Poll
Question:
Who are you rooting for now.
Option 1: UNC
votes: 10
Option 2: USC
votes: 45
Option 3: Oregon
votes: 13
Option 4: Gonzaga
votes: 92
Gotta go with the Jesuits. Go Zags.
Winner of the Ducks/Heels game.
More importantly, watt kolar scheme will UO rock, hey?
Had UNC over Zags in my brackets. For personal reasons, I'd like that outcome. If UNC loses, I will cheer for the Zags.
South Carolina then Gonzaga.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 26, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
More importantly, watt kolar scheme will UO rock, hey?
Lower seed, so I'll go with the green and yellows.
Zags cause they are a Jesuit school, then USC, Baylor, UNC. I am really hating on bluebloods lately. Thinking about it now Baylor can suck it too, cheating rapists
Quote from: manny31 on March 26, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Zags cause they are a Jesuit school, then USC, Baylor, UNC. I am really hating on bluebloods lately. Thinking about it now Baylor can suck it too, cheating rapists
Quote from: manny31 on March 26, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Zags cause they are a Jesuit school, then USC, Baylor, UNC. I am really hating on bluebloods lately. Thinking about it now Baylor can suck it too, cheating rapists
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Someone should tell him...
I'm starting to wonder if he thinks these guys are still in too.
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Gonzaga!
a small private school, that doesn't have a football program, wins two years in a row. can you think of anything better?
Quote from: naginiF on March 26, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
Gonzaga!
a small private school, that doesn't have a football program, wins two years in a row. can you think of anything better?
Marquette being that team. (And technically Nova has football, just FCS. Brian Westbrook probably their most famous pro.)
Tarheels baby! Always been my #2 behind MU.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Someone should tell him...
LOL!
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 26, 2017, 07:39:24 PM
I'm starting to wonder if he thinks these guys are still in too.
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LOL!
Quote from: naginiF on March 26, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
Gonzaga!
a small private school, that doesn't have a football program, wins two years in a row. can you think of anything better?
Go Jesuits//Catholics
Won't be with the Ducks
How soon we have forgotten the sliminess that went on there 3/4 years ago
(Know what is coming, some of u are privy to similar sliminess at MU of which I remain blissfully ignorant of most details. It happens elsewhere, including at MU, does absolutely nothing for me. So let's not go there)
Gotta be Gonzaga not because they're small and catholic or Jesuit but because when Buzz left that guy at CBS published a story how he had done the math and decided it was almost impossible for a small private school to get to the final four or win a championship. If two small private schools won back to back it'd be a great F you to his "analysis"
Quote from: dajudge on March 26, 2017, 08:03:17 PM
Go Jesuits//Catholics
Won't be with the Ducks
How soon we have forgotten the sliminess that went on there 3/4 years ago
(Know what is coming, some of u are privy to similar sliminess at MU of which I remain blissfully ignorant of most details. It happens elsewhere, including at MU, does absolutely nothing for me. So let's not go there)
I'm going to bring up something. But don't talk about it. Because this thing I brought up doesn't interest me.
Gonzaga > UNC > South Carolina > Oregon
Big East West. Picked them in my brackets.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 26, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
Marquette being that team. (And technically Nova has football, just FCS. Brian Westbrook probably their most famous pro.)
Agree but given this years final 4, Gonzaga is that team. I'd rather have South Carolina over UNC (systemic academic fraud still un addressed by either NCAA or ACC, plus ESPN bj post championship) or Oregon (so much booster $'s if they don't win we're left asking "how are they different than Okla St.?"). But South Carolina is still in the SEC and I'm a non SEC fan for a host of reasons.
also - Nova is a basketball first university. they have an FCS team but they would not be in the BEast if they made athletic decisions based on anything other than basketball
Would like to see the Cocks and The Heels in the final game. With Cocks winning it all.
Duck da Cocks, ai na?
