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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on April 12, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
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Paging Big Daddy...
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I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.
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I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.
lol
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I got a text that showed a "best free throw percentage" award... hopefully my buddy photoshopped it or we've got some serious education to provide.
Wojo winked and said "Free throws matta" as he handed the award to Rowsey.
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http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041217aab.html
2016-17 Award Winners
Outstanding Band Member Award: Madison Fant
Hank Raymonds Sportsmanship Award: Matt Heldt
Father William Kelly Team Morale Award: Sam Hauser
Dwyane Wade Legacy of Leadership Award: Cam Marotta
Top Scholar-Athlete Award: Luke Fischer
Iron Eagle Award: Sam Hauser
True Blue Award: Markus Howard
Best Field Goal Percentage Award: Luke Fischer
Best Free Throw percentage Award: Andrew Rowsey
Best Rebounding Average Award: Luke Fischer
Most Assists Award: Jajuan Johnson
Most Improved Player Award: Andrew Rowsey
Best Defensive Player Award: Haanif Cheatham
Most Valuable Player Award: 2016-17 Team
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Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
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MVP was the entire team?
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Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
Actually not. Wojo went through the roster at length detailing the contributions. I concur with the choice for this season. The affair was rather lengthy and Wojo was the most animated I've seen him in public speaking and he spoke quite a bit last night. Had a good line in saying that the team had a lot of offense and, with a smile, said "just enough defense".. That got a good chuckle from the crowd.
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Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
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Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Time_youcover01.jpg)
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Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
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Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
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Father William Kelly Team Morale Award should have been Deon. He was almost always the most animated on the bench.
Madison Fant only hit the easy notes.
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I saw DW in one of the pictures - I wish they gave him an award for the year. He was a big part of the spirit of the team.
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Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.
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Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.
The tallest midget.
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Interesting that Haanif won the Best Defensive Player Award since he was basically benched late in the season in favor of more offense.
Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits
#BasicallyBenched
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Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits
#BasicallyBenched
Arbitrary endpoints help your cause there since the 36 minute game is the first in that series. 10, 11, 13, 3, 15, 7 is how he closed out the season.
Not benched, but diminished role.
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Sand knit it's over. I know you loved her. But she said yes. She's going to marry Luke. You have to let it go.
This a proper theory
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MVP was the entire team?
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I don't like that either, but on reflection, I have no idea who the MVP was this year.
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Ordinarily, I would agree that it is weak to not name a team MVP. Not this past season. Any choice you make will be rebutted. Markus.... but what about the slow start and no-shows in conference? Jjj..... how do you have as an MVP somebody who gets a DNP-CD in a huge game MU wins? Sam....but what about the games where he scored little to none? Luke..... but Mr. Sand-knit is a jackass and it just isn't worth the trouble. Rowsey..... how many games was he a non-factor? Matt.... seriously? Haanif.... glued to the bench at the end. Katin.... too erratic. Duane.... too many games when he was a non-factor.
At the end of the day, there was not a single player who could be relied on every game. There was not a single player who made his teammates better. There was not a single player head and shoulders above his teammate.
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Ordinarily, I would agree that it is weak to not name a team MVP. Not this past season. Any choice you make will be rebutted. Markus.... but what about the slow start and no-shows in conference? Jjj..... how do you have as an MVP somebody who gets a DNP-CD in a huge game MU wins? Sam....but what about the games where he scored little to none? Luke..... but Mr. Sand-knit is a jackass and it just isn't worth the trouble. Rowsey..... how many games was he a non-factor? Matt.... seriously? Haanif.... glued to the bench at the end. Katin.... too erratic. Duane.... too many games when he was a non-factor.
At the end of the day, there was not a single player who could be relied on every game. There was not a single player who made his teammates better. There was not a single player head and shoulders above his teammate.
I agree with your breakdown -- but there is no law requiring an MVP award at the banquet. Maybe just not do that one this year.
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Arbitrary endpoints help your cause there since the 36 minute game is the first in that series. 10, 11, 13, 3, 15, 7 is how he closed out the season.
Not benched, but diminished role.
Diminished? Yes. Without good cause? No.
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I saw DW in one of the pictures - I wish they gave him an award for the year. He was a big part of the spirit of the team.
At least they let him attend. Steve Taylor was a no-show the year that he transferred, they left his name off of the program, and his name was never mentioned. IIRC, it hadn't even been announced that he was leaving yet. It was very strange.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Time_youcover01.jpg)
I had forgotten about this.
Signature and resume have both been updated.
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Last 10 games: avg 16.4 mpg, high of 36, only 2 under double-digits
#BasicallyBenched
Nice cherry-picking but...
