Big East Starting off the season with some very high quality match ups on Thursday.
Xavier at Villanova
Providence at Butler
We got some nice unconditionally positive press from CBS Sports about this.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25430433/big-east-doubleheader-on-new-years-eve-will-get-your-day-started-right
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 29, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Big East Starting off the season with some very high quality match ups on Friday.
Xavier at Villanova
Providence at Butler
We got some nice unconditionally positive press from CBS Sports about this.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25430433/big-east-doubleheader-on-new-years-eve-will-get-your-day-started-right
Thursday!
The crappy part is that I have to work on Thursday (so I wish it was Fri)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 PM
The crappy part is that I have to work on Thursday (so I wish it was Fri)
MU Scoop is always open. We thank you
I am hoping Georgetown can get a road win over DePaul. Even though I am not a big fan of them, it's better for league an us if they are seen as a quality team.
Georgetown with a solid road win tonight over DePaul. We need to regroup and be ready for them.
Lot of good Big East games tonight . Xavier at Villanova, playing in the Pavillion.Providence at Butler. Both of these should be hard fought.
Creighton St John's at Carnasecca should be an interesting game. Would be good to see creighton get a road win.
Hopefully Wojo and company will watch these games and learn something.
Villanova taking X to the woodshed. Really scary injury to Sumner. Carted off and went straight ti the hospital.
XUScoop must be going nuts right now. Time to fire Chris Mack?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
XUScoop must be going nuts right now. Time to fire Chris Mack?
Beat me to it.
What are everyone's thoughts on Providnce/Butler? Personally, I think Butler runs them over by 15-20. Will tell me a lot about Providence if they're able to keep this one close on the road.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
XUScoop must be going nuts right now. Time to fire Chris Mack?
Wow, talk about a reality check and then some. X fans were riding pretty high and for good reason, and now I have to think their confidence is shaken to say the least. That's downright demoralizing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 31, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
XUScoop must be going nuts right now. Time to fire Chris Mack?
That opening injury was really scary and I believe shell shocked that team....my two cents. Not good seeing your teammate go off with the paramedics on a gurney.
Villanova announced they are ready for Big East play. Obviously tough injury for Xavier to overcome especially in that loud gymnasium. Xavier has to come back and play Butler next so definitely a tough start to season .
Well at least we should get a top 10 road win opportunity next week.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 31, 2015, 03:43:23 PM
Well at least we should get a top 10 road win opportunity next week.
The one good thing about providence is that their tallest player is 6'8" granted I don't know if Fischer can play outside with Bentil but we should have an interior advantage.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 31, 2015, 03:54:09 PM
The one good thing about providence is that their tallest player is 6'8" granted I don't know if Fischer can play outside with Bentil but we should have an interior advantage.
Fischer can't play out there as the Belmont game showed. My guess is we will see more of that hard to identify matchup zone that Wojo has used in the last two games.
Couldn't have been more wrong about Providence. Great win for them.
Road teams 4-1 so far for the Big East.
Welcome to the Big East. It is an urban league.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 31, 2015, 04:11:53 PM
Couldn't have been more wrong about Providence. Great win for them.
Road teams 4-1 so far for the Big East.
I work with a PC grad....he's been saying all year he thinks this is the best team they've had in decades. He might be right.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 31, 2015, 04:11:53 PM
Couldn't have been more wrong about Providence. Great win for them.
Road teams 4-1 so far for the Big East.
Road wins helpful for the league.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 31, 2015, 04:16:14 PM
I work with a PC grad....he's been saying all year he thinks this is the best team they've had in decades. He might be right.
They have a very good coach with good quality players. Looking forward to MU game with them.
I didn't see the Sumner fall, but when I heard about, I flashed back to Carlino. Did anyone who saw the fall see any similarities?
Coach Mack said Sumner flew home with team and was okay. Looks like crisis averted.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2016, 02:07:31 AM
Coach Mack said Sumner flew home with team and was okay. Looks like crisis averted.
Glad to hear he is okay. Hopefully he can play soon .
Will be interesting to see how Villanova fares on the road against Creighton. The sell out crowd will be very loud. I think it would be great if Creighton could pull an upset.
Here is the full Saturday schedule:
10am- DePaul @ Seton Hall, FS1 - Dave Sims, Vin Parise
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/01/three-keys-seton-hall-vs-depaul/78126418/
12pm- #9 Butler @ #6 Xavier, FS1- Joe Davis, Jim Jackson
2:30pm- St. John's @ #12 Providence, FS1- Justin Kutcher, Dickey Simpkins
4:30pm- Marquette @ Georgetown, FS1 - Gus Johnson, Tarik Turner
9pm- #16 Villanova @ Creighton, FS1- Tim Brando, Nick Bahe
Glad we don't have that 10 am game...
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 01, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Here is the full Saturday schedule:
10am- DePaul @ Seton Hall, FS1 - Dave Sims, Vin Parise
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/01/three-keys-seton-hall-vs-depaul/78126418/
12pm- #9 Butler @ #6 Xavier, FS1- Joe Davis, Jim Jackson
2:30pm- St. John's @ #12 Providence, FS1- Justin Kutcher, Dickey Simpkins
4:30pm- Marquette @ Georgetown, FS1 - Gus Johnson, Tarik Turner
9pm- #16 Villanova @ Creighton, FS1- Tim Brando, Nick Bahe
Gus Johnson does some bucks games now but I think he is horrible in the regular season team analyst. He seems like a cheap hype man anytime something semi exciting happens. That doesn't translate as well when you are supposed to be a Bucks analyst and he goes nuts every dunk by the Knicks.
At the end of today either Butler or Xavier will open the conference season 0-2. Will be interesting to see how far they fall in polls. This conference is a Beast.
A win for Seton Hall today puts them at 2-0. Hopefully they get some top 25 votes this week.
Butler benched Dunham and Chrabaz (sp?) to start to game. Down 10 right now.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 01, 2016, 11:45:36 PM
Gus Johnson does some bucks games now but I think he is horrible in the regular season team analyst. He seems like a cheap hype man anytime something semi exciting happens. That doesn't translate as well when you are supposed to be a Bucks analyst and he goes nuts every dunk by the Knicks.
Yeah that's been a very valid complaint of other Bucks fans. Gets more excited about the opposing team when they have big plays. I would think it would get a little better if or when their play improves.
Solid rebound win for Xavier by blowing out Butler.
Providence now 2-10 with win over St. Johns. They looked solid and pulled away after St. Johns made it competitive.
Looking forward to Creighton Villanova game. Should be loud and crazy in Omaha tonight.
Enjoying this Creighton Villanova game. I went to a Creighton game earlier this year and was very impressed with their fan support. They absolutely love being a part of the Big East. Every seat in the house filled and the Blue Jays are hanging in there so far.
Half time 40-35 Villanova
Villanova impressive road win. Hopefully they move up in rankings.
This weeks rankings look good
8. Providence
10. Xavier
11. Villanova
18. Butler
Seton Hall got 4 votes.
The Butler ranking was a sign of respect for the league. They really have a tough early league schedule .
Games Tonight
Marquette at Providence 7 Eastern
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/preview/NCAAB_20160105_MARQET@PROV
Butler at Depaul 8 Eastern
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/preview/NCAAB_20160105_BUTLER@DEPAUL
Georgetown at Creighton 9 Eastern
Would like to see Butler come up with a big win. We want as many Big East teams as possible in top 25.
Probably better for the league if Georgetown wins tonight.
Beating DePaul (even on the road) is not a BIG win.
Losing to DePaul would be a BAAAAADDDDD loss for a top 20 team.
Quality Win for MU tonight helps The Big East.
Butler win over DePaul helpful for Big East , want to keep them in ratings.
Creighton beats Georgetown at home. Great fan support really helps Creighton .
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 31, 2015, 04:16:14 PM
I work with a PC grad....he's been saying all year he thinks this is the best team they've had in decades. He might be right.
Is your co-worker speaking to you this morning?
So for tonights games. I would assume it is best for the conference for Seton Hall and Xavier to come away with wins.
That shouldn't affect Villanova much and would get Seton Hall into the rankings.
I don't follow what you (NY) consider good or helpful for the Big East.
Based upon your reasoning, a ranked team winning is "good" for the Big East.............unless the unranked winning team is Marquette, which apparently is also "good" for the Big East?
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 06, 2016, 10:44:57 AM
I don't follow what you (NY) consider good or helpful for the Big East.
Based upon your reasoning, a ranked team winning is "good" for the Big East.............unless the unranked winning team is Marquette, which apparently is also "good" for the Big East?
My guess is that he means is it is good for the league to get as many teams into the tourney as possible, so whatever results get us there.
The top 4 (Nova, X, Providence, Butler) should all be locks barring epic collapses.
The next three (Seton Hall, Georgetown, and MU) all have the potential to make the tourney through a combo of winning against the bottom three (Creighton, St. John's, DePaul), splitting against the other middle teams, and stealing some wins against the top 4. You could possibly include Creighton in this group as well, but having 4 teams in that middle tier at the end of the season probably hurts the league overall, as we won't get 8 teams in the tourney. Even seven is probably tough, so probably better for the league overall if at least two of this group fades as the season goes--for MU, that means rooting against Creighton, G'town, and the Hall, in that order. For the rest of the league, you probably want to see the Hall to do the best, then MU, then G'town, then Creighton (in terms of signature wins OOC).
So, we want to see St. John's, DePaul, and possibly Creighton all go winless this season except against each other, so that the other seven teams all have a minimum of 6 conference wins.
Then, you want to see the Hall, G'town, and MU steal a few wins against the top 4 to bolster the middle teams' resumes. Although, you may not want them to steal too many, as that might drop one or more of those top teams into the middle tier and potentially out of the Top 25 (which is important for league exposure).
Our win against Providence is good for the league because it elevates our status, while not hurting Providence too much if they can turn around against Creighton on Saturday. If Butler lost last night to DePaul, dropping them to 0-3 to start the season, they likely would have been dropped from Top 25 and would be dropped into the middle tier (especially with their big game against Nova this weekend).
Thank you for the clarification.
For the record, I hope we crush Butler and if that knocks them out of the top 25....so be it.
MU>Big East.
I continue to believe that the BEast is a 6 bid league if the chips fall properly as well documented by Mountain.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 06, 2016, 10:23:35 AM
Butler win over DePaul helpful for Big East , want to keep them in ratings.
Creighton beats Georgetown at home. Great fan support really helps Creighton .
I was surprised by all of the empty seats at the Creighton game last night.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 06, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
I was surprised by all of the empty seats at the Creighton game last night.
The 1k scattered through the upper deck?
CR & SH stepping up. GT really is better than their record. DP & SJ can give people a good game. PV, X and V can be beaten. MU will hang. BT good but 1-2.
BE will be a real tough grind.
Predict: everyone will have 2+ losses at the break, no-one better than 14-4 at the end. and everyone except DP and SJ will be 7-11 or better.
something like:
14 4
13 5
12 6
11 7
10 8
9 9 -- this is MU
8 10
7 11
4 14
2 16
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 06, 2016, 03:14:32 PM
The 1k scattered through the upper deck?
There were probably 100-ish empty seats in the lower bowl on camera the whole game. Really weird.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 06, 2016, 03:14:32 PM
The 1k scattered through the upper deck?
There were plenty of empty seats down low behind the baskets and along the court, in fact so many I commented how those seats look to be nice padded seats vs. the BC seats. I even checked the reported attendance of roughly 16,500 vs. capacity and thought 16,500 is seats sold just like the BC.
Quote from: MUMountin on January 06, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
My guess is that he means is it is good for the league to get as many teams into the tourney as possible, so whatever results get us there.
The top 4 (Nova, X, Providence, Butler) should all be locks barring epic collapses.
The next three (Seton Hall, Georgetown, and MU) all have the potential to make the tourney through a combo of winning against the bottom three (Creighton, St. John's, DePaul), splitting against the other middle teams, and stealing some wins against the top 4. You could possibly include Creighton in this group as well, but having 4 teams in that middle tier at the end of the season probably hurts the league overall, as we won't get 8 teams in the tourney. Even seven is probably tough, so probably better for the league overall if at least two of this group fades as the season goes--for MU, that means rooting against Creighton, G'town, and the Hall, in that order. For the rest of the league, you probably want to see the Hall to do the best, then MU, then G'town, then Creighton (in terms of signature wins OOC).
So, we want to see St. John's, DePaul, and possibly Creighton all go winless this season except against each other, so that the other seven teams all have a minimum of 6 conference wins.
