1. Du. Came up big in the second half.
2. HE. Big second half but needs to play down low when he's playing against guys 4-5 inches shorter. Got his double double. 6 TOs keeps him from Stud
3. Big Fish. Too many fouls tho.
Though I could reverse these and be ok with it.
Go Warriors
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 09, 2016, 03:04:32 PM
1. Du. Came up big in the second half.
2. HE. Big second half but needs to play down low when he's playing against guys 4-5 inches shorter. Got his double double. 6 TOs keeps him from Stud
3. Big Fish. Too many fouls tho.
Though I could reverse these and be ok with it.
Go Warriors
I agree with this. Was thinking Luke, but then checked the box score and saw that he only had 2 rebounds. Need more than that from a guy 4 inches taller than anyone else on the court.
Du. Will added 5 assists with only 1 TO.
TV guys think it was Traci!??
Ellenson. Double double machine
1) Fish
2) Fish
3) Fish
I agree with Du.
Made plays when they needed them.
DW
Luuuuuuuuuuke. He kept us in it when nobody was down' nothin'.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 09, 2016, 03:07:46 PM
TV guys think it was Traci!??
Honestly, if it wasn't for 5 TOs I'd agree. 6 pts, 8 assists and 4 steals. But 5 TOs from a PG...not acceptable.
Got home with 11 minutes left and MU down 3.... Admittedly a limited sample size but Duane was huge. Henry and Luke looked good too (btw...with Henry...when have we seen MU player double doubles looks so effortless?)
Anyway....we don't win in the second half without Duane.
I think Duane. He lit the fire and hit the big shots to get us back in game and eventually take the lead. I would then go Fishy as he made a good 1-2 punch with Duane. HE had a quiet double double but I times I thought he played soft and had some bad fouls like Fishy. Cheatham is going to be a player for us.
Duane.
Duane. Terrible first half, but when everyone in the BC was chomping their tongues ready to explode, he was the one that ripped the top off the BC.
Swaggy Du - Duane!
Du and Luke were executing when we came back and took the lead. I'm good with either.
Heldt. Came in last five minutes and keep the lead about the same while MU was in trouble and Fischer on bench.
Everyone else in my opinion, no.
Wilson was 5 for 14, but 4 for 9 from three with big threes in second.
Henry, no 15 and 10 though with 6 turnovers including a pass into the stands.
Carter had 8 assists, 4 steals but 5 turnovers
Cheatham had 15, but had shots blocked and 5 turnovers
Cohen, oh no. Two wide open three airballs
Fischer had two rebounds
So, give it to Heldt.
Wilson--11 2nd half points with 3 big 3's at crunch time. 5 assists and only 1 TO. Rest of team had many TO's.
Duane Wilson, great second half.
1. Fischer - despite 3 really stupid fouls
2. Carter - steadied team in 2nd half
3. HE - could be SOTG almost every game
4. Duane - terrrible 1st half; terrific 2nd half
1. Swaggy Du
2. Luke
3. The engine
Gotta be Duane or Luke.
Traci had 2 of the worst TOs I've seen and botched two different 2 on 1s. Once being the guy making the pass and the other trying to get the pass.
Henry bad TOs vs small team.
Duane and luke dominated stretches with their bad play
It's gotta be Duane Wilson.
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 09, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
Got home with 11 minutes left and MU down 3.... Admittedly a limited sample size but Duane was huge. Henry and Luke looked good too (btw...with Henry...when have we seen MU player double doubles looks so effortless?)
Anyway....we don't win in the second half without Duane.
I don't think we win without ellenson or Luke either. Weird feeling when we get a conference win and everyone had huge flaws in their performance. Got to clean it up against the elites of the conference.
FT shooting coach ;D
18-21
Duane his 3's were the spark and kept St. John's from packing it inside. Opened up play for Fish.
Du. Missed shots are at least shots, which are better than 6 TOs (HE). And Luke can't win with 0 defensive rebounds (just 2 offensive).
Quote from: forgetful on January 09, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
Honestly, if it wasn't for 5 TOs I'd agree. 6 pts, 8 assists and 4 steals. But 5 TOs from a PG...not acceptable.
