We can get a decent ROI.
NIT this year.
How's Wojo's seat, hey?
Starting to boil. Spec after the baldy got in two straight years
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 05:23:34 PM
How's Wojo's seat, hey?
Depends. Could be a 3 out of 10 now.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:10:54 PM
We can get a decent ROI.
NIT this year.
You said a few weeks ago the season was over, no post season. No NIT. DOA.
Hole season's bin won big joke, hey?
This season was a disgrace on every level. We weren't even in the running to this selection committee.
Quote from: hagansworld on March 11, 2018, 05:26:47 PM
What is ice cold?
What is, warmer than it was this time last year. Like it or not that's a factual statement
Go back to the Vadger board
This season was a failure imo. Needed to get the team to the tournament to build momentum. I say you sh*t can wojo next year if they don't make it. It'd be a good year for it. Howard/Hauser/hauser/morrow would all still be here and you'd have a year to get the new coaches players in.
Wasn't really close either. Buzz set the program back years. I wish him nothing but the worst.
we certainly did not deserve it. However, there are some awful selections and omissions. Syracuse, ASU, Oklahoma?????????? No St. Mary's???????
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 11, 2018, 05:25:03 PM
Starting to boil. Spec after the baldy got in two straight years
Has no impact at all. Coach Williams left, wish him well in his new team. He got the benefit of playing in the third best conference instead of the 2nd best, the one he said wouldn't be very good. ;)
Wojo has to come through next season and his team is ready to do that. New arena, loaded team coming back. This year met expectations. Cannot wait for 2018-19 season.
With they way every Sports show in America has pimped Oklahoma's freshman, they were getting in if they had a losing record.
Quote from: jonny09 on March 11, 2018, 05:32:02 PM
we certainly did not deserve it. However, there are some awful selections and omissions. Syracuse, ASU, Oklahoma?????????? No St. Mary's???????
St. Mary's SOS is 169.....exactly two wins over a tournament team and was an AQ. They didn't deserve it.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 05:27:28 PM
You said a few weeks ago the season was over, no post season. No NIT. DOA.
You were banned several times, not once, multiple accounts. You keep coming back.
But, you're not wrong.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 11, 2018, 05:29:58 PM
What is, warmer than it was this time last year. Like it or not that's a factual statement
Nope. It's really not.
I 'member when X sucked ass and wuz a guaranteed W, hey?
Quote from: hagansworld on March 11, 2018, 05:35:54 PM
Nope. It's really not.
Yes, it really is. Garbage that 4 years in we have to worry about making the tournament.
We outspend almost everyone and get nothing for our money.
Time to face up. We did not deserve it. The loss to DePaul did it big time. Stop with the "we will be really good next year" and the "Wojo has us trending in the right direction" excuses. The direction Wojo has us in is bottom tier of BEast, not competing for BEast titles, and maybe an occasional NIT appearance.
Stop whining about who got in that did not deserve it. Wojo better put up 23 plus wins next year, and his ass should have a blow torch on it right now.
Yep. If we aren't safely in next year there are some real concerns. I don't anticipate it being an issue, though.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:37:59 PM
Yes, it really is. Garbage that 4 years in we have to worry about making the tournament.
We outspend almost everyone and get nothing for our money.
Bad stat. Stop using it.
They should be back next year. If not the seat will undoubtedly be warm.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 05:28:20 PM
Hole season's bin won big joke, hey?
Kind of like all your post.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:37:59 PM
Yes, it really is. Garbage that 4 years in we have to worry about making the tournament.
We outspend almost everyone and get nothing for our money.
Whether you like it or not, Wojo's seat warmer is turned off. So unless it was overcast last year compared to today's sun providing the driver seat some heat, no, his seat is no hotter than it was a year ago.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 11, 2018, 05:25:03 PM
Starting to boil. Spec after the baldy got in two straight years
Baldy has hair now.
2 degrees Kelvin. It has been discussed before that MU handles accounting in a way that make rent at the Bradley Center part of expenditures. Next year on paper, Marquette's expenditures will go up due to increased rent. While MU does spend on basketball, it is not an exact representation compared to other schools.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 05:41:21 PM
Bad stat. Stop using it.