First 26 games: 29.0 mpg, high of 45 min, low of 21
Last 6 games: 9.8 mpg, high of 15 min, low of 3
When a players' minutes drop by two-thirds, I'd consider that basically benched.
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Giving the entire team the MVP award? That's so weak
participation award
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I had forgotten about this.
Signature and resume have both been updated.
Love it. LinkedIn profile will be updated accordingly
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Nice cherry-picking but...
First 26 games: 29.0 mpg, high of 45 min, low of 21
Last 6 games: 9.8 mpg, high of 15 min, low of 3
When a players' minutes drop by two-thirds, I'd consider that basically benched.
Cherry picking? That's you. "Late in the season" and using less than the last third is reasonable.
"In the last six games, his PT was significantly reduced" is fine. "Basically benched late in the season" is a LIE.
#BasicallyBenched
#DoneDeal
#BadInfo
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Love it. LinkedIn profile will be updated accordingly
Those of us in the military are two-time recipients.
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Look to the tab at your left for SOTG Standings. Scoop (or at least the Mods) agrees with Wojo.
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Woo one MDA, aka most deflections award, hey?
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This tidbit was posted on a rival message board
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15514556-jj-calls-himself-a-knucklehead-and-appreciated-his-suspension
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Very mature of Jajuan. And the issues he references is why I can't vote him MVP.
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Suprised the table of scoopers didnt protest and argue why Luke really doesnt suck and why he was deserving of MVP
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I thought Katin's speech on how avoiding Juco's and focusing on kids who come to MU for academics was the best part of the night.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
Just old news.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned frowling on crutches, was it because that was old news by banquet time?
Yep very old news
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Yep very old news
Very, very old news
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Cherry picking? That's you. "Late in the season" and using less than the last third is reasonable.
"In the last six games, his PT was significantly reduced" is fine. "Basically benched late in the season" is a LIE.
#BasicallyBenched
#DoneDeal
#BadInfo
Speaking of old news...
You're arguing semantics.
You consider "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games. That's fine. Your assertion that I should have considered "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games is ridiculous.
Haanif's Second Half PT in the final 6 games...
St J: 0 min
PC: 6 min
X: 3 min
Creighton: 0 min
SHU: 5 min
SC: 1 min
In the second half of the final six games of the season, Haanif did not even get off the bench twice and played just 1:15 in the NCAAT game in order to get JJJ an ovation. To me, when a player goes from starting 25 of 26 games and playing nearly 30 minutes/night to averaging under 10 min off the bench and plays sparingly, if at all, after halftime, I consider that basically benched. We define things differently. It's like if I said it was chilly outside and you called me a liar because you believe it's brisk.
#Semantics
#SixOfOne
#HalfDozenOfAnother
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Speaking of old news...
You're arguing semantics.
You consider "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games. That's fine. Your assertion that I should have considered "late in the season" to be more than the final 6 games is ridiculous.
Haanif's Second Half PT in the final 6 games...
St J: 0 min
PC: 6 min
X: 3 min
Creighton: 0 min
SHU: 5 min
SC: 1 min
In the second half of the final six games of the season, Haanif did not even get off the bench twice and played just 1:15 in the NCAAT game in order to get JJJ an ovation. To me, when a player goes from starting 25 of 26 games and playing nearly 30 minutes/night to averaging under 10 min off the bench and plays sparingly, if at all, after halftime, I consider that basically benched. We define things differently. It's like if I said it was chilly outside and you called me a liar because you believe it's brisk.
#Semantics
#SixOfOne
#HalfDozenOfAnother
I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.
When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
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When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
Never said it was a slump. Never said he would bounce back. Said he was overvalued after his freshman year and is undervalued as of right now. The difference in minutes between his freshman year isn't about his performance. Its about the availability of better options to replace him. Haanif got less minutes but was more efficient in those minutes in everything other than shooting.
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I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.
When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
Cheatham's advanced numbers were very similar to what they were his freshman year. The only thing that changed was that we had better players in front of him.
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I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.
When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
Based on your views, How do You think his chances of returning close to his first year numbers, percentage wise 10%? 5%? Thanks for sharing.
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Where you see the dramatic cut in minutes is essentially where Wojo gave up on this team ever being respectable on defense and decided that the best path to winning would be to outscore opponents. Unfortunately for Hannif, his talents as an individual defender weren't going to help the team since there were so many other defensive weaknesses to exploit. There are a lot of ways for Hannif to become a contributor again. Although, if we do not see any dramatic defensive improvement, he is going to have to become a much better offensive player and cut out the turnovers.
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Where you see the dramatic cut in minutes is essentially where Wojo gave up on this team ever being respectable on defense and decided that the best path to winning would be to outscore opponents. Unfortunately for Hannif, his talents as an individual defender weren't going to help the team since there were so many other defensive weaknesses to exploit. There are a lot of ways for Hannif to become a contributor again. Although, if we do not see any dramatic defensive improvement, he is going to have to become a much better offensive player and cut out the turnovers.
