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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on November 14, 2018, 07:15:53 PM
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Let's rip 'em a new Hoosier.
I'm going out on a limb...we find Sacar as the next SOTG tomorrow.
Time to make a statement. We cover and then some.
GO WARRIORS!!!!!!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=chat
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First time to assembly hall. Nice place. Renovation had to have helped.
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Hoosier Daddy?
This guy:
(https://images.sidearmsports.com/gomarquette.com/images/2016/11/9/9546375.jpeg)
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Marcus being Marcus as far as a turnover machine right now
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Bailey getting murdered on D; Markus turning the ball over.
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dumb turnovers, dumb fouls
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As I 100% said. JoeC should be starting. Howard is going to be a TO machine this game. They are going to constantly trap him.
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I’ve said it before. MH is not a PG.
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Bad Markus.
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And Indiana has 3 sitting out? Figure it out, please
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Bad Markus.
Bad coaching. He’s playing out of position.
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I hope they don't start pressing
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Three turnovers and two fouls in two minutes.
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Brutal start
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There way to quick for us
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Dribbling...optional for Indiana
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Langford got away with traveling before he was fouled there
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I wonder what's on the DVR
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Wait. Wtf. Am I missing something? Dude misses dunk and they give them 5 points?
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Defense is easy against cupcakes.
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Glad we almost showed up today.
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Lmao what a joke
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They're fouling left and right against us and no calls!!!!
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Paper looks better then reality right now. Let’s go warriors
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Well, down by 15 6 minutes in to the game is not good.
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Traveling so not watching this live my only comment is aargh
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This should be a fun thread today, should bring all the usuals out of the woodwork
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Lol. Few missed fouls already
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Dribbling...optional for Indiana
Dribbling into traps and turning it over...mandatory for MU.
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At least 3 uncalled could against
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I am going to bed. The game is over! Nova repeat.
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Hmmmmm. Predicted a double digit loss because IU was too quick and Assembly Hall is a tough venue to play in. :(
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Wow glad I woke up in the middle of the night to watch this crap.
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Hmmmmm. Predicted a double digit loss because IU was too quick and Assembly Hall is a tough venue to play in. :(
It's 5 minutes into the game. Stop going "I told you so" already. No one likes that guy.
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This should be a fun thread today, should bring all the usuals out of the woodwork
they’re already out
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Bad coaching. He’s playing out of position.
No choice.
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Love the posters coming out right now. So perfect. Can't wait for Ners
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Poor offense + poor defense rarely turns out well. Gotta turn this around fast, or this could get brutal
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Sacar was hammered on both his drives.
MU needs to wakeup, not sure they are aware the game already started.
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Sad
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Who on our squad can create their own shot?
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I hope joey gets a lot of minutes
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The ref under the basket couldn't see the hold on Sam?
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Still like our chances. Shock value is gone now
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Did we win that four minute stretch?
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Joey passing up multiple semi-open 3s then settling for a contested fadeaway long 2. Can’t be hesitant
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Love the posters coming out right now. So perfect. Can't wait for Ners
You really need to get another hobby/obsession here dude..
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Did we win the 2nd 4 minutes?
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You really need to get another hobby/obsession here dude..
I see you're a very self-aware gentleman
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Did we win that four minute stretch?
I like how you (and I) think
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You really need to get another hobby/obsession here dude..
Are you Ners??????
😁
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Didn't ed tell them about the Bigteneleven
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We got this
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Great to see the board in mid-season form already. All is right with scoop.
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OK. Sam is good. Joey is a freshman. Make me look bad, boys.
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Can’t wait to win. That overrated chant will taste sweet
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Sam putting the team on his back right now!! Markus use your left hand
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Can’t wait to win. That overrated chant will taste sweet
I just heard it...by the Indiana fans
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Great to see the board in mid-season form already. All is right with scoop.
This
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Free throws may not matter, but is that 4 straight misses?
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Free throws may not matter, but is that 4 straight misses?
Was thinking the same.
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That’s 0 for 4 on free throws.
And Theo with #2. Not good.
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Love Cain but the guy has to learn free throws
Can stroke 3s the same % as free throws smh
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Morrow is...not great thus far
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Free throws don't not matter.
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I would prefer to make the free throws please.
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Based on the first 2 games, this first half doesn't come as much of a surprise. Hopefully they can stop the bleeding by halftime and make a few runs in the second half. If they get into halftime within 5-7, this could still come out our way.
I can't watch, but based just on the box score and comments here, it sure seems like we need to get something out of Joe C tonight. Hoping he gets going here soon.
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turnovers and free throws
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Are you Ners??????
😁
Common knowledge here Chili...
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Heldt the human foul machine. Took two seconds. Then he steps out of bounds.
Let’s go Matt....need you now.
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We got this
Seconded.
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0-5 from the FT line. Meanwhile, the team that doesn't have good 3 point shooters is hitting them at a 42% clip.
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Deer in the headlights
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Free throws aren't funny anymore
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So, what’s everybody drinking?
Gumball Head here.
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THE TERROR
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JC didn't have a turnover. Progress
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FT's no matta
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Free Heldt
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I guess Howard does have the “green light”. Wtf kind of a shot was that
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This is fun
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Ok, now I think we can say the game is over.
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I want to say how lucky they are but freaking Langford is just plain good.
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Ugly
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Howard doesn’t even look like a D1 player
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Yikes, so much for the defensive improvement, huh? On pace to give up about a hundo? No bueno
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Langford is unbelievable.
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Howard doesn’t even look like a D1 player
Agree
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Is that the sound of the air being let out of the balloon?
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I'd hate to see what Indiana would to do them with a full roster
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howard looks slow
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At this point I would be happy for 3 of our players to combine for 71 points
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We're doing better than Nova did.
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This game is a bad joke, they should be ranked, not us
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We're doing better than Nova did.
Oh?
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Year five.
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Everyone thought Howard turned the corner. And maybe he has. But come on, we all knew he was still a turnover machine. Tonight is very rough.
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Setting aside our defense for a minute, I don't particularly like our offensive scheme. We do that weave around the 3pt line a lot, but it doesn't seam like we're really working on getting anyone quality looks.
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Free Heldt
Just like last year, Heldt and Theo in foul trouble, every game.
