Maybe next year?

[Goose]

WarriorDad

If you can argue how Villanova or X can do it and we can't, I think you are trying to argue. You did almost convince me with X having on campus facility and 'Nova being better academically. Then I stopped laughing and now think you are just being difficult.

[Eldon]

X has their own, on campus arena.

Villanova has their own, on campus arena (though under renovation and most games this year played at Wells Fargo).

Villanova is a better academic school than MU.  Larger endowment, won a national title more recently than we did (1980's) prior to their most recent.


Is X a perennial power? What defines this?  I'm willing to answer your question, but need to understand how you define things.

IIRC, they had a streak a while back where they went to five consecutive S16s.  And I believe that they were the only program to do that in that five-year span.  I'd consider that pretty powerful.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Never met the man.  He took over a NCAA team and went down over next five years.  Recruiting poor at the end.  Wojo took over a non NIT team and has improved program.  I see no comparison between two, though both may end up not being the right people for the job.

Uh huh

[warriorfred]

I said I would wait until October 2018, but I had to post.  I have always been of the mindset that it takes 4 years, minimum, to judge a coach that has to rebuild a program.  Year 5 is typically the defining year.

Cards on the table . . . I am not hopeful. Kevin O'Neill walked into a worse situation than Wojo and had the team in the NCAA Tournament in year 4, and everyone knew year 5 was shaping-up to be something spectacular.  Of course, O'Neill's first recruiting class was a home run, his second was also exceptional.  With the exception of 2 or 3 players, everyone stayed and developed in the program.  I don't see the same consistency from recruiting class to recruiting class with Wojo.

Maybe Wojo hits it out of the park in the NIT.  Maybe the the underclassmen develop over the summer and next year's  recruits (and a point guard to be named later) approach Kentucky level of performance and the Warriors make a deep run in the 2019 Tournament.  It could happen.  I believe that.  But I am not sure I would take that bet?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I am not sure what is better about this thread.  Backwards justification of why this season is a success or Chico's pretending he's someone else for the unpteenth time. 

[4everwarriors]

Thought playing in a NBA arena and hobknobbin' wit the playas might bee a plus, aina?

[WarriorDad]

If on campus arena didn't matter, why is Villanova spending $62 million right now to renovate theirs?  Why do schools make the investment in the first place in cities where schools have other options (NBA, NHL, other arenas)?  Because it helps.

That is a key item we do not have those schools do.  The other one, their coaches stick around and they keep continuity.  They have also made great hires.

Xavier

Pete Gillen
Skip Prosser  (asst at XU for 8 years)
Thad Matta
Sean Miller  (asst at XU for 3 years)
Chris Mack  (asst at XU for 7 years)

[4everwarriors]

Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We absolutely can be a top 15 team. I expect to be one in the next two years.

[Goose]

4ever
Jim Mac said on the radio last week that playing at BC was a selling point. We have this debate every year, but of course NBA arena is a plus. To add to MU case, one of the five most exciting players in the league plays for the Bucks.

[WarriorDad]

Thought playing in a NBA arena and hobknobbin' wit the playas might bee a plus, aina?

Is there data that backs this up?  Georgetown?  St. John's?  Marquette?  Memphis?   Louisville the only one that seems to pull it off consistently, but they are under NCAA investigation.

Butler, Minnesota, Miami, UCLA, USC, TCU, DePaul, UNC Charlotte, USF, Washington, Arizona State, Utah, and others all choose not to play the majority (or any) of their home games in the NBA arena that exists in their town.

[LAZER]

Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?

Just like X

[WarriorDad]

Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?

Yes, we tried internal hires and Hank and Rick did not come through.  We went the other direction, and had some success but not consistency. We tend to have not very patient fans and give coaches a reason to look around. 

[Eldon]

Just like X

and Butler

[warriorfred]

Bingo! Great hires and continuity. We've had nun of that. Always a steppin' stone gig, hey?

Yup.  Always hiring an outsider and if we are lucky, 5-7 years and a few Tournament wins.  Maybe Wojo is the second coming of Al?  March 2019 will tell.

[Goose]

4ever

The continuity is missing because I never have felt the University has a long term plan in place. Always seems like they react to situations rather than plan ahead. In addition, I believe they have taken the program for granted for 50 years. Back in the day, you could sleep at the wheel and not get burnt really badly. In today's game, no room for error.

[wojoswarrior]

Villanova's off campus arena is 14 miles away in Philadelphia. Marquette's is a few blocks from campus!

[warriorfred]

Yes, we tried internal hires and Hank and Rick did not come through.  We went the other direction, and had some success but not consistency. We tend to have not very patient fans and give coaches a reason to look around.

I really feel like I am to blame for coaches leaving; nothing to do with the AD, BoT, and President.  Nothing at all.

[4everwarriors]

Silly for a school that relies so heavily on basketball to just assume the program runs on auto-pilot and is self-propagating.

[warriorfred]

Now I am waiting until October before commenting on Wojo and the direction of the team. 

[4everwarriors]

Unless they smoked by Harvard on Wednesday, hey?

[willie warrior]

I said I would wait until October 2018, but I had to post.  I have always been of the mindset that it takes 4 years, minimum, to judge a coach that has to rebuild a program.  Year 5 is typically the defining year.

Cards on the table . . . I am not hopeful. Kevin O'Neill walked into a worse situation than Wojo and had the team in the NCAA Tournament in year 4, and everyone knew year 5 was shaping-up to be something spectacular.  Of course, O'Neill's first recruiting class was a home run, his second was also exceptional.  With the exception of 2 or 3 players, everyone stayed and developed in the program.  I don't see the same consistency from recruiting class to recruiting class with Wojo.

Maybe Wojo hits it out of the park in the NIT.  Maybe the the underclassmen develop over the summer and next year's  recruits (and a point guard to be named later) approach Kentucky level of performance and the Warriors make a deep run in the 2019 Tournament.  It could happen.  I believe that.  But I am not sure I would take that bet?

What have we seen this year leads one to believe that Wojo would hit it out of the park in the NIT? Equally likely that Wojo takes a big dump in NIT.

[4everwarriors]

Kan't bee any wurst dan Crean vs Western Michigan, hey?

[GGGG]

Silly for a school that relies so heavily on basketball to just assume the program runs on auto-pilot and is self-propagating.

???  Are you talking about Marquette?  What leads you to believe this is their mindset?

[dgies9156]

We absolutely can be a top 15 team. I expect to be one in the next two years.

Brother TAMU, you better be accurate.

If a year from now we're having the same anger and disappointment we have now, Wojo's seat will be 1000 degrees Kelvin and his backside better be lined with asbestos insulation or his butt will be charcoal. There's no excuse at this point for not being an NCAA team next year, especially given what's coming in and our new "Warrior Center."

Heck, we should have been one this year but......

I know the Trustees love him and I know Coach Wojo is an honorable guy, but if we have another year like this one, the fan interest will nosedive and the revenue wane. Nothing gets a Jesuit's attention faster than waning revenue.