Gonzaga winning would also make it 3 of the last 4 years that a non-football 5 team won the national championship.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 26, 2017, 08:06:26 PM
Gotta be Gonzaga not because they're small and catholic or Jesuit but because when Buzz left that guy at CBS published a story how he had done the math and decided it was almost impossible for a small private school to get to the final four or win a championship. If two small private schools won back to back it'd be a great F you to his "analysis"
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 26, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
I'm going to bring up something. But don't talk about it. Because this thing I brought up doesn't interest me.
I brought up what happened at oregon
I asked that we not bring up the he did it too defense which is different and has never and will never interest me
But have at it if it interests you
For reasons I have clearly explained I won't be joining
Anybody but UNC.
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Mike McCurry @Mike_McCurry16 2h2 hours ago
The Final Four has consisted of at least one out of UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas in each of the last 30 seasons.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 26, 2017, 08:45:28 PM
Anybody but UNC.
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Yep.
I'd prefer USC > Zags > Ducks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNC
I prefer SC because I have enjoyed watching them the last three games but Zags would be cool, too.
So whoever wins that game.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 26, 2017, 08:55:55 PM
Mike McCurry @Mike_McCurry16 2h2 hours ago
The Final Four has consisted of at least one out of UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas in each of the last 30 seasons.
IU fans IRATE!
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
I prefer SC because I have enjoyed watching them the last three games but Zags would be cool, too.
So whoever wins that game.
+1
But Zags over SC:
1) They are Jesuit
2) They may be in the BE someday
Though the SC team has grown on me. And it's nice to be able to say "well Wojo's first tourney was a one-and-done, but hey, he lost to the champs."
I'm rooting for Oregon over UNC:
1) IIRC, Oregon's AD is an MU guy
2)
Somebody has to punish UNC for their shenanigans
Six of the last nine NCAA championship games have now included a Big East or ACC remnant (mid major to the Elites). This includes four national championships. If the Zags get there as a mid, seven out of ten or five out of ten NCs if all the way.
For the money spent on football, one would expect better. The BIG hasn't won since 2000, the PAC since 1997.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
For the money spent on football, one would expect better. The BIG hasn't won since 2000, the PAC since 1997.
To them, hoops no matta.
For those alleging unaddressed academic fraud at UNC, do a little homework. There have been no less than four independent investigations all of which have found no involvement by the athletic department and the supposed "fraud" was simply some easier classes open to anyone and not predominantly filled with athletes. It goes much deeper than that but that is the cliff notes version.
When Jay Bilas, an attorney and a Duke grad, comes to UNC's defense and goes after the NCAA for it you have to believe that it's been a witch hunt. Read some of his comments online.
With a Pulitzer prize in his dreams, a reporter at the Raleigh News and Observer ( NC State grad) fueled by misinformation given by overzealous NC State fans and a few people with agendas has been trying to discredit UNC. The real irony is that NC State athletes have at least two required classes that are ONLY for athletes that are guaranteed As. The hatred and vitriol spewed by NC State fans for UNC is unlike anything I've ever seen. Grew up in Ohio and know the "hatred" that's part of OSU vs UM rivalry well and it's tame and downright civilized by comparison.
The NCAA is honestly now looking for a way to save face because UNC is not taking this whole charade lying down and has hired a BIG time law firm to address this. The case was essentially over until the new head of the committee on infractions, Greg Sankey, who incidentally is the current commissioner of the SEC (no agenda here huh?) , decided to ignore previous findings with no legal basis within NCAA guidelines.
The academic reputation of the school is at stake and they are not going to allow lies and misrepresentations to go unchallenged.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 27, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
For those alleging unaddressed academic fraud at UNC, do a little homework. There have been no less than four independent investigations all of which have found no involvement by the athletic department and the supposed "fraud" was simply some easier classes open to anyone and not predominantly filled with athletes. It goes much deeper than that but that is the cliff notes version.
When Jay Bilas, an attorney and a Duke grad, comes to UNC's defense and goes after the NCAA for it you have to believe that it's been a witch hunt. Read some of his comments online.
