markus is unreal.
If that's what the NCAA wants in terms of calls, no one is going to watch the games. Both technicals were complete BS. Way too many whistles.
Great team win today. Kudos to the coaching staff.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 04:17:24 PM
Glad to see some offense going to the hoop. Sacar really played well. Markus is unreal.
If that's what the NCAA wants in terms of calls, no one is going to watch the games. Both technicals were complete BS. Way too many whistles.
Worst part was both calls were bad and the ref compounded them with even worse T's. What an ass
Yeah I didn't see the K-State call. But the one on Sam was terrible.
Quote from: NickelDimer on December 01, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Worst part was both calls were bad and the ref compounded them with even worse T's. What an ass
I'd be pissed if I was Kansas State. It was bad both ways, but the officiating destroyed a lot of flow to the game, and took a less-deep KS out of their game.
Quote from: Archies Bat on December 01, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
I'd be pissed if I was Kansas State. It was bad both ways, but the officiating destroyed a lot of flow to the game, and took a less-deep KS out of their game.
It most certainly did. And let's credit Markus and Sacar for knowing what to do to maximize the advantage. Markus' wave goodbye was the first swagger we've really seen from him this year. And a damn good sign.
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
I'd like to hear Wojo say .. MU didn't win because of the refs, K-State didn't lose because of them, but that crew should not see another college basketball game.
The number of stupid non-shooting fouls was off the charts, both ways. Not to mention a ton of shooting fouls NOT called. If those 3 bozos show up at Shake Shack for their freebie, they should be denied.
Great moment by a fan behind the MU bench who was on the Jumbotron, visibly reacting to one of the reffing crew's travesties in utter consternation .. who then got the left and right student sections yelling back and forth. That guy should be the new "jump around" guy on the Jumbotron.
.. the Chaluparena was maybe 90% full .. frankly, I didn't think it was very loud. I suppose MU was up most of the game so the crowd wasn't "needed." I kinda wonder, the stadium is so voluminous that sound dissipates in the space.
Also, what the hell is with the long lines for the men's bathrooms? It takes effort to screw that up.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
It most certainly did. And let's credit Markus and Sacar for knowing what to do to maximize the advantage. Markus' wave goodbye was the first swagger we've really seen from him this year. And a damn good sign.
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
So were there any empty seats at the game? The lower bowl was packed.
Tower hits this one out of the park. Nothing more to say. Shut down the thread or I'll insult the president
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 01, 2018, 04:31:17 PM
So were there any empty seats at the game? The lower bowl was packed.
Disagree. I looked around a lot .. The lower bowl had a surprisingly high number of empties, scattered around. It was mostly full, but several hundred empty, not even counting the 8-15 rows of empty student section.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
I'd like to hear Wojo say .. MU didn't win because of the refs, K-State didn't lose because of them, but that crew should not see another college basketball game.
The number of stupid non-shooting fouls was off the charts, both ways. Not to mention a ton of shooting fouls NOT called. If those 3 bozos show up at Shake Shack for their freebie, they should be denied.
Great moment by a fan behind the MU bench who was on the Jumbotron, visibly reacting to one of the reffing crew's travesties in utter consternation .. who then got the left and right student sections yelling back and forth. That guy should be the new "jump around" guy on the Jumbotron.
.. the Chaluparena was maybe 90% full .. frankly, I didn't think it was very loud. I suppose MU was up most of the game so the crowd wasn't "needed." I kinda wonder, the stadium is so voluminous that sound dissipates in the space.
Also, what the hell is with the long lines for the men's bathrooms? It takes effort to screw that up.
Let's ban them from Arby's.
Technical foul on the jsonline headline writer. It was NOT an upset dude. Line was -1.5. SMH.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2018/12/01/marquettes-markus-howard-scores-45-upset-kansas-state/2151873002/
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Well played.
I almost added:
90 secnds with three models, or 90 seconds with my wife...what's the diff?
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
It most certainly did. And let's credit Markus and Sacar for knowing what to do to maximize the advantage. Markus' wave goodbye was the first swagger we've really seen from him this year. And a damn good sign.
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
This was definitely a Rowsey-esque moment. I didn't hate it.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
It most certainly did. And let's credit Markus and Sacar for knowing what to do to maximize the advantage. Markus' wave goodbye was the first swagger we've really seen from him this year. And a damn good sign.
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
McGuirl got in Markus' face after he guarded him one possession and got a stop. He was talking $ht to Markus. That was a mistake
1. Great work, tower, and great work Warrior Eagles!
2. I rarely complain about the refs, and I'm not really "complaining" this time, either, because I think we generally will benefit from a tightly called game because of Markus' ability to draw bumps and hit FTs. But that was a really poorly officiated game. Both fouls/techs situations were awful, especially Sam's.
3. It's games like this that get me thinking Markus really can be an NBA player. Tremendous variety to his scoring game, although he does need to be a better ballhandler and distributor.
4. If I would have told you before the game that we would get 9 points combined from the Hausers, what would you have predicted the outcome would be?
5. Outstanding defensive game by Wojo's boys. Also, very impressed with the rebounding throughout.
6. Glad to be back. I was exiled for a week because the mods didn't like my political signature, which I guess was worse than others' political signatures. Whatevs. I stayed away an extra week because I didn't like the negativity after a great win against a good Louisville team. So I'm tanned, rested and ready, and thrilled to have a wonderful victory to talk about.
7. Bonus: The girls HS team I asst coach is 4-0 and ranked #5 in the Charlotte metro region. Lots of winning! (Except the Panthers, dammit.)
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:40:45 PM
Technical foul on the jsonline headline writer. It was NOT an upset dude. Line was -1.5. SMH.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2018/12/01/marquettes-markus-howard-scores-45-upset-kansas-state/2151873002/
While true, most casual readers would interpret an unranked team beating a highly ranked team as an upset. I get why they ran that.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
Glow—can you post that vid again?
Quote from: MU82 on December 01, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
1. Great work, tower, and great work War Eagles!
Whoa, wrong school.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 01, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
Glow—can you post that vid again?
That's a great tweet. 8-)
I wonder if one of you more technically astute guys can post it.
Drives to the rim, threes falling, strong d. Just a great effort all around. Weird reffing. Both t's were just egregious.
Someone needs to make a montage of Theo blocking the ball into people's faces and being erroneously whistled for a foul. So violent.
Very solid win.
Good overall performance.
Very good defending.
Need to figure out these turnovers. 20 is a little ridiculous.
Happy to see Sacar and the team attacking the paint. Benefits us so much.
The referring was atrocious but definitely benefited us. Can we get the same crew for next Saturday?
I don't know what Jamal did to have his playing time evaporate. Would not be surprised if we have one less player on the roster sooner than later.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 01, 2018, 04:48:31 PM
Whoa, wrong school.
Haha yeah, that's not and never will be an MU thing
Quote from: mufanatic on December 01, 2018, 05:01:08 PM
Very solid win.
Good overall performance.
Very good defending.
Need to figure out these turnovers. 20 is a little ridiculous.
Happy to see Sacar and the team attacking the paint. Benefits us so much.
The referring was atrocious but definitely benefited us. Can we get the same crew for next Saturday?
I don't know what Jamal did to have his playing time evaporate. Would not be surprised if we have one less player on the roster sooner than later.