Then, you want to see the Hall, G'town, and MU steal a few wins against the top 4 to bolster the middle teams' resumes. Although, you may not want them to steal too many, as that might drop one or more of those top teams into the middle tier and potentially out of the Top 25 (which is important for league exposure).
Our win against Providence is good for the league because it elevates our status, while not hurting Providence too much if they can turn around against Creighton on Saturday. If Butler lost last night to DePaul, dropping them to 0-3 to start the season, they likely would have been dropped from Top 25 and would be dropped into the middle tier (especially with their big game against Nova this weekend).
This is pretty much along the lines of what I was thinking.
I was kind of hoping Georgetown would have gotten a road win against Creighton. But on the other hand a couple decent Creighton wins makes a future win over them bit more meaningful. So hopefully The Hall can come up with a road win versus them Sunday.
I would really like to see The Big East get 6 bids again this year. So we need the four ranked guys to be rock solid and then the next three to be highly competitive.
Looking for Butler to pick up a win against Villanova this weekend. They have played the tough teams up front and will have a string of easier opponents to beat (except us of course).
This gets into a lot of permutations quickly. At the end of the day,MU needs to hold serve at home and pick off a couple of more road wins.
Xavier had to work hard to beat St.Johns tonight. Shows how hard it is to get a road win in the Big East. The Johnnies are real scrappers.
Villanova won at home against the Hall. Survived a poor shooting night.
Saturday Games
St. Johns at Marquette 1 CT FS Wisconsin etc
Creighton at Seton Hall 1:00 CT FS1
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/08/three-keys-seton-hall-vs-creighton/78500846/
Depaul at Georgetown 11 CT FS1
http://www.casualhoya.com/2016/1/8/10735666/georgetown-hoyas-depaul-blue-demons-game-preview-sleeping-with-the-enemy
It would be best for MU if Seton Hall and Georgetown add to their win totals. If Creighton wins then we need to start watching them closely for signs of tournament viability.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 06, 2016, 10:45:28 PM
Xavier had to work hard to beat St.Johns tonight. Shows how hard it is to get a road win in the Big East. The Johnnies are real scrappers.
Just read that Chris Mack tied Skip Prosser for second all time in Xavier coaching wins in that game with 148. What amazes me is the all time leader at Xavier is Pete Gillen with 202. For comparison, Al had 404 wins at Marquette.
For all our disappointments at being a stepping stone job in the past, Xavier's two winningest coaches both left for better jobs, and Mack has been rumored elsewhere in the past. Mack is still a young coach (46) and would likely pass Gillen if he stays two more years. Crazy to think that for a relatively prominent program and a young coach.
Creighton over Seton Hall, a nice road win for them. Georgetown holds serve at home versus DePaul . Looks like the battle for 5th and 6th in the league is going to be a tough one.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 09, 2016, 05:04:21 PM
Creighton over Seton Hall, a nice road win for them. Georgetown holds serve at home versus DePaul . Looks like the battle for 5th and 6th in the league is going to be a tough one.
I've seen MU fans saying that we should be okay if we sweep SJU, DePaul, and Creighton. My guess is Creighton is thinking the same about us. After today, I'm convinced there are no easy games outside Stetson.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2016, 09:13:18 AM
Just read that Chris Mack tied Skip Prosser for second all time in Xavier coaching wins in that game with 148. What amazes me is the all time leader at Xavier is Pete Gillen with 202. For comparison, Al had 404 wins at Marquette.
For all our disappointments at being a stepping stone job in the past, Xavier's two winningest coaches both left for better jobs, and Mack has been rumored elsewhere in the past. Mack is still a young coach (46) and would likely pass Gillen if he stays two more years. Crazy to think that for a relatively prominent program and a young coach.
Xavier was actually pretty pathetic prior to Gillen. There's a quote from Al about it being important to play cupcakes
like Xavier early in the season.
Since Gillen, the story has been quite different.
Butler key player Roosevelt Jones injured wrist and questionable for tonights game with Villanova.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/butler-bulldogs-roosevelt-jones-questionable-writst-injury-villanova-wildcats-010916
Villanova at Butler 7:30 Eastern FS1
Would be best for MU and Big East if Butler won.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 10, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
Butler key player Roosevelt Jones injured wrist and questionable for tonights game with Villanova.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/butler-bulldogs-roosevelt-jones-questionable-writst-injury-villanova-wildcats-010916
Villanova at Butler 7:30 Eastern FS1
Would be best for MU and Big East if Butler won.
Ehh, I don't want to go into Nova with them just coming off a loss.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 10, 2016, 02:45:37 PM
Xavier was actually pretty pathetic prior to Gillen. There's a quote from Al about it being important to play cupcakes like Xavier early in the season.
Since Gillen, the story has been quite different.
Here is Xaviers record since 1982. Since this time they have been one of the top tier and highly respected programs in College basketball. I was delighted when they selected to be part of the Big East.
Year-by-year breakdown since 1982[edit]
Year Record Conference Postseason Attendance / sellouts
2014–15 23-14 9-9 (Sixth in Big East) NCAA Sweet 16 9,998 (9/16)
2013–14 21-12 10-8 (Third in Big East) NCAA Tournament 9,929 (7/16)
2012–13 17-14 9-7 (Sixth in A–10) 9,781
2011–12 21-12 10-6 (T-Third in A–10) NCAA Sweet 16 10,154 (10/16)
2010–11 24–8 15–1 (First in A–10) NCAA Tournament 10,098 (9/16)
2009–10 26–9 14–2 (T–First in A–10) NCAA Sweet 16 10,123 (7/15)
2008–09 27–8 12–4 (First in A–10) NCAA Sweet 16 10,097 1/15)
2007–08 30–7 14–2 (First in A–10) NCAA Elite Eight 10,008 (9/17)
2006–07 25–9 13–3 (T–First in A–10) NCAA Second Round 9,910 (5/15)
2005–06 21–11 8–8 (T–Seventh in A–10)* NCAA Tournament 9,775 (4/15)
2004–05 17–12 10–6 (T–Second in A–10 West) 10,027 (7/16)
2003–04 26–11 10–6 (T–Third in A–10 West)* NCAA Elite Eight 9,902 (8/16)
2002–03 26–6 15–1 (First in A–10 West) NCAA Second Round 10,181 (14/15)
2001–02 26–6 14–2 (First in A–10 West)* NCAA Second Round 10,224 (13/14)
2000–01 21–8 12–4 (T–Second in A–10) NCAA Tournament 10,072 (12/14)
1999–00 21–12 9–7 (T–Second in A–10 West) NIT Second Round 9,072 (4/15)
1998–99 25–11 12–4 (Second in A–10 West) NIT Third Place 9,540 (6/16)
1997–98 22–8 11–5 (T–First in A–10 West)* NCAA Tournament 9,924 (10/14)
1996–97 23–6 13–3 (First in A–10 West) NCAA Second Round 9,436 (5/14)
1995–96 13–15 8–8 (Third in A–10 West) 8,871 (5/14)
1994–95 23–5 14–0 (First in MCC) NCAA Tournament 8,201(2/14)
1993–94 22–8 8–2 (First in MCC) NIT Quarterfinals 6,943 (1/16)
1992–93 24–6 12–2 (T–First in MCC) NCAA Second Round 7,236 (1/13)
1991–92 15–12 7–3 (T–Second in MCC) 8,296 (1/14)
1990–91 22–10 11–3 (First in MCC)* NCAA Second Round 6,812 (1/15)
1989–90 28–5 12–2 (First in MCC) NCAA Sweet 16 7,757 (2/14)
1988–89 21–12 7–5 (Third in MCC)* NCAA Tournament 4,411 (0/15)
1987–88 26–4 9–1 (First in MCC)* NCAA Tournament 5,853 (1/15)
1986–87 19–13 7–5 (T–Third in MCC)* NCAA Second Round 3,213 (0/15)
1985–86 25–5 10–2 (First in MCC)* NCAA Tournament 5,171 (1/14)
1984–85 16–13 7–7 (Fifth in MCC) 4,644 (0/13)
1983–84 22–11 9–5 (Third in MCC) NIT Quarterfinals 4,78(0/15)
1982–83 22–8 10–4 (T–Second in MCC)* NCAA Tournament 3,002 (0/15)
"*"Indicates won conference tournament championship.
Home Court[edit]
Xavier plays its home games at the Cintas Center, a 10,250 seat multi-purpose arena
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 10, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
Butler key player Roosevelt Jones injured wrist and questionable for tonights game with Villanova.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/butler-bulldogs-roosevelt-jones-questionable-writst-injury-villanova-wildcats-010916
Villanova at Butler 7:30 Eastern FS1
Would be best for MU and Big East if Butler won.
Roosevelt Jones in line up tonight. Butler crowd fired up tonight .
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 10, 2016, 06:56:38 PM
Roosevelt Jones in line up tonight. Butler crowd fired up tonight .
Exciting game - March-like intensity!
Quote from: THRILLHO on January 10, 2016, 07:09:16 PM
Exciting game - March-like intensity!
Villanova wins. Butler had chance to tie but missed 3 pointer.
This weeks rankings are good for Big East again.
6. Villanova
7. Xavier
12. Providence
23. Butler
Butler has drawn a tough early schedule so they have an opportunity to work their way back up.
We want as many of these times as highly ranked as possible. That way when we beat them it is considered a quality win. Basically rooting for them until they play us.
Really curious to see what happens between Creighton and Providence tonight. Creighton coming off an impressive road win thereby announcing themselves as contenders in the BE and Providence coming off the underwhelming loss to our boys.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 12, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
Really curious to see what happens between Creighton and Providence tonight. Creighton coming off an impressive road win thereby announcing themselves as contenders in the BE and Providence coming off the underwhelming loss to our boys.
I hope PC gives them a shellacking
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 12, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
Really curious to see what happens between Creighton and Providence tonight. Creighton coming off an impressive road win thereby announcing themselves as contenders in the BE and Providence coming off the underwhelming loss to our boys.
Sorry to nitpick but beating the Hall in a game where their three studs were benched for 60% of the second half doesn't exactly scream title contender to me. And certainly not 10 days into January.
Creighton is better then the basement they were predicted to be living in but they aren't winning this conference.
Creighton won't win the league, but they are a legit tourney contender. I think the Big East has an outside chance at 7 teams this year.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 12, 2016, 02:45:30 PM
Sorry to nitpick but beating the Hall in a game where their three studs were benched for 60% of the second half doesn't exactly scream title contender to me. And certainly not 10 days into January.
Creighton is better then the basement they were predicted to be living in but they aren't winning this conference.
I didn't realize that. And I certainly didn't mean to imply that Creighton could win the conference. "Contender" was just expression to convey that they can probably play with anyone in the league.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 10, 2016, 02:45:37 PM
Xavier was actually pretty pathetic prior to Gillen. There's a quote from Al about it being important to play cupcakes like Xavier early in the season.
Since Gillen, the story has been quite different.
Now we're the cupcake.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2016, 03:35:17 PM
Creighton won't win the league, but they are a legit tourney contender. I think the Big East has an outside chance at 7 teams this year.
I don't think we will be one of them.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 12, 2016, 04:37:54 PM
I don't think we will be one of them.
For the league to have a shot at 7, we would need DePaul and St. John's to suck bad (combine for 32+ losses) and one other team to be pretty bad (12 losses). That would allow for 7 teams to go 9-9 or better. If the right teams (Butler, Providence) went 9-9 it'd be possible. The problem is that third bad team would likely have to be one of Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton, or Seton Hall. Doesn't look like it will be Creighton or the Hall, so I'm really hoping it's Georgetown ;D
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 12, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
Really curious to see what happens between Creighton and Providence tonight. Creighton coming off an impressive road win thereby announcing themselves as contenders in the BE and Providence coming off the underwhelming loss to our boys.
I am looking forward to Creighton Providence as well. Should be a good environment.
Xavier comfortably beating Depaul.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
For the league to have a shot at 7, we would need DePaul and St. John's to suck bad (combine for 32+ losses) and one other team to be pretty bad (12 losses). That would allow for 7 teams to go 9-9 or better. If the right teams (Butler, Providence) went 9-9 it'd be possible. The problem is that third bad team would likely have to be one of Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton, or Seton Hall. Doesn't look like it will be Creighton or the Hall, so I'm really hoping it's Georgetown ;D
This time last year it didn't look like Seton hall would be missing the tourney, either. Maybe someone will again suggest that Whitehead isn't the second coming of LeBron and the locker room will again implode.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 12, 2016, 06:52:48 PM
This time last year it didn't look like Seton hall would be missing the tourney, either. Maybe someone will again suggest that Whitehead isn't the second coming of LeBron and the locker room will again implode.