With a Pulitzer prize in his dreams, a reporter at the Raleigh News and Observer ( NC State grad) fueled by misinformation given by overzealous NC State fans and a few people with agendas has been trying to discredit UNC. The real irony is that NC State athletes have at least two required classes that are ONLY for athletes that are guaranteed As. The hatred and vitriol spewed by NC State fans for UNC is unlike anything I've ever seen. Grew up in Ohio and know the "hatred" that's part of OSU vs UM rivalry well and it's tame and downright civilized by comparison.
The NCAA is honestly now looking for a way to save face because UNC is not taking this whole charade lying down and has hired a BIG time law firm to address this. The case was essentially over until the new head of the committee on infractions, Greg Sankey, who incidentally is the current commissioner of the SEC (no agenda here huh?) , decided to ignore previous findings with no legal basis within NCAA guidelines.
The academic reputation of the school is at stake and they are not going to allow lies and misrepresentations to go unchallenged.
I grew up loving UNC and still do, but this is hilarious.
Gonzaga and South Caroline beat both of my alma maters this tournament so I am agnostic on this game with the benefit going to the one who has best chance to win the whole thing.
Of that I am clueless -- silly me thought MU would beat SC.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 27, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
For those alleging unaddressed academic fraud at UNC, do a little homework. There have been no less than four independent investigations all of which have found no involvement by the athletic department and the supposed "fraud" was simply some easier classes open to anyone and not predominantly filled with athletes. It goes much deeper than that but that is the cliff notes version.
When Jay Bilas, an attorney and a Duke grad, comes to UNC's defense and goes after the NCAA for it you have to believe that it's been a witch hunt. Read some of his comments online.
With a Pulitzer prize in his dreams, a reporter at the Raleigh News and Observer ( NC State grad) fueled by misinformation given by overzealous NC State fans and a few people with agendas has been trying to discredit UNC. The real irony is that NC State athletes have at least two required classes that are ONLY for athletes that are guaranteed As. The hatred and vitriol spewed by NC State fans for UNC is unlike anything I've ever seen. Grew up in Ohio and know the "hatred" that's part of OSU vs UM rivalry well and it's tame and downright civilized by comparison.
The NCAA is honestly now looking for a way to save face because UNC is not taking this whole charade lying down and has hired a BIG time law firm to address this. The case was essentially over until the new head of the committee on infractions, Greg Sankey, who incidentally is the current commissioner of the SEC (no agenda here huh?) , decided to ignore previous findings with no legal basis within NCAA guidelines.
The academic reputation of the school is at stake and they are not going to allow lies and misrepresentations to go unchallenged.
From my perspective, you're missing the point. I don't think the UNC athletics department cheated. UNC's defense in this matter is telling. Since we're going with cliff notes versions, UNC's defense to the NCAA was, "this is none of your business...the bogus classes were available to all of our students, not just athletes...it wasn't an impermissible benefit." And that is an
extremely important distinction in the context of the NCAA investigation. It protects the reputation of UNC athletics...at the expense of the university as a whole. I agree with you that the "academic reputation of the school" is at stake. Unfortunately, in my personal opinion, things aren't looking too good on that front. UNC athletics doesn't cheat; UNC offers bogus classes to everyone.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 26, 2017, 07:21:05 PM
South Carolina then Gonzaga.
Gonzaga then South Carolina. Keep the Jesuits win streak alive. If not, let's get Frank Martin a better job to eventually get fired from.
Quote from: manny31 on March 26, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Zags cause they are a Jesuit school, then USC, Baylor, UNC. I am really hating on bluebloods lately. Thinking about it now Baylor can suck it too, cheating rapists
Quote from: manny31 on March 27, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
USC can suck it too.... That whole O.J thing.....
Sorry I must have have gotten schools with hideous uniforms mixed up...Sorry Ducks
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 27, 2017, 01:47:19 PM
While we're on the subject of hideous uniforms.....
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Take off that ND logo and glow jr. would love those board shorts.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 27, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
For those alleging unaddressed academic fraud at UNC, do a little homework. There have been no less than four independent investigations all of which have found no involvement by the athletic department and the supposed "fraud" was simply some easier classes open to anyone and not predominantly filled with athletes. It goes much deeper than that but that is the cliff notes version.