Sacar is a better option and Bailey has apparently passed him up. Bailey is bigger and taller and is just as athletic.
I love when an opposing player shoots a shot or Free throw after the whistle and Theo goaltends the ball so the shooter doesn't see the ball go through the hoop.
Also, on the jump ball Theo won't stop until he gets it—I think for the same mental edge that HE got the ball and YOU didn't.
Big win against a good team. Preseason I predicted 10-3 non conference, and if we'd lost today there would have been a lot of pressure to win out. I think we can still win out, but the path to 10 non conference wins is now that much easier.
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
It most certainly did. And let's credit Markus and Sacar for knowing what to do to maximize the advantage. Markus' wave goodbye was the first swagger we've really seen from him this year. And a damn good sign.
'You wanna go home? Let's go home.'
Which game was that? Loved that
Quote from: Archies Bat on December 01, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
I'd be pissed if I was Kansas State. It was bad both ways, but the officiating destroyed a lot of flow to the game, and took a less-deep KS out of their game.
Amen.
Quote from: MU82 on December 01, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
1. Great work, tower, and great work War Eagles!
I'm going to have to object to the violent militarization of our mascot. The noble bird should not be depicted as an aggressive figure. This insensitivity to avians needs to end!
Just re-watched both technicals, on K-State, and later on Hauser.
Both calls by the refs were TERRIBLE. Both kids reacted with very short "WHAT???" with quick walking away .. Both got preposterous Technicals. 4 fouls, none of them should have been called. Turrible.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Great moment by a fan behind the MU bench who was on the Jumbotron, visibly reacting to one of the reffing crew's travesties in utter consternation .. who then got the left and right student sections yelling back and forth. That guy should be the new "jump around" guy on the Jumbotron.
You do realize that was scripted, right?
Quote from: connie on December 01, 2018, 05:11:02 PM
I'm going to have to object to the violent militarization of our mascot. The noble bird should not be depicted as an aggressive figure. This insensitivity to avians needs to end!
Meant to say Warrior Eagles. Not sure why it got truncated to War. Musta been my fat fingers.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on December 01, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
McGuirl got in Markus' face after he guarded him one possession and got a stop. He was talking $ht to Markus. That was a mistake
This.
Marcus certainly made him pay for talking trash.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
Just re-watched both technicals, on K-State, and later on Hauser.
Both calls by the refs were TERRIBLE. Both kids reacted with very short "WHAT???" with quick walking away .. Both got preposterous Technicals. 4 fouls, none of them should have been called. Turrible.
Jamie Luckie called both of them. He is a terrible referee.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on December 01, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
Multiple people on the K State board wishing Markus to have a season ending injury after he waved to the K State player that got fouled out, yikes
So that 24kt guy was from K State lol
Quote from: MUDish on December 01, 2018, 03:53:03 PM
Howard's points were all seemingly in the flow of the offense, can only recall one hero ball. For 45 points, that's pretty awesome.
Oddest officiated game I've ever seen, those guys were screwy, something weird going on.
Agreed with both.
The defense was outstanding and has been in all but 1 game this season.
Chartouney didn't do much for the stat sheet, but he played pretty well. Same with Joey, his defense was awesome.
We're going to be just fine. Just like the BE is going to be just fine.
Or maybe we're SLU and the BE is the A10/Sun Belt.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 05:22:44 PM
Ummm .. wut?
Yeah it didnt seem scripted to me. Seemed like a guy taking advantage of the situation.
And if it was scripted, great job MU.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
I'd like to hear Wojo say .. MU didn't win because of the refs, K-State didn't lose because of them, but that crew should not see another college basketball game.
The number of stupid non-shooting fouls was off the charts, both ways. Not to mention a ton of shooting fouls NOT called. If those 3 bozos show up at Shake Shack for their freebie, they should be denied.
Great moment by a fan behind the MU bench who was on the Jumbotron, visibly reacting to one of the reffing crew's travesties in utter consternation .. who then got the left and right student sections yelling back and forth. That guy should be the new "jump around" guy on the Jumbotron.
.. the Chaluparena was maybe 90% full .. frankly, I didn't think it was very loud. I suppose MU was up most of the game so the crowd wasn't "needed." I kinda wonder, the stadium is so voluminous that sound dissipates in the space.
Also, what the hell is with the long lines for the men's bathrooms? It takes effort to screw that up.
Wow sounded super loud second half on tv
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on December 01, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
Which game was that? Loved that
I believe it was March 3rd against Creighton. He nailed 2 free throws with 3 seconds left to ice the final Bradley Center game.
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 01, 2018, 03:53:32 PM
Felt this was the most encouraging aspect of this game. Defense definitely is MUCH better.
The rest of the game, hard to assess. Markus took 21 FTs. Officiating was brutal. Affected K State more due to early foul trouble and less depth.
Great win to get and helps offset Indiana loss.
Lol. Couldn't assess anything against Charleston Southern because the competition sucked (until you figured out we turned over the ball a lot, then we could assess our turnover problems based on Charleston Southern).
Now the competition steps up and we are up double digits almost the entire half but we can't assess anything because the refs sucked.
AKA Ners can only assess a Wojo coached team after a loss.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 01, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
Tower hits this one out of the park. Nothing more to say. Shut down the thread or I'll insult the president
I always insult him on twitter
Quote from: jsglow on December 01, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
I believe it was March 3rd against Creighton. He nailed 2 free throws with 3 seconds left to ice the final Bradley Center game.
Yep that sounds right.
I thought the arena was plenty loud despite the refs trying to make everyone miserable.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 04:17:24 PMIf that's what the NCAA wants in terms of calls, no one is going to watch the games. Both technicals were complete BS. Way too many whistles.
I rarely feel bad for opponents, but I did for KSU. There were absolutely terrible calls both ways, but their lack of depth couldn't sustain it. Aside from the technicals, the Dean Wade stretch between TV timeouts was crazy. At the 2nd half under-16, he had zero fouls. At the under-12 he had 4. I don't know if even Peter Ryckbosch could pick up 4 fouls that fast if he tried.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on December 01, 2018, 05:25:05 PM
Yeah it didnt seem scripted to me. Seemed like a guy taking advantage of the situation.
And if it was scripted, great job MU.
I just got done explaining the whole scene to my wife when I got home. I thought it was just a guy trying to act dorky, because he would stop making the face for a second, then make it again. I like to think I don't fall for things like that but like you said, if it was scripted fine. The end result getting the dualing student section cheering was fun
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 05:29:41 PM
Lol. Couldn't assess anything against Charleston Southern because the competition sucked (until you figured out we turned over the ball a lot, then we could assess our turnover problems based on Charleston Southern).
Now the competition steps up and we are up double digits almost the entire half but we can't assess anything because the refs sucked.
AKA Ners can only assess a Wojo coached team after a loss.
The officiating mattered in this game. We cant expect to draw half the starters into foul trouble every game. It's great that Markus &, Co took advantage of if today, but this crew was awful. This wont be the norm.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 01, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
The officiating mattered in this game. We cant expect to draw half the starters into foul trouble every game. It's great that Markus &, Co took advantage of if today, but this crew was awful. This wont be the norm.