Everyone on team except Sam stinking it up.
Sam has 14 of MU’s 24 points.
Romeo maybe a lottery pick.
Only good thing, IU getting in foul trouble, bunch of them have two apiece and remember they are down like three players. Maybe they get serious problems.
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Howard doesn’t even look like a D1 player
Archie Miller had a great strategy going into the game..wall off Markus and throw multiple defenders at him. Pressure D has always affected Markus negatively.
Somewhere JayBee is drowning away his sorrows. FTsNoMATTA and M2N failing miserably this evening.
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Keep feeding Joey.
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Looking like a 3-3 team after next Friday...and this is supposed to be Wojo's best team?? Someone's gotta answer for this..
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JC and Howard not the answer. Elliot and Koby are desperately needed
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How disappointing. IU without 3 guys, this was supposed to be our year, but we look awful. Honestly how much longer is this rebuild going to take. Becoming a Marquette fan has become increasingly painful
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Class national TV game am I right?
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Ok Markus you saw one go in, now bring it
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To be fair we got blown out by Florida the elite 8 year
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Looks like a team overwhelmed playing their first true away game in a tough environment. Have to settle down and make shots like Howard just did. Refs also not giving Markus and others calls. Joey starting to show his stuff is good! 👍🏻
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We got this
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Keep. Feeding. Joey.
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JC and Howard not the answer. Elliot and Koby are desperately needed
Wasn’t Koby a bad defender at his old school?
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Just wait until January when Froling becomes eligible.
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FEED JOEY
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Just wait until January when Froling becomes eligible.
That one actually made me laugh
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woe howard is just plain awful
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I never understood why Marcus always got so many accolades. Wtf is he doing
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Langford clearly traveled there, obvious carry when he missed the ball.
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Markus has been getting tunnel vision these past few possessions
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Markus shooting us out of the game right now
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Markus killed all the momentum with awful shots.
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Two fugging TERRIBLE Howard shots leads to 5 points by Indiana. Stop with the HERO ball.
Maybe he’ll find his stroke in the second half. But WTF.
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How come they have freshman making tough contested shots at the rim and we have upperclassmen missing them and throwing up bricks?
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The guy guarding Howard is eating him alive. Kid is fast and knows how to keep his man in front of him. We have to run plays to get Howard open and not rely on him to make his own shots.
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That missed layup to end the half was brutal
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Two great looks at the end of the half that didn’t go, need those
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This game makes me wanna pull my hair out
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This team is playing OK in a tough environment. Every time they get within shouting distance Howard decides he wants to be a hero. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Same as last year, minus Rowsey to pick him up.
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Shot horribly, only down 13, and Indiana has somewhat serious foul issues. It could actually be much worse. Of course it might become much worse, but it isn't yet
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need to stop the hero ball. Those last 3 shots by howard were just plain awful
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Howard playing playground ball
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How disappointing. IU without 3 guys, this was supposed to be our year, but we look awful. Honestly how much longer is this rebuild going to take. Becoming a Marquette fan has become increasingly painful
You are painful.
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Hey, Howard, you wanna knock it off with the hero ball? Thanks.
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Down to 8, then Markus with two terrible shots.
8 to 13 point lead.
Miss layup by Sam at buzzer, two points.
Miss frontend one/one Markus two points.
That’s four easy points.
Get them in foul trouble and stop that Fishner guy...
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we still cannot defend either. missing Rowsey-would give us a better shot at outscoring them
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We played an awful half, but 13 points is far from impossible.
We got this.
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To be honest we're in better shape than we should be given how bad we played. Wish Hauser's 3 or layup had gone in there, but this should be a lot worse.
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Don’t worry guys - Wojo just needs a nice tall grad transfer PG and some more experienced players. Breakthrough coming any year now.
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Mucho disappointing. Running the whole offense (despite a height advantage) out past the top of the key, throwing up prayers, and giving up layup after layup. What's the points in paint differential? Those free throws that don't matta could have helped so far.
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Worst half from Markus likely ever.
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We’re actually fortunate to only be down 13.
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You are painful.
Not sure what I said was so painful to you? Pretty much a fact that many thought this would be our year to really step up. Sorry that the first half didn't disappoint you any.
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First time Markus has looked out of whack in terms of both shooting and turnovers. He seemed out of it in the first half. 13 PT deficit can definitely be turned around in the last 20 mins!
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Woof. That was a rough half. Feels like we should be down more than 13. Some ugly shots and turnovers from Howard. Let's see if they can settle down in the second half.
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Can always count on a gaggle of idiots in the game thread.
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Markus just chucking them up tonight, sheesh. Thank god for Sam and Joey. 47 halftime pts, ouch. Where's this new defense of ours?? 13 pts...doable. Big ten looking superior tonight eh?
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Looking forward to the Presbyterian game!!!
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Not sure what I said was so painful to you? Pretty much a fact that many thought this would be our year to really step up. Sorry that the first half didn't disappoint you any.
Determining the rest of our season based on a half means you're a troll, idiot, or both. Which is it?
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Don’t worry guys - Wojo just needs a nice tall grad transfer PG and some more experienced players. Breakthrough coming any year now.
+1 there’s always next year ;)
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We’re actually fortunate to only be down 13.
Chartouney needs to play. Howard can't be our point all year!
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Can always count on a gaggle of idiots in the game thread.
Didn't know everyone has to be cheerleaders. Nothing went right in the first half, yet only down 13. However, stating that disappoints me. Even though we are on the road, we are an experienced team that is deep playing a young, short-handed team.
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Didn't know everyone has to be cheerleaders. Nothing went right in the first half, yet only down 13. However, stating that disappoints me. Even though we are on the road, we are an experienced team that is deep playing a young, short-handed team.
Hello Mayfair
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Why are you still watching? You said it was over.
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Determining the rest of our season based on a half means you're a troll, idiot, or both. Which is it?
I have no faith in Wojo, maybe that makes me an idiot
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Didn't know everyone has to be cheerleaders. Nothing went right in the first half, yet only down 13. However, stating that disappoints me. Even though we are on the road, we are an experienced team that is deep playing a young, short-handed team.
It was the first half in the third game of the season against the first real opponent. Let's have some perspective here. One of the best coaches in the nation was down 44-17 at half at home tonight.