They should be back next year. If not the seat will undoubtedly be warm.
How is it a 'bad stat'? There is no such thing.
Last year we spent the 3rd most per win of the NCAA tournament teams. I wonder how much we spent this year per win to NOT make the tournament.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2018/03/07/ncaa-tournaments-biggest-spenders-usually-rank-among-its-biggest-winners-too/#1d68ca647a22 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2018/03/07/ncaa-tournaments-biggest-spenders-usually-rank-among-its-biggest-winners-too/#1d68ca647a22)
Quote from: peterpan on March 11, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
This season was a failure imo. Needed to get the team to the tournament to build momentum. I say you sh*t can wojo next year if they don't make it. It'd be a good year for it. Howard/Hauser/hauser/morrow would all still be here and you'd have a year to get the new coaches players in.
This would be an interesting move. Especially if Hauser, Hauser and Howard take their talents elsewhere after the change.
It's a bad stat because it includes the rent we pay to BC. Other schools don't count something similar.
Bad stat.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
It's a bad stat because it includes the rent we pay to BC. Other schools don't count something similar.
Bad stat.
Oh, so its still money we have to spend.
Gotcha.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:43:26 PM
How is it a 'bad stat'? There is no such thing.
Last year we spent the 3rd most per win of the NCAA tournament teams. I wonder how much we spent this year per win to NOT make the tournament.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2018/03/07/ncaa-tournaments-biggest-spenders-usually-rank-among-its-biggest-winners-too/#1d68ca647a22 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2018/03/07/ncaa-tournaments-biggest-spenders-usually-rank-among-its-biggest-winners-too/#1d68ca647a22)
Bad stat because it implies the expenditures and how they are tracked are equal across all schools. Some schools have to reimburse for scholarships, some pay rent for their buildings, some pay huge salaries while others have boosters carry the majority of the salary load. That is why it is a bad stat.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 05:36:24 PM
I 'member when X sucked ass and wuz a guaranteed W, hey?
I remember when Wisconsin sucked ass, but they just went 19 straight years to the NCAA tournament without cheating, taking solid basketball players that they developed. MU can do the same.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Oh, so its still money we have to spend.
Gotcha.
Dude don't be dumb. If you can't see why it's a bad stat I don't know what to tell you.
Marquette spends a lot just like many other schools. Many of which didn't make it either.
Wojo can't carry Bo's jockstrap as a coach.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
I remember when Wisconsin sucked ass, but they just went 19 straight years to the NCAA tournament without cheating, taking solid basketball players that they developed. MU can do the same.
How are they going to be without a HOF coach though? Their season was over months ago.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
I remember when Wisconsin sucked ass, but they just went 19 straight years to the NCAA tournament without cheating, taking solid basketball players that they developed. MU can do the same.
Why do you say they don't cheat? At the very best they stretch the lines just like most other top tier teams.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 05:50:36 PM
I remember when Wisconsin sucked ass, but they just went 19 straight years to the NCAA tournament without cheating, taking solid basketball players that they developed. MU can do the same.
Their coach cheated...
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 05:52:18 PM
Wojo can't carry Bo's jockstrap as a coach.
Compere year 4 vs year 4 of the two.
In Bo Ryan's first four years of coaching, he had one conference winning record. He was allowed the ability to cut his teeth. Ryan was a great coach and a not so great person, but he learned his trade in the NAIA then DII of NCAA. His first two years of DI basketball were nothing great, but he walked into a great situation at Wisconsin and performed highly.
Let us see how Coach Wojo does now that he has his guys, his program, his philosophy moving forward. Ryan is a Hall of Famer, we would be very fortunate if Wojo turned out to be in the same league as Ryan.
Ryan won at all stops along the way, biggly.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 05:23:34 PM
How's Wojo's seat, hey?
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Not much.. If you can't see vision just play in traffic.
WarriorDad
Short conversation comparing Wojo and Bo. Bo was a helluva of a coach and was for decades. Bo forget more ball than most coaches ever learned, and that is coming from a guy that strongly dislikes Bo.
Quote from: forgetful on March 11, 2018, 05:55:29 PM
Why do you say they don't cheat? At the very best they stretch the lines just like most other top tier teams.