They were awful both ways and there is no evidence to suggest we wouldn't have won the game anyways
I fully expect the exact opposite referee performance next week. Well the exact opposite from MU's point of view at least. Markus's arm/elbow motion on drives will be miraculously seen next Saturday even though it wasn't today. I expect him to foul out at some point
Quote from: skianth16 on December 01, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
The officiating mattered in this game. We cant expect to draw half the starters into foul trouble every game. It's great that Markus &, Co took advantage of if today, but this crew was awful. This wont be the norm.
Everyone needs their asterisk I guess.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 01, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
The officiating mattered in this game. We cant expect to draw half the starters into foul trouble every game. It's great that Markus &, Co took advantage of if today, but this crew was awful. This wont be the norm.
Bad reffing in college basketball will most definitely be the norm.
The refs were atrocious both ways.
But that's right. Wojo didn't beat Louisville, they beat themselves. Wojo hasn't made a single NCAA Tournament, our Xavier and Creighton wins don't count because of injuries and those pushed us into the Tournament. And we didn't beat KSU today because the refs sucked.
Sheesh. There was a lot to take away from today's game. Sacar has been found. Markus scored a lot without taking a lot of dumb shots or making a lot of dumb decisions. Bailey, Ed, and Chartouny are all contributing, though maybe not always in ways we thought or hoped they would. An offense that we've all been complaining about just scored 83 points on one of the best defensive teams in the country, while most people were predicting MU in the 60s. This was a very big, good win.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 01, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
The officiating mattered in this game. We cant expect to draw half the starters into foul trouble every game. It's great that Markus &, Co took advantage of if today, but this crew was awful. This wont be the norm.
The officiating mattered, but Wojo coached this one well. KSU clearly intended to chase Markus & Sam off the three point line early. That's how they had the early lead. We adjusted by attacking inside.
The refs made themselves known, but we took advantage by continuing to attack and using our depth. We established a double digit lead and after the first few minutes of the second half I don't think it ever got back to single digits. The fouls hurt them more than us because of depth (McGuirl & Trice were not good) & we pressed that advantage.
The refs did influence the game, but part of the reason for that is because we kept putting them into positions where they had to make calls if they are going to remain consistent.
Considering the amount of whistles blown, I was surprised that KSt took as many contested deep 2s as they did. When they attacked they got the call, they just didn't attack as much as us.
Quote from: DUNKS45 on December 01, 2018, 03:48:41 PM
Fantastic D today and the worst ref crew I've seen so far. Big win.
The foul called on Sam's block and then the subsequent technical was some weak weak weak weak sh!t
I thought the worst call was a shooting foul on Chartouny. He did make contact, but after the contact the shooter drove around a screen that stopped Chartouny & pulled up. When the showed the replay, JC was literally moving away from the shooter as he shot.
Quote from: mu.n8ball on December 01, 2018, 04:05:00 PM
I was talking with some friends while watching the game from our respective homes, and we started to wonder if there's anything to make of that or was BB doing well enough for Wojo to not want to move away from him?
My guess is Anim was playing so well that he ate up some of Jamal's minutes. No question though that Jamal has slid down the pecking order a bit. We'll need him one of these games, and he'll hit 3 or 4 threes, so I hope they don't bury him.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 01, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
My guess is Anim was playing so well that he ate up some of Jamal's minutes. No question though that Jamal has slid down the pecking order a bit. We'll need him one of these games, and he'll hit 3 or 4 threes, so I hope they don't bury him.
Agree. 39 minutes for Anim leaves little for JCain.
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on December 01, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
You do realize that was scripted, right?
The man in question
Was encouraged that the ever deadly second half opposing run was quickly quashed.
Quote from: ZaLiN on December 01, 2018, 06:27:55 PM
Was encouraged that the ever deadly second half opposing run was quickly quashed.
Smart early TO by Wojo.
No way that fan was scripted.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 01, 2018, 05:51:30 PM
The officiating mattered, but Wojo coached this one well. KSU clearly intended to chase Markus & Sam off the three point line early. That's how they had the early lead. We adjusted by attacking inside.
Markus was also smart responding to the high pressure on the dribble handoff play. Defenses play that so far out it seems like we have to start our attack from half court a few times each shot clock. Today a ocuple times he went downhill fast, then as the defender overreacted to catch up he slowed down and got a call when the defender ran into him. Ive been womdering how they would counter that defense and this was a nice response. Hopefully it's not totally reliant on todays quick whistles.
Quote from: MU82 on December 01, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
1. Great work, tower, and great work Warrior Eagles!
2. I rarely complain about the refs, and I'm not really "complaining" this time, either, because I think we generally will benefit from a tightly called game because of Markus' ability to draw bumps and hit FTs. But that was a really poorly officiated game. Both fouls/techs situations were awful, especially Sam's.
3. It's games like this that get me thinking Markus really can be an NBA player. Tremendous variety to his scoring game, although he does need to be a better ballhandler and distributor.
4. If I would have told you before the game that we would get 9 points combined from the Hausers, what would you have predicted the outcome would be?
5. Outstanding defensive game by Wojo's boys. Also, very impressed with the rebounding throughout.
6. Glad to be back. I was exiled for a week because the mods didn't like my political signature, which I guess was worse than others' political signatures. Whatevs. I stayed away an extra week because I didn't like the negativity after a great win against a good Louisville team. So I'm tanned, rested and ready, and thrilled to have a wonderful victory to talk about.
7. Bonus: The girls HS team I asst coach is 4-0 and ranked #5 in the Charlotte metro region. Lots of winning! (Except the Panthers, dammit.)
I was a loud angry Marquette fan after the KU game. I am happy to eat crow about this team recently. This defense is fun. I am excited.
I do want a little less Markus focus given some of his mistakes. But much fewer than the IU and KU games.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 01, 2018, 06:37:52 PM
No way that fan was scripted.
He had MU credential laniards on. I thought for sure it was scripted.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
He had MU credential laniards on. I thought for sure it was scripted.
He was ten seats away from me, it wasn't scripted. Lots of old guys wearing their pass on a lanyard in those parts.
Quote from: PTM on December 01, 2018, 06:44:14 PM
He was ten seats away from me, it wasn't scripted. Lots of old guys wearing their pass on a lanyard in those parts.
Gotcha. From the Jumbotron it seemed like an MU employee who was ready to put on a show.
Very, very nice win today. Only gripe from me, the refs were horrible and sapped away the flow of the game. They were bad across the board.
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Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
He had MU credential laniards on. I thought for sure it was scripted.
I don't think it was. People behind me said that guy was the husband of their kid's teacher (the were from IL). They were unsure if he even went to MU (she did). I'd say definitely not scripted.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 06:28:39 PM
Smart early TO by Wojo.
Careful, Sultan. Praising Wojo not allowed. We'd be so much better if we had hired Cuonzo ... so he could have quit after a couple of years and gone to Mizzou.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Gotcha. From the Jumbotron it seemed like an MU employee who was ready to put on a show.
Haha oh that guy was ready to put on a show. Just not premeditated.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Gotcha. From the Jumbotron it seemed like an MU employee who was ready to put on a show.
He's a pretty vocal regular, definitely not a plant.