When Jay Bilas, an attorney and a Duke grad, comes to UNC's defense and goes after the NCAA for it you have to believe that it's been a witch hunt. Read some of his comments online.
With a Pulitzer prize in his dreams, a reporter at the Raleigh News and Observer ( NC State grad) fueled by misinformation given by overzealous NC State fans and a few people with agendas has been trying to discredit UNC. The real irony is that NC State athletes have at least two required classes that are ONLY for athletes that are guaranteed As. The hatred and vitriol spewed by NC State fans for UNC is unlike anything I've ever seen. Grew up in Ohio and know the "hatred" that's part of OSU vs UM rivalry well and it's tame and downright civilized by comparison.
The NCAA is honestly now looking for a way to save face because UNC is not taking this whole charade lying down and has hired a BIG time law firm to address this. The case was essentially over until the new head of the committee on infractions, Greg Sankey, who incidentally is the current commissioner of the SEC (no agenda here huh?) , decided to ignore previous findings with no legal basis within NCAA guidelines.
The academic reputation of the school is at stake and they are not going to allow lies and misrepresentations to go unchallenged.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 27, 2017, 08:32:33 PM
I agree with this analysis.
And there's the Scoop kiss of death...
Many of Martin's former players appreciate his rage intensity
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/how-frank-martin-and-his-sideline-fury-turned-south-carolina-into-a-winner-151406835.html
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
From my perspective, you're missing the point. I don't think the UNC athletics department cheated. UNC's defense in this matter is telling. Since we're going with cliff notes versions, UNC's defense to the NCAA was, "this is none of your business...the bogus classes were available to all of our students, not just athletes...it wasn't an impermissible benefit." And that is an extremely important distinction in the context of the NCAA investigation. It protects the reputation of UNC athletics...at the expense of the university as a whole. I agree with you that the "academic reputation of the school" is at stake. Unfortunately, in my personal opinion, things aren't looking too good on that front. UNC athletics doesn't cheat; UNC offers bogus classes to everyone.
I agree with this. Thought it was quite a clever, but odd defense that UNC decided to go with, one that has a good chance of succeeding. The point about sacrificing the academic reputation of the university to save the athletic department is well taken. Win the battle, lose the war.
Back to the post, still torn between SC and Gonzaga but certainly whoever wins that game.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
From my perspective, you're missing the point. I don't think the UNC athletics department cheated. UNC's defense in this matter is telling. Since we're going with cliff notes versions, UNC's defense to the NCAA was, "this is none of your business...the bogus classes were available to all of our students, not just athletes...it wasn't an impermissible benefit." And that is an extremely important distinction in the context of the NCAA investigation. It protects the reputation of UNC athletics...at the expense of the university as a whole. I agree with you that the "academic reputation of the school" is at stake. Unfortunately, in my personal opinion, things aren't looking too good on that front. UNC athletics doesn't cheat; UNC offers bogus classes to everyone.
Yep. Academic fraud by the whole school.
Great defense, UNC.
Quote from: Eldon on March 27, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Many of Martin's former players appreciate his rage intensity
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/how-frank-martin-and-his-sideline-fury-turned-south-carolina-into-a-winner-151406835.html
I was reading an article this morning that unfortunately I can't link at the moment, but it talked about how when Martin was on Huggins' staff at K-State, he was actually the calming influence on the team. Sounds like a lot of his sideline fury is more for show than anything else and he's a lot more laid back than most fans would expect.
From everything I've heard Martin is a really great guy away from the court.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2017, 11:50:24 PM
From everything I've heard Martin is a really great guy away from the court.
I have no doubt he's 100% committed to his players. Rules though, I'm not as convinced...
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/frank-martin-is-not-a-scapegoat-new-times-busted-him-cold-at-miami-high-6544474
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 28, 2017, 01:16:37 AM
I have no doubt he's 100% committed to his players. Rules though, I'm not as convinced...