Has there been a scintilla of evidence they have cheated in basketball?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 06:03:44 PM
Ryan won at all stops along the way, biggly.
He was 30-27 at Wisconsin Milwaukee
It took him a number of years to do much at UW Platteville, but eventually did great there, same with Madison.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:02:28 PM
Compere year 4 vs year 4 of the two.
In Bo Ryan's first four years of coaching, he had one conference winning record. He was allowed the ability to cut his teeth. Ryan was a great coach and a not so great person, but he learned his trade in the NAIA then DII of NCAA. His first two years of DI basketball were nothing great, but he walked into a great situation at Wisconsin and performed highly.
Let us see how Coach Wojo does now that he has his guys, his program, his philosophy moving forward. Ryan is a Hall of Famer, we would be very fortunate if Wojo turned out to be in the same league as Ryan.
Ahh...we had that this year - all Wojo's guys.
I can tell you right now with 99.99 percent certainly, Wojo won't ever be a Hall of Fame College Basketball coach or sniff Bo Ryan's jock - whether that be as coach at MU, or if he managed to get Duke job somehow.
Nice enough guy. But just doesn't have the necessary "it" factor as a coach...and IMO he makes poor player personnel decisions and poor in-game adjustments. All of that adds up to being at best a C-level coach.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2018, 06:06:13 PM
WarriorDad
Short conversation comparing Wojo and Bo. Bo was a helluva of a coach and was for decades. Bo forget more ball than most coaches ever learned, and that is coming from a guy that strongly dislikes Bo.
One is 41 years old in his 4th year, the other is 70 years old and retired. How was coach Ryan in his 4th year, coaching in the NAIA?
If Stew is legendary, Bo is James Naismith.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 11, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Wasn't really close either. Buzz set the program back years. I wish him nothing but the worst.
Bwahahahaha! The second most successful coach in MU history is at fault in Wojo's 4th season! Pass the crack pipe!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2018, 06:17:51 PM
Bwahahahaha! The second most successful coach in MU history is at fault in Wojo's 4th season! Pass the crack pipe!
Buzz was fantastic here.
He absolutely is partially at fault for our current results.
Both can be true.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 06:11:35 PM
Ahh...we had that this year - all Wojo's guys.
I can tell you right now with 99.99 percent certainly, Wojo won't ever be a Hall of Fame College Basketball coach or sniff Bo Ryan's jock - whether that be as coach at MU, or if he managed to get Duke job somehow.
Nice enough guy. But just doesn't have the necessary "it" factor as a coach...and IMO he makes poor player personnel decisions and poor in-game adjustments. All of that adds up to being at best a C-level coach.
Considering 99.9% of coaches do not make the Hall of Fame, you are going out on quite a limb.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
Considering 99.9% of coaches do not make the Hall of Fame, you are going out on quite a limb.
Lol - Yea. True. But, it is also quite a stretch to hold up the early stage careers of any of Bo Ryan, Jay Wright, and Coach K - to try to prop up Wojo. Wojo walked into a pretty good deal at MU - great facilities, Big East conference affiliation, great budget/private jet for recruiting, solid base of talented underclassmen in the program, etc.
Next year will be big for Woj. I have a feeling it will be a virtual carbon copy of this year...and will be interesting to see how our fanbase feels next year should that turn out to be the case.
Newsflash----'Nova's a young team.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
Lol - Yea. True. But, it is also quite a stretch to hold up the early stage careers of any of Bo Ryan, Jay Wright, and Coach K - to try to prop up Wojo. Wojo walked into a pretty good deal at MU - great facilities, Big East conference affiliation, great budget/private jet for recruiting, solid base of talented underclassmen in the program, etc.
Next year will be big for Woj. I have a feeling it will be a virtual carbon copy of this year...and will be interesting to see how our fanbase feels next year should that turn out to be the case.
Uh you sure about that?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 06:37:03 PM
Newsflash----'Nova's a young team.
Brunson is a Junior. Bridges, Booth, and Paschall are all red shirt juniors. DiVincenzo is a RS sophomore. Hardly young...
One concerning thing was I watched the post game conference after nova and wojo said..."I thought we had an outstanding year, especially considering our youth."