I did enjoy Kris Kross' Jump in lieu of Jump Around
Quote from: MU82 on December 01, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
1. Great work, tower, and great work Warrior Eagles!
2. I rarely complain about the refs, and I'm not really "complaining" this time, either, because I think we generally will benefit from a tightly called game because of Markus' ability to draw bumps and hit FTs. But that was a really poorly officiated game. Both fouls/techs situations were awful, especially Sam's.
3. It's games like this that get me thinking Markus really can be an NBA player. Tremendous variety to his scoring game, although he does need to be a better ballhandler and distributor.
4. If I would have told you before the game that we would get 9 points combined from the Hausers, what would you have predicted the outcome would be?
5. Outstanding defensive game by Wojo's boys. Also, very impressed with the rebounding throughout.
6. Glad to be back. I was exiled for a week because the mods didn't like my political signature, which I guess was worse than others' political signatures. Whatevs. I stayed away an extra week because I didn't like the negativity after a great win against a good Louisville team. So I'm tanned, rested and ready, and thrilled to have a wonderful victory to talk about.
7. Bonus: The girls HS team I asst coach is 4-0 and ranked #5 in the Charlotte metro region. Lots of winning! (Except the Panthers, dammit.)
#6 How about just stop doing the political signatures, is it that hard?
#7 Poor girls are being held back :D
Welcome back
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 01, 2018, 06:16:49 PM
The man in question
Is the baby blue pullover the new yellow sweater vest!?!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 01, 2018, 06:37:52 PM
No way that fan was scripted.
I'm assuming he got both sides of the student sections involved? That's a natural that should be done anyway, but if the students reacted all the better. There could be some great back and forth between student section sides if the university would choreograph some of it. Or get the men's LAX team to help. ;)
20 turnovers. Not great. Noooot great. I expected worse. And since we had the same against Charleston southern who led some unnamed people aren't actually good, then our offense really improved the TO's.
Quote from: PTM on December 01, 2018, 06:44:14 PM
He was ten seats away from me, it wasn't scripted. Lots of old guys wearing their pass on a lanyard in those parts.
It's the new sweater vest
Quote from: PTM on December 01, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
He's a pretty vocal regular, definitely not a plant.
I did enjoy Kris Kross' Jump in lieu of Jump Around
They did play Jump Around in the first half.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 01, 2018, 07:07:29 PM
It's the new sweater vest
Sonuva...um, my friend will be upset.
#6 amen, let's focus on MU :)))
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 05:29:41 PM
Lol. Couldn't assess anything against Charleston Southern because the competition sucked (until you figured out we turned over the ball a lot, then we could assess our turnover problems based on Charleston Southern).
Now the competition steps up and we are up double digits almost the entire half but we can't assess anything because the refs sucked.
AKA Ners can only assess a Wojo coached team after a loss.
So sensitive Wades. I posted positives around this game. Some encouraging signs...notably we looked tougher than we've been in the last 4 seasons, much better defense, and didn't look a 1/4 step too slow against a high major team with some good athletes.
That aside, if you don't feel this was an odd game, oddly officiated, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm surprised you are okay with this game given that Markus was chasing the "50 burger." He was sublime/at his absolute best today. Ceiling level performance. Not sure you can count on him getting 21 trips to the FT in most games going forward.
As you like to say, it's just one early season game. Nothing to get too high about, or too low about. But, for one night we shall celebrate Wojo's 2nd best victory in his 140th game at the helm.
#vegasisprettysmart
How many of the offensive fouls were of the dribble handoff-called-offensive-foul variety? And I believe at least 1 was also a moving screen.
This team at times gets too sped up trying to get up court off of a rebound or turnover. The good thing is today it was pretty much all with the dribble or shorter passes and not trying to throw it across the court where a defender was able to easily jump it and get out on the run.
Quote from: WarriorDad on December 01, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
#6 How about just stop doing the political signatures, is it that hard?
#7 Poor girls are being held back :D
Welcome back
#6 I have, so obviously it isn't that hard.
#7 Not sure what this means.
Thanks
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 01, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
So sensitive Wades. I posted positives around this game. Some encouraging signs...notably we looked tougher than we've been in the last 4 seasons, much better defense, and didn't look a 1/4 step too slow against a high major team with some good athletes.
That aside, if you don't feel this was an odd game, oddly officiated, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm surprised you are okay with this game given that Markus was chasing the "50 burger." He was sublime/at his absolute best today. Ceiling level performance. Not sure you can count on him getting 21 trips to the FT in most games going forward.
As you like to say, it's just one early season game. Nothing to get too high about, or too low about. But, for one night we shall celebrate Wojo's 2nd best victory in his 140th game at the helm.
Sensitive? Not really.
I'm pretty sure that guy is the fan in the yellow pullover at the end of this video: https://youtu.be/kvgOfL0bezM
What a weird situation. The refs were looking at a video and it looked like the ref wanted to someone to be ejected. The security guy was trying to quiet the crowd around them and then the video switched to the blue pullover guy...
Hey for those watching on television, how about those city shots they showed of Milwaukee with the sun out and green leaves on the trees?
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 07:33:50 PM
Hey for those watching on television, how about those city shots they showed of Milwaukee with the sun out and green leaves on the trees?
Yeah, it was fun driving home in all that liquid sunshine!
On my tv, the crowd seemed into it and pretty loud. I don't know if the court mic's are turned up (or whatever) at FF,
but sounded like MU had a good homecourt advantage today thanks to the crowd.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 07:33:50 PM
Hey for those watching on television, how about those city shots they showed of Milwaukee with the sun out and green leaves on the trees?
Glass half full... or half empty?
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on December 01, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
Multiple people on the K State board wishing Markus to have a season ending injury after he waved to the K State player that got fouled out, yikes
Markus took out their star Wade on fouls. It was intentional. Marcus took him out on purpose.
Quote from: WarriorDad on December 01, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
I'm assuming he got both sides of the student sections involved? That's a natural that should be done anyway, but if the students reacted all the better. There could be some great back and forth between student section sides if the university would choreograph some of it. Or get the men's LAX team to help. ;)
WarriorDad!!!!
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on December 01, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
You do realize that was scripted, right?
I was sitting behind him. It was most certainly not scripted
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083249
Box score
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 01, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
My guess is Anim was playing so well that he ate up some of Jamal's minutes. No question though that Jamal has slid down the pecking order a bit. We'll need him one of these games, and he'll hit 3 or 4 threes, so I hope they don't bury him.
Since they said that the flu was going around, could Jamal been suffering from it?
Great game. If you told me beforehand that MU would commit 20 turnovers, I'd have thought Kansas St. won running away. We didn't even light it up from outside: just 6-22 (27%) from 3-point range. But we played tough defense and made a stunning 19 of 22 shots inside the arc. That's 86% on 2-pointers. Incredible.
Plenty to improve on. But a hard-fought, well-deserved win.
Quote from: Marcus92 on December 01, 2018, 08:38:57 PM
Great game. If you told me beforehand that MU would commit 20 turnovers, I'd have thought Kansas St. won running away. We didn't even light it up from outside: just 6-22 (27%) from 3-point range. But we played tough defense and made a stunning 19 of 22 shots inside the arc. That's 86% on 2-pointers. Incredible.
Plenty to improve on. But a hard-fought, well-deserved win.
Weber can't coach defense! Is it personnel or scheme?
