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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on November 08, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
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Was this from the survey they sent out? If so, this is one of three pricing structures shown. I believe this was the cheapest option shown in the survey.
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MU just sent out a survey that asked a few demographic questions .. how many years you've had tickets, what BC section do you currently sit in, etc.
Then it shows 3 different price tier options in an attempt to find how price-sensitive season ticket holders are. The prices they quote start high, go lower. Even the lowest shows a significant increase if you are trying to maintain your distance to the action. (See high/low attachments below.)
For example .. normally, I sit in the lower corner .. $620 per seat, $120 donation X 2 = 1,480 per year.
At the Chaluparena in an equivalent section, it'd be $1420 X 2 = $2820 (90% increase) in the highest price survey option, or $1020 X 2 = $2040 (38% increase) in the lowest survey option.
So .. if I wanted to spend roughly the same, I could demote myself to the end-zone, or upper deck.
WOW. Holy price increases, Batman.
Prediction: A new wave of non-renewals.
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I'm definitely going to be demoting myself to cheaper seats if these ticket prices are anything to go off of.
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Yup, just got this too. That's a not insignificant increase.
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Pretty sure I went from full-season to mini-plan ticket holder.
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Yeah, I think I just moved to the upper deck end zone.
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I'd give serious thought to dropping to just buy single games for game I want to see. Looking at games like Mt. St. Mary's as subsidizing games against UW/Nova/etc is okay up to a point... but at some price it's just not worth it...
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I imagine that everyone's seats will be much better since this is a basketball stadium rather than an a hockey stadium.
These prices seem pretty unreasonable though.
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Yeah, it's going to be real awkward when the upper bowl sells out faster than the lower bowl.
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Plus, this does not mention minimum donation levels.
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Plus, this does not mention minimum donation levels.
The text of the survey said that these were the prices *inclusive* of the donation... so I'm working off of the idea that its the out the door sticker price.
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Did anyone click on the "comparable prices" link? I didn't .. didn't really see the point.
"See, other places charge $55 to see South-West Louisiana Tech college play their team, why do you think you're special?"
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For reference sake, here is the current pricing map at the BC:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/genrel/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/MBBSeasonTixMap_1718.pdf
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It looks like a wash for me if I want to stay in the same spot (meaning center court, front of the upper deck).
On a side note, this is the first time I have ever been asked to specify my gender and been given seven choices.
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It appears that worst case my seats are going up 30%. That's not ideal but the Bradley Center sucks so I am willing to pay more to get the heck out of that place.
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On a side note, this is the first time I have ever been asked to specify my gender and been given seven choices.
And there was still the option of "not listed"
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That's not ideal but the Bradley Center sucks so I am willing to pay more to get the heck out of that place.
The Bradley Center sucks? When did that happen?
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The Bradley Center sucks? When did that happen?
When I sat in the last row of the MECCA two weeks ago and the seats were better than my lower level BMO BC seats.
I mean, it's built for hockey. Being in a basketball first arena is going to be spectacular.
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If these prices are the option they go with, I think they are pretty fair and comparable. My current seats in 217 cost me $720/seat. In the new arena, that would be commensurate with Section 109 at $760/seat. Moving to the "one-off-center" section of 108 would put me at $890. Less than $200 doesn't feel like an overwhelming increase to improve my section.
Now if we're talking about that first map...that's tough. Staying close to my current caliber of seats will cost me over $1,000 per seat. That's around a 50% hike.
We'll see how it shakes out, but to me, this map looked pretty good, and if everyone else wants to go to the upper level, all the better for me.
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I sure hope each seat comes with a free chalupa....
IMHO, we will be fine if we have a top-5 BE program, but if we have a few down years, the place could get pretty empty at those prices.
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I sure hope each seat comes with a free chalupa....
And THIS is why I've been advocating for the Silk Exotic Entertainment Center. Free halftime lap dances for everyone!
(Just watch yourself in mid-November when the Hunting Widow's Ball dancers come through)
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I sure hope each seat comes with a free chalupa....
IMHO, we will be fine if we have a top-5 BE program, but if we have a few down years, the place could get pretty empty at those prices.
That will never happen if MU passes out free chalupas with each seat (this is an ode to the NM thread)
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And THIS is why I've been advocating for the Silk Exotic Entertainment Center. Free halftime lap dances for everyone!
If that happened, Rick Pitino might become a MU season ticket holder....
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The other angle to consider is that under the new tax legislation, the 80% deduction would be gone on donations. MU may have to get creative to make up that gap.
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The other angle to consider is that under the new tax legislation, the 80% deduction would be gone on donations. MU may have to get creative to make up that gap.
My guess is Marquette would just need a bigger chunk of the seat prices, which would translate to prices on seats going up.
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My guess is Marquette would just need a bigger chunk of the seat prices, which would translate to prices on seats going up.
Or a PSL, which was floated in the survey as well.
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I mean...this is rough...yeah I get the seats will be better, and it was only a survey, but I'd have really liked to see what corner/endzone seats look like before I answered it honesty. I mean if they are decent, I'd be willing to downgrade I suppose, but there is ZERO chance I'd pay an increase at this level to get comparable seats. This is a HUGE increase, one I honestly wasn't expecting, and if there was no other options, I'd likely be out after 14 years...I mean every game is on TV now, and as much as I love being at the games, if the increase is this steep, I'm likely out, and it pains me to say that.
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Might become a non renewal. I'm not not sitting in row A in the 2nd deck. Judging by the amount of people who will be downgrading I might not get row a.
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Might become a non renewal. I'm not not sitting in row A in the 2nd deck. Judging by the amount of people who will be downgrading I might not get row a.
Well, that's being a bit unreasonable.
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If these prices are the option they go with, I think they are pretty fair and comparable. My current seats in 217 cost me $720/seat. In the new arena, that would be commensurate with Section 109 at $760/seat. Moving to the "one-off-center" section of 108 would put me at $890. Less than $200 doesn't feel like an overwhelming increase to improve my section.
Yeah .. I think the math is better as you go down the food chain, worse, up.
If you're used to a high-corner and maintain your seats, that's up $400 for two seats.
If you're used to a low-corner and maintain, you're going up $580.
Low row-Middle sections going up about $600 too (for two seats.)
Interestingly .. middle sections but top rows? Were $1320, now would be $1250.
I bet a ton of high-priority point people will move backwards from those prime seats to save $600 -- and heck, save $70 from their BC seats.
(All numbers using the lowest price chart.)
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Looking at the option in the OP, it seems like prices are up about 20%, with the obvious premium tiers in the lower bowl being a bit more.
For people saying this is too much, what did you expect? Were you hoping for the same prices? A 5-10% increase? I'm honestly curious how much people feel is an acceptable increase.
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Looking at the option in the OP, it seems like prices are up about 20%, with the obvious premium tiers in the lower bowl being a bit more.
For people saying this is too much, what did you expect? Were you hoping for the same prices? A 5-10% increase? I'm honestly curious how much people feel is an acceptable increase.
$100-150/seat.