Definitely possible, but I can't see that level of collapse again. They might miss the tourney, but I think they'll at least be in the 8-10 win range.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
For the league to have a shot at 7, we would need DePaul and St. John's to suck bad (combine for 32+ losses) and one other team to be pretty bad (12 losses). That would allow for 7 teams to go 9-9 or better. If the right teams (Butler, Providence) went 9-9 it'd be possible. The problem is that third bad team would likely have to be one of Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton, or Seton Hall. Doesn't look like it will be Creighton or the Hall, so I'm really hoping it's Georgetown ;D
I think your analysis is pretty accurate. 7 would have been more attainable if Georgetown would have performed better in the non conference. They are going to need to beat U Conn when they get the chance.
Will be interesting to see how Creighton defends their home court tonight. They already have two road wins.
Great Finish. Watson with a great basket and then Dunn came back at the last second and made the winning shot for Providence.
Big East represented very well.
Looking forward to our game out at Creighton and rematch with Providence.
That game was so similar to ours against Providence. Creighton took control early while PC played like crap, but couldn't hit any shots to put it out of reach. PC climbs back late and takes the lead. Dunn takes the last shot, but since he wasn't triple teamed the ball finds a way to go in.
CR and PV was ugly. We can beat CR. They have great frenetic help defense though. They will turn us over.
I wonder if its something about tht creighton gym or rims or whatever....no one could hit a shot until the end. Weird.
Im glad PV won though they are not what everyone thinks they are.
10-8 WILL get us in the tourney. Because top 5 BE will go and #6 if 10-8 will go too. Too many people worried about the RPI...reminds me of Y2K...
I've heard of "shooter's touch," but that bounce Dunn got was amazing. I at first thought it had been tipped in because I didn't think there was any way Dunn's shot -- which actually was quite a bit off -- had gone in.
It was like, "thud ... ummmm ... ok ... I'll go in."
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 12, 2016, 09:43:57 PM
Great Finish. Watson with a great basket and then Dunn came back at the last second and made the winning shot for Providence.
Big East represented very well.
Looking forward to our game out at Creighton and rematch with Providence.
Don't know if I'd agree this game was a good representation of the Big East--maybe the end, but the first half was pretty atrocious. The score was 3-0 until something like 6 minutes in. Teams were like 0-20 for a stretch there. Ugly start to the game.
Quote from: MU82 on January 12, 2016, 11:06:27 PM
I've heard of "shooter's touch," but that bounce Dunn got was amazing. I at first thought it had been tipped in because I didn't think there was any way Dunn's shot -- which actually was quite a bit off -- had gone in.
It was like, "thud ... ummmm ... ok ... I'll go in."
Agreed--I thought he clanged it off the back of the rim, and was confused when the ball somehow went in. Amazingly soft touch to get that to fall in the way that he did.
https://www.youtube.com/v/lKndf7pgYFQ&feature=youtu.be&t=102
Action starts at 1:42
Solid win for Georgetown tonight. They are now 4-1 in conference. I think the next key event for them is to secure a win over U Conn. Would be very helpful to the conference.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 12, 2016, 04:36:42 PM
Now we're the cupcake.
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"NOM NOM NOM NOM"
-Xavier
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 14, 2016, 12:16:50 AM
Solid win for Georgetown tonight. They are now 4-1 in conference. I think the next key event for them is to secure a win over U Conn. Would be very helpful to the conference.
Eh,I don't think beating a team flirting with an RPI over 200 (197) is a solid win. Though, I see your point--conference road win.
Georgetown's 4-1 conference record is about as indicative as Butler's 1-3 conference record. Their wins are over DePaul 2X, SJU, and us.
Rubber meets the road soon for those boys. We'll see what they're made of.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 14, 2016, 08:44:49 AM
Eh,I don't think beating a team flirting with an RPI over 200 (197) is a solid win. Though, I see your point--conference road win.
Georgetown's 4-1 conference record is about as indicative as Butler's 1-3 conference record. Their wins are over DePaul 2X, SJU, and us.
Rubber meets the road soon for those boys. We'll see what they're made of.
Precisely. Through the luck of a computer, Hoyas land DePaul twice in 10 days to start the season. Marquette would be 4-1 as well with that schedule. Except for DePaul and St. John's the early season table position means nothing until January 31.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 14, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
Precisely. Through the luck of a computer, Hoyas land DePaul twice in 10 days to start the season. Marquette would be 4-1 as well with that schedule. Except for DePaul and St. John's the early season table position means nothing until January 31.
I think it helps the Big East to have Georgetown rack up a few easy wins and get a decent early conference record to offset their non conference woes . Marquee Value of the Georgetown name is still worth something in many peoples eyes.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 14, 2016, 05:50:49 PM
I think it helps the Big East to have Georgetown rack up a few easy wins and get a decent early conference record to offset their non conference woes . Marquee Value of the Georgetown name is still worth something in many peoples eyes.
When they finish 7-11 in conference with a losing overall record, it will probably lose some of that luster.
I'll say this...if we have any even slight NCAA aspirations, we need Georgetown just as surely as we need to beat DePaul and St. John's.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 14, 2016, 05:55:06 PM
When they finish 7-11 in conference with a losing overall record, it will probably lose some of that luster.
I'll say this...if we have any even slight NCAA aspirations, we need Georgetown just as surely as we need to beat DePaul and St. John's.
We definitely need to beat Georgetown. That is why I want them to rack up wins before we beat them.
Butler handling St. Johns easily.
Solid win by Villanova over Georgetown. Seton Hall puts on a good first half performance against Providence. Lets see if they can hold it.
Seton Hall big road win versus Providence
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 16, 2016, 05:47:19 PM
Seton Hall big road win versus Providence
PC looking more like a fringe Top 25 team.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 14, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
Precisely. Through the luck of a computer, Hoyas land DePaul twice in 10 days to start the season. Marquette would be 4-1 as well with that schedule. Except for DePaul and St. John's the early season table position means nothing until January 31.
I question whether MU is good enough to sweep DePaul
Quote from: bilsu on January 16, 2016, 06:26:35 PM
I question whether MU is good enough to sweep DePaul
Tomorrow is a good day for the whole coaching staff to go and watch the Creighton DePaul game. Scout both teams at the same time.
Creighton solid win over DePaul. Their third league road victory.
We have an opportunity to pad our results the next three games. Need to make the most of it.
Here are the Big East RPI's
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/4
MU has a lot of work to do.
Ratings just came out
4. Villanova
5. Xavier
16. Providence
18. Butler
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 18, 2016, 12:35:46 PM
Here are the Big East RPI's
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/4
MU has a lot of work to do.
Easy to get discouraged over the last two games, but we did play arguably the two best teams in the country as we continue to develop.
Whether MU does well or not... a couple of teams have got to give in the BE.
I see Butler and Providence taking a hit in the BE....3-6 and 4-5 respectively at the half.
Of course I am optimistically calling it 5-4 for MU. :)
Cbssportline bracketology
Xavier, 1 seed
Villanova, 1 seed
Providence, 3 seed
Butler, 6 seed
Seton Hall, 10 seed
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 18, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
Cbssportline bracketology
Xavier, 1 seed
Villanova, 1 seed
Providence, 3 seed
Butler, 6 seed
Seton Hall, 10 seed
The Hall lost to the best team on their non-con schedule and two of their three conference wins have come against the bottom of the league. crap, this NCAA Tournament is fast becoming a participation trophy event.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 18, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
The Hall lost to the best team on their non-con schedule and two of their three conference wins have come against the bottom of the league. crap, this NCAA Tournament is fast becoming a participation trophy event.
Look at it this way, If we win our next three we will be 15-6. Then The Hall can point to their win over MU as a quality win.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 18, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
The Hall lost to the best team on their non-con schedule and two of their three conference wins have come against the bottom of the league. crap, this NCAA Tournament is fast becoming a participation trophy event.
The key is SH has zero bad losses which is key. Beat Wichita State, Ole Miss and Georgia in the non-conference. Winning on the road at Providence was huge.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 18, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
crap, this NCAA Tournament is fast becoming a participation trophy event.
I hope we get one of those participation trophies and get a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
A couple Big East stats that I found interesting:
Home teams in Big East play are only 12-16.
There's been only 2 games decided by 3 points or less or overtime (Marquette at Providence, Providence at Creighton).
Providence and Butler in a tough battle great game.
Great finish. Providence won 71-68 . Butler had two chances at three pointers at the end to tie but missed.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 18, 2016, 09:10:08 PM
The key is SH has zero bad losses which is key. Beat Wichita State, Ole Miss and Georgia in the non-conference. Winning on the road at Providence was huge.
We, Marquette, have zero losses against teams that are projected to finish below 100 RPI
Georgetown is lights out over Xavier right now, leading by 11 with 10 minutes left. X is not shooting nearly as well as they did on Saturday.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 19, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Georgetown is lights out over Xavier right now, leading by 11 with 10 minutes left. X is not shooting nearly as well as they did on Saturday.
Looks like Georgetown is maintaining the lead up 9 with 4:34 left
Georgetown quality win over Xavier. Very physical play tonight. Tre Campbell had a big night.
Villanova at Seton Hall 9 pm eastern
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/20/three-keys-seton-hall-vs-no-4-villanova/79047618/
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 20, 2016, 05:18:38 PM
Villanova at Seton Hall 9 pm eastern
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/01/20/three-keys-seton-hall-vs-no-4-villanova/79047618/
Wow, CBS Sports Net was lucky to nab that game from FS1
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 20, 2016, 07:40:40 PM
Wow, CBS Sports Net was lucky to nab that game from FS1
Good game Villanova up at half 35-33
Villanova won 72-71 over Seton Hall. Last minute of the game was wild and woolly. I think that is the way things are going to keep going in this league.
Saturdays Schedule Central Time
11:00 - Georgetown @ Connecticut, CBS - Ian Eagle, Jim Spanarkel
1:00 - Seton Hall @ 5 Xavier, FSN - Steve Physioc, Dickey Simpkins
6:30 - 18 Butler @ Creighton, FS1 - Justin Kutcher, Nick Bahe
7:00 - Marquette @ St. John's, CBSSN - Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas
Georgetown lets the league down with a loss to U Conn. Solid win by Xavier over The Hall.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Georgetown lets the league down with a loss to U Conn. Solid win by Xavier over The Hall.
Figure Georgetown is a long shot to get in now. 6 non-con losses, if they go 11-7 or worse that's 14 losses if they don't win the BET. Those losses to Radford and Asheville won't help matters either.
Creighton nice win over Butler. Maurice Watson is a high quality point guard. Creighton now 5-2 in Conference. Butler joins us at 2-5.....
So--this is good for the league or bad?
It's good--Creighton wins against a big east foe and they improve their tourney resume.......
It's bad--Butler really needed to win and remain in the top 25....or the betterment of the league of course.
My point is this is the Beast--when Georgetown and Creighton had several losses OOC early on in the season you suggested it would be best for the league if those who were winning continued to win. Cream rises--every team goes through the grind......twice.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 23, 2016, 10:26:31 PM
So--this is good for the league or bad?
It's good--Creighton wins against a big east foe and they improve their tourney resume.......
It's bad--Butler really needed to win and remain in the top 25....or the betterment of the league of course.
My point is this is the Beast--when Georgetown and Creighton had several losses OOC early on in the season you suggested it would be best for the league if those who were winning continued to win. Cream rises--every team goes through the grind......twice.
That is what is great about this league double round robin . There are no easy wins.
The more I watch Creighton the more I like them. Their transfer point guard is really coming on strong now.
Butler probably out of top 25 unless they go on a winning streak.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 24, 2016, 09:07:37 AM
That is what is great about this league double round robin . There are no easy wins.
The more I watch Creighton the more I like them. Their transfer point guard is really coming on strong now.
Butler probably out of top 25 unless they go on a winning streak.
McBuckets Sr. has rebuilt a senior team after one down year. Creighton was a great add to the BE with their fan base.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
McBuckets Sr. has rebuilt a senior team after one down year. Creighton was a great add to the BE with their fan base.
Didn't think he could do it, I'm wrong again.
I like Creighton and root for them, except for when thye play MU. Watching the game last night I started thinking about the second half of the season and how things often change. I could see Butler going 6-3 and Creighton going 3-6.
Providence big overtime win over Villanova. This league is tough.
This weeks poll
6. Villanova
7. Xavier
10.Providence
As expected Butler fell out of poll but did get votes.