I would hope he would the program goals higher than 19-13 and NIT (hopefully NIT at this point lol)
Quote from: peterpan on March 11, 2018, 06:42:28 PM
One concerning thing was I watched the post game conference after nova and wojo said..."I thought we had an outstanding year, especially considering our youth."
I would hope he would the program goals higher than 19-13 and NIT (hopefully NIT at this point lol)
You're really THAT worried about that quote? What do you expect him to say?
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
Lol - Yea. True. But, it is also quite a stretch to hold up the early stage careers of any of Bo Ryan, Jay Wright, and Coach K - to try to prop up Wojo. Wojo walked into a pretty good deal at MU - great facilities, Big East conference affiliation, great budget/private jet for recruiting, solid base of talented underclassmen in the program, etc.
Next year will be big for Woj. I have a feeling it will be a virtual carbon copy of this year...and will be interesting to see how our fanbase feels next year should that turn out to be the case.
If you read comments about Wright from a few years ago you would see how many people wanted him fired. Fan bases are emotional and often not very grounded. The reason to show the comparisons is to illustrate very few coaches hit the ground running and stay at a high level forever. Not Bill Belichick, not Jay Wright, Coach K, Bob Knight, John Wooden. Wojo has a lot to learn, so did others. Let us all hope he is able to get to that level, but very few have without down seasons along the way. In my view, this wasn't a down season. Exactly how I thought it would turn out. Next year, a result less than top 3 or 4 in conference and a upper bracket seed would be underachieving.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
He was 30-27 at Wisconsin Milwaukee
Which was a minor miracle considering Ric Cobb went 28-81 the four years prior.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 06:37:03 PM
Newsflash----'Nova's a young team.
The Big East player of the year is a junior, Brunson. Mikal Bridges, All Big East first team is also a junior.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 06:48:23 PM
Which was a minor miracle considering Ric Cobb went 28-81 the four years prior.
Would you consider 30-27 winning biggly?
Cobb's last year was 5-9 in conference. Coach Ryan went 6-8 and 7-7. Some improvement, but not what I would call biggly.
Could very well be wrong. In which case those on this board will read my apology, but, my opinion remains that I don't think, nor have I observed, that Steve has the chops to turn this team into a perennial power.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 06:59:43 PM
Could very well be wrong. In which case those on this board will read my apology, but, my opinion remains that I don't think, nor have I observed, that Steve has the chops to turn this team into a perennial power.
Perennial Power appears to be a long way from other comments. We haven't been a perennial power since the 1970's. I don't see anyone in the coaching ranks coming to Milwaukee that will duplicate those results.
Why knot? What do X and Nova have that we don't?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
Why knot? What do X and Nova have that we don't?
Nothing. There is no reason we cannot be at that level.
Both of them have coaches that were part of the program beforehand. They were continuing part of a tradition. Stability is very important. The biggest problem Marquette has had is an inability to develop a succession plan. O'Neill, Crean and Buzz were all replaced by outsiders.
Eventually Marquette has to have stable leadership with assistants who can replace the head coach should he head elsewhere. Is that Wojo? Jury is obviously out.
4ever
That to me is the corker of the whole thing. X and'Nova are no different than MU. Anyone that does not believe MU CAN be a top 15 program is flat out wrong. If X can do it, MU sure as hell can do it.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
4ever
That to me is the corker of the whole thing. X and'Nova are no different than MU. Anyone that does not believe MU CAN be a top 15 program is flat out wrong. If X can do it, MU sure as hell can do it.
This is exactly how I feel.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
4ever
That to me is the corker of the whole thing. X and'Nova are no different than MU. Anyone that does not believe MU CAN be a top 15 program is flat out wrong. If X can do it, MU sure as hell can do it.
I definitely agree with that.
Wonder if it can be done with Wojo, however.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
Why knot? What do X and Nova have that we don't?
X has their own, on campus arena.
Villanova has their own, on campus arena (though under renovation and most games this year played at Wells Fargo).
Villanova is a better academic school than MU. Larger endowment, won a national title more recently than we did (1980's) prior to their most recent.
