Poll
Question:
Big day for our boys. How many lines do we fall with a concerning loss to Dayton?
Option 1: 1
Option 2: 2
Option 3: 3
Option 4: None, Marquette isn't the only team that can't stop Antetokounmpo
Option 5: Stock is rising after a huge win
Big Daddy will have to let us know the results.
Pops got a new broom for his birthday, so he's good ta go, ai na?
Devastating secret loss so 3 seeds it is ;D
This scrimmage could Kostas at least 3 seed lines. ;D
Quote from: tower912 on October 29, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
This scrimmage could Kostas at least 3 seed lines. ;D
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/sports/archie-miller-looking-at-positives-in-antetokounmp/nskYs/
In the words of Lady Violet (Maggie Smith) "Don't be such a defeatist, its so Middle Class."
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on October 29, 2016, 03:11:18 PM
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/sports/archie-miller-looking-at-positives-in-antetokounmp/nskYs/
With "alumni" like you, who needs rivalries?
Stupid pool, today has no effect on seedings.
Quote from: bilsu on October 29, 2016, 04:20:43 PM
Stupid pool, today has no effect on seedings.
Sense of humor?
Quote from: tower912 on October 29, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
This scrimmage could Kostas at least 3 seed lines. ;D
Outstanding!
I said 1 seed line but that's because we were able to hold Kostas to 50 points, 15 boards, and 8 assists, so worse than the 'brow on opening night. I think the committee will see it for what it is and there's no real way anybody can beat Dayton with Kostas in the lineup, which is the real reason they are not allowing him to play this season. Shady NCAA, pay the players!
Not that most need reminding but just in case.... 8-)
https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/792485678873399296
Was there a report that we got destroyed?
Lol
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on October 29, 2016, 05:55:39 PM
Was there a report that we got destroyed?
Lol
It's in progress......I was just being proactive.....
We Won!!!!!
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/dayton-flyers-lose-secret-scrimmage-marquette/v1Wn3gUcvre27P3FUR24aO/
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792519853819199488
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on October 29, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
We Won!!!!!
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/dayton-flyers-lose-secret-scrimmage-marquette/v1Wn3gUcvre27P3FUR24aO/
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792519853819199488
Wojo and his damn mind games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So much for the "secret" part.
I wonder if they just played one full scrimmage game, or a bunch of smaller games/drills.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on October 29, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
We Won!!!!!
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/dayton-flyers-lose-secret-scrimmage-marquette/v1Wn3gUcvre27P3FUR24aO/
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792519853819199488
Thanks
So, we're in da Tourney for sure now, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
So, we're in da Tourney for sure now, hey?
A win is a win. Looking forward to putting a whoopin on Rockhurst.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Told that Marquette edged Dayton in closed scrimmage. Haanif Cheatham led Marquette and Charles Cooke led Dayton.
Nice to hear. And Cheatham led the way. Sweet
We got this.
Will this hurt our RPI?
Committee will see a team that only gets the easy wins.
Quote from: T-Bone on October 29, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
Committee will see a team that only gets the easy wins.
But the Secret Ccommittee will see everything.
In the twitter video from the scrimmage win, with Katin hitting the 3, the lineup looks to be:
Howard
Cheatham
JJJ
Katin
Heldt
Luke foul out?
Any walking boots today?
It's just an exhibition game so do we really care who won or not. If it came down to the last shot it would appear our defense needs work.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
It's just an exhibition game so do we really care who won or not. If it came down to the last shot it would appear our defense needs work.
Your first and second sentences kinda contradict each other though?
If it's an exhibition do we really care how are defense was?
If we won by 30 would you still say the same about the D?
Therefore we do care if we won or not. If we won by 30, awesome!
But if we won by only a little, as you said, then our D needs work.
But if we lost by 30, the. Our D and O need work.
So yes, even within your statement, we (and you) care.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
It's just an exhibition game so do we really care who won or not. If it came down to the last shot it would appear our defense needs work.
1. Yes it's an exhibition and we shouldn't really care.
2. Ignoring that, we beat a top 25 team and your takeaway that the defense sucks because it was a close game? And we have no idea what the score was so how would you know the defense was poor?
I feel that a close game to Dayton would give more insight than a 30pt W over rockhurst would.
Let's be clear, we didn't "beat" a top-25 team today, we scrimmaged one. Who knows which players played, how seriously they played, and how the rules were interpreted. How much time of the scrimmage was on situations? How often was it "Let's try that exact same thing again to see if we can do it better"? Who knows if Marquette won one out of three 10-minute games?