League looking good.
So top 6 of the last two years of 10 team BE play:
| Tourney? | 2013-2014 | BE | BET | NonCon | Overall |
| X | Villanova | 16-2 | 0-1 | 12-1 | 28-4 |
| X | Creighton | 14-4 | 2-1 | 10-2 | 26-7 |
| X | Providence | 10-8 | 3-0 | 10-3 | 23-11 |
| X | Xavier | 10-8 | 1-1 | 10-3 | 21-12 |
| St John's | 10-8 | 0-1 | 10-3 | 20-12 |
| Marquette | 9-9 | 0-1 | 8-5 | 17-15 |
| | | | | |
| 2014-2015 | | | | |
| X | Villanova | 16-2 | 3-0 | 13-0 | 32-2 |
| X | Butler | 12-6 | 0-1 | 10-3 | 22-10 |
| X | Georgetown | 12-6 | 1-1 | 8-3 | 21-10 |
| X | Providence | 11-7 | 1-1 | 10-3 | 22-11 |
| X | St John's | 10-8 | 0-1 | 11-2 | 21-11 |
| X | Xavier | 9-9 | 2-1 | 10-3 | 21-13 |
Lots more to it than record...quality wins, RPI, recent games...but I can see 6 BE teams getting in Tourney at 9-9 and above though I think MU needs 10-8 (I'm still hoping :) )
Quote from: jsheim on January 25, 2016, 05:05:04 PM
So top 6 of the last two years of 10 team BE play:
| Tourney? | 2013-2014 | BE | BET | NonCon | Overall |
| X | Villanova | 16-2 | 0-1 | 12-1 | 28-4 |
| X | Creighton | 14-4 | 2-1 | 10-2 | 26-7 |
| X | Providence | 10-8 | 3-0 | 10-3 | 23-11 |
| X | Xavier | 10-8 | 1-1 | 10-3 | 21-12 |
| St John's | 10-8 | 0-1 | 10-3 | 20-12 |
| Marquette | 9-9 | 0-1 | 8-5 | 17-15 |
| | | | | |
| 2014-2015 | | | | |
| X | Villanova | 16-2 | 3-0 | 13-0 | 32-2 |
| X | Butler | 12-6 | 0-1 | 10-3 | 22-10 |
| X | Georgetown | 12-6 | 1-1 | 8-3 | 21-10 |
| X | Providence | 11-7 | 1-1 | 10-3 | 22-11 |
| X | St John's | 10-8 | 0-1 | 11-2 | 21-11 |
| X | Xavier | 9-9 | 2-1 | 10-3 | 21-13 |
Lots more to it than record...quality wins, RPI, recent games...but I can see 6 BE teams getting in Tourney at 9-9 and above though I think MU needs 10-8 (I'm still hoping :) )
Good analysis .I agree with you.
Quote from: jsheim on January 25, 2016, 05:05:04 PMI can see 6 BE teams getting in Tourney at 9-9 and above though I think MU needs 10-8 (I'm still hoping :) )
It all depends on who finishes where. Marquette needs 11-7 and at least one at MSG to be a lock. Creighton and Georgetown also likely need 11 wins in league to have a good shot at getting in. Seton Hall would likely get there with 10 while 8 would be enough for Butler and Providence. Villanova and Xavier are practically locks already. 7-8 wins for either should be more than enough to get them in.
Good games tonight
Creighton at Georgetown
Xavier at Providence
"This Big East Conference is a bear," Ed Cooley said. "You have to knuckle up every game and make sure you're detailed and disciplined."
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 26, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Good games tonight
Creighton at Georgetown
Xavier at Providence
"This Big East Conference is a bear," Ed Cooley said. "You have to knuckle up every game and make sure you're detailed and disciplined."
Total Creighton collapse against Georgetown. They had that game won.
Ya, 11 point lead with about two minutes left and lose.
Very entertaining second half between X and Providence.
X built nice lead, Providence rallied to make X sweat, X held on to win despite Farr and Bluiett both fouling out.
X is the Big East's best FF prospect, IMHO. No real weakness, great balance and depth, nice size, can score in lots of ways, defends well. Also well-coached.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
It all depends on who finishes where. Marquette needs 11-7 and at least one at MSG to be a lock.
You keep saying this, but you're wrong. If MU gets to 11-7 (they won't), they'll be safely in the field.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 27, 2016, 08:24:05 AM
Total Creighton collapse against Georgetown. They had that game won.
DSR is a helluva clutch player for Georgetown.
Xavier is a very strong team.
6:00 PM Central Depaul at Butler - CBS Sports
6:00 PM Central St. Johns at Seton Hall - FS1
8:00 PM Central Stetson at Marquette -FS1
Butler and Seton Hall wins would be helpful for our cause.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 27, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
6:00 PM Central Depaul at Butler - CBS Sports
6:00 PM Central St. Johns at Seton Hall - FS1
8:00 PM Central Stetson at Marquette -FS1
Butler and Seton Hall wins would be helpful for our cause.
I don't see it.
If both Butler and Seton Hall win, we wind up tied for 7th with Butler and a game behind Seton Hall.
If they both lose, we're tied for 6th with Seton Hall and a full game ahead of 8th place Butler.
I think DePaul and St. Johns wins would be most helpful for our cause.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 27, 2016, 01:22:06 PM
I don't see it.
If both Butler and Seton Hall win, we wind up tied for 7th with Butler and a game behind Seton Hall.
If they both lose, we're tied for 6th with Seton Hall and a full game ahead of 8th place Butler.
I think DePaul and St. Johns wins would be most helpful for our cause.
I assume he meant the general Big East's cause. Considering where we are, the only thing that matters to MU right now is the games we play. I'm not too worried about other conference games with regards to how it affects us.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 27, 2016, 01:22:06 PM
I don't see it.
If both Butler and Seton Hall win, we wind up tied for 7th with Butler and a game behind Seton Hall.
If they both lose, we're tied for 6th with Seton Hall and a full game ahead of 8th place Butler.
I think DePaul and St. Johns wins would be most helpful for our cause.
We want the Big East to have as many quality teams as possible. St. Johns and DePaul have no shot at tournament. Also we have already played St. Johns twice.
At this point we have to win as many as possible and hope the teams we beat are considered quality wins. So to that end Seton Hall and Butler having good resumes helps us if we beat them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
It all depends on who finishes where. Marquette needs 11-7 and at least one at MSG to be a lock. Creighton and Georgetown also likely need 11 wins in league to have a good shot at getting in. Seton Hall would likely get there with 10 while 8 would be enough for Butler and Providence. Villanova and Xavier are practically locks already. 7-8 wins for either should be more than enough to get them in.
I think 10-8 with 2 BET wins would do it as well. That'd give us an estimated RPI of 54 and 23 wins. That should be enough.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 27, 2016, 02:32:55 PM
I think 10-8 with 2 BET wins would do it as well. That'd give us an estimated RPI of 54 and 23 wins. That should be enough.
Agreed. Any combination of 23 wins should make us a lock. The only worry there is we are counting on the committee to value conference tourney games. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Butler and the Hall with solid wins boosting their records.
Looking forward to playing Butler . Should be a fun game.
DePaul gave them a game for about 15 minutes but eventually Xavier pulled away and won.
Great game between Providence and Georgetown tonight , Providence wins.
Seton Hall with a big road victory over Creighton.
We have to keep taking it one game at a time. This league is a bear.
We have a half of season to go yet, but it will be interesting to see how many bids the league actually gets. Creighton seems to be sliding and Butler is running out of time. I think there would be four bids if the selection date was today. Villinova, Xaver, Providence and the winner of the 4-5 game between Georgetown and Seton Hall. I could see six if Georgetwon, Seton Hall and Creighton go 5-4 or better in the the second half. Butler would need to go 6-3, which will not be easy. 6-3 might get MU a bid, but certainly it would be to the first round play in game.
Quote from: bilsu on January 31, 2016, 11:39:45 AM
We have a half of season to go yet, but it will be interesting to see how many bids the league actually gets. Creighton seems to be sliding and Butler is running out of time. I think there would be four bids if the selection date was today. Villinova, Xaver, Providence and the winner of the 4-5 game between Georgetown and Seton Hall. I could see six if Georgetwon, Seton Hall and Creighton go 5-4 or better in the the second half. Butler would need to go 6-3, which will not be easy. 6-3 might get MU a bid, but certainly it would be to the first round play in game.
The BE will get a minimum of 5 teams. I guarantee it and will gladly bet on it.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 31, 2016, 11:46:25 AM
The BE will get a minimum of 5 teams. I guarantee it and will gladly bet on it.
I was talking at this point in time. Georgetown has a bad non-conference record, which would hurt them if they lost the first Big East tournament game. 15 win Seton Hall also would need to win the first round game to guarantee a bid. Therefore, today one would likely be in and one would likely be out in out. Now if both teams go 5-4 or better in the second half their resumes get stronger and they are both in. However, I am thinking one at least one of them does worse than 5-4 and I hope our games against those two are one of the reasons why they fall. Of course if we lose both games, it becomes much more likely that both get bids.
The way I keep looking at it is we gotta get a top 6 finish in conference to have any chance. Whether that's to win the league. Or at least get a decent win to sit back on.
Right now we're 1 game behind to Creighton and SHU
So Wednesday is massive to get out of 7th.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
The way I keep looking at it is we gotta get a top 6 finish in conference to have any chance. Whether that's to win the league. Or at least get a decent win to sit back on.
Right now we're 1 game behind to Creighton and SHU
So Wednesday is massive to get out of 7th.
For NCAA purposes, about as close as one can get to a MUST win.
Number of bids will be interesting. Xavier, Villanova, and Providence are virtual locks already.
Seton Hall is probably the best bet for the fourth, as they probably need to go 10-8 and have five home games, as well as DePaul and St John's on the road.
Butler's great non-con means they can get in at 8-10, but that would still require a 5-4 finish from a team who only has league wins over DePaul and St John's so far.
Creighton is one of three teams that needs to go 11-7 to feel good about their chances. They only have 4 home games left (including DePaul and St John's) but have been road warriors (3-1 on the road in league).
Georgetown's 7-6 non-con record and bad losses put them in the 11-7 crew too. They also only have one game left against the bottom two. Another concern at 11-7 is they'll have 14 losses for an at large. Not impossible, but like MU, 11-7 will have them sweating a little come Selection Sunday.
We're the last team with a chance. I stand by total wins being the best indicator. 21 or less and we're out. 22 on the bubble, and 23+ makes us a lock.
I think we probably get five this year, but if things break right, I could see 6-7 being possible.
Villanova wins in MSG over the Johnnies. Close game for a half.
Our upcoming game with Seton Hall is critical for both teams.
We need a good local turn out of MU fans.
3. Villanova
6. Xavier
11. Providence
Our top three in the league are well respected in the AP poll.
Butler still got a few votes in the coaches poll.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 01, 2016, 03:13:34 PM
3. Villanova
6. Xavier
11. Providence
Our top three in the league are well respected in the AP poll.
Butler still got a few votes in the coaches poll.
Butler is the personification of why the Big East is so tough. They are a pretty-to-really-good team and they're 3-6 through nine games.
Big East Games tonight
Georgetown at Butler 6:00 Central FS1
Providence at Depaul 8:00 Central FS1
Would like to see Butler pick up a win. Make our win over them more valuable. So their win would be helpful to the MU cause. Would like to see Providence win, helpful for overall Big East cause.
At this point the best Marquette can hope for is that the league becomes a total cluster after Nova/Xavier. I suspect, in the end, no matter if they pick up even more impressive wins like the neturals they have in November and the roadies in Madison and Providence they won't be able to overcome the dreadful loss to DePaul both in record and perception.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 02, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
At this point the best Marquette can hope for is that the league becomes a total cluster after Nova/Xavier. I suspect, in the end, no matter if they pick up even more impressive wins like the neturals they have in November and the roadies in Madison and Providence they won't be able to overcome the dreadful loss to DePaul both in record and perception.
Not a good loss, but not dreadful either--we can also ease the sting with a win on the road against them. Western Illinois is a dreadful loss.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 02, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Not a good loss, but not dreadful either--we can also ease the sting with a win on the road against them. Western Illinois is a dreadful loss.
I agree its not dreadful, but the difference betwen 4-5 and 5-4 is huge.
Quote from: Coleman on February 02, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
I agree its not dreadful, but the difference betwen 4-5 and 5-4 is huge.