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And there was still the option of "not listed"
Strange. I got the survey as well. I live in SD so I get a to one game every year or so. Most of the survey does not apply to my level of ticket buying. Yet, why would a survey of basketball fans need to ask if we are genderqueer? What does that have to do with where one sits, and donates to sit, in a large new arena? When I was in Milwaukee at the Bradley Center for the Creighton game all I saw was MU and Creighton fans. I can figure the SF Chronicle would ask that question in a survey, but MU?
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My concern has less to do with pricing and more with inventory. We’re currently in the upper corner seats that go for ~$300 a seat after fees. A $50-100 price increase is palatable, but with the smaller upper bowl size, there aren’t going to be as many seats at this price point. I worry that if enough STH’s in higher point brackets choose to downgrade, we may get squeezed out - and it’s a big jump to the next price level.
This becomes even more likely if they throw a young alumni section in one of the corners like it is now at the BC, further reducing inventory.
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$100-150/seat.
May I ask your current price point?
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It would seem to me that the point of the survey is to get a sense for how elastic demand is and relative to what section. MU will analyze the results carefully but the way to design that study is to get the data points far enough apart in the model such that one can do a meaningful regression. Of course the goal (in theory) is to maximize revenue and to properly distribute the various price points for reasonably comparable demand.
It's probably true that today's lower bowl is materially underpriced whereas the current upper corners are probably a bit overpriced (not that many tickets will be cheaper, mind you). If you think about it, MU is better off not having B & G points determine who gets the best seats as much as who is willing to shell out the incremental dollars. So nobody should be surprised that those with outstanding lower bowl seats will face a far more difficult decision going forward. Do I stay, do I go upstairs, do I go home?
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If you think about it, MU is better off not having B & G points determine who gets the best seats as much as who is willing to shell out the incremental dollars. So nobody should be surprised that those with outstanding lower bowl seats will face a far more difficult decision going forward. Do I stay, do I go upstairs, do I go home?
One positive that may come from the demise of mandatory donations is that there may no longer be annual/biannual reseating, but rather an “upgrade process” where you can keep your existing seats or move to open ones.
The questions about transferring ticket accounts and PSL’s lead me to believe that this is at least on the table.
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Looking at the option in the OP, it seems like prices are up about 20%, with the obvious premium tiers in the lower bowl being a bit more.
For people saying this is too much, what did you expect? Were you hoping for the same prices? A 5-10% increase? I'm honestly curious how much people feel is an acceptable increase.
Edited .. I got the maps mixed. Both are attached.
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Thanks for the chart.
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Most of the dollar increases are not wild. Have seen worse other places, even though the team is playing at the same dang building. Pony up, Warriors.
Did all the other guys taking the survey go with the "Male (nh)" gender option?
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May I ask your current price point?
$720
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Looking at the option in the OP, it seems like prices are up about 20%, with the obvious premium tiers in the lower bowl being a bit more.
For people saying this is too much, what did you expect? Were you hoping for the same prices? A 5-10% increase? I'm honestly curious how much people feel is an acceptable increase.
When the Bucks prices came out last year. Many on this board said heck no to the 65% increase in many areas.
The lower price map seems fair on Marquette site. Looks to be a 20% increase. The higher price map is very high for the upper deck seats.
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Uh .. not sure where you're getting your math. With the lowest price option in the survey, most sections are up 42ish% .. with some equivalent sections being bumped 98%.
Actual numbers attached .. for the *lowest* price survey option.
So .. your question is invalid, unless my math is wrong. I would have said up 20% would have been MU's target. 40-90%? NFW.
I just look at the maps to double check. Your pricing is the highest map, not the lowest. The upper deck in the lowest is $170, $330, $540 & $550.
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The Thunderdome is looking more economical every day.
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I just look at the maps to double check. Your pricing is the highest map, not the lowest. The upper deck in the lowest is $170, $330, $540 & $550.
Right you are .. I've fixed my post above, adding both maps.
Now that I see the map, I know why I'm ticked off. My section is the 42% increase section, which is the highest mover. So to get just a 24% increase, I need to move back.
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The Bradley Center sucks? When did that happen?
It happened when NHL hockey never came to Milwaukee and we were forced to watch basketball in a hockey arena for 30 years.
If you’ve ever seen basketball in a basketball arena, you would see the clear difference.
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Right you are .. I've fixed my post above, adding both maps.
Now that I see the map, I know why I'm ticked off. My section is the 42% increase section, which is the highest mover. So to get just a 24% increase, I need to move back.
It looks better, but the $275 BC seats are $330 in the new arena on the low map.
If you don't mind. What section are you in the Bradley Center?
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It happened when NHL hockey never came to Milwaukee and we were forced to watch basketball in a hockey arena for 30 years.
If you’ve ever seen basketball in a basketball arena, you would see the clear difference.
That's why the old MECCA, UWM Panther Arena is great for hoops and even hockey. Bradley Center was so wrong in so many ways.
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The other angle to consider is that under the new tax legislation, the 80% deduction would be gone on donations. MU may have to get creative to make up that gap.
U go to the games for a tax deduction? Sack up MU fans we are talkin a few thousand dollars here. The way most of the posters in this thread blather on about their love for MU hoops on this website u would think u would be willing to pay 10's of thousands of dollars. Quit being penny pinchin tight wad bitches!!
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I am surprised that no one has brought up that in the survey, they asked how you would feel about having a "Cameron Crazies" type arrangement where they reserve some of the primo seats for students.
I was a "Hell, no" on that one.
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I am surprised that no one has brought up that in the survey, they asked how you would feel about having a "Cameron Crazies" type arrangement where they reserve some of the primo seats for students.
I was a "Hell, no" on that one.
But then the first one to complain about the atmosphere?
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But then the first one to complain about the atmosphere?
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I am surprised that no one has brought up that in the survey, they asked how you would feel about having a "Cameron Crazies" type arrangement where they reserve some of the primo seats for students.
I was a "Hell, no" on that one.
Only reason I would support is to move them out of the upper bowl to free up inventory because i see a lot of people moving upstairs
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Only reason I would support is to move them out of the upper bowl to free up inventory because i see a lot of people moving upstairs
Except you are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue per game. They might raise the prices of the other seats to make up for it.
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Except you are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue per game. They might raise the prices of the other seats to make up for it.
Yep, plus “upstairs” is much smaller in the new arena.
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Except you are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue per game. They might raise the prices of the other seats to make up for it.
Based on some of the price models I'm not sure how many people are buying up those seats anyway.
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Yep, plus “upstairs” is much smaller in the new arena.
That's my point, we're upstairs now and aint no way I'm getting the go ahead to move downstairs and fork over a ton more cash especially when I can't pretend my son is under 2 next year and might have to get a 3rd seat
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And I'm just recalling. #noredforowen won't be free anymore. Eng family in financial crisis mode. Now we're going to have to pay for that podcast. Wait a minute! I thought I heard that one was promised before MSM. C'Mon Man!
(You literally beat me to the punch by 5 seconds!)