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on December 01, 2018, 05:25:05 PM
Yeah it didnt seem scripted to me. Seemed like a guy taking advantage of the situation.
And if it was scripted, great job MU.
That guy is a natural and the students picked up on it so well. The end was great, when he got both sides going together. Perfect way to take advantage of having the student section separated - call and response.
Quote from: forgetful on December 01, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
Louisville and K-state. Both physical defensive teams. We won both games by being tougher and playing better D than them.
I believe KS was 5th in country on defense
Did anyone notice KS had trouble guarding the high pick and roll? 5th best defense in the country. As improved as MU is defensively, I have little doubt that there will be another game where the rotations are a step slow. It is an offensive staple for a reason.
Great win! Drive back to Chicago a happy one! Great job by coaching staff and players. Solid D. All good except the turnover. Go Marquette!
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 01, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
So sensitive Wades. I posted positives around this game. Some encouraging signs...notably we looked tougher than we've been in the last 4 seasons, much better defense, and didn't look a 1/4 step too slow against a high major team with some good athletes.
That aside, if you don't feel this was an odd game, oddly officiated, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm surprised you are okay with this game given that Markus was chasing the "50 burger." He was sublime/at his absolute best today. Ceiling level performance. Not sure you can count on him getting 21 trips to the FT in most games going forward.
As you like to say, it's just one early season game. Nothing to get too high about, or too low about. But, for one night we shall celebrate Wojo's 2nd best victory in his 140th game at the helm.
It appeared that you were much lower about "one early season game" (IU) than you were higher about the same.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 01, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
I thought the worst call was a shooting foul on Chartouny. He did make contact, but after the contact the shooter drove around a screen that stopped Chartouny & pulled up. When the showed the replay, JC was literally moving away from the shooter as he shot.
I haven't been able to watch the replay, but when they showed it on the jumbotron, it looks like Joe's hand is on the shooters back as he is shooting.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
He had MU credential laniards on. I thought for sure it was scripted.
A lot of the lanyards in that section are for the courtside and president's club access. It was definitely not scripted
It was after the entire stadium was dumbfounded after a Theo foul. Seemed entirely spontaneous.
I love seeing that our team is finally starting to find an identity. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
Quote from: Daniel on December 01, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
Great win! Drive back to Chicago a happy one! Great job by coaching staff and players. Solid D. All good except the turnover. Go Marquette!
Thing about the high TO number, how many of those were goofy offensive fouls called by the refs? 4?5?6?
Subtract those out and you have at least a reasonable Turnover #
Quote from: whitykj on December 01, 2018, 09:53:15 PM
I love seeing that our team is finally starting to find an identity. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
What identity?
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 07:33:50 PM
Hey for those watching on television, how about those city shots they showed of Milwaukee with the sun out and green leaves on the trees?
I laughed at this. They also showed a snowy 90/94 a few weeks back for a depaul game on a day it was 55. Not even trying to hide it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 01, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
What identity?
Defense: Strong Defensive Rebounding team. Can turn the ball over on ball handlers. Force Tough shots
Offense: Balanced attack between shooting/ slashing/ and inside. Markus not the primary ball handler all the time. Pick and Roll heavy with Sam and Joey rolling to the 3 and Theo and John rolling to the rack.
At the start of the season this might have been what they were going for but it was hard to tell because of all the turnovers and mistakes. Glad to see it.
One comment from BringOnTheCats.com posted during the second half summed things up nicely:
This game is over
Unless Markus Howard leaves the court for some reason.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 01, 2018, 09:30:43 PM
A lot of the lanyards in that section are for the courtside and president's club access. It was definitely not scripted
Sounds like next season they're going to have a lot of people trying to figure out how to hang their smartphone from a lanyard.
Im not worried about jamal barely playing, i think he's staying
Flu? Jamal May be so deep in Wojo's doghouse it's heartworm.
Hope he gets out and stays.
First time in forever that I thought we got a very friendly whistle against another major. It was equally bad for both teams, but the timing favored MU in that K State got their fouls earlier and put them in ful trouble earlier forcing them to their bench early, where there seemed to be a huge dropoff. But we certainly deserved to win that game.
Besides Markus' ridiculously good game, team defense was the most impressive thing about the win. Could have been even a bigger win if we were our usual selves from three. Shooting inside the arc was off the charts, which more than made up for it. Too many turnovers, but I can live with that if they are from being aggressive. Best all around game in a very long while. Have to keep the momentum going for another full week.
Sacar was ahead of Cain last year. No surprise that he is this year as well. Bailey playing ahead of him is more of a surprise, but Bailey is bigger and just as athletic. We will see how it plays out.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 02, 2018, 07:43:41 AM
Besides Markus' ridiculously good game, team defense was the most impressive thing about the win. Could have been even a bigger win if we were our usual selves from three. Shooting inside the arc was off the charts, which more than made up for it. Too many turnovers, but I can live with that if they are from being aggressive. Best all around game in a very long while. Have to keep the momentum going for another full week.
This was it for me too. The switches are much more effective when they occur. Transition d was always focused on stopping the ball first. The person I am most impressed with is Markus. He seems to be working hard to move his feet and stay in front of his man. He has upped his effort & effectiveness.
Quote from: WarriorDad on December 01, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
I'm assuming he got both sides of the student sections involved? That's a natural that should be done anyway, but if the students reacted all the better. There could be some great back and forth between student section sides if the university would choreograph some of it. Or get the men's LAX team to help. ;)
Totally agree. Getting half the stadium to chant "We Are" and the other "Marquette" would be cool. Have seen that done in football stadiums with great effect. No reason it wouldn't work for hoops. Cheerleaders could get them going pretty easily I would think.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
.. the Chaluparena was maybe 90% full .. frankly, I didn't think it was very loud. I suppose MU was up most of the game so the crowd wasn't "needed." I kinda wonder, the stadium is so voluminous that sound dissipates in the space.
The game was stopped way too much to look at the monitor. MU was always up double digits. I thought the crowd was excellent! I thought all 3,100 would show up. That was a bit disappointing.
Also, keep in mind with some empty seats. Many watch the game in the Panorama Club and other such standing room area's.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 02, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
Sacar was ahead of Cain last year. No surprise that he is this year as well. Bailey playing ahead of him is more of a surprise, but Bailey is bigger and just as athletic. We will see how it plays out.
Bailey had a very active and productive 12 minutes yesterday. Was surprised he did not play more in the 2nd half. Brendan is bigger and stronger than Jamal.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 02, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
Bailey had a very active and productive 12 minutes yesterday. Was surprised he did not play more in the 2nd half. Brendan is bigger and stronger than Jamal.
I think he really only plays a little to spell Sacar. He doesn't give them much offensively outside of hustle. He worries me whenever he puts the ball on the floor.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 02, 2018, 07:39:42 AM
Flu? Jamal May be so deep in Wojo's doghouse it's heartworm.
Hope he gets out and stays.
Just because a player doesn't play doesn't mean he's in the coach's doghouse. We have a logjam at the three. The best players will earn time. Lately, Sacar, Bailey, Joe, Joey, and Ed have been playing better. That means they either get time at the three or push other players to the three, taking from Cain's minutes. It will only get more crowded when Elliott comes back.
