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Title: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: wadesworld on April 12, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
Paging Big Daddy...
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: LloydsLegs on April 13, 2017, 07:30:09 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.

lol
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: warriorchick on April 13, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.

Wojo winked and said "Free throws matta" as he handed the award to Rowsey.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 13, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041217aab.html

Quote2016-17 Award Winners

Outstanding Band Member Award: Madison Fant
Hank Raymonds Sportsmanship Award: Matt Heldt
Father William Kelly Team Morale Award: Sam Hauser
Dwyane Wade Legacy of Leadership Award: Cam Marotta
Top Scholar-Athlete Award: Luke Fischer
Iron Eagle Award: Sam Hauser
True Blue Award: Markus Howard
Best Field Goal Percentage Award: Luke Fischer
Best Free Throw percentage Award: Andrew Rowsey
Best Rebounding Average Award: Luke Fischer
Most Assists Award: Jajuan Johnson
Most Improved Player Award: Andrew Rowsey
Best Defensive Player Award: Haanif Cheatham
Most Valuable Player Award: 2016-17 Team
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: swoopem on April 13, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
MVP was the entire team?

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Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Nukem2 on April 13, 2017, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
Actually not.  Wojo went through the roster at length detailing the contributions.  I concur with the choice for this season.  The affair was rather lengthy and Wojo was the most animated I've seen him in public speaking and he spoke quite a bit last night. Had a good line in saying that the team had a lot of offense and, with a smile,  said "just enough defense".. That got a good chuckle from the crowd.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 13, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 13, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak

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Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 13, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 13, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 13, 2017, 09:44:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 13, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: T-Bone on April 13, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
Father William Kelly Team Morale Award should have been Deon.  He was almost always the most animated on the bench.

Madison Fant only hit the easy notes.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 13, 2017, 10:14:07 AM
I saw DW in one of the pictures - I wish they gave him an award for the year.  He was a big part of the spirit of the team.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 13, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.

Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: wadesworld on April 13, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 13, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.

The tallest midget.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 10:24:49 AM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 13, 2017, 10:16:10 AM
Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.

Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits

#BasicallyBenched
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Bocephys on April 13, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 10:24:49 AM
Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits

#BasicallyBenched

Arbitrary endpoints help your cause there since the 36 minute game is the first in that series.  10, 11, 13, 3, 15, 7 is how he closed out the season.

Not benched, but diminished role.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: LAMUfan on April 13, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 13, 2017, 09:44:40 AM
Sand knit it's over. I know you loved her. But she said yes. She's going to marry Luke. You have to let it go.
This a proper theory
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: CTWarrior on April 13, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 13, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
MVP was the entire team?

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I don't like that either, but on reflection, I have no idea who the MVP was this year.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: tower912 on April 13, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
Ordinarily, I would agree that it is weak to not name a team MVP.    Not this past season.     Any choice you make will be rebutted.     Markus.... but what about the slow start and no-shows in conference?       Jjj..... how do you have as an MVP somebody who gets a DNP-CD in a huge game MU wins?   Sam....but what about the games where he scored little to none?     Luke..... but Mr. Sand-knit is a jackass and it just isn't worth the trouble.      Rowsey..... how many games was he a non-factor?    Matt.... seriously?    Haanif.... glued to the bench at the end.     Katin.... too erratic.     Duane.... too many games when he was a non-factor.

At the end of the day, there was not a single player who could be relied on every game.    There was not a single player who made his teammates better.   There was not a single player head and shoulders above his teammate.   
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 13, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
Ordinarily, I would agree that it is weak to not name a team MVP.    Not this past season.     Any choice you make will be rebutted.     Markus.... but what about the slow start and no-shows in conference?       Jjj..... how do you have as an MVP somebody who gets a DNP-CD in a huge game MU wins?   Sam....but what about the games where he scored little to none?     Luke..... but Mr. Sand-knit is a jackass and it just isn't worth the trouble.      Rowsey..... how many games was he a non-factor?    Matt.... seriously?    Haanif.... glued to the bench at the end.     Katin.... too erratic.     Duane.... too many games when he was a non-factor.

At the end of the day, there was not a single player who could be relied on every game.    There was not a single player who made his teammates better.   There was not a single player head and shoulders above his teammate.

I agree with your breakdown -- but there is no law requiring an MVP award at the banquet.  Maybe just not do that one this year.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Osiris on April 13, 2017, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Bocephys on April 13, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
Arbitrary endpoints help your cause there since the 36 minute game is the first in that series.  10, 11, 13, 3, 15, 7 is how he closed out the season.

Not benched, but diminished role.

Diminished?  Yes.  Without good cause?  No.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: warriorchick on April 13, 2017, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 13, 2017, 10:14:07 AM
I saw DW in one of the pictures - I wish they gave him an award for the year.  He was a big part of the spirit of the team.

At least they let him attend.  Steve Taylor was a no-show the year that he transferred, they left his name off of the program, and his name was never mentioned.  IIRC, it hadn't even been announced that he was leaving yet.  It was very strange.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: barfolomew on April 13, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 13, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Time_youcover01.jpg)

I had forgotten about this.
Signature and resume have both been updated.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 13, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 10:24:49 AM
Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits

#BasicallyBenched

Nice cherry-picking but...