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Didn't know everyone has to be cheerleaders. Nothing went right in the first half, yet only down 13. However, stating that disappoints me. Even though we are on the road, we are an experienced team that is deep playing a young, short-handed team.
You're just being an idiot. Has nothing to do with not being a cheerleader.
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Assembly Hall is really tough to play in. No excuses, but IU has done extremely well last 10 years vs ranked teams. Amongst the best in the nation. Tough place.
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I think we make a comeback.
MU by 4.
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You're just being an idiot. Has nothing to do with not being a cheerleader.
ok sounds good
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We should have a separate thread for people who want to bitch at other posters.
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Here’s a positive, Joey Hauser looks like a feisty sumbitch! I like that!
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Let’s see if Wojo can make some in game adjustments. I am not in the camp of wojo on the hot seat like some apocalypse now people are but hoping he can make some type of adjustments here
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I think we make a comeback.
MU by 4.
+1, last time I checked cbball games are 40 min, not 20. Go check the in game thread last year at Creighton .
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We stunk, but IU (especially missing all those guys) isn't all that. Game's not over.
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ok sounds good
I'd love a logical explanation on why a poorly played half against a team that is about our equal in one of the toughest road environments in the country will be predictive of the rest of our season.
Please, have at it.
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At the risk of opening this to Tony Smith insults, one positive is that while syncing 94.5FM with the FS1 feed, it's harder to hear the crowd go crazy when Indiana goes on a run
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It's that Fitzner kid that's killing us really. He's got three fouls Romeo with 2. Attack the hell out of them
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There's no way Bailey should be on that for
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Let’s see if Wojo can make some in game adjustments. I am not in the camp of wojo on the hot seat like some apocalypse now people are but hoping he can make some type of adjustments here
There’s your answer.
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Yikes. I thought everyone said the defense was improved this year?
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Turnovers and defense is just destroying them now. Way too many wide open threes for IU.
MU scheme to double team, leading to these shots has been a pattern for awhile now, just not working.
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Speed kills.
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To rveryone saying there’s too much overreaction. I think most of us are just tired and have seen this movie before... a number of times. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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Blow out wheres ed and our deep bench??
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Say what you want, but this is not a well coached team. The defense is atrocious. There is way too much length and athleticism on this team to watch this mess.
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Bucks overcoming poor play to move ahead of Memphis. Good coaching makes such a difference.
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Coach em up, Woj!
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The guys have the defensive anticipation skills of...me.
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We are playing hesitant and afraid of losing.
They are attacking and looking to win.
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With a combined 9 years of college experience, I had thought joe and Ed would have been a little bit better.
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yea, I have watched this too many times before. Wojo can recruit good players, at least on paper. However, he cannot coach and he cannot build a team
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This is just embarrassing at this point.
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We're doing better than Nova did.
Are we? Underwhelming to say the least.
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Morgan just had 3 tries. Got an and-1. Then they get the rebound on the missed FT.
About that D.......
Then another and-1.
Do I guess my question is, is IUBB better than duke? Cause we cancel the final 4 thoughts (and I am a huge WOJO fan)
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Didn't know everyone has to be cheerleaders. Nothing went right in the first half, yet only down 13. However, stating that disappoints me. Even though we are on the road, we are an experienced team that is deep playing a young, short-handed team.
Compliments only! Honest points of view when we play poorly will not be tolerated!
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With a combined 9 years of college experience, I had thought joe and Ed would have been a little bit better.
yea, not what I expected at all. The grad transfer for Indiana looks pretty good
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So much quicker than us. Joey is not quick, maybe the injury to the foot. Morrow, same. Our legs don't move.
But we regroup, come out better for it. Sometimes you learn more from losing than winning.
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Hey, Doc Emrick is announcing a hockey game on NBCSN
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Miller huddle: “They’re doing a lot of rub screens so you need to fight thru that. Get to the 3 point line close out hard and cut through the lane on offense. Make sure we’re crisp in our sets and get rid of the ball when there’s a double team!!”
Wojo huddle: “WE’RE IN THE BONUS!!! We’Re iN tHe BoNuS! GO DOWNHILL CUZ THE BONUSSS!!”
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Cant even imagine Kansas game!!!
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How do you lose a defensive rebound like that on a FT? The person that wants the ball more gets the ball. Pretty basic coaching! Smh
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No energy, no defense. Watching Sam guard Langford on switches is painful. Indiana just has better players...
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Are we? Underwhelming to say the least.
only good news on the night is it looks like the Big East kinda stinks this year
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Its tough because it feels like the same old stuff.
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Disappointing performance by a team that is Wojo’s best. Not over yet but we are looking pretty stinky in all aspects of the game.
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Miller huddle: “They’re doing a lot of rub screens so you need to fight thru that. Get to the 3 point line close out hard and cut through the lane on offense. Make sure we’re crisp in our sets and get rid of the ball when there’s a double team!!”
Wojo huddle: “WE’RE IN THE BONUS!!! We’Re iN tHe BoNuS! GO DOWNHILL CUZ THE BONUSSS!!”
In game huddle discussion again? This tells me all I need to know about you.
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Well, one thing is for certain ... the Big East sucks this season.
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Ed looks like a freshman out there
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Wow, the 1st half was the good half
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Cant even imagine Kansas game!!!
Was thinking the same thing. Going to be a gong show.
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Wow, the 1st half was the good half
Haha. Ok this made me chuckle.
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Where will MU be ranked next week?
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yea, I have watched this too many times before. Wojo can recruit good players, at least on paper. However, he cannot coach and he cannot build a team
You keep saying the same thing. Nobody wants to read your assessment of an entire season and program repeatedly in a game thread.
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Where will MU be ranked next week?
#1 in my heart.
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Can already hear the Wojo post game presser "We aren't as good now, as we will be by the end of the season, we just got beat tonight blah blah blah" Way to be tough Wojo.
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In game huddle discussion again? This tells me all I need to know about you.
What do you mean? Lol. It’s a tangible representation of coaching style, acumen, etc. What else do you have to go off of? Those stellar results on the court? Oh wait...
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THE TERROR
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Disappointing performance by a team that is Wojo’s best. Not over yet but we are looking pretty stinky in all aspects of the game.