We always knew Wojo would shorten his rotation at some point. Someone was always gonna end up at that back of the bench. Right now it looks like its going to be Cain. We'll see though, he could earn his way back.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 02, 2018, 09:13:11 AM
I think he really only plays a little to spell Sacar. He doesn't give them much offensively outside of hustle. He worries me whenever he puts the ball on the floor.
I disagree. Btw, Brendan has 1 TO in 112 minutes.
Oh I agree. He just seems weak with the ball. I have no reason to believe that Jamal would be better in that role.
If Jamal continues on a path of 1 minute per game he's not staying.
You can argue that he doesn't deserve more due to rotations and caliber of players in front of him—which may be true.
However, if this trend continues, well......
It's a long season and we are an injury away from desperately in need of him, so I hope he sticks it out.
I very much like the Bailey over Cain by Wojo. He looks to me that he might have a much higher ceiling as a college player. In addition, Morrow continues to look better and that is a positive sign. IMO, Morrow is the difference maker moving forward. If he and Bailey stay on the court, I like this team more than I did two weeks ago.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 02, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
Sacar was ahead of Cain last year. No surprise that he is this year as well. Bailey playing ahead of him is more of a surprise, but Bailey is bigger and just as athletic. We will see how it plays out.
Sacar is the best slasher on the team - a needed element. Neither Cain nor Bailey are effective slashers YET, and both are more upright type of players than a guy like Sacar or even JJJ - guys who could play lower to the floor on their drives, and as a result create better angles/effectiveness on their drives
I disagree about Brendan being a better athlete than Cain. Cain in my view has more quickness and bounce overall than Brendan. Neither are very strong with the ball at this point.
Quote from: Floorslapper on December 02, 2018, 11:47:51 AM
Sacar is the best slasher on the team - a needed element. Neither Cain nor Bailey are effective slashers YET, and both are more upright type of players than a guy like Sacar or even JJJ - guys who could play lower to the floor on their drives, and as a result create better angles/effectiveness on their drives
I disagree about Brendan being a better athlete than Cain. Cain in my view has more quickness and bounce overall than Brendan. Neither are very strong with the ball at this point.
To be fair, I said "just as athletic." I may be wrong, but I don't think the difference is that great.
Maybe wrong but looks like BB is a better defender
Agree with ners.
I believe Cain is a better athlete and better rebounder. However BB's D and upside can't be ignored.
Quote from: fjm on December 02, 2018, 12:49:12 PM
Agree with ners.
I believe Cain is a better athlete and better rebounder. However BB's D and upside can't be ignored.
I disagree on being the better athlete. Cain is good but BB is like a bigger version — it just looks easier for him, even with the frosh mistakes.
BB is a more polished basketball player. Cain is very good athlete, but I do not see the basketball skills or ball IQ. IMO, BB is a much better option.
Right now, BB has growing confidence. Jamal does not. BB is not turning the ball over. Jamal is. BB is a little longer and is playing better. Athleticism is a push when one player is playing to the scout and the other isn't.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 01, 2018, 05:44:55 PM
Everyone needs their asterisk I guess.
I didn't mean for this to come across as an asterisk. I thought we played great, tough defense, we showed a much more balanced offensive attack than usual, and Wojo had a heckuva gameplan. And of course a great individual performance from Markus showing how versatile he can be on offense.
GooooMarquette mentioned in NM that Markus is now at 1,285 points, good for 27th in Marquette history. He will likely pass Davante next game (1,287) and if he stays on his current pace (22.6 ppg) will climb into 3rd by the end of the season, and that's if we are one-and-done in the BET with no postseason. It's not unthinkable that some deep runs in the BET & NCAA could have him close to or even passing Jerel McNeal before this season is over.
I'll be honest, this is part of the reason I've been frustrated this season. If he stays healthy & finishes his eligibility, Markus will absolutely shatter McNeal's record. It's conceivable that he could not only be the first MU player to score 2,000 points but the first to score 2,500. He could end up a top-25 all-time scorer in NCAA history & make a run at Troy Bell's all-time Big East record (2,632).
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
GooooMarquette mentioned in NM that Markus is now at 1,285 points, good for 27th in Marquette history. He will likely pass Davante next game (1,287) and if he stays on his current pace (22.6 ppg) will climb into 3rd by the end of the season, and that's if we are one-and-done in the BET with no postseason. It's not unthinkable that some deep runs in the BET & NCAA could have him close to or even passing Jerel McNeal before this season is over.
I'll be honest, this is part of the reason I've been frustrated this season. If he stays healthy & finishes his eligibility, Markus will absolutely shatter McNeal's record. It's conceivable that he could not only be the first MU player to score 2,000 points but the first to score 2,500. He could end up a top-25 all-time scorer in NCAA history & make a run at Troy Bell's all-time Big East record (2,632).
Passing GT this year would be amazing...no debate over 3 vs 4 yrs — he would be the undisputed scoring king.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 02, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Passing GT this year would be amazing...no debate over 3 vs 4 yrs — he would be the undisputed scoring king.
If Howard stays healthy, he needs to average 20.3 ppg to be guaranteed to pass Thompson without needing any postseason play. I think there's a very good chance a healthy Howard will be at worst 3rd on the scoring chart when the season ends.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
GooooMarquette mentioned in NM that Markus is now at 1,285 points, good for 27th in Marquette history. He will likely pass Davante next game (1,287) and if he stays on his current pace (22.6 ppg) will climb into 3rd by the end of the season, and that's if we are one-and-done in the BET with no postseason. It's not unthinkable that some deep runs in the BET & NCAA could have him close to or even passing Jerel McNeal before this season is over.
I'll be honest, this is part of the reason I've been frustrated this season. If he stays healthy & finishes his eligibility, Markus will absolutely shatter McNeal's record. It's conceivable that he could not only be the first MU player to score 2,000 points but the first to score 2,500. He could end up a top-25 all-time scorer in NCAA history & make a run at Troy Bell's all-time Big East record (2,632).
I don't follow—what's the reason for the frustration?
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 02, 2018, 05:20:57 PM
I don't follow—what's the reason for the frustration?
We have one of the two most gifted scorers in school history, along with Sam Hauser (who will likely finish top-10, if not top-5), and the deepest roster to support them we've seen in a generation.
That's a big part of why I was so frustrated after IU and KU. One we never got off the mat, the other we didn't show up for the second half. Yesterday alleviated some of that because there were legitimate coaching moves that made the difference. I just don't want to see Howard and Hauser end up leaving without having some real success. It would feel like a waste if those two talents didn't make runs at Big East titles and NCAA games where their are few enough teams left to identify your success with a number.
Gotcha—very legit points.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2018, 05:26:17 PM
We have one of the two most gifted scorers in school history, along with Sam Hauser (who will likely finish top-10, if not top-5), and the deepest roster to support them we've seen in a generation.
That's a big part of why I was so frustrated after IU and KU. One we never got off the mat, the other we didn't show up for the second half. Yesterday alleviated some of that because there were legitimate coaching moves that made the difference. I just don't want to see Howard and Hauser end up leaving without having some real success. It would feel like a waste if those two talents didn't make runs at Big East titles and NCAA games where their are few enough teams left to identify your success with a number.
That's why seasons are 30+ games. A lot of season left, for both frustrations and excitement. We are right where reasonable people would expect.