At the end of the day, it's a fine experience, but not the same as actually playing and beating a top-25 team. Until we get to Annapolis, all the rest, win or lose, is icing. We could lose to Rockhurst and still make the Tournament.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
It's just an exhibition game so do we really care who won or not. If it came down to the last shot it would appear our defense needs work.
I agree......can't believe we didn't shut them out...
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 30, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
Let's be clear, we didn't "beat" a top-25 team today, we scrimmaged one. Who knows which players played, how seriously they played, and how the rules were interpreted. How much time of the scrimmage was on situations? How often was it "Let's try that exact same thing again to see if we can do it better"? Who knows if Marquette won one out of three 10-minute games?
At the end of the day, it's a fine experience, but not the same as actually playing and beating a top-25 team. Until we get to Annapolis, all the rest, win or lose, is icing. We could lose to Rockhurst and still make the Tournament.
This.
Edged? Edged?
We're doomed. Break out the Sonoran Salsa before it's too late. 8-)
Quote from: MuMark on October 29, 2016, 05:33:09 PM
Not that most need reminding but just in case.... 8-)
https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/792485678873399296
So what's he saying, really? That Virginia Tech had a poor scrimmage?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on October 29, 2016, 03:11:18 PM
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/sports/archie-miller-looking-at-positives-in-antetokounmp/nskYs/
"as the summer progressed, Miller said the coaching staff started to get an indication that there might be deficiencies with his transcript."
Only about nine months later than everyone else in Division I.
Score was 83-79.
34-29 MU at half.
Don't see this posted yet ...
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Told that Marquette edged Dayton in closed scrimmage. Haanif Cheatham led Marquette and Charles Cooke led Dayton.
Oct 29, 2016, 8:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/792545302133833728
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on October 30, 2016, 07:24:10 PM
Don't see this posted yet ...
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Told that Marquette edged Dayton in closed scrimmage. Haanif Cheatham led Marquette and Charles Cooke led Dayton.
Oct 29, 2016, 8:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/792545302133833728
You're not looking hard enough then.
But the reality is you should've just said, "Saw this in another thread and want my thread clicks to go through the roof!"
Do 10 seconds of searching.
tough crowd
i'll help out a brother-i think he meant not posted HERE on scoop
Nice video about the trip. I'm laughing that Markus brought his passport to fly to Indy.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792894230649671680/video/1
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 30, 2016, 08:26:44 PM
tough crowd
i'll help out a brother-i think he meant not posted HERE on scoop
It is posted here on Scoop. On the first page. Like 6 threads down.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2016, 08:58:48 PM
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Told that Marquette edged Dayton in closed scrimmage. Haanif Cheatham led Marquette and Charles Cooke led Dayton.
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
Nice video about the trip. I'm laughing that Markus brought his passport to fly to Indy.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792894230649671680/video/1
To be fair, he's only 17. If he doesn't drive that may be the only ID he has.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 30, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
To be fair, he's only 17. If he doesn't drive that may be the only ID he has.
I thought of that. But I wasn't laughing that I thought it was dumb that it did it. It was kind of charming.
4 point road win over a top 25 team? Scrimmage or not, I like it!
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
Nice video about the trip. I'm laughing that Markus brought his passport to fly to Indy.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792894230649671680/video/1
Great video, surprised the NCAA allows them to show that much.
Quote from: PTM on October 30, 2016, 07:19:07 PM
Score was 83-79.
34-29 MU at half.
I would check that halftime score again
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on October 30, 2016, 07:24:10 PM
Don't see this posted yet ...
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Told that Marquette edged Dayton in closed scrimmage. Haanif Cheatham led Marquette and Charles Cooke led Dayton.
Oct 29, 2016, 8:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/792545302133833728
This out to help with our NCAA seeding.
Not too shabby, Morton's, hey?
That spin move on the baseline by Haanif though...
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 31, 2016, 09:04:45 AM
That spin move on the baseline by Haanif though...
Yeah real nice. Last year he would've just kept running straight into the defender and been called for a charge.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 31, 2016, 07:29:46 AM
I would check that halftime score again
In the video that the Marquette MBB Twitter account posted it lists the halftime score as 34-29 and the final as 83-79.
Hey JB, did the rules change to score keeping? Even the Dayton article says that the scores are supposed to be kept private, but apparently MU doesn't think so.