. Agreed! If this is Wojo's best, we have a long way to go! I have been supportive of Wojo, but let's see where this team is at by season's end.
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Zone! Might it change the mojo?
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poor bastards who took Marquette +8.
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So much quicker than us. Joey is not quick, maybe the injury to the foot. Morrow, same. Our legs don't move.
But we regroup, come out better for it. Sometimes you learn more from losing than winning.
Knew someone would start with the injury excuse, just matter of time.
Joeys foot
Sams hip
Morrows hernia
Cain’s thumb
Elliott’s thumb
Heldt toe
Yeah, that’s it.
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Not that it matters but horse$hit call on Sam. Napoleon ref takes control!
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#1 in my heart.
Yes!
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Sacar has been completely invisible this year so far.
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Wojo's best team ever down by 23 on the road as a ranked team against an unranked team is not good. Shows how far they have to go!
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The reffing is right on par with Marquette game tonight
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Downright embarrassing. And I’ve been really trying to defend Wojo all these years saying 2018/19 is the year. Smh
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Time to sit Howard.
Archie x10 >>wojo
Good news is the rest of the big east looks just as bad as us.
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poor bastards who took Marquette +8.
Can you imagine how those of us risking the money line feel? Face meet palm.
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Respect the process guys. Let's wait until it's a team of all Wojo guys before judging. He doesn't go for the quick fixes like Buzz- he never goes after transfers, grad transfers, or one and dones. He's in it for the long haul. Patience.
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Announcer "wojo in year 5, still with some work to do". Yea, he nailed that one on the head
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I don’t recognize half the names on this thread. Are you all new?
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Downright embarrassing. And I’ve been really trying to defend Wojo all these years saying 2018/19 is the year. Smh
No offense to you, because it was LOTS of people saying "you gotta give Wojo time". Some of us saw he wasn't going to get it done years ago already. If this is his best team...
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I don’t recognize half the names on this thread. Are you all new?
A lot of them are reincarnations of the same negative people each year.
It was apparently time to update the ignore list.
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What do you mean? Lol. It’s a tangible representation of coaching style, acumen, etc. What else do you have to go off of? Those stellar results on the court? Oh wait...
Let's use logic for a minute shall we? They show what? 15 seconds of a 2+ minute timeout, any judgement off that would be similar to judgment for the entire season after 3 games. Also, if a coach were to draw up a specific play, do you think they would be allowed to show it on TV? Wojo has already addressed this, please try to not read too much into it in the future.
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I don’t recognize half the names on this thread. Are you all new?
I think there's a check box ok the yearly list for "bunch of angry, unknown, boo-birds come out of the woodwork after a non-con loss"
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It was apparently time to update the ignore list.
I do get a feeling of having extra time in my life when I open an MUSCOOP thread and there are 6-7 posts in a row that say "You are ignoring this user"
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No offense to you, because it was LOTS of people saying "you gotta give Wojo time". Some of us saw he wasn't going to get it done years ago already. If this is his best team...
You're a sad little man. Anyone else dump you recently because of MU hoops?
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I wish I had the time in my life to make thousands and thousands of posts on a college basketball message board. Sadly, I don't.
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Not that it matters but horse$hit call on Sam. Napoleon ref takes control!
Eng, injuries excuse number 1, refs are number 2.
Reality is defense, turnovers and nothing, absolutely nothing for three games now from Joe C., Morrow and Bailey. Let’s hope it changes.
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Obviously the guys were looking ahead to Saturday.
Classic trap game.
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What a game no steals no adjustments at halftime no nothing
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Nothing from Anim tonight
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I thought Joey has looked good. Needs to start and play 25-30 minutes.
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By saying "not that it matters" I was saying "I don't find this to be the reason that Marquette is being embarrassed, but I'll point it out about this specific play any way..."
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You're a sad little man. Anyone else dump you recently because of MU hoops?
Glad you're proud of the job Wojo has done in 5 years...you probably want everyone to give him another 5, right?? His "best" team in 5 years should not be getting their doors blown off by a young team, and repeating the same mistakes they have made for four years. Isn't that on Coaching??
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Can we get a running clock?
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Nothing from Anim tonight so far this year
FIFY
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I know people will call me a troll, but I’ll say it anyway.
I really miss how buzz’s team were always competitive. Wojo needs to re-examine. Morrow was suppose to be a junk yard dog. Instead he’s nothing but a bench warmer.
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Glad you're proud of the job Wojo has done in 5 years...you probably want everyone to give him another 5, right?? His "best" team in 5 years should not be getting their doors blown off by a young team, and repeating the same mistakes they have made for four years. Isn't that on Coaching??
I said none of that. I'm not going to freak out because we got blown out by a solid team on the road in the 3rd game of the season.
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Let's use logic for a minute shall we? They show what? 15 seconds of a 2+ minute timeout, any judgement off that would be similar to judgment for the entire season after 3 games. Also, if a coach were to draw up a specific play, do you think they would be allowed to show it on TV? Wojo has already addressed this, please try to not read too much into it in the future.
You’re right! We should give Wojo a contract extension! He’s a genius!!!
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IU - three passes = an open shot.
MU - dribble, dribble, dribble = hero shot.
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I know people will call me a troll, but I’ll say it anyway.
I really miss how buzz’s team were always competitive. Wojo needs to re-examine. Morrow was suppose to be a junk yard dog. Instead he’s nothing but a bench warmer.
People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
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“If the pitch forks want to come out.”
“I’m workin my butt off trying to coach all this youth on our team”
“I’m not making an excuse but we’re the youngest team in the oldest conference”
I don’t think he can use these excuses in the post game presser tonight. Stay tuned.
Over or under that IU drops 100 on us
On a positive, I think joey is going to be really good.
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Now they know how to defend, we run the same stuff every time down the court
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Why's everyone worried about Kansas? It's not like we've ever been humiliated by Kan...wait, I have to throw up
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I know it's one game but, 5th year wojo team and this is the showing. Another like this should be an early firing....to much talent to waste the entire year.
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People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
I mean, they had some really bad performances when Buzz was coach.
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Notre Dame lost at home tonight to Radford...so there's that and we have that going for us anyway.
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Markus cant be our point guard
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People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
Could not agree more. Wojo seat better be in fire by end of year
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It is one game, guys. Let's see how next week goes
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I know it's one game but, 5th year wojo team and this is the showing. Another like this should be an early firing....to much talent to waste the entire year.