Is X a perennial power? What defines this? I'm willing to answer your question, but need to understand how you define things.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 07:08:40 PM
Perennial Power appears to be a long way from other comments. We haven't been a perennial power since the 1970's. I don't see anyone in the coaching ranks coming to Milwaukee that will duplicate those results.
Spoken like your mentor Mike Deane.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 07:23:29 PM
X has their own, on campus arena.
Villanova has their own, on campus arena (though under renovation and most games this year played at Wells Fargo).
Villanova is a better academic school than MU. Larger endowment, won a national title more recently than we did (1980's) prior to their most recent.
Is X a perennial power? What defines this? I'm willing to answer your question, but need to understand how you define things.
You honestly think having an on-campus arena makes a difference???
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
Spoken like your mentor Mike Deane.
Never met the man. He took over a NCAA team and went down over next five years. Recruiting poor at the end. Wojo took over a non NIT team and has improved program. I see no comparison between two, though both may end up not being the right people for the job.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 07:16:46 PM
Nothing. There is no reason we cannot be at that level.
Both of them have coaches that were part of the program beforehand. They were continuing part of a tradition. Stability is very important. The biggest problem Marquette has had is an inability to develop a succession plan. O'Neill, Crean and Buzz were all replaced by outsiders.
Eventually Marquette has to have stable leadership with assistants who can replace the head coach should he head elsewhere. Is that Wojo? Jury is obviously out.
We have Stan Johnson ready for when Wojo gets offered the Duke job. Let's hope Lovell has Stan on high alert.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 07:26:32 PM
You honestly think having an on-campus arena makes a difference???
Only going off what the recruits that land there say. Student attendance better, practice where you play, great recruiting tool.
If MU had the chance to build a quality on campus arena vs playing in one shared by other teams, we would do so for the benefits it would provide.
WarriorDad
If you can argue how Villanova or X can do it and we can't, I think you are trying to argue. You did almost convince me with X having on campus facility and 'Nova being better academically. Then I stopped laughing and now think you are just being difficult.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 07:23:29 PM
X has their own, on campus arena.
Villanova has their own, on campus arena (though under renovation and most games this year played at Wells Fargo).
Villanova is a better academic school than MU. Larger endowment, won a national title more recently than we did (1980's) prior to their most recent.
Is X a perennial power? What defines this? I'm willing to answer your question, but need to understand how you define things.
IIRC, they had a streak a while back where they went to five consecutive S16s. And I believe that they were the only program to do that in that five-year span. I'd consider that pretty powerful.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Never met the man. He took over a NCAA team and went down over next five years. Recruiting poor at the end. Wojo took over a non NIT team and has improved program. I see no comparison between two, though both may end up not being the right people for the job.
Uh huh
I said I would wait until October 2018, but I had to post. I have always been of the mindset that it takes 4 years, minimum, to judge a coach that has to rebuild a program. Year 5 is typically the defining year.
Cards on the table . . . I am not hopeful. Kevin O'Neill walked into a worse situation than Wojo and had the team in the NCAA Tournament in year 4, and everyone knew year 5 was shaping-up to be something spectacular. Of course, O'Neill's first recruiting class was a home run, his second was also exceptional. With the exception of 2 or 3 players, everyone stayed and developed in the program. I don't see the same consistency from recruiting class to recruiting class with Wojo.
Maybe Wojo hits it out of the park in the NIT. Maybe the the underclassmen develop over the summer and next year's recruits (and a point guard to be named later) approach Kentucky level of performance and the Warriors make a deep run in the 2019 Tournament. It could happen. I believe that. But I am not sure I would take that bet?
I am not sure what is better about this thread. Backwards justification of why this season is a success or Chico's pretending he's someone else for the unpteenth time.
Thought playing in a NBA arena and hobknobbin' wit the playas might bee a plus, aina?
If on campus arena didn't matter, why is Villanova spending $62 million right now to renovate theirs? Why do schools make the investment in the first place in cities where schools have other options (NBA, NHL, other arenas)? Because it helps.
That is a key item we do not have those schools do. The other one, their coaches stick around and they keep continuity. They have also made great hires.
Xavier
Pete Gillen
Skip Prosser (asst at XU for 8 years)
Thad Matta
Sean Miller (asst at XU for 3 years)
Chris Mack (asst at XU for 7 years)
Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?