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Based on some of the price models I'm not sure how many people are buying up those seats anyway.
Even in the unlikely event that a few of those tickets would go unsold, I would rather have Marquette give them to VIPs or potential big donors than to some drunk freshmen.
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I would love to have students in the primo seats. Would do wonders for the atmosphere in the building. I understand the lost revenue angle but I honestly think it could translate into more wins and better recruiting....which could lead to making up the revenue. The NBA arena is a huge asset but it feels like mausoleum in there some nights.
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I would love to have students in the primo seats. Would do wonders for the atmosphere in the building. I understand the lost revenue angle but I honestly think it could translate into more wins and better recruiting....which could lead to making up the revenue. The NBA arena is a huge asset but it feels like mausoleum in there some nights.
So which people do you choose to kick out if their seats? The few folks I know personally who sit in those front row seats are six- and seven-figure donors to the university, and not just to the basketball program. Figure that cost in as well.
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I would love to have students in the primo seats. Would do wonders for the atmosphere in the building. I understand the lost revenue angle but I honestly think it could translate into more wins and better recruiting....which could lead to making up the revenue. The NBA arena is a huge asset but it feels like mausoleum in there some nights.
How much of that is an artifact of the BC itself and how much is the 300 rabid MU students not being front and center for the action?
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I am surprised that no one has brought up that in the survey, they asked how you would feel about having a "Cameron Crazies" type arrangement where they reserve some of the primo seats for students.
I was a "Hell, no" on that one.
Same here
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Same here
You had to use your ticket email address to access the survey, so they know how everyone answered on an individual basis.
The only answers that matter on the "Cameron Crazies" question are from the people that are sitting in those seats now.
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U go to the games for a tax deduction? Sack up MU fans we are talkin a few thousand dollars here. The way most of the posters in this thread blather on about their love for MU hoops on this website u would think u would be willing to pay 10's of thousands of dollars. Quit being penny pinchin tight wad bitches!!
I don't think the increases are that far out of line, just pointing out that the change in the law may force MU to change the pricing/donation structure.
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Well, that's being a bit unreasonable.
Is it really that unreasonable to pay more for a worse seat because the lower bowl people will move up due to costs?
I'll take my 4 true home games against Wisconsin nova Creighton and Xavier and be done with it at that case.
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$720
So based on the color coding comparisons by section, your seats would go from $720 to either $760 (upper rows) or $810 (mid-level). Seems pretty in-line with your expectations. That said, there are fewer of those sections than there are currently, but it would be the light blue on both maps.
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So which people do you choose to kick out if their seats? The few folks I know personally who sit in those front row seats are six- and seven-figure donors to the university, and not just to the basketball program. Figure that cost in as well.
Well at the moment I don't think anyone has any seats in the new arena, so I don't think "kick out" is the right terminology. I also don't think there are enough six or seven figure donors that are season ticket holders to fill up all the primo seats so I think there is room to go around. Put the students on the side the cameras face and keep the other side open for the mega-donors. If that means some donors get moved to the section right next to center court or back to the third row instead of the fourth row, I think that's fine. I would hope that something so trivial wouldn't keep a Marquette alum from donating.
I don't think it'll happen but I am glad they are asking.
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This survey is proof MU doesn't get its target audience. Honestly, it was a slap in the face. Put a winner on the floor, improve the game experience, and understand the $1000s of dollars we spend to just get to games before we enter the arena. Really, $24k for a club access for a $12 beer when Turners is across the street? Seat licenses for the crap we've had to watch the last five years? Infuriating...call me entitled but the Vesties are out to MMGA.
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For the last few years I have been thinking nonrenewal. Now at least one more season in what ever Corporate giants names the placereceivrs. Enron North?
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So based on the color coding comparisons by section, your seats would go from $720 to either $760 (upper rows) or $810 (mid-level). Seems pretty in-line with your expectations. That said, there are fewer of those sections than there are currently, but it would be the light blue on both maps.
Assuming the lowest price tier, correct.
We can all save the hand wringing for actual prices.
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I mean a lot of this comes down to what is the view from the actual seats?? Sure, it will be better, but for instance, behind the basket is still behind the basket. Plus as everyone says, at these prices, everyone that was sitting downstairs will now move upstairs, and that has a trickle down effect. I mean, if I lived close by where I could be home in 10-15 minutes after the game was over..that would factor in..but now you are talking paying more with the same long drive, the late nights getting home, and the key being...every game is on TV now, is it worth it?? As far as a better "in game" experience...all I need for a better in game experience is "W's". There haven't been enough of those(especially at home) lately. Nothing I hate more then driving that far, getting home late at night after an "L" at home. STOP LOSING at home, and I'd gladly pay their prices AND increase my donations.
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I mean a lot of this comes down to what is the view from the actual seats?? Sure, it will be better, but for instance, behind the basket is still behind the basket. Plus as everyone says, at these prices, everyone that was sitting downstairs will now move upstairs, and that has a trickle down effect. I mean, if I lived close by where I could be home in 10-15 minutes after the game was over..that would factor in..but now you are talking paying more with the same long drive, the late nights getting home, and the key being...every game is on TV now, is it worth it?? As far as a better "in game" experience...all I need for a better in game experience is "W's". There haven't been enough of those(especially at home) lately. Nothing I hate more then driving that far, getting home late at night after an "L" at home. STOP LOSING at home, and I'd gladly pay their prices AND increase my donations.
You're forgetting about cupholders.
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I mean a lot of this comes down to what is the view from the actual seats?? Sure, it will be better, but for instance, behind the basket is still behind the basket. Plus as everyone says, at these prices, everyone that was sitting downstairs will now move upstairs, and that has a trickle down effect. I mean, if I lived close by where I could be home in 10-15 minutes after the game was over..that would factor in..but now you are talking paying more with the same long drive, the late nights getting home, and the key being...every game is on TV now, is it worth it?? As far as a better "in game" experience...all I need for a better in game experience is "W's". There haven't been enough of those(especially at home) lately. Nothing I hate more then driving that far, getting home late at night after an "L" at home. STOP LOSING at home, and I'd gladly pay their prices AND increase my donations.
Everyone, hey?
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This survey is proof MU doesn't get its target audience. Honestly, it was a slap in the face. Put a winner on the floor, improve the game experience, and understand the $1000s of dollars we spend to just get to games before we enter the arena. Really, $24k for a club access for a $12 beer when Turners is across the street? Seat licenses for the crap we've had to watch the last five years? Infuriating...call me entitled but the Vesties are out to MMGA.
Keep in mind that Marquette was probably strong armed into raising ticket prices significantly by the Bucks. They're probably just testing the waters to see what they can charge and what they can't to make some money.
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Keep in mind that Marquette was probably strong armed into raising ticket prices significantly by the Bucks. They're probably just testing the waters to see what they can charge and what they can't to make some money.