Wow.
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People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
Not true. Buzz’s teams also got blown out from time to time.
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Query: Why was Bailey starting?
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Bad free throw shooting tonight
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I mean, they had some really bad performances when Buzz was coach.
Not as many as Wojo has strung together. Looking like it will be another 1,807 days before we’re ranked again
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People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
selective memory, Ohio State, Florida, UNC, Louisvile, Vanderbilt off the top of my head we were completely blown out the gym
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You’re right! We should give Wojo a contract extension! He’s a genius!!!
If you take not judging three games into the season as encouragement for a contract extension, that's all I need to know about you.
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Comparing buzz to Wojo isn’t fair. Even if buzz’s teams got blown out, at least they accomplished post season success
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Not true. Buzz’s teams also got blown out from time to time.
True but I never remember a time when I felt a Buzz coached team lacked basic fundamentals and was not well coached. I feel that way tonight and i have felt that way a lot over the past few years.
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Bring back Crean! Bring back Deane!
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Time for Markus to stat pad
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It is one game, guys. Let's see how next week goes
“It’s one season guys let’s see how next year goes”
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True but I never remember a time when I felt a Buzz coached team lacked basic fundamentals and was not well coached. I feel that way tonight and i have felt that way a lot over the past few years.
I can agree with much of this statement.
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Bring back Crean! Bring back Deane!
I was talking about Deane with a coworker as we walked out of the office tonight. Of course, it was about the "rumors" he frequented bars with students rather that his coaching prowess
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Not true. Buzz’s teams also got blown out from time to time.
Yes, from time to time they did, it happens. But..the biggest thing is, even when they did, they would fight and would go on runs at some point to at least make games somewhat interesting...there have been too many of these under Wojo in year 5 now..Losing is one thing, but to get your doors blown off by a middle of the pack Big ten 10 is utterly embarrassing(no, it's ZERO consolation Nova got blown out too). Given the expectations etc, this is one of the WORST showings in 5 years under Wojo...year 5, his best team(supposedly), and this is the showing they give?? SOMETHING is very wrong.
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If you take not judging three games into the season as encouragement for a contract extension, that's all I need to know about you.
I’m not judging three games into a season. I’m judging four years and three games into a career. Take your L man you’re just wrong.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbjD7Yf0f00&t=313s
I think the gold starts around 4 mins
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People blast Buzz, but his teams ALWAYS competed, they were tough, and most of the time when they got down, they would always at least get back into it...miss Buzz so much.
Always would mean always, and that isn't true. There were some bad games with Coach Williams. Some high profile games.
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Was able to watch Securities me half. My only comment is aargh...
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Kansas line might be +40
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I’m not judging three games into a season. I’m judging four years and three games into a career. Take your L man you’re just wrong.
Previous seasons have nothing to do with tonight, in case you didn't notice Henry ain't out there.
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And another thread hijacked with the Wojo/Buzz comparison. Never ends.
Now back, IU has scored 5 of 6 last baskets on layups. Make that 6 of 7. Not unusual, but brutal.
IU shooting 64% and 45% from three.
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I just don’t remember one time in the last 5 years thinking that we are a well coached team. I don’t think you have to be a good team to be well coached. We seem to have all the talent to be a top 25 team this year, and yet I don’t recall one easy basket tonight set up by our offense. Lots of one on one tonight and difficult shots.
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Crappy games happen. Move on. A game like this goes a long way for the coaching staff to determine who gets minutes and who spends more time on the pine.
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I just don’t remember one time in the last 5 years thinking that we are a well coached team. I don’t think you have to be a good team to be well coached. We seem to have all the talent to be a top 25 team this year, and yet I don’t recall one easy basket tonight set up by our offense. Lots of one on one tonight and difficult shots.
Speed matters.
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selective memory, Ohio State, Florida, UNC, Louisvile, Vanderbilt off the top of my head we were completely blown out the gym
Over the course of his tenure...Wojo's teams have that many in a season. Look, when this is supposed to be your best team in 5 years and you get your doors blown off to a young team, and show very little intestinal fortitude, don't you think there's something wrong?? They are staring at 3-3 by the end of next week...should that be acceptable in Wojo's 5th year, with his best team?? Yes, it's early..but this game has shown the same mistakes they made all year last year...that should NEVER happen 5 years into it.
The thing is with those blow outs under buzz, the teams they got blown out by were generally better, AND Buzz's teams would always rebound after a blow out and play a pretty damn good game next time out. So i guess, if they keep it within 12-14 of Kansas, we'll be proud of their effort?? Great.
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It's only 3 games,but I haven't seen anything from Bailey,Joseph, and Morrow
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Frickin embarrassing! If this team does not make the tourney, which I believe it will, Wojo needs to go.
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What was that, they never seem ready to play hard from the get-go, I blame that on Wojo
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Previous seasons have nothing to do with tonight,
Can't agree with you on this statement.
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Previous seasons have nothing to do with tonight, in case you didn't notice Henry ain't out there.
Yes, yes! Now you’ve nailed it! Henry being one and done is the reason Wojo’s teams have massively underachieved for 5 years!
I wonder if you’re hearing yourself. Tonight’s game has EVERYTHING to do with previous seasons. Familiar bugaboos that just won’t go away! Embarrassment in the most important moment! Underachieving against a team we should be beating or at least competing against! It’s all the same! Same same same same same!
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The clock must be counting up when I'm not looking
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They peed down their leg and played terrified shortly after the opening tip. That's on the coach.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbjD7Yf0f00&t=313s
I think the gold starts around 4 mins
Yep. This was disconcerting.
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It’s fair to be disappointed in this game when it seems to be a recurring theme, the MU apologists (at times I am one) will say we are in game 3 of the season, but come on... the eye test is awful, you can’t put lipstick on this game, Whoah, yikes. Still a lot of season to turn the boat around, but yikes, this was bad! Yes I said yikes again, so much hope to see a team fight tonight, only to be disappointed win or lose, this was something different, it was a deflating loss, I would have been happy with a valiant effort. Still a lot of the season left, Go Marquette.