I believe all but one in the first half. He played big in the second. Offense was just better with him on the floor.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 09, 2016, 03:18:04 PM
I don't think we win without ellenson or Luke either. Weird feeling when we get a conference win and everyone had huge flaws in their performance. Got to clean it up against the elites of the conference.
Henry was dominant in the first five or six minutes of the second half.
DW
Duane - if you weren't at the game you don't realize what his 3 threes did for us in that second Half -
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2016, 03:11:15 PM
Duane. Terrible first half, but when everyone in the BC was chomping their tongues ready to explode, he was the one that ripped the top off the BC.
+1.
Changed the attitude in the building, on court and off.
Close call. Luke edges out Duane.
Duane with the big threes.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on January 09, 2016, 03:38:07 PM
Duane - if you weren't at the game you don't realize what his 3 threes did for us in that second Half -
This exactly. I said at least 3-4 times to my wife that the place was ready to explode but circumstances killed us. Dumb turnovers, TV timeouts, every time the BC was ready to blow up the momentum got sucked back out. Duane finally changed everything. And after starting 1/9 with 3 points, he finished 4/5 tallying 11 more. Absolutely changed the momentum, the environment, and the emotion.
1. Luke
2. Duane
3. Double-double
I vote Duane. Luke missed too much time with fouls and didn't rebound or do a good jjob defending the basket. Nobody was end to end good tonight, but Duane was big when the game turned.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 09, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
I vote Duane. Luke missed too much time with fouls and didn't rebound or do a good jjob defending the basket. Nobody was end to end good tonight, but Duane was big when the game turned.
Agree completely
I get the whole momentum change and sparkplug of the run, never quitting thing, but starting 1-9?
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 03:52:58 PM
I get the whole momentum change and sparkplug of the run, never quitting thing, but starting 1-9?
If we're going sparkplug, then Wally with a big 3, and 4 rebounds in 8 min.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 03:52:58 PM
I get the whole momentum change and sparkplug of the run, never quitting thing, but starting 1-9?
I do like the fact that he has a short memory. Doesn't let his bad start dictate how he finishes.
If we only elect studs when we win than the only thig that should matter is who had the greatest effect on is winning the game- out of context stats are only one portion- my vote is simply that of there's one guy on the team that we don't win without it was Duane- great game by Luke- but Duane all day
duane....no explanation for luke having 2 rebounds and being in foul trouble against a small team when it was obvious he was to be the focal point for the MU offense. if we would have lost this game it would have been on him...SOTG's should finish the game...especially considering he drew an easy match-up. heldt has 2 rebounds in 5 min and wally pulled down 4 in 8 min. 2 rebounds is really frustrating...
HE has a ways to go...but his presence on the boards is the only presence MU has.
It actually was a difficult match up for Luke defensively. He was getting attacked off the pick and roll constantly, and SJU would just drive into him if he was still moving. Very NBA like and a good move by Mullin.
Duane despite the rough first half. Got the crowd/team going with his 3s in the second half. Hopefully he can carry this in to next week.
Duane
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 03:52:58 PM
I get the whole momentum change and sparkplug of the run, never quitting thing, but starting 1-9?
Everyone had a fatally flawed game. Luke scored, but was invisible on the glass and picked up 5 fouls outside the paint, unacceptable for a center. Traci had a great line, but turned it over 6 times, and some really ugly and stupid. Henry would have the "next best" case for me but was equally invisible in the first half and looked scared to shoot late with the smaller Johnnies swatting him left and right.
Being in the gym, it had to be Duane for me. He got the crowd into the game and turned the momentum, and as poorly as he started, he finished equally hot. The least offensive fatal flaw to me is the shooter continuing to shoot, especially when his shots made the difference late.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2016, 04:20:03 PM
It actually was a difficult match up for Luke defensively. He was getting attacked off the pick and roll constantly, and SJU would just drive into him if he was still moving. Very NBA like and a good move by Mullin.
don't remember the fouls coming on pick and rolls as much as a lack of awareness of where he was on the court...and the two forwards for st. johns shot 33%. if you can't hedge on a high pick and roll in college bball you won't see the floor much. he has the footwork to do so. the providence game a bad match-up too?
he needed to stay out of foul trouble in this game and couldn't manage to do so, while pulling down 2 rebounds in 26 minutes.