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/frank-martin-is-not-a-scapegoat-new-times-busted-him-cold-at-miami-high-6544474
Seems a bit extreme. Coulda just adopted them.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 27, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Yep. Academic fraud by the whole school.
Great defense, UNC.
That's thinking out of the box. Priorities, Priorities.
This is a good, quick read that shows how important Gonzaga Basketball was to the university. They were barely keeping their heads above water and then they go to an elite 8, Few becomes coach, rest is history.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/119205/how-the-basketball-program-helped-gonzaga-university-flourish
I'm hoping Gonzaga pulls it out. But I'm just looking forward to seeing some good games.
Quote from: RKMU123 on March 30, 2017, 07:56:20 AM
This is a good, quick read that shows how important Gonzaga Basketball was to the university. They were barely keeping their heads above water and then they go to an elite 8, Few becomes coach, rest is history.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/119205/how-the-basketball-program-helped-gonzaga-university-flourish
Thank you for this. On the Marquette Parents Facebook page, a lot of parents have been grousing lately about the attention given to the basketball program, including a couple of folks who were livid that the players got great dorm rooms and didn't have to go through the housing lottery "just because they can dribble a basketball". I posted your article there. It will be interesting to see the feedback I get.
Quote from: DUNKS45 on March 30, 2017, 08:24:48 AM
I'm hoping Gonzaga pulls it out.
I hope they finish.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 30, 2017, 08:30:54 AM
Thank you for this. On the Marquette Parents Facebook page, a lot of parents have been grousing lately about the attention given to the basketball program, including a couple of folks who were livid that the players got great dorm rooms and didn't have to go through the housing lottery "just because they can dribble a basketball". I posted your article there. It will be interesting to see the feedback I get.
Did you ask them what their child is going to do in the next four years to earn the university millions of dollars?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 30, 2017, 08:35:21 AM
Did you ask them what their child is going to do in the next four years to earn the university millions of dollars?
Something to that affect. But since I am on the Parent's Board, I have to watch my rhetoric a little bit. Fortunately, I have a friend who is also a Marquette parent who has a major IDGAF attitude in general. When I have a particularly good zinger, I give it to her and she posts it.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 30, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
I hope they finish.
Lots of baby Gonzaga's running around?
Darren Rovell @darrenrovell 4 minutes ago
Chart: Most popular Final 4 gear sold in states over last six days on Fanatics. UNC with 25 states, Gonzaga 11, Oregon 9 & South Carolina 5
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Quote from: warriorchick on March 30, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
I hope they finish.
Good one, but I believe the line is, he took it out. #seinfeld
Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on March 30, 2017, 11:24:03 AM
Darren Rovell @darrenrovell 4 minutes ago
Chart: Most popular Final 4 gear sold in states over last six days on Fanatics. UNC with 25 states, Gonzaga 11, Oregon 9 & South Carolina 5
If I was the guy that had South Carolina gear shipped to Rhode Island, I'd also get this map made into a shirt and/or poster. Major superfan cred.
South Carolina over UNC so I can place in my bracket and get some money.
Heart says Gonzaga over Oregon.
Gonzaga
South Carolina
Oregon
UNC
That order.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 30, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
I hope they finish.
Solid dame. Now you're gettin' yo hands rapped 'round dis game, hey?
Like others---South Carolina, just to place and have a brew
Go Bulldogs!!!
Why would people in Iowa be buying Oregon gear?
Gotta root for Gonzaga. Jesuit school and they have the the guy from Poland.
Hope wojo is watching south Carolina play. He needs plenty of pointers on coaching defense.
That was fun. South Carolina was really tough. Just a great game.
The former Burger boys, Williams-Goss and Collins were outstanding. Collins is going to make some serious NBA money one day. Great game.
Quote from: nyg on April 01, 2017, 07:32:28 PM
The former Burger boys, Williams-Goss and Collins were outstanding. Collins is going to make some serious NBA money one day. Great game.
Love the McHale drop step in the first half.
Karnowski gets poked in the eye and no foul. Explain that to me.