QuoteThe NCAA allows Division I teams to play one scrimmage against each other, but they are not allowed to publicize the games or report final scores
edit: Hm, I didn't find the rule, but found this in another article..
QuoteThe NCAA does not allow schools to promote the scrimmage, or invite the public or media to watch, but for the first time, it is allowing schools to release scrimmage details.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on October 31, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
In the video that the Marquette MBB Twitter account posted it lists the halftime score as 34-29 and the final as 83-79.
Those weren't basketball scores... they were test scores.
79-83 is what Kostas needs to get eligible. 29-34 is where he currently is.
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2016, 10:05:24 AM
Those weren't basketball scores... they were test scores.
79-83 is what Kostas needs to get eligible. 29-34 is where he currently is.
Winner!
Quote from: Benny B on October 31, 2016, 10:05:24 AM
Those weren't basketball scores... they were test scores.
79-83 is what Kostas needs to get eligible. 29-34 is where he currently is.
Freakin' awesome Benny.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 31, 2016, 10:03:13 AM
Hey JB, did the rules change to score keeping? Even the Dayton article says that the scores are supposed to be kept private, but apparently MU doesn't think so.
edit: Hm, I didn't find the rule, but found this in another article..
I remember hearing last year that schools can release data, and coaches can comment, after the fact. Still not beforehand.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on October 31, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
In the video that the Marquette MBB Twitter account posted it lists the halftime score as 34-29 and the final as 83-79.
Quote from: PTM on October 31, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
?
Interesting, was told something different. Gotta check on that. My apologies!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 31, 2016, 10:44:58 AM
Interesting, was told something different. Gotta check on that. My apologies!
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First off I was not present for this, but here is the recap I got.
1) HC was almost unstoppable on offense twist turns and pull up jumpers. Definitely MVP.
2) Heldt started both as a reward and as a possible ongoing scenario to keep LF out of early foul trouble. (I think buzz did the same with DG a few years back).
3) Offense was very good. Spacing created some very easy shots inside for LF.
4) Defense was ok, but rebounding was not great. DU out rebounded MU, but I did not get exact numbers.
deleted bad info
6) Turnovers are still something to work on, Was not over the top, but did allow DU to come back and take lead in 2ND half.
7) Wojo likes these events for 4 reasons
a. Game like experience
b. Practice road game scenario (travel, hotel, etc.) it is a good dry run for everyone.
c. Team bonding away from home
d. No distractions from fans, family, media, and janitors in the corner with brooms.
8) NCAA does allow programs to share details after the event, but coaches typically agree on what each other will say or not say.
9) No Kostas, new rule this year that partial qualifiers cannot even practice for the first semester, I had not heard this. Has to have be at proper graduation track after first semester to practice. Then can play next year if he still is on track.
Thanks BD!
Nice recap...appreciate something to chew on while we await Vandy.
Matty V with a great write up on the scrimmage: http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/10/31/notes-marquette-beats-dayton-scrimmage/93074440/
5-22 from 3 pt land.
11-2 outscored on second chance points
Usually not a recipe for victory, but looks like Hani will be Jimmy-esque in getting to the line.
Wojo gave different info to Matt then BD got.
Didn't shoot well from 3(note the possible reason) and Wojo very happy with how they took care of the ball
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/10/31/notes-marquette-beats-dayton-scrimmage/93074440/
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on October 31, 2016, 02:42:39 PM
First off I was not present for this, but here is the recap I got.
1) HC was almost unstoppable on offense twist turns and pull up jumpers. Definitely MVP.
2) Heldt started both as a reward and as a possible ongoing scenario to keep LF out of early foul trouble. (I think buzz did the same with DG a few years back).
3) Offense was very good. Spacing created some very easy shots inside for LF.
4) Defense was ok, but rebounding was not great. DU out rebounded MU, but I did not get exact numbers.
5) 3pt shooting was good >40%.
Quote from: MuMark on October 31, 2016, 03:53:39 PM
Wojo gave different info to Matt then BD got.
Didn't shoot well from 3(note the possible reason) and Wojo very happy with how they took care of the ball
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/10/31/notes-marquette-beats-dayton-scrimmage/93074440/
Welp....
Why welp?
Nice to be able to beat a good team without shooting well from deep. Shows we might not be as 1 dimensional as some feared.
Quote from: MuMark on October 31, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Why welp?
Because Matt V. just said something that directly contradicted what BD said.
Time for me to get a better source or get back to sweeping.