First 26 games: 29.0 mpg, high of 45 min, low of 21

Last 6 games: 9.8 mpg, high of 15 min, low of 3

When a players' minutes drop by two-thirds, I'd consider that basically benched.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: ATWizJr on April 13, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
participation award
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 13, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: barfolomew on April 13, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
I had forgotten about this.
Signature and resume have both been updated.
Love it. LinkedIn profile will be updated accordingly
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 13, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Nice cherry-picking but...

First 26 games: 29.0 mpg, high of 45 min, low of 21

Last 6 games: 9.8 mpg, high of 15 min, low of 3

When a players' minutes drop by two-thirds, I'd consider that basically benched.

Cherry picking? That's you. "Late in the season" and using less than the last third is reasonable.

"In the last six games, his PT was significantly reduced" is fine. "Basically benched late in the season" is a LIE.

#BasicallyBenched
#DoneDeal
#BadInfo
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Badgerhater on April 13, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 13, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
Love it. LinkedIn profile will be updated accordingly

Those of us in the military are two-time recipients.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: LloydsLegs on April 13, 2017, 01:51:54 PM
Look to the tab at your left for SOTG Standings.  Scoop (or at least the Mods) agrees with Wojo.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 13, 2017, 01:59:55 PM
Woo one MDA, aka most deflections award, hey?
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Herman Cain on April 13, 2017, 04:22:32 PM
This tidbit was posted on a rival message board
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15514556-jj-calls-himself-a-knucklehead-and-appreciated-his-suspension
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: tower912 on April 13, 2017, 05:32:55 PM
Very mature of Jajuan.  And the issues he references is why I can't vote him MVP.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 13, 2017, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 13, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: The Lens on April 14, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
I thought Katin's speech on how avoiding Juco's and focusing on kids who come to MU for academics was the best part of the night. 
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: macman320 on April 14, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Nukem2 on April 14, 2017, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: macman320 on April 14, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
Just old news.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Newsdreams on April 14, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: macman320 on April 14, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
Yep very old news
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: real chili 83 on April 15, 2017, 07:33:50 AM
Quote from: Newsdrms on April 14, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Yep very old news

Very, very old news
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 20, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2017, 01:01:13 PM
Cherry picking? That's you. "Late in the season" and using less than the last third is reasonable.

"In the last six games, his PT was significantly reduced" is fine. "Basically benched late in the season" is a LIE.

#BasicallyBenched
#DoneDeal
#BadInfo

Speaking of old news...

You're arguing semantics.

You consider "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games. That's fine. Your assertion that I should have considered "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games is ridiculous.

Haanif's Second Half PT in the final 6 games...
St J: 0 min
PC: 6 min
X: 3 min
Creighton: 0 min
SHU: 5 min
SC: 1 min

In the second half of the final six games of the season, Haanif did not even get off the bench twice and played just 1:15 in the NCAAT game in order to get JJJ an ovation. To me, when a player goes from starting 25 of 26 games and playing nearly 30 minutes/night to averaging under 10 min off the bench and plays sparingly, if at all, after halftime, I consider that basically benched. We define things differently. It's like if I said it was chilly outside and you called me a liar because you believe it's brisk.

#Semantics
#SixOfOne
#HalfDozenOfAnother
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 20, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
Speaking of old news...

You're arguing semantics.

You consider "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games. That's fine. Your assertion that I should have considered "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games is ridiculous.

Haanif's Second Half PT in the final 6 games...
St J: 0 min
PC: 6 min
X: 3 min
Creighton: 0 min
SHU: 5 min
SC: 1 min

In the second half of the final six games of the season, Haanif did not even get off the bench twice and played just 1:15 in the NCAAT game in order to get JJJ an ovation. To me, when a player goes from starting 25 of 26 games and playing nearly 30 minutes/night to averaging under 10 min off the bench and plays sparingly, if at all, after halftime, I consider that basically benched. We define things differently. It's like if I said it was chilly outside and you called me a liar because you believe it's brisk.

#Semantics
#SixOfOne
#HalfDozenOfAnother

I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.

When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2017, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.

Never said it was a slump. Never said he would bounce back. Said he was overvalued after his freshman year and is undervalued as of right now. The difference in minutes between his freshman year isn't about his performance. Its about the availability of better options to replace him. Haanif got less minutes but was more efficient in those minutes in everything other than shooting.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: BM1090 on April 20, 2017, 03:53:51 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.

When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.

Cheatham's advanced numbers were very similar to what they were his freshman year. The only thing that changed was that we had better players in front of him.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.

When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.