Uh oh, don't let Wisconsin know that UNC used "Jump Around", they'll try to sue for copyright infringement.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 01, 2017, 07:55:08 PM
Karnowski gets poked in the eye and no foul. Explain that to me.
It happens all the time. I'd bet getting poked in the eye goes without a foul call more often than with a foul call. Refs aren't usually watching a single finger making contact with the opponent away from where 99.9% of contact happens.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2017, 08:26:07 PM
It happens all the time. I'd bet getting poked in the eye goes without a foul call more often than with a foul call. Refs aren't usually watching a single finger making contact with the opponent away from where 99.9% of contact happens.
Yep. Incidental contact on a clean block.
Are you kidding me? UNC misses four FTs and then goes all Seton Hall v Marquette on the glass?
Fun fact, the over under was 153...final score 153. Vegas cleaned up.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2017, 10:26:26 PM
Are you kidding me? UNC misses four FTs and then goes all Seton Hall v Marquette on the glass?
Fun fact, the over under was 153...final score 153. Vegas cleaned up.
FTsNoMatta
Both winning teams scored 77 tonight. How about that?
Brewcity, how do you know Vegas cleaned up? They pushed the wagers. Was the vast majority of the money on UNDER, meaning Vegas got lucky?
I mean..on the over?
Quote from: AZMarqfan on April 01, 2017, 11:34:23 PM
Brewcity, how do you know Vegas cleaned up? They pushed the wagers. Was the vast majority of the money on UNDER, meaning Vegas got lucky?
On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
Hope wojo is watching south Carolina play. He needs plenty of pointers on coaching defense.
I'm getting kinda sick of this. Yes we were bad on defense this year. But we were also incredible on offense. Wojo maxed the roster he had with the pieces that were available this year. We've upgraded the talent and win total every year he's been here, and I see that trend continuing. We have new pieces coming in that I think fit Wojo's plan/system better than what is leaving. In my view, Wojo has taken a patient, long term approach to roster/prorgam building, and it is starting to pay off. Yes it was painful getting here, but those continuing to whine are gonna look real dumb pretty soon.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 02, 2017, 12:05:55 AM
On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.
Exactly. We were there one year when some major bet on the Super Bowl pushed. Mint for the casinos. All the commissions, none of the payout.
You guys must understand something I don't about a push. In a push everybody gets their money back. Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less. How does that benefit a casino more than a win?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 02, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
You guys must understand something I don't about a push. In a push everybody gets their money back. Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less. How does that benefit a casino more than a win?
I suppose I misspoke. What it means is that the casino doesn't have ANY dog in the fight (and thus be on the winning or losing side in that specific bet which they invariably always do because the dollars on each side are never perfectly even). So it's simply collecting the commission without having to make any unintended wager on their part. All reward, no risk. Priceless.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 02, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
You guys must understand something I don't about a push. In a push everybody gets their money back. Nobody gets more than they bet, but they also don't get less. How does that benefit a casino more than a win?
The casino gets paid a commission on all bets. This is known as "the rake." When there is a push, a $10 bet actually gets back slightly less than $10. How much depends on the rake. A 3% commission pays back $9.70 on a $10 bet that pushes.
Quote from: jsglow on April 02, 2017, 10:24:54 AM
I suppose I misspoke. What it means is that the casino doesn't have ANY dog in the fight (and thus be on the winning or losing side in that specific bet which they invariably always do because the dollars on each side are never perfectly even). So it's simply collecting the commission without having to make any unintended wager on their part. All reward, no risk. Priceless.
OK, yes, that makes more sense.
So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.
Yep, they definitely played better yesterday than the Tarheels.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
So what are the odds for tomorrows game. I like the Zags; they pass the eye test for me.
Vegas odds opened at UNC -2.5, Pomeroy model has Zags by 4. Looks like the Vegas line has dropped to -1.5, so early betting is in for the Zags.
As far as game analysis, Gonzaga is one of the few teams with the strength up front (Karnowski, Collins, Williams) to keep UNC off the offensive glass and I've no idea how Berry, gimpy as he is, can keep up with Williams-Goss.