That's exactly what they're doing. Look, you simply can't price your product such that your season ticket base goes from 11,000 down to 7,000 overnight. It's not just the lost revenue. It's the fact that those 4,000 folks then stop contributing time, talent and treasure to the university. And if you institute a 90% price increase that's the reaction you'll get. Marquette is simply studying the shape of the demand curve right now. And remember, they've faced declining numbers for several years.
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Well at the moment I don't think anyone has any seats in the new arena, so I don't think "kick out" is the right terminology.
I would hope that something so trivial wouldn't keep a Marquette alum from donating.
I don't think it'll happen but I am glad they are asking.
If a generous benefactor of the university is currently sitting in the the first few rows, and in the new arena, he gets moved back in favor of a bunch of boisterous, likely drunk students who force him to stand up for the entire game to see the action, I am sure he would consider it being "kicked out".
And I am certain Joe True (or anyone else in Advancement, for that matter) could tell you about plenty of instances where folks stopped donating (or threatened to stop donating) for far more trivial reasons than that.
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The biggest change seems to be extending the three sideline sections (navy blue). On the old map, those three and two purple sections made up the sidelines. The expansion of the navy sections leaves us with the same number of purple sections, though probably narrower and on an angle, but significantly fewer light blue and student sections. Light blue corners, where I am, go from 8 to 4 while the student sections go from 6 to 2 and lose the upper bowl as well.
My guess is the new tax code will impact this significantly. If it passes, we end up with PSLs, higher prices, and no write off.
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Oddly .. I don't believe I was asked a question about putting the students closer to the court. Maybe because I answered "none of the above" to the pricing questions.
That being said, maybe that sheds some light on the data oddity, whereby the low, center sections have a $300 increase (23%) .. while the same center sections, but high-row have a -5% decrease. -- Imagine you were in row 12 at the BC, and for $600 in savings you move your seats back 5 rows? I think a lot of sweater-vesters would take that option.
So now you've got a bunch of people moving back in those center sections, lessening the demand for center-low. Who fills that gap? Students could.
Of course, the people sitting behind the students would be furious if they stood the whole game. Hmm, furious isn't the right word. Apoplectic?
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Oddly .. I don't believe I was asked a question about putting the students closer to the court. Maybe because I answered "none of the above" to the pricing questions.
That being said, maybe that sheds some light on the data oddity, whereby the low, center sections have a $300 increase (23%) .. while the same center sections, but high-row have a -5% decrease. -- Imagine you were in row 12 at the BC, and for $600 in savings you move your seats back 5 rows? I think a lot of sweater-vesters would take that option.
So now you've got a bunch of people moving back in those center sections, lessening the demand for center-low. Who fills that gap? Students could.
Of course, the people sitting behind the students would be furious if they stood the whole game. Hmm, furious isn't the right word. Apoplectic?
For Cameron Indoor, isn't the stadium layout designed for students court side? The "second level" for the season ticket holders is elevated so they don't have to stand, but still close enough to be good seats.
Is that how it is at Breslin for Michigan State? Or is an entire side of midcourt just dedicated to students?
As a student, I was all for the premium seating, but was a touch biased. Now, especially after some tough years and lower attendance, I get why those seats shouldn't go to students. I worry about a random Tuesday game where that's empty and just looks awful.
Did the student section get smaller on these layouts? That's too bad if the case. Even if the attendance hasn't been great, I did enjoy the ease of getting tickets at Marquette compared to a big state school.
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Keep in mind that Marquette was probably strong armed into raising ticket prices significantly by the Bucks. They're probably just testing the waters to see what they can charge and what they can't to make some money.
I totally get that and obviously I was being a bit sarcastic but my point stands: The way this was put out really just shows how they misjudge their fan base in terms of what they are looking for and are willing to pay for MUBB.
Left unsaid so far in this thread is that any of these potential funding initiatives really ramp up the pressure on the coach and athletics department. If you ask a long time ticket holder now on a fixed income to fork over $10k for PSLs and $2500 yearly for his seats, you damn well better be prepared to win every day. The Vesties are going to raise a ruckus.
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Did the student section get smaller on these layouts? That's too bad if the case. Even if the attendance hasn't been great, I did enjoy the ease of getting tickets at Marquette compared to a big state school.
It did and it should. In the BC there are 4000 student tickets which represents 50% of the undergrad student population, that's insane. Limit the student section to 1000 students, increase demand and enthusiasm, create a preference program where you get benefits or better seats the more often they use their tickets, etc. Keeping the student section numbers low also increases available inventory for people who pay market value meaning more revenue.
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I totally get that and obviously I was being a bit sarcastic but my point stands: The way this was put out really just shows how they misjudge their fan base in terms of what they are looking for and are willing to pay for MUBB.
Left unsaid so far in this thread is that any of these potential funding initiatives really ramp up the pressure on the coach and athletics department. If you ask a long time ticket holder now on a fixed income to fork over $10k for PSLs and $2500 yearly for his seats, you damn well better be prepared to win every day. The Vesties are going to raise a ruckus.
It is interesting times for MU because they are being squeezed on both sides now. For years, because Herb Kohl was meh on the whole making money off MU thing, MU got away with very reasonable pricing for season tickets. Those days are gone so now they have very tough sledding on the cost side plus they have a double whammy on the revenue side of a fan base use to affordable seats and being unwilling to fork over money for a middling product.
Winning cures all, but MU better be really really sure they are going to win big over the next couple of years or some of this pricing strategies could be disastrous.
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I totally get that and obviously I was being a bit sarcastic but my point stands: The way this was put out really just shows how they misjudge their fan base in terms of what they are looking for and are willing to pay for MUBB.
Left unsaid so far in this thread is that any of these potential funding initiatives really ramp up the pressure on the coach and athletics department. If you ask a long time ticket holder now on a fixed income to fork over $10k for PSLs and $2500 yearly for his seats, you damn well better be prepared to win every day. The Vesties are going to raise a ruckus.
You make an excellent point. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. MU has one shot to get this right. Take too big an apple bite, especially with 5th place basketball, and shoot fundraising in the foot for a decade just when Mike wants to start a major campaign. And it's not just Athletics. Many of us have particular passions at MU that would be hampered if we were unceremoniously 'kicked out' of Chaluparena.
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I'm still sort of amazed that financing for this thing was able to be approved without the terms of the building second biggest tenant being hashed out
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I wonder if Bill Scholl is reading this thread right now?
Hi Bill, see you tomorrow. ;D
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I'm still sort of amazed that financing for this thing was able to be approved without the terms of the building second biggest tenant being hashed out
Why, state doesn't care as long as Bucks stay....they don't care about MU
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It is interesting times for MU because they are being squeezed on both sides now. For years, because Herb Kohl was meh on the whole making money off MU thing, MU got away with very reasonable pricing for season tickets. Those days are gone so now they have very tough sledding on the cost side plus they have a double whammy on the revenue side of a fan base use to affordable seats and being unwilling to fork over money for a middling product.
Winning cures all, but MU better be really really sure they are going to win big over the next couple of years or some of this pricing strategies could be disastrous.