Gotta go with DuW. I know, I know the first half was yucky. But when they go, threes are a wonderful thing. It seemed like he changed the whole momentum.
Forgot to add - HE has another double-double and he's only got a couple of mentions in the STOG discussion. Are we getting spoiled?
Duane. We were DOA until he hit his 3s
D-U-A-N-E!!!!!!!!
Period.
Post it NOW
Duane and Luke both were studs. I would give it to Duane for play down stretch although Luke made critical baskets and had a great feed to Duane so I would be fine if Luke got it.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 09, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Forgot to add - HE has another double-double and he's only got a couple of mentions in the STOG discussion. Are we getting spoiled?
Yes we are, but this game I think it's legitimate. Those tos were brutal
1 Duane
1a Luke
Are we getting jaded?
Double-doubles hardly rate a mention.
Quote from: nyg on January 09, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Heldt. Came in last five minutes and keep the lead about the same while MU was in trouble and Fischer on bench.
Everyone else in my opinion, no.
Wilson was 5 for 14, but 4 for 9 from three with big threes in second.
Henry, no 15 and 10 though with 6 turnovers including a pass into the stands.
Carter had 8 assists, 4 steals but 5 turnovers
Cheatham had 15, but had shots blocked and 5 turnovers
Cohen, oh no. Two wide open three airballsi
Fischer had two rebounds
So, give it to Heldt.
Nyg, Duane made some clutch shots at the end. DuWil, like the rest of the starters, had some major stink today.
I'm going with my boy from Appleton. Matt...SOTG
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 09, 2016, 05:32:15 PM
Tower, Duane made some clutch shots at the end. DuWil, like the rest of the starters, had some major stink today.
I'm going with my boy from Appleton. Matt...SOTG
Tower? Then quoting NYG? Whu?
nm
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
Tower? Then quoting NYG? Whu?
Wachu talkin' about Willis?
Quality edit. BTW, it doesn't matter what we say, Rocky is going to do whatever he damn well pleases somewhere around Monday.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Quality edit. BTW, it doesn't matter what we say, Rocky is going to do whatever he damn well pleases somewhere around Monday.
Despite our scoop membership fees.
Duane
HE had some dumb turnovers in the last 10 minutes. He also sat a long time on the bench in the first half.
Henry, just another double double at the office. Others seemed Uneven.
I can't wait for Traci to put his game together, such a different looking team when he has his moments.
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Are we getting jaded?
Double-doubles hardly rate a mention.
Honestly, double-doubles are rare for MU, we have a history of not having great bigs recently.
But nationwide there are over 30 players AVERAGING a double double. That means close to 10% of teams have a guy that does that every night, day in day out. They aren't as rare as we tend to think they are.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Quality edit. BTW, it doesn't matter what we say, Rocky is going to do whatever he damn well pleases somewhere around Monday.
Not true. I care about what you guys say. Unless you're wrong.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 09, 2016, 06:18:23 PM
Not true. I care about what you guys say. Unless you're wrong.
Has a scooper ever been wrong? ;) nothing but love for ya
Duane Wilson for SOTG.
Wilson....but what's the point....serious Ellenson Man Crush going on here so may has well call it for the season
I can get behind Duane or Luke (nh)
The timing of Duane's shots makes me lean toward him... we needed it and he came through.
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 09, 2016, 07:34:29 PM
Wilson....but what's the point....serious Ellenson Man Crush going on here so may has well call it for the season
I know. It's sooooooo strange that people are excited about our leading scorer and rebounder.
Chick and I can't comment. We're doing the Double Diamonds at Park City and didn't see the game. 2 days so far and I'm so stiff and sore that I can't move. Off day tomorrow. More fresh pow on Monday.
1) Duane - clearly the leader of this team with his passion.
1a) Duane's barber - not nearly enough credit
2) Luke - that hook was working (much to the chagrin of another thread) and he responded to Wojo's call to man up
3) Henry - always
Wilson, the 3s at toward the end prevented, well limited, the packing down low.