Maybe I'm looking through Jesuit goggles, but I'd give the edge to the Zags.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
Six of the last nine NCAA championship games have now included a Big East or AAC remnant (mid major to the Elites). This includes four national championships. If the Zags get there as a mid, seven out of ten or five out of ten NCs if all the way.
For the money spent on football, one would expect better. The BIG hasn't won since 2000, the PAC since 1997.
Seven out of last ten championship games now with a "mid-major" in it. Go Zags!
#power5nomatta
Brewcity77 et al, you don't get sports wagering. Whether I bet $100 on under or over, I get my money back on a push. They collect no Juice! Same goes for blackjack, baccarat, etc. However, given the line movements, I'll bet Vegas lost quite a bit on the over. The line started lower and moved up. I attached the MGM casinos line movements.
Article on Dan Monson and Mark Few. Very cool.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19061143/dan-monson-one-started-all-gonzaga-including-mark-ever-forget-that
Quote from: AZMarqfan on April 02, 2017, 01:06:57 PM
Brewcity77 et al, you don't get sports wagering. Whether I bet $100 on under or over, I get my money back on a push. They collect no Juice! Same goes for blackjack, baccarat, etc. However, given the line movements, I'll bet Vegas lost quite a bit on the over. The line started lower and moved up. I attached the MGM casinos line movements.
You and Rocky are right, Brew, Lazar, etc. are wrong. No vig or "rake" on a push. 100% of the money wagered is returned to the bettor.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 02, 2017, 12:05:55 AM
On a push, Vegas cleans up because they get their percentage and don't have to pay winners.
they get all the juice at 153. no chicken dinners. the over/under really fluctuated as well. at 153.5, 55% bet over according to odds shark. all depends on where ya bought in
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 02, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
they get all the juice at 153. no chicken dinners. the over/under really fluctuated as well. at 153.5, 55% bet over according to odds shark. all depends on where ya bought in
Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.
But will 100% of the people who made a bet on the over/under redeem their "winnings" (or just money back)?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 02, 2017, 12:36:07 PM
Vegas odds opened at UNC -2.5, Pomeroy model has Zags by 4. Looks like the Vegas line has dropped to -1.5, so early betting is in for the Zags.
As far as game analysis, Gonzaga is one of the few teams with the strength up front (Karnowski, Collins, Williams) to keep UNC off the offensive glass and I've no idea how Berry, gimpy as he is, can keep up with Williams-Goss.
Maybe I'm looking through Jesuit goggles, but I'd give the edge to the Zags.
Even if Berry 100% healthy UNC would be really dumb to not have Pinson or Jackson on Williams-Goss.
And for as much as people are saying Gonzaga is the one team that has the strength up front to give UNC trouble, UNC has seen big boys in the ACC all year. Gonzaga is the team that hasn't seen the size and strength of a team like UNC all year. Every time I watch them when they get in trouble they just lob a ball into a double teamed Karnowski or Collins, a 3rd defender goes to triple, and they finish over the top anyway (or, against Xavier, kick it to a wide open 3 point shooter).
I think Pinson/Jackson gives Williams-Goss fits, Collins struggles with UNC's strength, Karnowski struggles to keep up with the pace of UNC, and UNC wins this one by 6 or 8.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 08:06:37 PM
You and Rocky are right, Brew, Lazar, etc. are wrong. No vig or "rake" on a push. 100% of the money wagered is returned to the bettor.
This is right, handled differently by a local...erm...gambling aficionado.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.
Well I stand corrected.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
But will 100% of the people who made a bet on the over/under redeem their "winnings" (or just money back)?
Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but -
If they wanted to win 100 on the over (or the under) 153, they gave the casino 110 to hold until after the game. When the total landed on 153, they presented their ticket to the casino and their 110 was returned to them.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but -
If they wanted to win 100 on the over (or the under) 153, they gave the casino 110 to hold until after the game. When the total landed on 153, they presented their ticket to the casino and their 110 was returned to them.