We absolutely can be a top 15 team. I expect to be one in the next two years.
4ever
Jim Mac said on the radio last week that playing at BC was a selling point. We have this debate every year, but of course NBA arena is a plus. To add to MU case, one of the five most exciting players in the league plays for the Bucks.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:52:01 PM
Thought playing in a NBA arena and hobknobbin' wit the playas might bee a plus, aina?
Is there data that backs this up? Georgetown? St. John's? Marquette? Memphis? Louisville the only one that seems to pull it off consistently, but they are under NCAA investigation.
Butler, Minnesota, Miami, UCLA, USC, TCU, DePaul, UNC Charlotte, USF, Washington, Arizona State, Utah, and others all choose not to play the majority (or any) of their home games in the NBA arena that exists in their town.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?
Just like X
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?
Yes, we tried internal hires and Hank and Rick did not come through. We went the other direction, and had some success but not consistency. We tend to have not very patient fans and give coaches a reason to look around.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?
Yup. Always hiring an outsider and if we are lucky, 5-7 years and a few Tournament wins. Maybe Wojo is the second coming of Al? March 2019 will tell.
4ever
The continuity is missing because I never have felt the University has a long term plan in place. Always seems like they react to situations rather than plan ahead. In addition, I believe they have taken the program for granted for 50 years. Back in the day, you could sleep at the wheel and not get burnt really badly. In today's game, no room for error.
Villanova's off campus arena is 14 miles away in Philadelphia. Marquette's is a few blocks from campus!
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 08:00:54 PM
Yes, we tried internal hires and Hank and Rick did not come through. We went the other direction, and had some success but not consistency. We tend to have not very patient fans and give coaches a reason to look around.
I really feel like I am to blame for coaches leaving; nothing to do with the AD, BoT, and President. Nothing at all.
Silly for a school that relies so heavily on basketball to just assume the program runs on auto-pilot and is self-propagating.
Now I am waiting until October before commenting on Wojo and the direction of the team.
Unless they smoked by Harvard on Wednesday, hey?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2018, 07:35:56 PM
I said I would wait until October 2018, but I had to post. I have always been of the mindset that it takes 4 years, minimum, to judge a coach that has to rebuild a program. Year 5 is typically the defining year.
Cards on the table . . . I am not hopeful. Kevin O'Neill walked into a worse situation than Wojo and had the team in the NCAA Tournament in year 4, and everyone knew year 5 was shaping-up to be something spectacular. Of course, O'Neill's first recruiting class was a home run, his second was also exceptional. With the exception of 2 or 3 players, everyone stayed and developed in the program. I don't see the same consistency from recruiting class to recruiting class with Wojo.
Maybe Wojo hits it out of the park in the NIT. Maybe the the underclassmen develop over the summer and next year's recruits (and a point guard to be named later) approach Kentucky level of performance and the Warriors make a deep run in the 2019 Tournament. It could happen. I believe that. But I am not sure I would take that bet?
What have we seen this year leads one to believe that Wojo would hit it out of the park in the NIT? Equally likely that Wojo takes a big dump in NIT.
Kan't bee any wurst dan Crean vs Western Michigan, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
Silly for a school that relies so heavily on basketball to just assume the program runs on auto-pilot and is self-propagating.
??? Are you talking about Marquette? What leads you to believe this is their mindset?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
We absolutely can be a top 15 team. I expect to be one in the next two years.
Brother TAMU, you better be accurate.
If a year from now we're having the same anger and disappointment we have now, Wojo's seat will be 1000 degrees Kelvin and his backside better be lined with asbestos insulation or his butt will be charcoal. There's no excuse at this point for not being an NCAA team next year, especially given what's coming in and our new "Warrior Center."
Heck, we should have been one this year but......
I know the Trustees love him and I know Coach Wojo is an honorable guy, but if we have another year like this one, the fan interest will nosedive and the revenue wane. Nothing gets a Jesuit's attention faster than waning revenue.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 11, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Oh, so its still money we have to spend.
Gotcha.
Please tell me you aren't a B-school grad. If so, you are making us look bad.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 06:59:43 PM
Could very well be wrong. In which case those on this board will read my apology, but, my opinion remains that I don't think, nor have I observed, that Steve has the chops to turn this team into a perennial power.