Agreed. To drop a home game against arguably the worst team in a very competitive conference is difficult to swallow. This team has been working its tail off to hover around .500. The fact that they could have been 5-4 is actually quite remarkable given the circumstances.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 02, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Not a good loss, but not dreadful either--we can also ease the sting with a win on the road against them. Western Illinois is a dreadful loss.
DePaul has been the worst program in the conference for the past 10 years. Arguably the worst program the Big East conference has ever had. Up a basket with eight seconds to go and losing in regulation is dreadful.
Unless there is a drastic change in form, Marquette will be lucky to finish 10-8. All the numbers surrounding a 10-8 won't be good enough. Take away that dreadful DePaul loss and it'd be 11-7. One win in the Garden, Marquette is dancing.
It was dreadful.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 02, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Not a good loss, but not dreadful either--we can also ease the sting with a win on the road against them. Western Illinois is a dreadful loss.
It is a dreadful loss, because MU's schedule gave it no room to lose games like Belmont and DePaul. MU is directly behind the eight ball, because they put themself there. As far as DePaul being the worse team, I do not even think they are close to St. John's ineptitude and they did finish ahead of MU last year. A sweep of St. John's and MU would have them tied with us in the standings ignoring the outcomes of the other remaining games.
OK. It was dreadful.
Kelan Martin having another big game tonight for Butler against Georgetown. Butler maintaining a good lead most of the night so far up 13 with 7 minutes left.
Looking forward to our rematch with Butler at Hinkle.
Kelan Martin ended up 35 points 8 rebounds 4 blocks . Butler wins 87-76.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 08:18:21 PM
Kelan Martin ended up 35 points 8 rebounds 4 blocks . Butler wins 87-76.
Woof, have yourself a game young fella.
Bentil with an ankle injury midway through first half. Bad news for Providence if he is seriously hurt. A good kid hopefully he recovers.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 08:42:37 PM
Bentil with an ankle injury midway through first half. Bad news for Providence if he is seriously hurt. A good kid hopefully he recovers.
Next Thursday
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 08:42:37 PM
Bentil with an ankle injury midway through first half. Bad news for Providence if he is seriously hurt. A good kid hopefully he recovers.
He's out with foul trouble now. Looks fine to me
Our bad conference loss may not look as bad, but our best win is not going to look as good the way this game is going.
Depaul up two under 10 to play.
DePaul up 7, looking good against the Friars. No Ben Bentil.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
DePaul up 7, looking good against the Friars. No Ben Bentil.
Without Bentil they are a much difference team. Dunn trying to take over game but missing shots.
Didn't realize Bentil left the game at half. He originally came back in after the injury briefly.
We want Prov to win this for our resume, right?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2016, 09:56:22 PM
Didn't realize Bentil left the game at half. He originally came back in after the injury briefly.
We want Prov to win this for our resume, right?
Yes we want Providence to win.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Yes we want Providence to win.
Thanks.
Holy crap DePaul is doing everything possible to lose this game lol
DePaul has upgraded the Demonettes at least.
Providence blowing opportunities down the stretch.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 10:15:46 PM
Providence blowing opportunities down the stretch.
These final 3 minutes have been brutal all around
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 10:15:46 PM
Providence blowing opportunities down the stretch.
Yeah, DePaul has all but handed it to them on a platter, but PC just hasn't taken their chances.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2016, 10:14:03 PM
DePaul has upgraded the Demonettes at least.
Kind if thought that myself, has to be some hot cheerleader types in a Chicago land pop of almost 10 mil
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2016, 10:16:18 PM
These final 3 minutes have been brutal all around
Shows how much Bentil means to Providence. they are not the same team without him.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 02, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
Shows how much Bentil means to Providence. they are not the same team without him.
I know Dunn gets all the BEPOY hype, but I don't think he's even POY on his own team. Bentil is the best player in the league.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2016, 10:14:03 PM
DePaul has upgraded the Demonettes at least.
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Devil Santa?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcRcqURCUAAGQE8.jpg)
Crowd going wild at DePaul. Big win for the Blue Demons.
Demons upset Providence. Could be a come down for PC. Nova on Saturday, then travel to play us, GT at home, and trips to Xavier and SHU.
DEPAUL 77 PROVIDENCE 70 (FINAL)
Thank goodness MU didn't let Maymon / Hennessey convince Mu to take Lomomba. He's meh X 10
Also, with Providence playing Villanova on Saturday. Will they lose their top 25 ranking all together with an 0-2 week?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2016, 10:48:55 PM
Also, with Providence playing Villanova on Saturday. Will they lose their top 25 ranking all together with an 0-2 week?
No
After tonight's games, MU is just a game out of third place in the loss column in the Big East. Just sayin'.
Quote from: 21rooster on February 02, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
After tonight's games, MU is just a game out of third place in the loss column in the Big East. Just sayin'.
I like a very much, ... sorry just watched Borat
Quote from: 21rooster on February 02, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
After tonight's games, MU is just a game out of third place in the loss column in the Big East. Just sayin'.
That damn Depaul game man.
Quote from: Benny B on February 02, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
Ironic, isn't it?
Only as ironic as Alanis Morissette's idea of ironic.
Bentil's getting x-rays on his ankle. No word on the extent. It was the right this time. He had a similar injury scare in December but it was his left ankle. He didn't miss any time but was clearly playing hurt in the next few games.
That didn't look good for Bentil. If he's out for any extended stretch, PC could be in trouble. They don't have an easy out in their next five. Nova and GT at home, road games at Marquette, Xavier, and Seton Hall. They could go from lock to bubble in a hurry.
Quote from: 21rooster on February 02, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
After tonight's games, MU is just a game out of third place in the loss column in the Big East. Just sayin'.
and DePaul has two games left against St. John's
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 02, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
That damn Depaul game man.
As I wrote yesterday, no matter the wins MU can accomplish it will be the DePaul loss that holds them back.
Unless DePaul gets a few more big wins--then loss may not be as bad. If they don't, then yes the DePaul loss will haunt us.
Here's the way I'm looking at it. There are 4 teams directly above us in the standings with 4 losses. Pass them in the standings by Winning Every Day and everything will take care of itself.
Quote from: Bricky on February 03, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
Only as ironic as Alanis Morissette's idea of ironic.
I'm not talking Canadian Irony here.
I'll take this ridiculous thought process a step further: MU has home games remaining against three of the four teams with four losses. Seton Hall is a road game, but I have a feeling Marquette is going to walk away with a win tonight (Vegas disagrees). Providence may be without Bentil (or at least not at 100%) next week, and MU has already shown they can match up with the Friars. Creighton is one of the few Saturday night Big East games for MU, so the BC should be rockin'. Georgetown will be tough...but the environment should be great for the last home game of the season. Yes, MU will lose some games in between...but so will everyone else.
Now...do I really think third place is in sight? Heck no. But as a fan, I'm inclined to look at how they could possibly do it, even if it's not the most likely scenario. Given the way the schedule works out, the door is open...but it has to start tonight.
Quote from: 21rooster on February 03, 2016, 11:35:33 AM
I'll take this ridiculous thought process a step further: MU has home games remaining against three of the four teams with four losses. Seton Hall is a road game, but I have a feeling Marquette is going to walk away with a win tonight (Vegas disagrees). Providence may be without Bentil (or at least not at 100%) next week, and MU has already shown they can match up with the Friars. Creighton is one of the few Saturday night Big East games for MU, so the BC should be rockin'. Georgetown will be tough...but the environment should be great for the last home game of the season. Yes, MU will lose some games in between...but so will everyone else.
Now...do I really think third place is in sight? Heck no. But as a fan, I'm inclined to look at how they could possibly do it, even if it's not the most likely scenario. Given the way the schedule works out, the door is open...but it has to start tonight.
I always looked at DePaul as the point where we could start a run to the tourney. Well, we saw how DePaul worked out, but after that we had a beatable SJU and Stetson on deck, followed by a home game against an opponent we always play tough. Three for three, so that's the start.
Looking ahead, I think tonight is winnable. I'm not convinced by a Kevin Willard team and feel that the right gameplan can beat them. I don't think we can beat Xavier, but I do like our odds in the two home games that follow as well as our rematch with DePaul. That would give us a 7-1 stretch (damn DPU), deal losses to three of the four teams immediately ahead of us, and get us to 19-8 (8-6) with 4 to play. It would also make us very confident going into our crucial final four games.
Tonight is huge. Time to go.
Quote from: 21rooster on February 03, 2016, 11:35:33 AM
I'll take this ridiculous thought process a step further: MU has home games remaining against three of the four teams with four losses. Seton Hall is a road game, but I have a feeling Marquette is going to walk away with a win tonight (Vegas disagrees). Providence may be without Bentil (or at least not at 100%) next week, and MU has already shown they can match up with the Friars. Creighton is one of the few Saturday night Big East games for MU, so the BC should be rockin'. Georgetown will be tough...but the environment should be great for the last home game of the season. Yes, MU will lose some games in between...but so will everyone else.
Now...do I really think third place is in sight? Heck no. But as a fan, I'm inclined to look at how they could possibly do it, even if it's not the most likely scenario. Given the way the schedule works out, the door is open...but it has to start tonight.
Win those three home games and all of the sudden you are 5-2 against the five other teams competing for third place. Win one of @Hall, @Creighton, @Butler and you will be 6-4 at worst. That would almost guarentee a 4th place finish or higher. Not a given that this happens by any stretch, but certainly seems doable.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
I always looked at DePaul as the point where we could start a run to the tourney. Well, we saw how DePaul worked out, but after that we had a beatable SJU and Stetson on deck, followed by a home game against an opponent we always play tough. Three for three, so that's the start.
Looking ahead, I think tonight is winnable. I'm not convinced by a Kevin Willard team and feel that the right gameplan can beat them. I don't think we can beat Xavier, but I do like our odds in the two home games that follow as well as our rematch with DePaul. That would give us a 7-1 stretch (damn DPU), deal losses to three of the four teams immediately ahead of us, and get us to 19-8 (8-6) with 4 to play. It would also make us very confident going into our crucial final four games.
Tonight is huge. Time to go.
Love your optimism. We have to be better than we were against Butler to accomplish all of this, though, I think. To me, Butler was our best win because we beat a good team that played pretty well. At Providence is technically our best win, but frankly, we won that game because they played about as bad as they possibly could. While Butler was probably a ceiling game for freshman Traci Carter, and near the top for HE, but I think several of our other players can play better. I'm not as optimistic as you, but stranger things have happened. Win tonight and there is a sliver of hope.
Creighton at Villanova 9 Eastern CBS Sports Network
MU at Seton Hall 8:30 Eastern FS1
SJU at Xavier 6:30 Eastern FS1
Last night showed there are no gimme games in this league. DePaul has a two guys that would be major factors on any team in the league .
We could go to bed tonight tied for 5th with a win over the Hall and a Villanova win.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 03, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
We could go to bed tonight tied for 5th with a win over the Hall and a Villanova win.
Or tied for 7th with a loss ;) I like your scenario a lot better
We dropped to 2-5 in conference with a loss at the buzzer to DePaul in 2010 too(although that made us 2-4, cuse beat us right after). We finished 11-7.
I'm just gonna pretend history was meant to repeat itself in a similar fashion!
11-7 here we come!!
Johnnies playing X tough on the road tonight. This league is a bear.
Nova big win over Creighton
No update on Bentil ankle from PROV. But was seen at facilities without crutches or a boot
Big game today in reference to where MU might finish in the standings is DePaul at Creighton. Creighton is one game ahead of us and DePaul is two games behind us with two St. John's games to play.
11:00 - Marquette @ 6 Xavier, FS1 - Joe Davis, Dickey Simpkins
1:00 - DePaul @ Creighton, FSN - Kevin Kugler, Nick Bahe
1:30 - 3 Villanova @ 11 Providence, FS1 - Gus Johnson, Tarik
Turner
3:30 - Butler @ St. John's, FSN - Brian Custer and Vin Parise
8:00 - Georgetown @ Seton Hall, CBSSN-- Andrew Catalon & Steve Lappas
Ben Bentil playing (off bench). Picked up 2 quick fouls after an early bucket.
Prov will be on a 2 game losing streak coming into the MU game
Edit -- Bentil looks healthy. Scores 7 pts in first 4 minutes after halftime
Villanova, Creighton and Butler win. Looks like like Bentil is back.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 06, 2016, 06:22:57 PM
Villanova, Creighton and Butler win. Looks like like Bentil is back.
Seton Hall wins tonight and it's a good day for the league.