Quiet around here after a top 15 win.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 02, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
Quiet around here after a top 15 win.
Not much to bitch about, hey!
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 02, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
Quiet around here after a top 15 win.
Well, the "highly successful" coach of a nearby underperforming football team was just fired. Just saying...
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2018, 08:12:53 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083249
Box score
I just now looked at this.
Was a little surprised about Theo's stat line. Was also surprised that their bench outscored ours 19-11.
Other than that, about what you'd expect when our opponent gets Markused.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 02, 2018, 07:46:30 PM
I just now looked at this.
Was a little surprised about Theo's stat line. Was also surprised that their bench outscored ours 19-11.
Other than that, about what you'd expect when our opponent gets Markused.
How much of their bench scoring can be attributed to the early foul trouble of their starters?
Pretty annoyed that frontrowsports.eu didn't carry a stream of this one, but with free internet streams of questionable legality I guess you get what you pay for...
So boxscore take:
1) Huge win. Well done to Wojo - sounds/looks like he had a game plan and it was executed.
2) Good to see our big time player step up in a big time game.
3) I've said it before - Chartouny getting 25-30 is a must - he's unlikely to have many double-digit scoring games but we don't need a "score-first" PG.
4) A bit concerned this team is "Markus or die". Last year's Providence comes to mind. How many games to we win when Markus is on his "C" game? How many will we need to win? How many "C" games will he have? (Although if this is him on the flu, maybe this IS a "C" game).
5) If you would have told me Friday we were going to have 20 turnovers and a 12 point win I'd have said you were crazy.
6) I REALLY want to believe this can be a "turning the corner" game, really for the entire Wojo era. But we've been there before, and disappointment followed. Indeed, the fact that there was a thread debating if this was up among the "greatest Wojo-era wins ever" says it all. This was a good, solid, W. But winning against top-25 competition at home is something we should expect from this program (especially in "year 5"), not something that should have us thinking about making t-shirts for the students. It's a great stepping stone but now let's run off 5 more straight non-con wins.
Quote from: 1SE on December 03, 2018, 04:42:39 AM
Pretty annoyed that frontrowsports.eu didn't carry a stream of this one, but with free internet streams of questionable legality I guess you get what you pay for...
So boxscore take:
1) Huge win. Well done to Wojo - sounds/looks like he had a game plan and it was executed.
2) Good to see our big time player step up in a big time game.
3) I've said it before - Chartouny getting 25-30 is a must - he's unlikely to have many double-digit scoring games but we don't need a "score-first" PG.
4) A bit concerned this team is "Markus or die". Last year's Providence comes to mind. How many games to we win when Markus is on his "C" game? How many will we need to win? How many "C" games will he have? (Although if this is him on the flu, maybe this IS a "C" game).
5) If you would have told me Friday we were going to have 20 turnovers and a 12 point win I'd have said you were crazy.
6) I REALLY want to believe this can be a "turning the corner" game, really for the entire Wojo era. But we've been there before, and disappointment followed. Indeed, the fact that there was a thread debating if this was up among the "greatest Wojo-era wins ever" says it all. This was a good, solid, W. But winning against top-25 competition at home is something we should expect from this program (especially in "year 5"), not something that should have us thinking about making t-shirts for the students. It's a great stepping stone but now let's run off 5 more straight non-con wins.
First row has really gone down in quality lately
Quote from: 1SE on December 03, 2018, 04:42:39 AM
How many games to we win when Markus is on his "C" game?
I recall a certain Villanova game a couple of years ago....actually that was more of a D- game.
It seems to me that when one of our stars has an off game, the other guys step up. Sam had a C game on Saturday and it didn't matter.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 03, 2018, 07:03:45 AMSam had a C game on Saturday and it didn't matter.
You are a generous grader. 🤣
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
Just re-watched both technicals, on K-State, and later on Hauser.
Both calls by the refs were TERRIBLE. Both kids reacted with very short "WHAT???" with quick walking away .. Both got preposterous Technicals. 4 fouls, none of them should have been called. Turrible.
If Wojo didnt say something to his boys in the huddle about reacting to foul calls after the T on KSU, then he screwed up. I was waiting for the "makeup call" T on MU as soon as that happened. Unfortunately for Sam, he does that every time hes called for a foul.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
You are a generous grader. 🤣
I am giving him some credit for the BS foul and technical in the first half that undoubtedly influenced his overall performance. :)
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 08:01:08 AM
If Wojo didnt say something to his boys in the huddle about reacting to foul calls after the T on KSU, then he screwed up. I was waiting for the "makeup call" T on MU as soon as that happened. Unfortunately for Sam, he does that every time hes called for a foul.
I think this is pretty spot-on. Was it the same ref that called both? If it wasn't, I could see the explanation given to Sam being something along the lines of "I didn't think it was a technical, but we have to be consistent, and your reaction was identical to the KSt players reaction so...".
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
I think this is pretty spot-on. Was it the same ref that called both? If it wasn't, I could see the explanation given to Sam being something along the lines of "I didn't think it was a technical, but we have to be consistent, and your reaction was identical to the KSt players reaction so...".
Yep, same dude.
Quote from: MU82 on December 01, 2018, 07:30:30 PM
#6 I have, so obviously it isn't that hard.
#7 Not sure what this means.
Thanks
Well thank you for finally seeing the light. Political signatures and comments have been the norm with you. They dont make you seem smarter, just boorish. Its kind of like arguing religion at a party, just a bad look.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 08:15:48 AM
Well thank you for finally seeing the light. Political signatures and comments have been the norm with you. They dont make you seem smarter, just boorish. Its kind of like arguing religion at a party, just a bad look.
Irony.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 02, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
Sacar was ahead of Cain last year. No surprise that he is this year as well. Bailey playing ahead of him is more of a surprise, but Bailey is bigger and just as athletic. We will see how it plays out.
Bailey also plays better defense n is much more skilled.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 08:15:48 AM
Well thank you for finally seeing the light. Political signatures and comments have been the norm with you. They dont make you seem smarter, just boorish. Its kind of like arguing religion at a party, just a bad look.
Thanks for this.
Always valuable getting lectured by somebody who repeatedly displays his cluelessness and lack of class.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2018, 08:35:21 AM
Thanks for this.
Always valuable getting lectured by somebody who repeatedly displays his cluelessness and lack of class.
Thx i guess it takes one to know one.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 08:38:30 AM
Thx i guess it takes one to know one.
I know you are, but what am I?
Your mother wears combat boots!
You're a jerk, no you're a jerk, no you are, no you are.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2018, 08:43:17 AM
I know you are, but what am I?
Your mother wears combat boots!
You're a jerk, no you're a jerk, no you are, no you are.
I'm rubber, and you're glue!
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
He had MU credential laniards on. I thought for sure it was scripted.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 01, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Gotcha. From the Jumbotron it seemed like an MU employee who was ready to put on a show.
This was my impression, as well.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 01, 2018, 06:50:22 PM
I don't think it was. People behind me said that guy was the husband of their kid's teacher (the were from IL). They were unsure if he even went to MU (she did). I'd say definitely not scripted.
I stand corrected. Well done by the fan. Regardless, it was a great moment during a fun and much-needed win!
Now beat Bucky!
Quote from: warriorchick on December 03, 2018, 08:12:30 AM
Yep, same dude.