I think he needs to change his recruiting emphasis. Three point shooters are good, but you need to recruit players tough enough to play defense and rebound. I find it hard to imagine that Virginia, Cincy or West Virginia would of seriously tried to recruit any of our players.
I hold Wojo responsible for the team he built, but I think getting to 9-9 in Big East with the talent he had was pretty good coaching.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2018, 07:31:29 PM
WarriorDad
If you can argue how Villanova or X can do it and we can't, I think you are trying to argue. You did almost convince me with X having on campus facility and 'Nova being better academically. Then I stopped laughing and now think you are just being difficult.
Not trying to be difficult. An on campus arena means students go in droves, players practice where they play, dates are not an issue. That is a nice perk to have and why so many schools pour so much money into on campus facilities. If we had the money to build one, do you think we wouldn't?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2018, 07:35:56 PM
Cards on the table . . . I am not hopeful. Kevin O'Neill walked into a worse situation than Wojo and had the team in the NCAA Tournament in year 4, and everyone knew year 5 was shaping-up to be something spectacular. Of course, O'Neill's first recruiting class was a home run, his second was also exceptional. With the exception of 2 or 3 players, everyone stayed and developed in the program. I don't see the same consistency from recruiting class to recruiting class with Wojo.
Maybe Wojo hits it out of the park in the NIT. Maybe the the underclassmen develop over the summer and next year's recruits (and a point guard to be named later) approach Kentucky level of performance and the Warriors make a deep run in the 2019 Tournament. It could happen. I believe that. But I am not sure I would take that bet?
O'Neill walked into a bad situation in some regards, but not in others. Wisconsin was in the middle of their 54 year NCAA drought, so in state talent was waiting to come to MU, not Wisconsin. Wojo has to fight tooth and nail with Wisconsin on a 19 year NCAA streak and back to back Final Fours. Wojo also has to compete in the Big East, O'Neill in the Midwest Collegiate Conference.
Wojo has better facilities and stronger commitment by the university, but O'Neill's timing was pretty good in other areas.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 11, 2018, 08:07:13 PM
I really feel like I am to blame for coaches leaving; nothing to do with the AD, BoT, and President. Nothing at all.
The AD, President, BoT would come first, but fan pressure is in there, too. Not sure where anyone said the others are not impactful to that equation.
A happy fan base makes a coach's life easier. They attend games, donate money, support the team.
Quote from: bilsu on March 11, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
I think he needs to change his recruiting emphasis. Three point shooters are good, but you need to recruit players tough enough to play defense and rebound. I find it hard to imagine that Virginia, Cincy or West Virginia would of seriously tried to recruit any of our players.
I hold Wojo responsible for the team he built, but I think getting to 9-9 in Big East with the talent he had was pretty good coaching.
Sam Hauser literally made an official visit to Virginia before committing to Marquette.
And when Rowsey transferred, it came down to Marquette and Cincinnati.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Brother TAMU, you better be accurate.
If a year from now we're having the same anger and disappointment we have now, Wojo's seat will be 1000 degrees Kelvin and his backside better be lined with asbestos insulation or his butt will be charcoal. There's no excuse at this point for not being an NCAA team next year, especially given what's coming in and our new "Warrior Center."
Heck, we should have been one this year but......
I know the Trustees love him and I know Coach Wojo is an honorable guy, but if we have another year like this one, the fan interest will nosedive and the revenue wane. Nothing gets a Jesuit's attention faster than waning revenue.
What Jesuits?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Brother TAMU, you better be accurate.
If a year from now we're having the same anger and disappointment we have now, Wojo's seat will be 1000 degrees Kelvin and his backside better be lined with asbestos insulation or his butt will be charcoal. There's no excuse at this point for not being an NCAA team next year, especially given what's coming in and our new "Warrior Center."
Heck, we should have been one this year but......
I know the Trustees love him and I know Coach Wojo is an honorable guy, but if we have another year like this one, the fan interest will nosedive and the revenue wane. Nothing gets a Jesuit's attention faster than waning revenue.
If we miss the tournament next year, I don't think you'll find anyone here who would argue that his seat shouldn't be hot.