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Yes, from time to time they did, it happens. But..the biggest thing is, even when they did, they would fight and would go on runs at some point to at least make games somewhat interesting...there have been too many of these under Wojo in year 5 now..Losing is one thing, but to get your doors blown off by a middle of the pack Big ten 10 is utterly embarrassing(no, it's ZERO consolation Nova got blown out too). Given the expectations etc, this is one of the WORST showings in 5 years under Wojo...year 5, his best team(supposedly), and this is the showing they give?? SOMETHING is very wrong.
Your memory must be better than mine, but I remember it differently. When North Carolina was up by 31 points in the second half, I suppose that is when we went on a run and started competing?
https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/playbyplay/NCAAB_20110325_MARQET@NC
You seem angry. We lost an early season game against a team that is better than us on the road. Now let's see what the team is made of and how they respond.
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Over the course of his tenure...Wojo's teams have that many in a season. Loom, when this is supposed to be your best team in 5 years and you get your doors blown off to a young team, and show very little intestinal fortitude, don't you think there's something wrong?? They are staring at 3-3 by the end of next week...should that be acceptable in Wojo's 5th year, with his best team?? Yes, it's early..but this game has shown the same mistakes they made all year last year...that should NEVER happen 5 years into it.
I'm extremely disappointed and unlike you I'm up till 4am to watch this crap so I have a legit reason to be upset.
I am saying your assertion that Buzz's team never got blown out is wrong. Even his best team (11-12) got smacked hard at home to Vanderbilt and in year 5 got smacked by a pretty average Florida team.
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It's only 3 games,but I haven't seen anything from Bailey,Joseph, and Morrow
1 point, 5 boards, 2 assists
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Yes, yes! Now you’ve nailed it! Henry being one and done is the reason Wojo’s teams have massively underachieved for 5 years!
I wonder if you’re hearing yourself. Tonight’s game has EVERYTHING to do with previous seasons. Familiar bugaboos that just won’t go away! Embarrassment in the most important moment! Underachieving against a team we should be beating or at least competing against! It’s all the same! Same same same same same!
If you think the most important moment of a season is in November, that's all I need to know about you.
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Beautiful! The scrubs come in for IU and MU is down by 25. Pretty sad for a ranked team. Smh
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What's sad is this same Indiana team will look TERRIBLE against a mediocre at best UW team this year...you watch.
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side question: i know this will be Q1 loss, but does the margin of victory trump that? I suspect same will happen against Kansas, probably much worse. Point is, did we over-schedule?
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Yes, yes! Now you’ve nailed it! Henry being one and done is the reason Wojo’s teams have massively underachieved for 5 years!
I wonder if you’re hearing yourself. Tonight’s game has EVERYTHING to do with previous seasons. Familiar bugaboos that just won’t go away! Embarrassment in the most important moment! Underachieving against a team we should be beating or at least competing against! It’s all the same! Same same same same same!
Don’t you have some ants to burn with a magnifying glass or puppies to kick or something?
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We have some good basketball players (Markus, the Hausers) and some really good shooters (Sam, Markus) but we're way too slow and not nearly athletic enough. And 5 years in we're still not tough enough.
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Nice, kept them under 100
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Ha! Take that freaking Hoosiers! NO 100 TODAY!!
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We have some good basketball players (Markus, the Hausers) and some really good shooters (Sam, Markus) but we're way too slow and not nearly athletic enough. And 5 years in we're still not tough enough.
Not sure we can say Markus is a good shooter after UMBC and tonight
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If you think the most important moment of a season is in November, that's all I need to know about you.
If this were the first season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might be right. If this were the second season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might have an argument. If this were the fifth season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might be completely insane.
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We have some good basketball players (Markus, the Hausers) and some really good shooters (Sam, Markus) but we're way too slow and not nearly athletic enough. And 5 years in we're still not tough enough.
Good analysis. Quickness / athleticism lacking, toughness, too. Toughness can be taught, not the other part.
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Nice, kept them under 100
This made me laugh.
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Your memory must be better than mine, but I remember it differently. When North Carolina was up by 31 points in the second half, I suppose that is when we went on a run and started competing?
https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/playbyplay/NCAAB_20110325_MARQET@NC
You seem angry. We lost an early season game against a team that is better than us on the road. Now let's see what the team is made of and how they respond.
Carolina was also one of the best teams in the country...that's a LOT different then getting your doors blown off by a decent IU team..that you should be better then. This is the same IU team that I guarantee you will look terrible against a mediocre at best UW team this year.
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I'm extremely disappointed and unlike you I'm up till 4am to watch this crap so I have a legit reason to be upset.
I am saying your assertion that Buzz's team never got blown out is wrong. Even his best team (11-12) got smacked hard at home to Vanderbilt and in year 5 got smacked by a pretty average Florida team.
Why the F are we even comparing Wojo to Buzz. There’s no comparison. It doesn’t matter if Buzz had a few teams blown out. He won at the best level at MU since Al. You can tolerate a Buzz team getting blown out, because he’d coached us to many great wins and great seasons. Skins on the wall matter.
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Bad free throw shooting tonight
You mean playing
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If this were the first season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might be right. If this were the second season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might have an argument. If this were the fifth season Wojo skeptics were saying this, you might be completely insane.
Can't wait for November Madness. How bout you???
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I swear, I thought I read on multiple occasions last year about how Morrow was the best player on the team in practice.
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What's sad is this same Indiana team will look TERRIBLE against a mediocre at best UW team this year...you watch.
You sure Wisconsin is mediocre? Isn't the flip side of the argument also true? We will beat some teams that will beat some top level teams (like St. John's beating Duke last year). It happens, part of sports and college basketball. Take a breath.
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5-23 from 3. Many of the misses were wide open looks. If you are a 3 point shooting team and you do the, you are going to be blown out of the water by any half decent team.
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Not sure we can say Markus is a good shooter after UMBC and tonight
Yaeh, I guess 45% from 3 over two years can’t make you overlook 2 games. Go away.
For those new posters out tonight like it’s your first night trick or treating, where are you other days? You’re only here to bitch?
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A well coached team can typically overcome physical difficiencies. Scheme, execution and attention to detail can keep a team competitive. I don’t think MU is way off physically. Scheme-wise it’s just hope Markus gets hot and stays hot. Lazy passes, low effort, out worked are all squarely on Coach. It maybe early but this is concerning.