3pt shooting is really a ?, only thing I can think was he was talking about Dayton then, not sure.
Turnovers was right, Heldt starting was right, HC was right. Not sure how I got 3pt shooting wrong? Will check on Saturday.
Go Warriors.
I don't know, it's tough to think everyone but Reinhardt combined for 2/14 from 3 but I guess it's not unheard of.
So BD got some bad info.........maybe the guy who told him fell asleep during some of the misses?
Great write-ups from both Big Daddy and Matt Valasquez. I'm more interested to read about the offensive style of play and defense/rebounding overall than what specific percentage we hit from 3-point range in a single scrimmage.
In the alternative, I could see it an oral conversation someone saying, "Katin shot over 40% (3/8)" and the other party hearing, "the team shot over 40%." Although the actual percentage Katin shot was 37.5.
Quote from: Marcus92 on October 31, 2016, 04:18:35 PM
Great write-ups from both Big Daddy and Matt Valasquez. I'm more interested to read about the offensive style of play and defense/rebounding overall than what specific percentage we hit from 3-point range in a single scrimmage.
Unfortunately, when the media is not allowed you're not going to get this kind of depth... you're relying on recaps from Wojo, Kuyk, etc. and those guys aren't going to provide too much color for a scrimmage (and certainly not anything that might reveal game plan, strategy or be of any scouting benefit). Stats are easy to report, and rather innocuous, so that's mostly what we can expect from these.
In other words, commentary on style of play, etc. typically comes from the observations/analysis of the journalists who actually watch the game.
Interesting to consider: Of the 84 points MU scored, 69 were scored by Haanif, JJJ, Katin and Luke. Velzaquez article mentioned Markus Howard hit a three which puts MU to 72 points.
Conclusion 1: The rest of the team: Carter, Rowsey, Duane, Cohen, Hauser, Anim, Heldt managed to score 12 points combined.
Conclusion 2: Rowsey and Duane likely will have their work cut out for them getting on the floor this year - and rightfully so as Cheatham, Johnson and Reinhardt are all better players and have more length.
Quote from: Benny B on November 01, 2016, 10:07:37 AMUnfortunately, when the media is not allowed you're not going to get this kind of depth... you're relying on recaps from Wojo, Kuyk, etc. and those guys aren't going to provide too much color for a scrimmage (and certainly not anything that might reveal game plan, strategy or be of any scouting benefit). Stats are easy to report, and rather innocuous, so that's mostly what we can expect from these.
In other words, commentary on style of play, etc. typically comes from the observations/analysis of the journalists who actually watch the game.
I'm actually quite satisfied with the level of information we've gotten about this closed scrimmage. Like the open practice, it's not a real game. We're getting an early window into what the team
might look like. Wojo and his staff are still evaluating players and lineups — and the best way to get the most from them.
Even if any of us were able to attend the scrimmage with Dayton in person, anything we saw could change between now and the start of the season.
Quote from: MUFan2007 on November 01, 2016, 10:23:13 AM
Interesting to consider: Of the 84 points MU scored, 69 were scored by Haanif, JJJ, Katin and Luke. Velzaquez article mentioned Markus Howard hit a three which puts MU to 72 points.
Conclusion 1: The rest of the team: Carter, Rowsey, Duane, Cohen, Hauser, Anim, Heldt managed to score 12 points combined.
Conclusion 2: Rowsey and Duane likely will have their work cut out for them getting on the floor this year - and rightfully so as Cheatham, Johnson and Reinhardt are all better players and have more length.
#1 makes perfect sense.
#2 is wait and see. Making playing time declarations by the number of points someone scores in a scrimmage is at best inexact.
Quote from: MUFan2007 on November 01, 2016, 10:23:13 AMInteresting to consider: Of the 84 points MU scored, 69 were scored by Haanif, JJJ, Katin and Luke.
Also interesting: 3 of those 4 players are seniors. Hopefully this bodes well for them taking on leadership roles this season — and that Wojo trusts them with the keys to the offense.
Alternately, it could simply mean they had the hot hand that day. Or, they benefited from favorable match ups versus Dayton. Or, they were part of a lineup Wojo wanted to get a good look at. Or, they needed the extra court time. Or, they're the best conditioned and got the most minutes. Or, they're the worst conditioned and Wojo tried to run them into the ground...
Big daddy mentioned that Heldt got the start as a reward and to help with the fouling issue for fish.