I think at this point our best option for the Big East tournament is to finish 7th and have Seton Hall finish in the top 6th. That way we go into the play in portion playing a team we can match up well against. Also theoretically that would put our next game against Xavier rather than Villanova.
I know it is a long way from the tournament but just throwing it out there.
Amazing how close the conference standings are once you get past Nova and Xavier. The next 5 teams (Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Creighton and Butler) are all within 1-1/2 games of one another.
In other words, the difference between the 3rd and 7th best team in the Big East is practically imperceptible right now.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 06, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
Amazing how close the conference standings are once you get past Nova and Xavier. The next 5 teams (Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Creighton and Butler) are all within 1-1/2 games of one another.
In other words, the difference between the 3rd and 7th best team in the Big East is practically imperceptible right now.
I have felt all year this conference is a Bear.
Seton Hall might finish top 3/4.
If we can get to 6 I'll be happy. Opposite Villanova and only needing to win 3 games instead of 4.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 06, 2016, 08:51:23 PM
I have felt all year this conference is a Bear.
You've mentioned that just a couple times.
Good win for The Hall. Big game for them and Butler coming up .
A while ago there was a thread asking whether we were better than last year. Looking at the standings it occurred to me that the difference between this year and last year is that St. John's has gone from an NCAA tourney team that we could not beat to a team that has not won a game in conference. My conclusion is that, if St. John's was as good as they were last year, we would be in last place again. I do think, with the exception of St. John's and maybe DePaul every team in the Big East is better than they were last year, so the league is tougher overall.
Quote from: bilsu on February 07, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
A while ago there was a thread asking whether we were better than last year. Looking at the standings it occurred to me that the difference between this year and last year is that St. John's has gone from an NCAA tourney team that we could not beat to a team that has not won a game in conference. My conclusion is that, if St. John's was as good as they were last year, we would be in last place again. I do think, with the exception of St. John's and maybe DePaul every team in the Big East is better than they were last year, so the league is tougher overall.
If you do not see how much better this team is than last season's, I don't know what to tell you. This team would beat last year's team at least 7 out 10 times despite having way less experience. We are in a much better spot than we were last season. Try to enjoy it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2016, 12:27:17 PM
If you do not see how much better this team is than last season's, I don't know what to tell you. This team would beat last year's team at least 7 out 10 times despite having way less experience. We are in a much better spot than we were last season. Try to enjoy it.
Yep, agree with you. Frustrating, but we are better.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2016, 12:27:17 PM
If you do not see how much better this team is than last season's, I don't know what to tell you. This team would beat last year's team at least 7 out 10 times despite having way less experience. We are in a much better spot than we were last season. Try to enjoy it.
You are completely correct. Night & day difference from last year (worst record in MU history, correct?)
But I also understand the fans that are frustrated MU couldn't make tourney with a top 5 pick. It's bitter sweet; as we were a grad transfer away from dancing. Plenty to build on though.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
You are completely correct. Night & day difference from last year (worst record in MU history, correct?)
But I also understand the fans that are frustrated MU couldn't make tourney with a top 5 pick. It's bitter sweet; as we were a grad transfer away from dancing. Plenty to build on though.
Worst record since Kevin O'Neill's second year (1990-91) when they went 11-18.
Dukiet went 10-18 in his second year (1987-88)
Al McGuire went 8-18 in his first year (1964-65)
Eddie Hickey went 5-21 in his last year - the year before Al (1963-64)
which is the record for
most losses in a year.
Jack Nagle went 10-15 in (1956-57), so you're looking at
the sixth worst record in the last 60 years of MU basketball that's not so bad, is it?
BTW, worst winning % ever was Bill Chandler who was 2-13 (13.33%) in (1940-41)
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on February 07, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
Eddie Hickey went 5-21 in his last year - the year before Al (1963-64)
which is the record for most losses in a year
Ah, I missed Hickey final season when I looked before. I was just looking at most losses. 19 last year is the 2nd most ever for Mu then it appears
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2016, 12:27:17 PM
If you do not see how much better this team is than last season's, I don't know what to tell you. This team would beat last year's team at least 7 out 10 times despite having way less experience. We are in a much better spot than we were last season. Try to enjoy it.
I do think the team is better than last year. However, we were tied with Creighton for last place last year and they are 6-5 in conference. The conference appears to me to be tougher this year with the exception of St. John's. We beat St John's twice this year with them playing without their shot blocker. Last year we lost twice to St. John's. While we are better, we still might of finished last again except for St. John's becoming significantly worse than last year. DePaul may be worse than last year. Outside of that the other 8 teams including MU are better than last year. We still have to play Creighton twice and that will be a good comparison on how much the teams that shared last place last year have improved in relation to each other.
1. Villanova
5. Xavier
20. Providence
Seton Hall getting votes in AP Poll and coaches poll.
Butler at Seton Hall Wednesday is a very big game for both schools and the league. Butler really needs a win to remain in the conversation.
Looking ahead, the Big East really could benefit from Xavier and Villanova making some NCAA noise this year.
Creighton off to a fast start against Xavier. Home crowd fires up. CBS sports network.
Villanova at DePaul at 7:30 FS1
Creighton up by 10 over X at half
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 09, 2016, 08:23:10 PM
Up 15 w 15 to go.
I really enjoy watching Creighton games with the big crowd. Classic battle with X tonight, Maurice Watson, Jr. is an exciting player for the Jays. Still up by 8 9 minutes
Creighton going to win comfortably.
Watson Jr playing like an All American tonight . Really fun to watch.
Creighton 70-56
X shoots 1 for 21 from three tonight. Can't make these things up.........
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 09, 2016, 09:10:04 PM
Creighton 70-56
Not looking forward to playing Creighton twice in the next couple weeks
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Not looking forward to playing Creighton twice in the next couple weeks
Not going to be easy wins. Should be very fun games though.
Easy wins for whom?
We don't have easy wins......much less against a better team like Creighton.
Creighton winning that game against X is bad for us. I was hoping 9-9 (still think we end up 8-10) might get us 6th in conference. Not looking very good for that now.
I think a seventh or eighth place finish is looking pretty likely. Ugh. :(
The bright side is that the win over X gives Creighton a marquee win, and might give them momentum to make a run for a bid.
Can you imagine this conference getting 7 teams in?!? Definitely a possibility.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Not looking forward to playing Creighton twice in the next couple weeks
Who do you look forward to playing with this team?
Quote from: Wade for President on February 10, 2016, 05:38:40 AM
The bright side is that the win over X gives Creighton a marquee win, and might give them momentum to make a run for a bid.
Can you imagine this conference getting 7 teams in?!? Definitely a possibility.
I can't, unless Georgetown or Marquette get the auto bid. Non-con schedule kills both of us, albeit for different reasons.
There is no way the Big East gets 7 bids. Providence will be out when we sweep them. Georgetown will be out when Seton Hall sweeps them. Even a Seton Hall split probably ends Georgetown.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2016, 06:10:54 AM
I can't, unless Georgetown or Marquette get the auto bid. Non-con schedule kills both of us, albeit for different reasons.
7 conference losses (so far) is far more damaging to us than the non-conference schedule.
If we were tied with Villanova at 11-1, nobody would be talking about our non-conference schedule hurting us. In fact, if we were 9-3 (only losses at Xavier, at Villanova and at Seton Hall), nobody would be talking about our non-conference schedule.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 10, 2016, 07:25:32 AM
7 conference losses (so far) is far more damaging to us than the non-conference schedule.
If we were tied with Villanova at 11-1, nobody would be talking about our non-conference schedule hurting us. In fact, if we were 9-3 (only losses at Xavier, at Villanova and at Seton Hall), nobody would be talking about our non-conference schedule.
All true. But because of our non-con, we pretty much have to win out. Butler and Providence would likely get in at 8-10.
Georgetown, meanwhile, had 6 non-con losses. If they go 11-7, they'll have 14 losses as an at large. They might sneak in, but any worse I can't see. 15 losses is likely just too many.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 10, 2016, 05:40:15 AM
Who do you look forward to playing with this team?
I look forward to playing every opponent.
Disclosure: I am a Marquette fan.
And you?
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
I look forward to playing every opponent.
Disclosure: I am a Marquette fan.
And you?
This. Me, I'm looking forward to (hopefully) playing Belmont again.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Not looking forward to playing Creighton twice in the next couple weeks
Well, the Jay-Jays are a little less intimidating if you don't shoot 1-21 from deep.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 10, 2016, 08:05:40 AM
All true. But because of our non-con, we pretty much have to win out. Butler and Providence would likely get in at 8-10.
Georgetown, meanwhile, had 6 non-con losses. If they go 11-7, they'll have 14 losses as an at large. They might sneak in, but any worse I can't see. 15 losses is likely just too many.
Neither would get in at 8-10.
At best, .500 would put them on the bubble--although that keeps them well short of "likely" and they would have to hope that there are few upsets in the tournaments.
And if MU is ahead of or tied with Butler and Providence in the standings with two wins over each of them, the head-to-head performance would take precedence over the non-conference schedule.
Otherwise, you're expecting rational people prioritize non-conference buy games as being more important factors than either conference play or head-to-head results.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 10, 2016, 10:29:09 AM
Neither would get in at 8-10.
At best, .500 would put them on the bubble--although that keeps them well short of "likely" and they would have to hope that there are few upsets in the tournaments.
And if MU is ahead of or tied with Butler and Providence in the standings with two wins over each of them, the head-to-head performance would take precedence over the non-conference schedule.
Otherwise, you're expecting rational people prioritize non-conference buy games as being more important factors than either conference play or head-to-head results.
Disagree. The bubble is awful. Providence had one loss in non conference to MSU. A win over Arizona. Butler beat Purdue, only loss at Miami. We could see a lot of teams hovering around .500 get in this year (not just in the BE)
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 10, 2016, 11:14:36 AM
Disagree. The bubble is awful. Providence had one loss in non conference to MSU. A win over Arizona. Butler beat Purdue, only loss at Miami. We could see a lot of teams hovering around .500 get in this year (not just in the BE)
This. Providence and Butler are probably safe at 8-10. Check out the bubble. BE is going to get at a minimum 5 at large teams, and it's likely that 6 teams will be between 7-11 wins in conference.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 10, 2016, 10:03:59 AM
Well, the Jay-Jays are a little less intimidating if you don't shoot 1-21 from deep.
Very true :) I didn't see the game.
1-21 seems impossible after the way they shot Saturday. Good grief, used all the makes vs MU
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 10, 2016, 11:14:36 AM
Disagree. The bubble is awful. Providence had one loss in non conference to MSU. A win over Arizona. Butler beat Purdue, only loss at Miami. We could see a lot of teams hovering around .500 get in this year (not just in the BE)
Lunardi's small bubble (last 2 in, first 2 out)
| Team | Overall | RPI/SOS | vs 1-50 | vs 1-100 | Best Win (RPI) | Worst Loss (RPI) |
| Florida State | 16-7 | 39/78 | 3-5 | 6-7 | Virginia (6) | @Clemson (88) |
| Butler | 16-7 | 67/118 | 1-5 | 4-6 | Purdue (21) | @Marquette (106) |
| Cincinnati | 18-7 | 60/101 | 3-3 | 4-6 | George Washington (34) | @Memphis (114) |
| Vanderbilt | 13-10 | 58/18 | 2-7 | 5-10 | TAMU (19) | @Arkansas (100) |
| Just for kicks: |
| Marquette | 15-9 | 106/120 | 1-6 | 5-8 | @Providence (32) | vs. DePaul(142) |
Given that Marquette is comparable with all four of these teams on various metrics (except RPI & the DePaul loss), I'd say this is a pretty sh|tty bubble.
Butler at Seton Hall 6:30pm Eastern FS1
This is a big game for the league overall. Butler really needs this win to get back to .500. A win for Seton Hall would put them in a stronger position.
Big win for Butler tonight over The Hall.
Things are getting bunched up. The BET is going to a whale of a tournament.
Would be good for us if Providence got back to their winning ways against Georgetown Saturday.
Xavier at Butler Saturday another key Big East game. Would like to see Butler pick that win up. I think Xavier safely in the tournament but would like to see Butler improve their Standing, and of course a stronger Butler enhances our win over them in the committee eyes. In that regard I was happy to see Purdue beat Michigan State the other night, that helps Butler since they beat Purdue.
Gets a bit complex at this point but that is the fun of it.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 11, 2016, 11:23:41 AM
I think Xavier safely in the tournament but would like to see Butler improve their Standing, and of course a stronger Butler enhances our win over them in the committee eyes. In that regard I was happy to see Purdue beat Michigan State the other night, that helps Butler since they beat Purdue.