+1 Hanni needs to develop his right hand and pull up jumper.
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+1 Hanni needs to develop his right hand and pull up jumper.
...and be able to get above the rim when we drives for the basket.
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I thought Katin's speech on how avoiding Juco's and focusing on kids who come to MU for academics was the best part of the night.
If he really said that, I am really happy Katin is not involved in recruiting.
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I don't care about your semantical tiff with JayBee but when I see those numbers it reinforces the sad fact that Cheatham "progressed" from almost irreplaceable (playing the most minutes of anyone) early on to a guy only being used in emergencies at the end. First to last among players on scholarship - if not unprecedented, nearly so.
When I see TAMU (and others) assume Cheatham went through nothing but a "slump" that Haanif will certainly bounce back from I envy their faith but seriously question their judgement.
I am in the camp that says Haanif will have a positive turnaround in his performance his junior season. He is a very good kid and will put the hard work in to improve the areas he had trouble in. He as much said so in one of his own tweets.
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Based on your views, How do You think his chances of returning close to his first year numbers, percentage wise 10%? 5%? Thanks for sharing.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Haanif's important numbers (efg%, Orat, etc.) were all that good as a freshman - and as a freshman, he had both Luke and Henry walling off driving lanes for him. He's a mediocre 3 point shooter on a team with a lot of good to great ones. He has no mid range games, doesn't possess great quickness, is all left hand and finishes below the rim. Chance that he'll ever be an average Big East starting perimeter offensive player? I'd say slim.
On the "non skill" stuff, he fares better. He works/tries exceptionally hard on both ends, will be our only decent returning perimeter defender and he runs the court well.
I don't know what niche he'll carve out for himself. Anything from a bench player/occasional defensive sub to a starter who mostly defers on offense is possible.
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I am in the camp that says Haanif will have a positive turnaround in his performance his junior season. He is a very good kid and will put the hard work in to improve the areas he had trouble in. He as much said so in one of his own tweets.
Agree. He has the work ethic and can get to the hoop. Work on the shot (especially the midrange), and he can be a solid contributor.
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Haanif's important numbers (efg%, Orat, etc.) were all that good as a freshman - and as a freshman, he had both Luke and Henry walling off driving lanes for him. He's a mediocre 3 point shooter on a team with a lot of good to great ones. He has no mid range games, doesn't possess great quickness, is all left hand and finishes below the rim. Chance that he'll ever be an average Big East starting perimeter offensive player? I'd say slim.
On the "non skill" stuff, he fares better. He works/tries exceptionally hard on both ends, will be our only decent returning perimeter defender and he runs the court well.
I don't know what niche he'll carve out for himself. Anything from a bench player/occasional defensive sub to a starter who mostly defers on offense is possible.
Thanks for your input.
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He is not as good as Sam and Markus, but he is a pretty good three point shooter. My complaint about him in the past was that he would pass up open threes and drive to the basket. I somewhat thought that he always drove, because that is what Wojo wanted him to do.
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In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.
Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.
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In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.
Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.
Even with Cheatham on the roster, you will still see a lot of Rowsey, Anim and Elliott at the two. If Wojo gets a grad transfer #2, then count it as over recruiting the young fella. Cheatham digressed to just a poor level of play and he will be fighting an uphill battle. But, I hope he improves because he has the required height at his position, especially for defensive purposes. His previous tweet regarding his off season efforts has some belief he knows his problem and can work it out.
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Even with Cheatham on the roster, you will still see a lot of Rowsey, Anim and Elliott at the two. If Wojo gets a grad transfer #2, then count it as over recruiting the young fella. Cheatham digressed to just a poor level of play and he will be fighting an uphill battle. But, I hope he improves because he has the required height at his position, especially for defensive purposes. His previous tweet regarding his off season efforts has some belief he knows his problem and can work it out.
I wouldn't expect for Elliott to see the floor a whole lot next season.
Also, positions (i.e. 1s, 2s, etc) mean less and less in today's game. Teams basically have perimeter players and bigs.
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In a perfect world, I would love to see Cheatham redshirt next year. I would say there's a 98% chance it won't happen, but him dedicating a full year to driving with his right and developing a pull up jumper could really help him. Maybe he can get it in an offseason, but I'm doubtful.
Of course, that would mean a lot of Rowsey, Anim, and Elliott at the two, maybe even Cain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely a lot of unknowns in that mix.
When Traci Carter was on the roster the ball was handed to Haanif. Do you really think the chosen one will ever red shirt? Dude has 9 lives and not one will be spent on a 5th year.