Marquette should try to sell it in a way that makes it clear that MU tickets have been very affordable (true or not) for a long time. And to keep up with the pricing structures that other universities are accustomed to and to accommodate for the new pricing in the brand new state of the art arena prices will need to increase. State that it will be a gradual increase over the next 5 years instead of a 30% increase next year.
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For Cameron Indoor, isn't the stadium layout designed for students court side? The "second level" for the season ticket holders is elevated so they don't have to stand, but still close enough to be good seats.
Is that how it is at Breslin for Michigan State? Or is an entire side of midcourt just dedicated to students?
The problem is that the arena won't be designed with students in mind but rather the Bucks. This is why an on campus arena for most games would be ideal (see Villanova). I can't see the Bucks creating elevation for our 16-18 games when their concern is the 41+ they play where the elevation would be of no benefit.
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It did and it should. In the BC there are 4000 student tickets which represents 50% of the undergrad student population, that's insane. Limit the student section to 1000 students, increase demand and enthusiasm, create a preference program where you get benefits or better seats the more often they use their tickets, etc. Keeping the student section numbers low also increases available inventory for people who pay market value meaning more revenue.
I know that the program has changed and the early 80s are forever ago, but I hated that I could only get tickets to half the season. I was able to get into some of the other half as the Color Guard and then find some others from friends but still watched or listened to a few too many home games. I am a STH so I guess it worked from the univeristy's perspective but it felt wrong at the time and would hate to see current students have the same fate.
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You guys do understand that there's a huge segment of MKE that still bitches that parking downtown has hit $10? They need to be damn careful.
This ain't Chicago, LA or New York and last time I checked LeBron or Steph aren't on the team.
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I still wonder if it would make any sense, financially, to only rent the new arena for 3/4 of the games, and play the winter break-Savannah State games at the AL. In short, reduce expenditures by 25% and only lose 10-15% revenue.
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Marquette should try to sell it in a way that makes it clear that MU tickets have been very affordable (true or not) for a long time. And to keep up with the pricing structures that other universities are accustomed to and to accommodate for the new pricing in the brand new state of the art arena prices will need to increase. State that it will be a gradual increase over the next 5 years instead of a 30% increase next year.
This, MU needs to ease into the pricing increases....I have no doubt that pricing needs to go up, but don't do it all at once.
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I know that the program has changed and the early 80s are forever ago, but I hated that I could only get tickets to half the season. I was able to get into some of the other half as the Color Guard and then find some others from friends but still watched or listened to a few too many home games. I am a STH so I guess it worked from the univeristy's perspective but it felt wrong at the time and would hate to see current students have the same fate.
What was the ratio of students to tickets in the early 80s? Additionally, demand was way up because we were only 4 or 5 years removed from an NC....I'd love to have students with that problem soon!!! :)
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The problem is that the arena won't be designed with students in mind but rather the Bucks. This is why an on campus arena for most games would be ideal (see Villanova). I can't see the Bucks creating elevation for our 16-18 games when their concern is the 41+ they play where the elevation would be of no benefit.
Definitely. Just wondering if there's any places that have students on the side without having any sort of elevation change and the typical arena layout. Or if they just give students that side to eliminate the issue of season ticket holders having to stand.
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You guys do understand that there's a huge segment of MKE that still bitches that parking downtown has hit $10? They need to be damn careful.
This ain't Chicago, LA or New York and last time I checked LeBron or Steph aren't on the team.
No, but one of the biggest stars in the NBA plays here.
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No, but one of the biggest stars in the NBA plays here.
But not for MU who is potentially asking for a 30-45% increase in ticket pricing to play in an arena to watch a team that doesn't have a Giannis or Lebron on it.
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It did and it should. In the BC there are 4000 student tickets which represents 50% of the undergrad student population, that's insane. Limit the student section to 1000 students, increase demand and enthusiasm, create a preference program where you get benefits or better seats the more often they use their tickets, etc. Keeping the student section numbers low also increases available inventory for people who pay market value meaning more revenue.
We disagree brother. At 4000 (50% of undergrads) you still only utilize 21% of the current building capacity that fills exactly one time a year. At 1000 that's down to 6% of the new building using rough numbers. You basically said 'students aren't welcome'.
The reason for split plans back in my day was that every game had exactly 11,052 fans in their seats. I think, but don't recall specifically, that the student allotment was maybe 1500, fully 13% of a jam packed building where every single seat could have been an alum STH. For every student you sold a ticket to, one alum couldn't get one. So we 'doubled' that by going to 1/2 packages rather than camping out. Now what MU is probably doing is seeing how many student season tickets they sell (let's say 3,000) and capping it at that.
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Put me in the camp that believes someone from COBA convinced the AD to allow his/her class to use this an opportunity to do a price tolerance study.
The fact that i) different people are seeing different options based on their initial responses and ii) comps that really aren't comps screams academia to me. AD isn't sophisticated enough (or willing to spend the money to hire people sophisticated enough) to conduct such a study. Not to mention, no professional consultant is going to take the time/effort to cast a net wider than the actual or very likely target market... the fact that out-of-state alums are seeing this survey means there are several different exercises going on here.
In other words, you're all being duped if you think this is actually real.
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We disagree brother. At 4000 (50% or undergrads) you still only utilize 21% of the current building capacity that fills exactly one time a year. At 1,000 that's down to 6% of the new building using rough numbers. You basically said 'students aren't welcome'. The reason for split plans back in my day was that every game had exactly 11,052 fans in their seats. Now what MU is probably doing is seeing how many student season tickets they sell (let's say 3,000) and capping it at that.
Here's the question, how many times a year are all 4000 student tickets used(or something close), how many times are they at 3000 for a game? I get the calculation of % of total seats available to students, so maybe the number isn't 1000 but there absolutely should be a lower number of student tickets sold because the students aren't filling the seats anyway. Maybe the number is 2000 or 2500 but the student section capacity needs to be significantly lower.
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Put me in the camp that believes someone from COBA convinced the AD to allow his/her class to use this an opportunity to do a price tolerance study.
The fact that i) different people are seeing different options based on their initial responses and ii) comps that really aren't comps screams academia to me. AD isn't sophisticated enough (or willing to spend the money to hire people sophisticated enough) to conduct such a study. Not to mention, no professional consultant is going to take the time/effort to cast a net wider than the actual or very likely target market... the fact that out-of-state alums are seeing this survey means there are several different exercises going on here.
In other words, you're all being duped if you think this is actually real.
Biggest tell, they have 7 gender options to select from.
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Here's the question, how many times a year are all 4000 student tickets used(or something close), how many times are they at 3000 for a game? I get the calculation of % of total seats available to students, so maybe the number isn't 1000 but there absolutely should be a lower number of student tickets sold because the students aren't filling the seats anyway. Maybe the number is 2000 or 2500 but the student section capacity needs to be significantly lower.
I think that having a bit of an undersupply of student tickets will increase the perceived value of being a student ticketholder, and in the long run, it will increase student attendance.
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I think 2,500 to 3,000 student seats would be fine. I definitely think trimming it should be an option as you rarely see the rafters filled outside of the truly marquee games. That will help to open up more in the upper decks, where quantity is being reduced.