For the NCAA tourney?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 10, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
The BET is going to a whale of a tournament.
... for Marquette.
Gonna enjoy watching the lads celebrate, just as they did last time they were in NY. (Brooklyn, that is.)
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 10, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
Big win for Butler tonight over The Hall.
Things are getting bunched up. The BET is going to a whale of a tournament.
You sure it won't be a bear? ;)
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 10, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
Things are getting bunched up.
I'd say. We're in 8th, but two games out of 3rd.
Georgetown at Providence 12 eastern Fox
Xavier at Butler 230 eastern fox
St John's at Villanova 8 CBS sports network
Providence looking to get back to winning ways .
A Butler win would help secure their bid hopes.
Providence is destroying Georgetown right now. 26-9.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 13, 2016, 11:38:07 AM
Providence is destroying Georgetown right now. 26-9.
Somebody wake up the Hoyas. It's dreadful to watch
Comeback time?? Prov 68 G'Town 61 .. 8-)
Quote from: guzica on February 13, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
Comeback time?? Prov 68 G'Town 61 .. 8-)
Holy sh*t! Didn't see that coming. I turned it off down about 25
This is an epic collapse
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 13, 2016, 12:59:25 PM
This is an epic collapse
I'm scared to think of Providence next year when Dunn is gone & maybe Bentil :o. Could be St.Johns of this year bad
They were fortunate to pull that out. Saved their tourney for now. Probably an elimination game for GTown unless something crazy happens. Simply can't see a 12 loss team dancing.
They won. Good. I want to see "Providence 2x" on our list of good wins come selection day.
LSU also currently up 4 on A&M with 2 min to go.
Quote from: jsglow on February 13, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
They were fortunate to pull that out. Saved their tourney for now. Probably an elimination game for GTown unless something crazy happens. Simply can't see a 12 loss team dancing.
GT would be a 13-loss at large now (because of a BET loss) but I still think they can lose one more. Based on their remaining schedule, they'd have 6 very good wins and a tough enough schedule to get in with 14 losses (like we did in 2011).
Still, winning 4/5 with their remaining schedule is a huge ask. Probably be best for the league if they lose all 5.
This year not working very well conference wise. Teams that did well in non-con not doing that well in conf (sans Nova & X) and teams that did poorly in non-con doing decent but not great in conf.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 13, 2016, 01:53:02 PM
They won. Good. I want to see "Providence 2x" on our list of good wins come selection day.
LSU also currently up 4 on A&M with 2 min to go.
Even with LSU & Prov winning, MU is currently 99 RPI thanks to Belmont losing to a crap Morehead State team
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 13, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
This year not working very well conference wise. Teams that did well in non-con not doing that well in conf (sans Nova & X) and teams that did poorly in non-con doing decent but not great in conf.
The thing is, if you want to get 6 or more teams in, you really need at least three teams to be very bad. This year, everyone that isn't St. John's or DePaul is thinking they have an outside shot at a NCAA bid. If you have 8 teams that are all good enough to contend for a bid, you'll probably only end up with 4-5 that actually get in because teams 5-8 will just drag each other down. Right now, the middle 6 are separated by 2 games in league. That make it hard to differentiate, and thus hard to hand out a lot of bids. Right now I think we get 5, but could easily see 4 if no one can create separation or 6 if a few teams can.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 13, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
This year not working very well conference wise. Teams that did well in non-con not doing that well in conf (sans Nova & X) and teams that did poorly in non-con doing decent but not great in conf.
Luckily our non-con was good, with wins over Devry and University of Phoenix Online.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 13, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
The thing is, if you want to get 6 or more teams in, you really need at least three teams to be very bad. This year, everyone that isn't St. John's or DePaul is thinking they have an outside shot at a NCAA bid. If you have 8 teams that are all good enough to contend for a bid, you'll probably only end up with 4-5 that actually get in because teams 5-8 will just drag each other down. Right now, the middle 6 are separated by 2 games in league. That make it hard to differentiate, and thus hard to hand out a lot of bids. Right now I think we get 5, but could easily see 4 if no one can create separation or 6 if a few teams can.
I agree with you on the three bad teams. Georgetown screwed everyone in the league by having two bad losses in non conference and then getting off to a good start in league. They either need to be a good team or crappy team. Mediocre helps no one.
Xavier righted the ship after Creighton with a road win at Butler but in some ways I would have preferred to see Butler win.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 13, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Luckily our non-con was good, with wins over Devry and University of Phoenix Online.
Made me chuckle.
The Johnnies playing Villanova tough down 1 at half.
Villanova gets the win over the Johnnies.
Looking forward to tuesday nights game Creighton at Butler. Both really need the win .
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 13, 2016, 09:13:20 PM
Villanova gets the win over the Johnnies.
Ochefu returns & scores career high 25 points (9 reb)
1. Villanova
8. Xavier
23. Providence
Seton Hall getting a few votes in coaches poll.
Villanova and Temple on Wednesday should be a good game. Big 5 Championship at stake. Philly bragging rights.
Providence at Xavier a good game as well Wednesday
Creighton at Butler a big game for both teams tomorrow.
At this point MU has to win out.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 15, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
At this point MU has to win out.
Losses to DePaul, Creighton, and Seton Hall at home in conference. Just can't happen. Maddeningly inconsistent year. I think what's most frustrating about this is that we're not exactly sure what we'll have next year with Ellenson bolting. It's one thing to take your lumps knowing this unit is returning and will be bigger and badder.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 15, 2016, 05:00:26 PM
Losses to DePaul, Creighton, and Seton Hall at home in conference. Just can't happen. Maddeningly inconsistent year. I think what's most frustrating about this is that we're not exactly sure what we'll have next year with Ellenson bolting. It's one thing to take your lumps knowing this unit is returning and will be bigger and badder.
+1
Butler leading Creighton at half 36-29. Both teams really need this.
Solid win for Butler tonight over Creighton.
Tough Big 5 Road game for Villanova Wednesday at Temple for Big 5 title .
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 17, 2016, 12:07:48 AM
Solid win for Butler tonight over Creighton.
Tough Big 5 Road game for Villanova Wednesday at Temple for Big 5 title .
Butler peaking toward March. Nice progression to the Dance. Great hire.
DePaul will either be coming into MU game with a little momentum or they will be in the tank after today's game at St. John's.
Looks like Villanova has come out strong against Temple in the Big 5 Championship game. Will be good for them to get some positive exposure on ESPN2
Good quality road win for Villanova versus Temple. Xavier hold home court with win over Providence .
Would be good for Big East if Seton Hall could win on road versus Georgetown tonight.
DePaul is good at basketball
Seton Hall beats Georgetown. Big win for them.
Quote from: bilsu on February 17, 2016, 07:10:07 AM
DePaul will either be coming into MU game with a little momentum or they will be in the tank after today's game at St. John's.
St. John's 80-65 over DePaul
Quote from: WarriorHal on February 18, 2016, 12:06:44 AM
St. John's 80-65 over DePaul
Congratulations to The Johnnies and Coach Mullin. First Big East win.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 17, 2016, 10:13:25 PM
Seton Hall beats Georgetown. Big win for them.
Seton Hall winning is good for the Big East.
Georgetown only hope for bid at this point is to win BET.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 18, 2016, 01:04:16 AM
Seton Hall winning is good for the Big East.
Georgetown only hope for bid at this point is to win BET.
Anyone remember that one Georgetown fan on here posting that they would get a 3 seed this year? To be fair, as opposing fans go I've always thought he was pretty reasonable but he was just a bit off with that one.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 18, 2016, 03:20:52 AM
Anyone remember that one Georgetown fan on here posting that they would get a 3 seed this year? To be fair, as opposing fans go I've always thought he was pretty reasonable but he was just a bit off with that one.
He also thought they had a legit shot at a one seed, if I remember correctly. To be fair, he was much more spot on on MU than most of us were!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 18, 2016, 03:20:52 AM
Anyone remember that one Georgetown fan on here posting that they would get a 3 seed this year? To be fair, as opposing fans go I've always thought he was pretty reasonable but he was just a bit off with that one.
Hoyasincebirth is a very knowledgeable fan of college basketball in general and the Big East in particular. His predictions/assessments are fair and fact based except when it comes to Georgetown whom he consistently overrates, usually by a good margin. He's a fan first, like many of us on Scoop.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 18, 2016, 03:20:52 AM
Anyone remember that one Georgetown fan on here posting that they would get a 3 seed this year? To be fair, as opposing fans go I've always thought he was pretty reasonable but he was just a bit off with that one.
To be fair, G'town was close to pulling off upsets @ Maryland and against Duke on a neutral floor (both games decided in the final minute).
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 18, 2016, 01:04:16 AM
Seton Hall winning is good for the Big East.
Georgetown only hope for bid at this point is to win BET.
Totally agree. That's fantastic.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 18, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
To be fair, G'town was close to pulling off upsets @ Maryland and against Duke on a neutral floor (both games decided in the final minute).
High watermark of their season........and it happened three months ago. Since then, the Hoyas have been a turgid mess of misaligned expectations, hype, conditioning, and coaching.
So...I thought I'd post some thoughts on the teams in this league as far as where they stand regarding the tournament. Right now, I don't see any way we don't get a minimum of 4 bids, and think 5 is probably most likely, with an outside shot at 6 (or 7 if there's a BET surprise). Breaking down everyone's chances...
IN -- Villanova and Xavier
The Wildcats and Musketeers are absolute locks. They could lose out and still be comfortably on the right side of the bubble.
LIKELY IN -- Seton Hall
Not quite a lock yet, but look at their schedule. St. John's (A), Providence (H), Xavier (H), Butler (A), DePaul (A). If they beat the Johnnies and DPU, have to think that will have them on the right side of the bubble, and two of their three toughest games are at home. The Hall needs three total wins to be guaranteed a spot, but even going 2-4 (with a BET loss) would probably be enough at 20-11 (10-8), RPI 65, SOS 63. Anything more than that and they're locks.
LIKELY IN -- Providence
After beating 'Nova, the Friars looked like they were cruising to a top-4 seed. Since then, they are 2-4. Thank god for the Hoyas, as both of those wins are over Georgetown. PC has a fairly pedestrian finish. Seton Hall (A), DePaul (H), Creighton (H), St. John's (A). Beat the bottom-feeders and their stellar non-con would put them at 21-11 (9-9) even if they lost their first BET game. They won't be in that top-4 seed range, but Providence has very little work to do to make the tourney.
ON THE BUBBLE -- Butler
Butler is in a similar situation to the Hall and PC, but they don't get to play DePaul and St. John's in the next two weeks, making their road a little tougher. Villanova (A), Georgetown (A), Seton Hall (H), Marquette (H) is how they finish their season. Win two of those and Butler probably gets in. Get three or one at MSG and they will be in. If I were guessing now, I'd say Butler is the fifth and final team in from the Big East.
ON THE BUBBLE -- Creighton
The Jays are interesting. Their best non-con win was lowly Nebraska, missing big chances against Indiana, Oklahoma, and Arizona State while also dropping a bad loss to Loyola. Had they won two more of those, they'd be close to locks. Because they didn't, they have the same magic number of total wins (12) that Marquette does to get in. Considering they need four more wins to be assured a bid, their schedule looks daunting. Marquette (H), St. John's (H), Providence (A), Xavier (A). Even if they win 3 of those, they'll still need to do work at MSG because they'll be looking at a sub-70 RPI. Creighton really needs to win their next three then hope they can catch fire in NYC for at least a game or two. I think they will come up short and be one of the top seeds in the NIT.
VIRTUALLY OUT -- Marquette
We are on life support. If they run the table to the BET Final and lose, I think they would get in, but considering how little tourney games seem to factor into seeding, I wouldn't be confident. After losing to Creighton, the best chance seems to be winning the Big East Tournament. Any loss in the conference season or BET earlier than that probably ends any hopes.
VIRTUALLY OUT -- Georgetown
The Hoyas are a team like Marquette. Any rational, neutral observer could have told you they had virtually no chance a month ago. Only the diehard fans would have believed they could get in. They had an awful non-con. Despite playing tough teams, two bad losses (Radford and Asheville) coupled with six total losses after squandering a late lead at UConn is just poor. And with 7 conference losses already, any at-large bid would include a minimum of 14 losses even if they were to win out. Of course, the rest of their conference slate is tough, with them likely underdogs in 3/4 games. Xavier (H), Butler (H), Marquette (A), Villanova (A). Lose any one of those and their at-large dreams are completely dead. No way the committee takes a 15-loss team.