Does anyone know if that was a BEast crew, Big12 crew, or mixed bag? I'm not big on following refs but I think I would remember that Luckie guy.
Quote from: BossplayaOtto on December 03, 2018, 09:03:41 AM
This was my impression, as well.
I stand corrected. Well done by the fan. Regardless, it was a great moment during a fun and much-needed win!
Now beat Bucky!
And bring back that guy to lead the cheers! He's Jump Around Guy 2.0.
I rewatched the game on FS1's streaming site last night and even the on-air guys were talking about him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 02, 2018, 09:14:46 AMJust because a player doesn't play doesn't mean he's in the coach's doghouse. We have a logjam at the three. The best players will earn time. Lately, Sacar, Bailey, Joe, Joey, and Ed have been playing better. That means they either get time at the three or push other players to the three, taking from Cain's minutes. It will only get more crowded when Elliott comes back.
We always knew Wojo would shorten his rotation at some point. Someone was always gonna end up at that back of the bench. Right now it looks like its going to be Cain. We'll see though, he could earn his way back.
The difference between Brendan and Jamal isn't that great.
Brendan has played a grand total of 16 more minutes than Jamal at this point in the season. That's just 2 minutes a game. Neither one is shooting well so far (Brendan at 35.5 EFG%, Jamal at 44.0%). But they're both contributing off the bench with good defense and rebounding (an area where Jamal clearly shines, leading the team in DR%). I expect they'll settle in and improve as everyone learns how to play together as a team.
For comparison, both Brendan and Jamal have seen more time on the court than Ed Morrow. I'd be surprised if Ed is averaging 11 mpg at the end of the season. We're only 8 games in. It's early.
Quote from: naginiF on December 03, 2018, 09:29:27 AM
Does anyone know if that was a BEast crew, Big12 crew, or mixed bag? I'm not big on following refs but I think I would remember that Luckie guy.
Crews aren't conference specific for basketball. (Unlike football.)
I'm not sure if the BE conference takes responsibility for booking referees for non-conference games or if it is the responsibility of the home team.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 03, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
And bring back that guy to lead the cheers! He's Jump Around Guy 2.0.
I rewatched the game on FS1's streaming site last night and even the on-air guys were talking about him.
Can someone summarize what he actually did? I remember the announcers talking about it, but no one has really actually described what happened.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 03, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
Can someone summarize what he actually did? I remember the announcers talking about it, but no one has really actually described what happened.
After an egregious call the camera just so happened to go to this man who was mocking the ref unknowing that he is on the jumbo tron. When he realized he kept the charade going and the students started cheering for him. He was also sitting on the sideline, which is meaningful, because he then began to point to one student section baseline and they cheered and then he pointed to the opposite side and they cheered. He went back and forth 4 or 5 times and then prompted both sides to cheer. It was a fun timeout that kept the fans entertained and kept energy in the building through a timeout. It is what home court advantage is all about
Quote from: naginiF on December 03, 2018, 09:29:27 AM
Does anyone know if that was a BEast crew, Big12 crew, or mixed bag? I'm not big on following refs but I think I would remember that Luckie guy.
I saw some comments on a KSU board that it was pretty standard from Jamie Luckie. I think it was a Big 12 crew, they seemed to know him well.
Possibly this has been addressed but are those Big East refs we had for the game? It was absolutely terrible.
Refs dont work for a conference they are independent contracters. Colleges use "assigners" that they contract to fill referees for their homegames. These assigners use their "rolodex" to fill all the games. Usually refs just wirk regions not conferences, ie the midwest. May work a big ten in evanstan one night and a BE in milwaukee the next. Etc. That said the bigger games usually get the "better" refs and the bigger conferences pay more. I have 3 friends that are D1 officials
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 10:33:38 AM
Refs dont work for a conference they are independent contracters. Colleges use "assigners" that they contract to fill referees for their homegames. These assigners use their "rolodex" to fill all the games. Usually refs just wirk regions not conferences, ie the midwest. May work a big ten in evanstan one night and a BE in milwaukee the next. Etc. That said the bigger games usually get the "better" refs and the bigger conferences pay more. I have 3 friends that are D1 officials
I believe one of the refs was Jeff Anderson (shorter, African-American). Not sure how the conference affiliation (I'm almost certain these exist) works but he has reffed a ton of Big East games over the past few years. Anyways....he's always loved blowing the whistle - not sure if he called the techs.
Quote from: MU_CHI on December 03, 2018, 10:59:34 AM
I believe one of the refs was Jeff Anderson (shorter, African-American). Not sure how the conference affiliation (I'm almost certain these exist) works but he has reffed a ton of Big East games over the past few years. Anyways....he's always loved blowing the whistle - not sure if he called the techs.
Guys.
Conference affiliation doesn't exist for basketball refs. It does for football refs, but as Sand-Knit says, basketball refs are all independent contractors. The conferences may work with certain refs more than others, but they aren't legally affiliated with the conference in any manner.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/college-basketball-refs-hustle-pay-212006385--ncaab.html
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 03, 2018, 09:43:03 AM
Crews aren't conference specific for basketball. (Unlike football.)
I'm not sure if the BE conference takes responsibility for booking referees for non-conference games or if it is the responsibility of the home team.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 03, 2018, 10:33:38 AM
Refs dont work for a conference they are independent contracters. Colleges use "assigners" that they contract to fill referees for their homegames. These assigners use their "rolodex" to fill all the games. Usually refs just wirk regions not conferences, ie the midwest. May work a big ten in evanstan one night and a BE in milwaukee the next. Etc. That said the bigger games usually get the "better" refs and the bigger conferences pay more. I have 3 friends that are D1 officials
Thanks and thanks.
Quote from: MU62 on December 03, 2018, 10:26:38 AM
Possibly this has been addressed but are those Big East refs we had for the game? It was absolutely terrible.
I feel like this has been asked recently
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 03, 2018, 11:06:58 AM
Guys.
Conference affiliation doesn't exist for basketball refs. It does for football refs, but as Sand-Knit says, basketball refs are all independent contractors. The conferences may work with certain refs more than others, but they aren't legally affiliated with the conference in any manner.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/college-basketball-refs-hustle-pay-212006385--ncaab.html
Except Jim Burr...he lived to ruin BEast and more specifically MU games. Thank goodness he retired
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 01, 2018, 04:34:24 PM
Disagree. I looked around a lot .. The lower bowl had a surprisingly high number of empties, scattered around. It was mostly full, but several hundred empty, not even counting the 8-15 rows of empty student section.
Apparently there were many yellow vests in Paris for the weekend
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/03/europe/paris-yellow-vest-protests-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/03/europe/paris-yellow-vest-protests-intl/index.html)
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
I think this is pretty spot-on. Was it the same ref that called both? If it wasn't, I could see the explanation given to Sam being something along the lines of "I didn't think it was a technical, but we have to be consistent, and your reaction was identical to the KSt players reaction so...".
Same ref. I will say that the KSU player was more "dramatic" about his reaction in terms of running toward the bench after the initial foul call then Sam, but neither deserved a T and in Sam's case he should have gotten a foul called for him not against him. Really should have been no call period, but of the 3 outcomes, Sam picking up a foul for that play was a far distant 3rd