The real problem is that the designers are banking on people in the lower corners both being able to afford and wanting to move to the sideline sections. Not sure how that play will work out. It wouldn't surprise me if when the actual prices come out, the sections that are sideline but off center (105, 107, 116, 118) end up at a different price point than the actual center sideline sections.
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Here's the question, how many times a year are all 4000 student tickets used(or something close), how many times are they at 3000 for a game? I get the calculation of % of total seats available to students, so maybe the number isn't 1000 but there absolutely should be a lower number of student tickets sold because the students aren't filling the seats anyway. Maybe the number is 2000 or 2500 but the student section capacity needs to be significantly lower.
Okay, but it's not like the arena is capacity constrained. You can get a ticket for tomorrow's game for probably $5. But I get your point. There's no need to allocate a 4000 block for the students in a ugggee student section. Bringing #nored tomorrow?
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Biggest tell, they have 7 gender options to select from.
I know! Chick was telling me. WTF?
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I totally get that and obviously I was being a bit sarcastic but my point stands: The way this was put out really just shows how they misjudge their fan base in terms of what they are looking for and are willing to pay for MUBB.
Left unsaid so far in this thread is that any of these potential funding initiatives really ramp up the pressure on the coach and athletics department. If you ask a long time ticket holder now on a fixed income to fork over $10k for PSLs and $2500 yearly for his seats, you damn well better be prepared to win every day. The Vesties are going to raise a ruckus.
Gotta be honest, Doc. I don't understand your concept here. They are misjudging it, how?
.. If there are PSLs .. and they are north of $500, the loudest thing inside the Chaluparena will be crickets. Or bats.
Well, the bats will be eating the crickets, so, yeah, just the bats.
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Biggest tell, they have 7 gender options to select from.
+tax
In Texas you would have two, in California probably 12, so we're trying to take the middle road.
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+tax
In Texas you would have two, in California probably 12, so we're trying to take the middle road.
Now admittedly, one was 'prefer not to answer'. Chick was telling me of a category where you decided each day based on your mood. What floor on McCormick are they supposed to be? :o
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Gotta be honest, Doc. I don't understand your concept here. They are misjudging it, how?
.. If there are PSLs .. and they are north of $500, the loudest thing inside the Chaluparena will be crickets. Or bats.
Well, the bats will be eating the crickets, so, yeah, just the bats.
Yep. But I'm going to give Mike the benefit of the doubt here. He's a damn smart engineer used to analyzing models and he's lived in MKE long enough to understand the culture. Summerfest still costs $15 for a reason and every day still has a 'bring a can of food' special. I'll be shocked if they eff this up. It's just a demand study and look how many pages we've gone!
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Here's the question, how many times a year are all 4000 student tickets used(or something close), how many times are they at 3000 for a game? I get the calculation of % of total seats available to students, so maybe the number isn't 1000 but there absolutely should be a lower number of student tickets sold because the students aren't filling the seats anyway. Maybe the number is 2000 or 2500 but the student section capacity needs to be significantly lower.
Really? We can't sell out a game in years and you want to limit student tickets? That seems utterly stupid. Until the demand gets to the point where students are taking seats that could otherwise be sold as season tix, leave it alone.
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Now admittedly, one was 'prefer not to answer'. Chick was telling me of a category where you decided each day based on your mood. What floor on McCormick are they supposed to be? :o
Looks like I didn't do a good job of explaining "genderqueer" to glow. But let's not turn this thread into a discussion of political correctness.
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Really? We can't sell out a game in years and you want to limit student tickets? That seems utterly stupid. Until the demand gets to the point where students are taking seats that could otherwise be sold as season tix, leave it alone.
It's not punative, it's simply scarcity drives demand. Student tickets are oversaturated and as such their value is low. Increased scarcity drives increased demand. Couple that with a rewards program for attendance and you know what you have.....a full student section nearly every game especially as the team regains national prominence.
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Looks like I didn't do a good job of explaining "genderqueer" to glow. But let's not turn this thread into a discussion of political correctness.
A term I had never heard before yesterday. Ignorance is bliss. Agreed, I don't want a discussion and frankly don't care how someone identifies.
I waiting to hear if I get to play with Owen and guard the Ladies Room door. Oddly, this might be related! ;D
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Okay, but it's not like the arena is capacity constrained. You can get a ticket for tomorrow's game for probably $5. But I get your point. There's no need to allocate a 4000 block for the students in a ugggee student section. Bringing #nored tomorrow?
I guess I look at it as the university doesn't have a problem in selling student tickets(even though a lot go unused) they have a problem selling general tickets. If they can reduce student tickets, give that capacity to a lower entry point for standard STH types thats a win/win/win. At the end of the day, it isn't about how full the stadium is per se but how much revenue they can make....more STH more revenue(if priced correctly) regardless of whether those STH show up or not.
Nope, the Badger fan is staying home with him tomorrow night. If it was a 7PM start, different story, but 8PM starts are too late to push it with him especially since we have a lot of stuff this weekend and I gone all next week for work.
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I guess I look at it as the university doesn't have a problem in selling student tickets(even though a lot go unused) they have a problem selling general tickets. If they can reduce student tickets, give that capacity to a lower entry point for standard STH types thats a win/win/win. At the end of the day, it isn't about how full the stadium is per se but how much revenue they can make....more STH more revenue(if priced correctly) regardless of whether those STH show up or not.
Nope, the Badger fan is staying home with him tomorrow night. If it was a 7PM start, different story, but 8PM starts are too late to push it with him especially since we have a lot of stuff this weekend and I gone all next week for work.
Gotta be tough in your house talking football. See you tomorrow Phil.
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A term I had never heard before yesterday. Ignorance is bliss. Agreed, I don't want a discussion and frankly don't care how someone identifies.
I waiting to hear if I get to play with Owen and guard the Ladies Room door. Oddly, this might be related! ;D
I just don't get why there was a choice between "Female" and "Trans Female" and "Male" and "Trans Male" Based on my very limited familiarity with this, a non-insignificant percentage of trans people would be offended that Marquette would make the distinction.
And are they going to make data analyses based on the answers of trans women and trans men as groups? I am just not seeing Bill Scholl saying, "Well, everyone seems cool with the PSL concept except for the trans females, so we need to take that into consideration".
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I guess I look at it as the university doesn't have a problem in selling student tickets(even though a lot go unused) they have a problem selling general tickets. If they can reduce student tickets, give that capacity to a lower entry point for standard STH types thats a win/win/win. At the end of the day, it isn't about how full the stadium is per se but how much revenue they can make....more STH more revenue(if priced correctly) regardless of whether those STH show up or not.
Nope, the Badger fan is staying home with him tomorrow night. If it was a 7PM start, different story, but 8PM starts are too late to push it with him especially since we have a lot of stuff this weekend and I gone all next week for work.