Would be interesting if heldt got a few starts this year in bigger games to help ensure fish is in the game at the end when he is likely needed most.
If heldt can start, play 10 min, get 5ppg and 4 rebounds, would be nice
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 01, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
#1 makes perfect sense.
#2 is wait and see. Making playing time declarations by the number of points someone scores in a scrimmage is at best inexact.
True. Guess my thinking was more along the lines of Reinhardt didn't come here to sit on the bench, and does have NCAA experience and has put up pretty respectable numbers elsewhere. Looking back at the last half of last year, it was evident that Johnson was starting to reach his potential and was absolutely outplaying Duane, and perhaps even Henry and Haanif. Haanif is a star in the making, and doubt he will regress from his freshman year.
Just think Duane and Rowsey will be relegated to back up roles this year, but should be HUGE contributors next season, while being key back ups this year.
Quote from: MUFan2007 on November 01, 2016, 10:51:21 AM
True. Guess my thinking was more along the lines of Reinhardt didn't come here to sit on the bench, and does have NCAA experience and has put up pretty respectable numbers elsewhere. Looking back at the last half of last year, it was evident that Johnson was starting to reach his potential and was absolutely outplaying Duane, and perhaps even Henry and Haanif. Haanif is a star in the making, and doubt he will regress from his freshman year.
Just think Duane and Rowsey will be relegated to back up roles this year, but should be HUGE contributors next season, while being key back ups this year.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: fjm on November 01, 2016, 10:46:42 AM
Big daddy mentioned that Heldt got the start as a reward and to help with the fouling issue for fish.
Would be interesting if heldt got a few starts this year in bigger games to help ensure fish is in the game at the end when he is likely needed most.
If heldt can start, play 10 min, get 5ppg and 4 rebounds, would be nice
that projects to 15/12 in 30 minutes, which would likely be the best C in the BEast this year
Haha. Fair. Ok well you know, I just have high hopes...
Ok reduce that a bit in the PPG area. Sorry. ::)
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 01, 2016, 12:04:45 PM
that projects to 15/12 in 30 minutes, which would likely be the best C in the BEast this year
I have pretty strong doubts about the relationship of ppg/rpg being linear to mpg.
We've all seen plenty of "drive-by-ass-whoopings" where a bench player comes into the game, pulls down a rebound, knocks down a couple shots and then comes out of the game during the media timeout before anyone realizes what just happened. Wally was supposed to play a similar role last year, but unfortunately, Wojo had little choice but to utilize him more and more, which rendered Wally less and less effective.
You can get some quick returns from such a "change of pace," but if you keep that player in the game too long, the other team will adjust and remind the fans why he doesn't play more than 8-10 mpg.
Quote from: Benny B on November 01, 2016, 02:43:14 PMI have pretty strong doubts about the relationship of ppg/rpg being linear to mpg.
We've all seen plenty of "drive-by-ass-whoopings" where a bench player comes into the game, pulls down a rebound, knocks down a couple shots and then comes out of the game during the media timeout before anyone realizes what just happened. Wally was supposed to play a similar role last year, but unfortunately, Wojo had little choice but to utilize him more and more, which rendered Wally less and less effective.
You can get some quick returns from such a "change of pace," but if you keep that player in the game too long, the other team will adjust and remind the fans why he doesn't play more than 8-10 mpg.
Davante's freshman year comes to mind. He averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per 40 minutes — but played less than 10 minutes a game because of his poor conditioning (and the fact that he had to fight for minutes behind Chris Otule and Jae Crowder).
Wow, I saw Luke have 4 fouls.
?-(
Sacar sighting!!!!
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
Nice video about the trip. I'm laughing that Markus brought his passport to fly to Indy.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/792894230649671680/video/1
I always bring my passport. It helps with the ticket booths and I find it easier to carry through lines with my tickets than an id
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on November 01, 2016, 10:40:12 PM
I always bring my passport. It helps with the ticket booths and I find it easier to carry through lines with my tickets than an id
Yeah, but if you lose it, it's a lot harder to replace than your driver's license. And it doesn't fit in your wallet.
Quote from: fjm on November 01, 2016, 10:46:42 AM
Big daddy mentioned that Heldt got the start as a reward and to help with the fouling issue for fish.
Would be interesting if heldt got a few starts this year in bigger games to help ensure fish is in the game at the end when he is likely needed most.
If heldt can start, play 10 min, get 5ppg and 4 rebounds, would be nice
Matt Heldt is the new Eric Williams?