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Can't wait for November Madness. How bout you???
Well you must mean NIT Tip-off - which we’ll surely get stomped in! Or maybe you mean March Madness and are being facetious? If that’s the case, it’s a little more sad than funny because you and I both know we won’t be there....
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Carolina was also one of the best teams in the country...that's a LOT different then getting your doors blown off by a decent IU team..that you should be better then. This is the same IU team that I guarantee you will look terrible against a mediocre at best UW team this year.
Why should we be better than IIII?
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Yaeh, I guess 45% from 3 over two years can’t make you overlook 2 games. Go away.
For those new posters out tonight like it’s your first night trick or treating, where are you other days? You’re only here to bitch?
F*ck off lighthouse I'm always around this forum don't act like I'm some lurker out to hate. It's a valid point to make that Howard is in a slump, whether it's because he has to create for himself or his success is in his head I don't know
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Carolina was also one of the best teams in the country...that's a LOT different then getting your doors blown off by a decent IU team..that you should be better then. This is the same IU team that I guarantee you will look terrible against a mediocre at best UW team this year.
We have no idea how good this IU team is or how good MU is. It's game 3. That North Carolina team that year, lost back to back games against Minnesota and Vanderbilt. The Gophers finished 6-12 that year.
Is this board always like this after a loss? Crazy time.
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Heaping praise after a victory over Bethune-Cookman is pointless.
Yaeh, I guess 45% from 3 over two years can’t make you overlook 2 games. Go away.
For those new posters out tonight like it’s your first night trick or treating, where are you other days? You’re only here to bitch?
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The shine on Wojo's rep is dulling as we watch this pathetic road performance of his "best" team's performance after its first ranking of his coaching tenure. I hope for better things in the coming months.
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Speed matters.
Totally agree. Athletes matter. Yet this is the team Wojo put together. Sadly, this team despite some athletic limitation shouldn’t get pummeled like this.
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Well you must mean NIT Tip-off - which we’ll surely get stomped in! Or maybe you mean March Madness and are being facetious? If that’s the case, it’s a little more sad than funny because you and I both know we won’t be there....
Can I please use this quote as my sig????
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Can I please use this quote as my sig????
Be my guest. We’ll see if you’re still as thrilled when it slowly and painfully comes to fruition.
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5-23 from 3. Many of the misses were wide open looks. If you are a 3 point shooting team and you do the, you are going to be blown out of the water by any half decent team.
True, but there were also the usual poor fundamentals and soft defense that we have grown so accustomed to over the past few years.
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F*ck off lighthouse I'm always around this forum don't act like I'm some lurker out to hate. It's a valid point to make that Howard is in a slump, whether it's because he has to create for himself or his success is in his head I don't know
It's the absence of Rowsey. How some* here didn't think losing Rowsey was going to be a major blow to the team and adversely affect Sam/Markus was beyond me.
Rowsey turned in the best Value Add season at MU since D-Wade in 2003. The guy made the game easier for everyone and created MAJOR spacing and clean looks for Sam/Markus.
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Be my guest. We’ll see if you’re still as thrilled when it slowly and painfully comes to fruition.
How about a friendly wager? If MU gets a bid, you start a threat titled "I'm eating crow ", if they don't, I'll start a thread with the same title and also include "wojo should be fired immediately". Fair?
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F*ck off lighthouse I'm always around this forum don't act like I'm some lurker out to hate. It's a valid point to make that Howard is in a slump, whether it's because he has to create for himself or his success is in his head I don't know
You’re right. You aren’t a lurker our to hate. You make lots of idiotic posts and for me not to remember all the crap posts you’ve had, I apologize.
F*ck off though? Someone needs a timeout.
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We lost to a very young, inexperienced, unranked team forced to play shorthanded (4 guys in street clothes?) as the only ranked and most experienced team in the Wojo era. And it wasn't close. I think we'll be fine (weak conference, not a lot of great athletes) until we play an athletic team in the tournament.
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Rowsey turned in the best Value Add season at MU since D-Wade in 2003. The guy made the game easier for everyone and created MAJOR spacing and clean looks for Sam/Markus.
Rowsey turned in the 10th best Value Add season. He was second in value add last season behind Sam Hauser.
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You’re right. You aren’t a lurker our to hate. You make lots of idiotic posts and for me not to remember all the crap posts you’ve had, I apologize.
F*ck off though? Someone needs a timeout.
Haha if I'm the idiot in your world view I can certainly live with that and wear that badge proudly. I appeciate your apology though.
Go ahead report it, if the mods deem it fit they can put me in my place.
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How about a friendly wager? If MU gets a bid, you start a threat titled "I'm eating crow ", if they don't, I'll start a thread with the same title and also include "wojo should be fired immediately". Fair?
Higher than a 10 seed and you have a deal. Bubble is same old same old to me.
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Higher than a 10 seed and you have a deal. Bubble is same old same old to me.
I'll take that, although I'll note that you're shifting goalposts on your original "were NIT bound".
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How about a friendly wager? If MU gets a bid, you start a threat titled "I'm eating crow ", if they don't, I'll start a thread with the same title and also include "wojo should be fired immediately". Fair?
Wojo's best team in 5 years and "getting a bid" should be applauded?? That should be expected.
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Higher than a 10 seed and you have a deal. Bubble is same old same old to me.
Goalposts, moving quickly.
Dis guy will be banned, don't make the bet.
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I'll take that, although I'll note that you're shifting goalposts on your original "were NIT bound".
I still think so but I wouldn’t put a lucky bubble bid and first round exit out of any sort of equation. And if that happens Wojo should still be fired tbh.
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How about a friendly wager? If MU gets a bid, you start a threat titled "I'm eating crow ", if they don't, I'll start a thread with the same title and also include "wojo should be fired immediately". Fair?
I am suddenly intrigued...
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Previous seasons have nothing to do with tonight, in case you didn't notice Henry ain't out there.
Come on, there are trends that are getting pretty noticeable. Markus had a bad shooting night against UMBC; people knew not to worry and that he'd bounce back - why? Because of experience from prior seasons. We struggled in all facets of the game tonight, which is concerning - why? Because this is the same experience we've had so many times in previous seasons.