What about a 'recent alumni' section? I know that the first years out of school are usually a bit of a struggle financially, and having some reasonable seating prices for new grads might be a great idea. Remove one of the student sections near the top and make it available for people who are 1 or 2 years removed from graduation. Find a price point in the middle of student tickets and other tickets. Not only would this keep more butts in the seats, but it would bridge the gap for a lot of fans that aren't able to afford typical season tickets until they are financially established.
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I just don't get why there was a choice between "Female" and "Trans Female" and "Male" and "Trans Male" Based on my very limited familiarity with this, a non-insignificant percentage of trans people would be offended that Marquette would make the distinction.
And are they going to make data analyses based on the answers of trans women and trans men as groups? I am just not seeing Bill Scholl saying, "Well, everyone seems cool with the PSL concept except for the trans females, so we need to take that into consideration".
All data gathered is valuable.
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What about a 'recent alumni' section? I know that the first years out of school are usually a bit of a struggle financially, and having some reasonable seating prices for new grads might be a great idea. Remove one of the student sections near the top and make it available for people who are 1 or 2 years removed from graduation. Find a price point in the middle of student tickets and other tickets. Not only would this keep more butts in the seats, but it would bridge the gap for a lot of fans that aren't able to afford typical season tickets until they are financially established.
It's been quite successful for MU so I fully expect it to be in the final model somehow.
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What about a 'recent alumni' section? I know that the first years out of school are usually a bit of a struggle financially, and having some reasonable seating prices for new grads might be a great idea. Remove one of the student sections near the top and make it available for people who are 1 or 2 years removed from graduation. Find a price point in the middle of student tickets and other tickets. Not only would this keep more butts in the seats, but it would bridge the gap for a lot of fans that aren't able to afford typical season tickets until they are financially established.
Yep, this is the type of thing I was talking about. I think this is what the Coors Light section at the BC is intended to be
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Anyone know the story in 204 or 226? What’s with the limited rows?
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Anyone know the story in 206 or 226? What’s with the limited ties?
Not sure, but I think the numbering is wrong. Should be 204 and 226, if you count around the outside.
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Right—I can’t read. Thx
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I just don't get why there was a choice between "Female" and "Trans Female" and "Male" and "Trans Male" Based on my very limited familiarity with this, a non-insignificant percentage of trans people would be offended that Marquette would make the distinction.
And are they going to make data analyses based on the answers of trans women and trans men as groups? I am just not seeing Bill Scholl saying, "Well, everyone seems cool with the PSL concept except for the trans females, so we need to take that into consideration".
I'd be more interested in knowing if anyone marked the trans female, or trans male boxes. What % of that group makes up MU season ticket holders. :D
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Gotta be honest, Doc. I don't understand your concept here. They are misjudging it, how?
.. If there are PSLs .. and they are north of $500, the loudest thing inside the Chaluparena will be crickets. Or bats.
Well, the bats will be eating the crickets, so, yeah, just the bats.
This survey, honestly the first communication to fans on the new arena pricing, was purely about prices and donations. No questions about the benefits or reasons fans value attending to put a price value to it. They don’t understand at all the reasoning behind their fans’ motivations.
Now understand, Chico’s put these Vesties in their seats with the priority points plan under Tommy. That is essentially getting blown up. Now, someone can jump ahead of them with a PSL, a corporation can gobble up their seats or by Wojo’s moving the low priced student section in front of them. Not crickets but pitchforks.
Me? I have different motivations, very different than the Vestie Fraternity of the Milwaukee Mafia. It is a chance to see different family, friends or associates live for a game versus relying on social media. Hoops is taken as a religion but so is socializing. I spend about $5000 going to road games and drive the 180 miles to attend almost all home games. Then, there are the meals and hotels for times I stay in MKE. Well over $10k. Fanatical, yes.
Everyone else has other unique reasons. Some are family time, some are reunion based, some are hoops only. Some are serious, some are occasional fans.
So yes, this survey again shows they don’t understand their brand or their consumers as the only lens they applied was their own.
They are in for a shyt storm and we are paying in part for them screwing the pooch on the practice facility and arena negotiations. When you make the discussion only about revenue, you just amped the heat up on yourselves.
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I'd be more interested in knowing if anyone marked the trans female, or trans male boxes. What % of that group makes up MU season ticket holders. :D
Despite Hard's contention that all data is valuable, I promise there will be way more effort expended trying to figure out the identity of the people who marked the less traditional boxes (for grins and gossip purposes)then analyzing their particular responses. And making folks enter their email addresses and asking for their name and address at the end should make it pretty darn easy.
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They are in for a shyt storm and we are paying in part for them screwing the pooch on the practice facility and arena negotiations. When you make the discussion only about revenue, you just amped the heat up on yourselves.
Yes on the practice facility, but I think they did alright with the negotiations.
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I think limiting the student tickets to 1000 is a horrible idea. Sorry I don't have time to whip up a powerpoint presentation but here goes:
1. MU rarely sells out the way it is so lost revenue is a straw man argument.
2. Ease of access is important, especially since most MU students don't grow up MU fans. Their isn't the built in state school or blueblood advantage. Get students to the games and build that fandom.
3. Build that fandom for four years, let them make memories that make MUBB a special part of their life, and hope to convert them into the sweater vests of tomorrow.
4. 1000's tickets to a bad product is still a bad product. Winning, not scarcity, is what drives attendance. Consistently make the tourney, regularly be in the top 25, make Sweet 16's and the occasional deep run. Do that and filling the student section takes care of itself.
5. Restricting access to student tickets creates an expensive secondary market. Students who want to go to games but lose out would be forced to pony up extra cash. At Wisconsin, students with no interest in sports try to win the MBB ticket lottery with the sole purpose of reselling the tickets. My BIL did just that when he was a student and my Badger alum friends have similar stories of people doing this. The Win Every Day app would provide MU students another affordable option but this doesn't guarantee tickets, especially to the best games.
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Yes on the practice facility, but I think they did alright with the negotiations.
They screwed up the front end when they gave up their leverage in any ownership options versus waiting to negotiate on the back end after the state and city had ceded all control to the Bucks. Say what you will about the DePaul arena deal but DU is in a stronger longer term position.
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They screwed up the front end when they gave up their leverage in any ownership options versus waiting to negotiate on the back end after the state and city had ceded all control to the Bucks. Say what you will about the DePaul arena deal but DU is in a stronger longer term position.
Agree, wholeheartedly.
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Colors light corner First time STH this year chiming in:
Sheesh. The seats I was hoping to be in next year are a 100% increase.
However in the same area as coors light this year it looks like an only $20 rise, but you're in the end zone instead of the corner.
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Anyone know the story in 204 or 226? What’s with the limited rows?
Panorama Club Bowl View
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Colors light corner First time STH this year chiming in:
Sheesh. The seats I was hoping to be in next year are a 100% increase.
However in the same area as coors light this year it looks like an only $20 rise, but you're in the end zone instead of the corner.
Regarding the student section / coors light corner, I would support a hybrid between what we have now and a Cameron Crazies scenario.