Based on your views, How do You think his chances of returning close to his first year numbers, percentage wise 10%?  5%?  Thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: SVL4 on April 20, 2017, 04:11:44 PM
Where you see the dramatic cut in minutes is essentially where Wojo gave up on this team ever being respectable on defense and decided that the best path to winning would be to outscore opponents.  Unfortunately for Hannif, his talents as an individual defender weren't going to help the team since there were so many other defensive weaknesses to exploit.  There are a lot of ways for Hannif to become a contributor again.  Although, if we do not see any dramatic defensive improvement, he is going to have to become a much better offensive player and cut out the turnovers.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on April 20, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: SVL4 on April 20, 2017, 04:11:44 PM
Where you see the dramatic cut in minutes is essentially where Wojo gave up on this team ever being respectable on defense and decided that the best path to winning would be to outscore opponents.  Unfortunately for Hannif, his talents as an individual defender weren't going to help the team since there were so many other defensive weaknesses to exploit.  There are a lot of ways for Hannif to become a contributor again.  Although, if we do not see any dramatic defensive improvement, he is going to have to become a much better offensive player and cut out the turnovers.

+1 Hanni needs to develop his right hand and pull up jumper.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on April 20, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
+1 Hanni needs to develop his right hand and pull up jumper.

...and be able to get above the rim when we drives for the basket.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 20, 2017, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Lens on April 14, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
I thought Katin's speech on how avoiding Juco's and focusing on kids who come to MU for academics was the best part of the night.

If he really said that, I am really happy Katin is not involved in recruiting.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Herman Cain on April 20, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.

When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
I am in the camp that says Haanif will have a positive turnaround in his performance his junior season. He is a very good kid and will put the hard work in to improve the areas he had trouble in. He as much said so in one of his own tweets.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Based on your views, How do You think his chances of returning close to his first year numbers, percentage wise 10%?  5%?  Thanks for sharing.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Haanif's important numbers (efg%, Orat, etc.) were all that good as a freshman - and as a freshman, he had both Luke and Henry walling off driving lanes for him. He's a mediocre 3 point shooter on a team with a lot of good to great ones. He has no mid range games, doesn't possess great quickness, is all left hand and finishes below the rim. Chance that he'll ever be an average Big East starting perimeter offensive player? I'd say slim.

On the "non skill" stuff, he fares better. He works/tries exceptionally hard on both ends, will be our only decent returning perimeter defender and he runs the court well.

I don't know what niche he'll carve out for himself. Anything from a bench player/occasional defensive sub to a starter who mostly defers on offense is possible.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 20, 2017, 10:00:04 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on April 20, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
I am in the camp that says Haanif will have a positive turnaround in his performance his junior season. He is a very good kid and will put the hard work in to improve the areas he had trouble in. He as much said so in one of his own tweets.

Agree.  He has the work ethic and can get to the hoop.  Work on the shot (especially the midrange), and he can be a solid contributor.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 21, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2017, 09:04:30 PM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Haanif's important numbers (efg%, Orat, etc.) were all that good as a freshman - and as a freshman, he had both Luke and Henry walling off driving lanes for him. He's a mediocre 3 point shooter on a team with a lot of good to great ones. He has no mid range games, doesn't possess great quickness, is all left hand and finishes below the rim. Chance that he'll ever be an average Big East starting perimeter offensive player? I'd say slim.

On the "non skill" stuff, he fares better. He works/tries exceptionally hard on both ends, will be our only decent returning perimeter defender and he runs the court well.

I don't know what niche he'll carve out for himself. Anything from a bench player/occasional defensive sub to a starter who mostly defers on offense is possible.

Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: bilsu on April 21, 2017, 07:03:52 AM
He is not as good as Sam and Markus, but he is a pretty good three point shooter. My complaint about him in the past was that he would pass up open threes and drive to the basket. I somewhat thought that  he always drove, because that is what Wojo wanted him to do.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: brewcity77 on April 21, 2017, 10:06:09 AM
In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.

Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: nyg on April 21, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 21, 2017, 10:06:09 AM
In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.

Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.

Even with Cheatham on the roster, you will still see a lot of Rowsey, Anim and Elliott at the two.  If Wojo gets a grad transfer #2, then count it as over recruiting the young fella. Cheatham digressed to just a poor level of play and he will be fighting an uphill battle.  But, I hope he improves because he has the required height at his position, especially for defensive purposes.  His previous tweet regarding his off season efforts has some belief he knows his problem and can work it out. 
Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 21, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: nyg on April 21, 2017, 02:32:30 PM
Even with Cheatham on the roster, you will still see a lot of Rowsey, Anim and Elliott at the two.  If Wojo gets a grad transfer #2, then count it as over recruiting the young fella. Cheatham digressed to just a poor level of play and he will be fighting an uphill battle.  But, I hope he improves because he has the required height at his position, especially for defensive purposes.  His previous tweet regarding his off season efforts has some belief he knows his problem and can work it out.

I wouldn't expect for Elliott to see the floor a whole lot next season.

Also, positions (i.e. 1s, 2s, etc) mean less and less in today's game. Teams basically have perimeter players and bigs.

Title: Re: Anything Scoop worthy to report from the Banquet?
Post by: The Lens on April 22, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 21, 2017, 10:06:09 AM
In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.

Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.

When Traci Carter was on the roster the ball was handed to Haanif.  Do you really think the chosen one will ever red shirt?  Dude has 9 lives and not one will be spent on a 5th year. 
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