Henry, without question. Swaggys contributions were great. But, Henry carried this team inthe second half. Don't think this board really appreciates wat Henry brings to the table.
Duane
Duane, and not even close.
We're losing 53-50 with 10:48 to go when he subs in.
He immediately makes a layup to cut it to 1. He then makes a 3 to put us ahead. After two turnovers by Ellenson and one by Carter, Duane hits a 3 and we never trail again.
He then assists on baskets by Ellenson and Fischer as we go up 67-63.
The man was clutch. Plus he finished with 14 points and 5 assists. And on a day we treated the basketball as if it were covered in Crisco, he had only one turnover.
This is one of the easier SoG calls of the season.
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2016, 10:14:36 PM
Duane, and not even close.
We're losing 53-50 with 10:48 to go when he subs in.
He immediately makes a layup to cut it to 1. He then makes a 3 to put us ahead. After two turnovers by Ellenson and one by Carter, Duane hits a 3 and we never trail again.
He then assists on baskets by Ellenson and Fischer as we go up 67-63.
The man was clutch. Plus he finished with 14 points and 5 assists. And on a day we treated the basketball as if it were covered in Crisco, he had only one turnover.
This is one of the easier SoG calls of the season.
I'll have what he's having,
I agree big threes when we needed them, great clutch shots
Swaggy Du
Henry a close second, but too much "freshmanitis" early in the game.
Wilson. Played hard. Plays like a leader when the game is on the line.
Quote from: forgetful on January 09, 2016, 06:02:57 PM
Honestly, double-doubles are rare for MU, we have a history of not having great bigs recently.
But nationwide there are over 30 players AVERAGING a double double. That means close to 10% of teams have a guy that does that every night, day in day out. They aren't as rare as we tend to think they are.
How many freshmen though? I think it has to be less than 5
I am almost 30 and I can't think of another freshmen who has had the kind of impact HE has had in their freshman year at MU. Not even Wade his freshman year.
Quote from: Coleman on January 11, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
How many freshmen though? I think it has to be less than 5
I am almost 30 and I can't think of another freshmen who has had the kind of impact HE has had in their freshman year at MU. Not even Wade his freshman year.
First, agree with the Duane pick. But as regards to Henry and OVER 30 players averaging over a double-double:
- I only count 27 not over 30 (nit picking agreed)
- only 12 play for high major competition
- of those 12, four are freshmen
Quote from: Coleman on January 11, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
How many freshmen though? I think it has to be less than 5
I am almost 30 and I can't think of another freshmen who has had the kind of impact HE has had in their freshman year at MU. Not even Wade his freshman year.
This board is doing the same thing it always does. It judges players against their outsized expectations. It's the same reason some here actually labelled our leading scorer on an Elite 8 team a "bust."
Quote from: Coleman on January 11, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
How many freshmen though? I think it has to be less than 5
I am almost 30 and I can't think of another freshmen who has had the kind of impact HE has had in their freshman year at MU. Not even Wade his freshman year.
Well, that's only because Wade didn't play his freshman year. He dominated in practice, though, and when he became eligible his sophomore year he was an instant star.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 11, 2016, 09:26:17 AM
Well, that's only because Wade didn't play his freshman year. He dominated in practice, though, and when he became eligible his sophomore year he was an instant star.
I meant Wade's first year of play
Quote from: Coleman on January 11, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
How many freshmen though? I think it has to be less than 5
I am almost 30 and I can't think of another freshmen who has had the kind of impact HE has had in their freshman year at MU. Not even Wade his freshman year.
Oh he is a great player and an unbelievable freshman. A rarity. My point was that a double double in general is not that uncommon.
STOG is regardless of year in the program. So what year they are is irrelevant.
People are assuming that if Henry gets a double double he should automatically get STOG, I would argue that is not the case as close to 30 do that every night, we are just not use to having one of those guys.
Nice to see Duane getting SOTG. He definitely earned it.
Quote from: forgetful on January 11, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
Oh he is a great player and an unbelievable freshman. e to 30 do that every night, we are just not use to having one of those guys.
Looked great in practice.
Just kidding, but DW was not eligible as a freshman.