At some point, even the most ardent Wojo supporters need to face reality when he doesn't prepare the team well enough to win. Tonight may not be proof that he's in over his head, but the trends we've seen from his teams can't be ignored.
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Don’t you have some ants to burn with a magnifying glass or puppies to kick or something?
New parameter up to 10 points. OT win always considered 1 point win
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True, but there were also the usual poor fundamentals and soft defense that we have grown so accustomed to over the past few years.
Amen. We have some awesome shooters but we ONLY look like a good team when our shots are falling. To me that's not the mark of a well coached team. Buzz had some clunkers (all coached do) but his teams won a lot of games a lot of different ways. Comical when folks try to compare his coaching acumen to Wojo's.
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Is this board always like this after a loss? Crazy time.
It can get ugly. One guy (long since banned) called our lads "dogs who peed down their legs" after a tough loss. Hard to believe for an even keel newbie like yourself I'm sure - but I swear it happened
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It can get ugly. One guy (long since banned) called our lads "dogs who peed down their legs" after a tough loss. Hard to believe for an even keel newbie like yourself I'm sure - but I swear it happened
Based on what I am reading, calls for firings and the sorts, seems like anything is possible. People need to take a breath. It's a game.
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Come on, there are trends that are getting pretty noticeable. Markus had a bad shooting night against UMBC; people knew not to worry and that he'd bounce back - why? Because of experience from prior seasons. We struggled in all facets of the game tonight, which is concerning - why? Because this is the same experience we've had so many times in previous seasons.
At some point, even the most ardent Wojo supporters need to face reality when he doesn't prepare the team well enough to win. Tonight may not be proof that he's in over his head, but the trends we've seen from his teams can't be ignored.
This...especially the last paragraph. Trends...Rooting for Wojo but seems like the same old stuff, some nights are not your night but you can always make them earn it. I absolutely hate hate the softness.
Judging by this game MU isn't a tournament team. There can be much improvement between now and March but judging from where MU is starting I need to temper my expectations. I would put them in the old gym in white t's and crappy shorts until further notice.
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I still think so but I wouldn’t put a lucky bubble bid and first round exit out of any sort of equation. And if that happens Wojo should still be fired tbh.
You've now shifted goalposts twice. I'm still more than willing to take your secondary bet. 9 seed or better, I win, 10 seed, or worse/NIT/CBI/ no postseason, you win. If your're in, let me know (and someone teach me how to set that as my sig.). If not, then
that's all I need to know about you.
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Wojo's best team in 5 years and "getting a bid" should be applauded?? That should be expected.
I agree, that's why I took his bet (hopefully, he might still back out). He could have bumped it up a couple of lines, and I still would have taken it.
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“It’s one season guys let’s see how next year goes”
Nope. This is the year. If we don't have a successful season I'm out on Wojo. I also am not gonna judge based on one game. Buzz's best teams got hammered. Nobody remembers Vanderbilt in 11-12? Nova/Dayton in 08-09? Louisville in 10-11? Georgetown in 09-10? @ Florida and @ GB in 12-13?
It happens every year. If it continues through this year, Wojo should be gone. But I think we'll be fine.
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I am suddenly intrigued...
Wager is available to you too, if you want it???
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Nope. This is the year. If we don't have a successful season I'm out on Wojo. I also am not gonna judge based on one game. Buzz's best teams got hammered. Nobody remembers Vanderbilt in 11-12? Nova/Dayton in 08-09? Louisville in 10-11? Georgetown in 09-10? @ Florida and @ GB in 12-13?
It happens every year. If it continues through this year, Wojo should be gone. But I think we'll be fine.
Exactly this. You aren't going to find anyone in the "wait til next year" camp this year. This has always been the year. Barring catastrophic injuries, Wojo is expected to deliver this season. I think we will be fine too.
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Is it next year yet? :-\
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The question, TAMU, is what (using a term you love) is Wojo's (acceptable) floor, this year?
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The question, TAMU, is what (using a term you love) is Wojo's (acceptable) floor, this year?
My floor (the basement) is 4th in big east last 4 in, one ncaa win.
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The question, TAMU, is what (using a term you love) is Wojo's (acceptable) floor, this year?
I'm not TAMU but I certainly think a tournament berth is the absolute minimum. A bubble team that wins a few games in the tournament probably saves him. But personally I think if this team isn't a top 32 team then Wojo will never get us where we want to be.
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The question, TAMU, is what (using a term you love) is Wojo's (acceptable) floor, this year?
Floor? Comfortable bubble team. Like a 9 seed. Lower than that and I'll be concerned
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Good analysis. Quickness / athleticism lacking, toughness, too. Toughness can be taught, not the other part.
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Disagree. Toughness is a characteristic of a person. Most tough players were not taught to be tough. It is how they are. MU needs some of the type of players Al recruited. Other than Theo, I see no toughness in the returning players.
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Good analysis. Quickness / athleticism lacking, toughness, too. Toughness can be taught, not the other part.
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Disagree. Toughness is a characteristic of a person. Most tough players were not taught to be tough. It is how they are. MU needs some of the type of players Al recruited. Other than Theo, I see no toughness in the returning players.
I would say Sacar is tough, not big but tough
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I still think so but I wouldn’t put a lucky bubble bid and first round exit out of any sort of equation. And if that happens Wojo should still be fired tbh.
I nominate meme contest lucky bubble team
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Wojo's best team in 5 years and "getting a bid" should be applauded?? That should be expected.
Not applauding betting that he gets one.
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Come on, there are trends that are getting pretty noticeable. Markus had a bad shooting night against UMBC; people knew not to worry and that he'd bounce back - why? Because of experience from prior seasons. We struggled in all facets of the game tonight, which is concerning - why? Because this is the same experience we've had so many times in previous seasons.
At some point, even the most ardent Wojo supporters need to face reality when he doesn't prepare the team well enough to win. Tonight may not be proof that he's in over his head, but the trends we've seen from his teams can't be ignored.
No to me what is obvious is that Markus is in over his head at PG against high majors, completely loses his offense, gets tired, forces too much at critical times and turns it over. Doubt he will be much better at PG by end of season just don't see it. I rather see Sam / Joey bring ball down, Markus can have it in the flow of the offensive possession. JC needs more playing time on Saturday. I liked when Joey & JC were bringing ball together.