This is correct, Lennys Tap. The only winners were those that took the over at 150.5-152.5 OR those that got the under at 153.5-154. But the original statement was discussing 153 points exactly, and nobody wins there. All bets are returned.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but -
If they wanted to win 100 on the over (or the under) 153, they gave the casino 110 to hold until after the game. When the total landed on 153, they presented their ticket to the casino and their 110 was returned to them.
I mean that some people who placed a bet in person at the sportsbooks in Vegas may have done so when the lines opened, left Vegas, and never mailed in their ticket. Or lost their ticket while still in Vegas.
Obviously much different as months had passed between my placing my bet and my bet hitting, but I was in Vegas in the March before the Packers won the SB, put a minimum bet on the Packers at 9:1 to win the SB, and then lost my ticket before they did win the SB, so I didn't get my winnings.
I would bet Vegas had *some* unclaimed O/U bets from that game.
Also not sure how the return on a parlay would work. If I bet Gonzaga to cover and UNC/Oregon either over or under, I lose the bet on Gonzaga not covering, so do I get half of my money back for the O/U pushing? I would assume so.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
Also not sure how the return on a parlay would work. If I bet Gonzaga to cover and UNC/Oregon either over or under, I lose the bet on Gonzaga not covering, so do I get half of my money back for the O/U pushing? I would assume so.
that's an easy one as well. If you filled out a parlay card (like they have on big weekends or opening round of NCAA tourney), they are often "Ties Lose." If you did the parlay at the window by reciting numbers, then the game is declared a push and the wager is reduced by a game. So a 2-team parlay with a push would result in the wager being reduced to a 1-game straight wager. The payout would be adjusted accordingly.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 02, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Wrong. They get zero juice on a push. All the money wagered is returned to the bettors.
oh shoot-right-my bad
Quote from: AZMarqfan on April 03, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
that's an easy one as well. If you filled out a parlay card (like they have on big weekends or opening round of NCAA tourney), they are often "Ties Lose." If you did the parlay at the window by reciting numbers, then the game is declared a push and the wager is reduced by a game. So a 2-team parlay with a push would result in the wager being reduced to a 1-game straight wager. The payout would be adjusted accordingly.
So then Vegas got the money from any UNC vs. Oregon O/U 153 bet that was part of a parlay as well.
CommonSenseNoMatta?
So what are the odds that the Zags will get called, I mean commit more fouls than UNC in the first half of tonights game?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 03, 2017, 03:16:29 PM
So what are the odds that the Zags will get called, I mean commit more fouls than UNC in the first half of tonights game?
Probably roughly the same that the Wildcats would get called, I mean commit more fouls than UNC in the first half of last year's game, I would guess?
Quote from: AZMarqfan on April 03, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
that's an easy one as well. If you filled out a parlay card (like they have on big weekends or opening round of NCAA tourney), they are often "Ties Lose." If you did the parlay at the window by reciting numbers, then the game is declared a push and the wager is reduced by a game. So a 2-team parlay with a push would result in the wager being reduced to a 1-game straight wager. The payout would be adjusted accordingly.
Really? This surprises me. When I bet online and do parlays, a tie is counted as a win. So if I do a 6 team parlay and 5 of my teams win with 1 push, I get paid out the full amount.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
So then Vegas got the money from any UNC vs. Oregon O/U 153 bet that was part of a parlay as well.
No, I never said that. If I bet a 2 game parlay for $25, the potential payout is roughly $93 ($25 wager + the winnings). The first wins and UNC-Oregon +153 pushes, the result is that it is reduced to a single game $25 winning wager that pays roughly $46-48 (too lazy to load a wager calculator). House gets no money.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on April 03, 2017, 05:03:17 PM
Really? This surprises me. When I bet online and do parlays, a tie is counted as a win. So if I do a 6 team parlay and 5 of my teams win with 1 push, I get paid out the full amount.
I haven't done anything online in years, but I can speak to Vegas as I'm there several times a year. I would look at the rules on your websites...they may declare ties win. In Vegas, ties either push or lose depending on it you use the weekend/event parlay card or just state the numbers at the window.