Maybe have two student sections on each end that wrap around the corners, then put a few seats of discounted "recent alumni" seats next to and behind that section to insulate the older alumni from those student animals. Front row prime between the free throw lines on both sides is saved for bigwigs and whatnot.
Added bonus; maybe the students could get some nice back and forth going between the end zones.
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I just don't get why there was a choice between "Female" and "Trans Female" and "Male" and "Trans Male" Based on my very limited familiarity with this, a non-insignificant percentage of trans people would be offended that Marquette would make the distinction.
And are they going to make data analyses based on the answers of trans women and trans men as groups? I am just not seeing Bill Scholl saying, "Well, everyone seems cool with the PSL concept except for the trans females, so we need to take that into consideration".
It's more about making people feel included. You are right that few would be "offended" that their identity wasn't included as an option, but almost 100% of them would appreciate seeing it included as an option.
When I joined my current church there was one thing that struck me the first time I attended service. Rather than saying "please stand" during the various pieces where people stand the lectors said "please stand if you are comfortable doing so." I have a lot of friends and family that due to age, health, and ability are unable to easily stand or even stand at all. I'm sure none of them were offended that people were asking them to stand during service, but having someone acknowledge that not everyone has the ability to stand was a nice hospitable gesture.
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I know! Chick was telling me. WTF?
20 year olds doing the studies. I've seen worse from psych studies I need to review from lower classes.
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I'm sure someone has said it, but the nosebleeds here will be significantly better than the BC.
I'm not worried about remaining a cheap season ticket holder.
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I'm sure someone has said it, but the nosebleeds here will be significantly better than the BC.
I'm not worried about remaining a cheap season ticket holder.
I heard about 11 rows in the upper deck and you enter from the top.
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Regarding the student section / coors light corner, I would support a hybrid between what we have now and a Cameron Crazies scenario.
Maybe have two student sections on each end that wrap around the corners, then put a few seats of discounted "recent alumni" seats next to and behind that section to insulate the older alumni from those student animals. Front row prime between the free throw lines on both sides is saved for bigwigs and whatnot.
Added bonus; maybe the students could get some nice back and forth going between the end zones.
Oooh I like this. Someone should send this to MU. Make it two sections in the end zone on both sides in the lower bowl. That would be good for the students. So they are on both sides.
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Biggest tell, they have 7 gender options to select from.
No kidding? I couldn't open it up on my phone, so I didn't bother getting all the way through, but if you're serious, then I'm doubling down...
This whole survey is an academic exercise. None of your responses is going to factor one bit into the pricing at the new arena. On the other hand, putting in some garbage answers might fook up a grad student's thesis.
Hawthorne says someone isn't too happy with me right now.
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No kidding? I couldn't open it up on my phone, so I didn't bother getting all the way through, but if you're serious, then I'm doubling down...
This whole survey is an academic exercise. None of your responses is going to factor one bit into the pricing at the new arena. On the other hand, putting in some garbage answers might fook up a grad student's thesis.
Hawthorne says someone isn't too happy with me right now.
Not kidding
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Not kidding
Okay Eng, you're much younger than me so maybe your generation can help. I get the first 5 (now that I see it in print; not being flippant as I was before), and 7 is self explanatory.
But seriously, what the Sam Hill is #6? There's no Other! Blended, sure. Transitioned, sure. But PURPLE or DOG isn't an option. I'm getting too old.
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Okay Eng, you're much younger than me so maybe your generation can help. I get the first 5 (now that I see it in print; not being flippant as I was before), and 7 is self explanatory.
But seriously, what the Sam Hill is #6? There's no Other! Blended, sure. Transitioned, sure. But PURPLE or DOG isn't an option. I'm getting too old.
Other would include Two-Spirit, Agender, and Third Gender
I also believe there are multiple forms of non-binary like Pangender
I've read what they are suppose to be but that doesn't mean I can articulate or explain it.
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Other would include Two-Spirit, Agender, and Third Gender
I also believe there are multiple forms of non-binary like Pangender
I've read what they are suppose to be but that doesn't mean I can articulate or explain it.
At first I actually thought you were pulling my leg. Then I googled it.
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At first I actually thought you were pulling my leg. Then I googled it.
When I first saw the extended LGBT thing. I said outloud was what the unnatural carnal knowledgeing crap is the two
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When I first saw the extended LGBT thing. I said outloud was what the unnatural carnal knowledgeing crap is the two
I just did more research and I entirely 'get' that some small minority of folks have both masculine and feminine features and that it's a real challenge for them as they go through life. Hence I completely understand and respect category #5.
But I just learned that essentially all of the 'gender identities' that Eng mentioned have their own unique Pride flag. I understand now.
I sincerely feel for TAMU. Which leads to a question. How is that all handled under Title IX? Forget I said that.......
Now, back to these ridiculous ticket prices! ;D
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The Athletic Department is a bunch of pikers. Facebook has 71 genders, including:
Asexual
Female to male trans man
Female to male transgender man
Female to male transsexual man
F2M
Gender neutral
Hermaphrodite
Intersex man
Intersex person
Intersex woman
Male to female trans woman
Male to female transgender woman
Male to female transsexual woman
Man
M2F
Polygender
T* man
T* woman
Two* person
Two-spirit person
Woman
Agender
Androgyne
Androgynes
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans Female
Trans Male
Trans Man
Trans Person
Trans*Female
Trans*Male
Trans*Man
Trans*Person
Trans*Woman
Transexual
Transexual Female
Transexual Male
Transexual Man
Transexual Person
Transexual Woman
Transgender Female
Transgender Person
Transmasculine
Two-spirit
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The Athletic Department is a bunch of pikers. Facebook has 71 genders, including:
A lot of those are the same thing. For example: Man, Male, Cis Man, Cis Male, Cisgender Male, and Cisgender Man are all the same thing. Just different ways of abbreviating it.
I'm also not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that asexual is not a gender, it's a sexual orientation. Facebook needs to step their woke game up
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The Athletic Department is a bunch of pikers. Facebook has 71 genders, including:
Asexual
Female to male trans man
Female to male transgender man
Female to male transsexual man
F2M
Gender neutral
Hermaphrodite
Intersex man
Intersex person
Intersex woman
Male to female trans woman
Male to female transgender woman
Male to female transsexual woman
Man
M2F
Polygender
T* man
T* woman
Two* person
Two-spirit person
Woman
Agender
Androgyne
Androgynes
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans Female
Trans Male
Trans Man
Trans Person
Trans*Female
Trans*Male
Trans*Man
Trans*Person
Trans*Woman
Transexual
Transexual Female
Transexual Male
Transexual Man
Transexual Person
Transexual Woman
Transgender Female
Transgender Person
Transmasculine
Two-spirit
You're sleeping on the couch tonight!
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Not kidding
I'm on board with the theory that this is a (somewhat sloppy) academic initiative. If they actually paid someone to conduct this survey, it sure as hell should be cleaner. For example, if you're going to give seven gender options, you don't conflate male/female (sex) with man/woman (gender).
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Lame attempt at reverse psychology?