OUT -- DePaul and St. John's
Expected before and during the entire season. No surprises here.
My guess is that Villanova and Xavier both end up on the top-three seed lines. Seton Hall and Providence should both get in, probably in the 5-9 range depending on how they finish. Then I think Butler also sneaks in a bit lower, probably 8-11. Creighton, Marquette, and Georgetown all have their possibilities listed, if any of them get in as an at-large, it's probably in the play-in games. All three have different problems with their resumes. For Creighton, just too many losses in the non-conference. They could have got in had they scheduled tougher or won a couple more, but 4 losses against a mediocre non-con is just too much. For Marquette, obviously it's our non-con. Granted, win enough in conference and you render that irrelevant, but we didn't, so we didn't have any margin for error. And for Georgetown, they just needed to win more in non-conference. Beat Radford and Asheville and 9-9 in league probably would have been enough because they played such a difficult non-con and the wins over Wisconsin and Syracuse look a lot better now than they did a month ago. You just can't lose 6 non-con games and hope to get in unless you are great in conference play, which they haven't been.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
So...I thought I'd post some thoughts on the teams in this league as far as where they stand regarding the tournament.
Thanks for this Brew. This was more enlightening for the teams that actually have a chance (not us). For Marquette I think it is time to start looking at what it will take to get an NIT offer. It is certainly no lock at this point.
Nice work, brew.
I tend to think that 10 BE wins (i.e over .500 in the conference) would get Creighton, Providence and/or Butler in.
At 9-9, the BET would have some importance for these teams if they play each other or if they're able to knock off Nova or Xavier.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
So...I thought I'd post some thoughts on the teams in this league as far as where they stand regarding the tournament. Right now, I don't see any way we don't get a minimum of 4 bids, and think 5 is probably most likely, with an outside shot at 6 (or 7 if there's a BET surprise). Breaking down everyone's chances...
Outstanding work as usual. I agree that the Big East gets 5 at most unless there is some crazy in the BET.
Marquette is definitely out now unless they some how run the regular season table and win at least 2 in the BET.
I think Marquette has to beat DePaul plus two wins out of Creighton, Butler, Nova, and Gtown plus a BET to be assured an NIT bid. It's a hard bubble this year and I think a fair number of teams that would be in the dance normally will be out, taking up spots in the NIT (lot of regular season champs not getting NCAA bids).
Quote from: mu03eng on February 18, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
Outstanding work as usual. I agree that the Big East gets 5 at most unless there is some crazy in the BET.
Marquette is definitely out now unless they some how run the regular season table and win at least 2 in the BET.
I think Marquette has to beat DePaul plus two wins out of Creighton, Butler, Nova, and Gtown plus a BET to be assured an NIT bid. It's a hard bubble this year and I think a fair number of teams that would be in the dance normally will be out, taking up spots in the NIT (lot of regular season champs not getting NCAA bids).
Agree. Good work Brew. I agree with eng that MU's reasonable goal must be the NIT. That quest starts Saturday. The guys really can't afford to lose to DePaul again.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 18, 2016, 07:37:22 AM
He also thought they had a legit shot at a one seed, if I remember correctly. To be fair, he was much more spot on on MU than most of us were!
That's because he used his brain to evaluate us, used his heart to evaluate his own team. That's the achilles heal with most posters here, the eyeballs and brain see things or ignore things they shouldn't about our team. We too easily hide the bad stuff, or assume the absolutely best case scenario with our expectations, or the flip side go overboard the other way.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2016, 07:16:16 PM
That's because he used his brain to evaluate us, used his heart to evaluate his own team. That's the achilles heal with most posters here, the eyeballs and brain see things or ignore things they shouldn't about our team. We too easily hide the bad stuff, or assume the absolutely best case scenario with our expectations, or the flip side go overboard the other way.
That's called diehard fandom.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
So...I thought I'd post some thoughts on the teams in this league as far as where they stand regarding the tournament. Right now, I don't see any way we don't get a minimum of 4 bids, and think 5 is probably most likely, with an outside shot at 6 (or 7 if there's a BET surprise). Breaking down everyone's chances...
IN -- Villanova and Xavier
The Wildcats and Musketeers are absolute locks. They could lose out and still be comfortably on the right side of the bubble.
LIKELY IN -- Seton Hall
Not quite a lock yet, but look at their schedule. St. John's (A), Providence (H), Xavier (H), Butler (A), DePaul (A). If they beat the Johnnies and DPU, have to think that will have them on the right side of the bubble, and two of their three toughest games are at home. The Hall needs three total wins to be guaranteed a spot, but even going 2-4 (with a BET loss) would probably be enough at 20-11 (10-8), RPI 65, SOS 63. Anything more than that and they're locks.
LIKELY IN -- Providence
After beating 'Nova, the Friars looked like they were cruising to a top-4 seed. Since then, they are 2-4. Thank god for the Hoyas, as both of those wins are over Georgetown. PC has a fairly pedestrian finish. Seton Hall (A), DePaul (H), Creighton (H), St. John's (A). Beat the bottom-feeders and their stellar non-con would put them at 21-11 (9-9) even if they lost their first BET game. They won't be in that top-4 seed range, but Providence has very little work to do to make the tourney.
ON THE BUBBLE -- Butler
Butler is in a similar situation to the Hall and PC, but they don't get to play DePaul and St. John's in the next two weeks, making their road a little tougher. Villanova (A), Georgetown (A), Seton Hall (H), Marquette (H) is how they finish their season. Win two of those and Butler probably gets in. Get three or one at MSG and they will be in. If I were guessing now, I'd say Butler is the fifth and final team in from the Big East.
ON THE BUBBLE -- Creighton
The Jays are interesting. Their best non-con win was lowly Nebraska, missing big chances against Indiana, Oklahoma, and Arizona State while also dropping a bad loss to Loyola. Had they won two more of those, they'd be close to locks. Because they didn't, they have the same magic number of total wins (12) that Marquette does to get in. Considering they need four more wins to be assured a bid, their schedule looks daunting. Marquette (H), St. John's (H), Providence (A), Xavier (A). Even if they win 3 of those, they'll still need to do work at MSG because they'll be looking at a sub-70 RPI. Creighton really needs to win their next three then hope they can catch fire in NYC for at least a game or two. I think they will come up short and be one of the top seeds in the NIT.
VIRTUALLY OUT -- Marquette
We are on life support. If they run the table to the BET Final and lose, I think they would get in, but considering how little tourney games seem to factor into seeding, I wouldn't be confident. After losing to Creighton, the best chance seems to be winning the Big East Tournament. Any loss in the conference season or BET earlier than that probably ends any hopes.
VIRTUALLY OUT -- Georgetown
The Hoyas are a team like Marquette. Any rational, neutral observer could have told you they had virtually no chance a month ago. Only the diehard fans would have believed they could get in. They had an awful non-con. Despite playing tough teams, two bad losses (Radford and Asheville) coupled with six total losses after squandering a late lead at UConn is just poor. And with 7 conference losses already, any at-large bid would include a minimum of 14 losses even if they were to win out. Of course, the rest of their conference slate is tough, with them likely underdogs in 3/4 games. Xavier (H), Butler (H), Marquette (A), Villanova (A). Lose any one of those and their at-large dreams are completely dead. No way the committee takes a 15-loss team.
OUT -- DePaul and St. John's
Expected before and during the entire season. No surprises here.
My guess is that Villanova and Xavier both end up on the top-three seed lines. Seton Hall and Providence should both get in, probably in the 5-9 range depending on how they finish. Then I think Butler also sneaks in a bit lower, probably 8-11. Creighton, Marquette, and Georgetown all have their possibilities listed, if any of them get in as an at-large, it's probably in the play-in games. All three have different problems with their resumes. For Creighton, just too many losses in the non-conference. They could have got in had they scheduled tougher or won a couple more, but 4 losses against a mediocre non-con is just too much. For Marquette, obviously it's our non-con. Granted, win enough in conference and you render that irrelevant, but we didn't, so we didn't have any margin for error. And for Georgetown, they just needed to win more in non-conference. Beat Radford and Asheville and 9-9 in league probably would have been enough because they played such a difficult non-con and the wins over Wisconsin and Syracuse look a lot better now than they did a month ago. You just can't lose 6 non-con games and hope to get in unless you are great in conference play, which they haven't been.
This is a very good analysis. I think there is a good probability that the committee will consider the strength of our conference this year and weigh the conference wins accordingly. As such, I think a team like Creighton has a decent shot of making it in. I agree the key for Creighton will be winning a game in the conference tournament.
I think Marquette can help the rest of the league by winning the DePaul and Georgetown game. Helps overall strength of league.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 18, 2016, 08:41:13 PM
That's called diehard fandom.
Yup....and it leads to silly talk and lost money when gambling. ;) Also leads to unneeded depression and anger when losses pile up and the person has no idea he should have seen that coming miles away.
I know they floundered, but I just can't imagine them not getting in.
I hope the committee were to attribute Butler's struggles more to the grind of the Big East versus anything else.
There's no doubt in my mind that Butler could compete and win against a lot of these projected 9-12 seeds.
Hope they get a shot.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2016, 11:04:32 PM
Yup....and it leads to silly talk and lost money when gambling. ;) Also leads to unneeded depression and anger when losses pile up and the person has no idea he should have seen that coming miles away.
So the Carolina fan who bet on the Panthers to win the Super Bowl is a moron right... because he bet with his heart, not his mind?
Quote from: Benny B on February 19, 2016, 10:49:30 AM
So the Carolina fan who bet on the Panthers to win the Super Bowl is a moron right... because he bet with his heart, not his mind?
Sure. But he was a genius when he bet on the same Panthers to cover against Seattle and Arizona. Chico bats 1.000 as long as he picks after the game ends.
Quote from: Benny B on February 19, 2016, 10:49:30 AM
So the Carolina fan who bet on the Panthers to win the Super Bowl is a moron right... because he bet with his heart, not his mind?
No, not at all. Especially if he bet on them just to win, without the points. ;)
I'm talking about the people, like on this board, who thought we were going to the Final Four, or a lock for the NCAAs. They simply aren't paying attention to the players, the conference, the youth, etc. Start betting that way, and you're losing $$$.
I've always tried to look at things analytically, probably because of my job. Case in point the Stanley Cup Playoffs last year. I'm a huge Ducks fan, when a bunch of us here were picking Hawks vs Ducks, the Hawks fans were saying Hawks in 4 or 5. I said Hawks in 6 or 7. It doesn't mean I didn't believe in the Ducks, but I don't put my emotions before what I really see as the team's strengths and weaknesses. I can just as wrong as anyone else, but hopefully I'm wrong because of a data input, not because I'm using my loyalty to the team.
Xavier at Georgetown at main network Fox. Glad to see the exposure.
Xavier takes care of business today.
Georgetown moves to "Out" territory with DePaul and St John's. Not getting in with 15 losses as an at-large. Only way they get in is winning the Big East Tournament.
Do we want Butler or Nova to win? Hell of a game.
- would be nice to have Nova #1 when they come to BC
- would be huge road win for Butler resume
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2016, 03:05:07 PM
Georgetown moves to "Out" territory with DePaul and St John's. Not getting in with 15 losses as an at-large. Only way they get in is winning the Big East Tournament.
I think we pass GTown in the standings before this is over.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 20, 2016, 03:08:33 PM
Do we want Butler or Nova to win? Hell of a game.
- would be nice to have Nova #1 when they come to BC
- would be huge road win for Butler resume
Nova to win. Want them #1 on Saturday (even if they lose to X midweek). Though to your point if Nova loses at least that could firm up a spot for Buter.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 20, 2016, 03:08:33 PM
Do we want Butler or Nova to win? Hell of a game.
- would be nice to have Nova #1 when they come to BC
- would be huge road win for Butler resume
Good game. Looks like Nova has it under control. Would have been a big road win for Butler though.
We essentially control our own destiny to move up in the Big East standings for the tournament.
Georgetown and Butler both lead us by one half game, and we play them both, so we can pass them by taking care of business. They also play each other, and one is guaranteed to lose. Georgetown still has @ Nova and Butler has Seton Hall. At this point, I'd be surprised if we DONT finish ahead of Georgetown.
Providence has us by a whole game, but besides CU and @Hall they have cupcakes. If they lose two, we could catch them and pass on tiebreakers.
Creighton has us by two games, but if we beat them, their schedule to end is SJU, then @Prov and @X. I'd like our chances to at least tie them in the standings if we can win Wednesday.
To recap, if we can go 3-1 and knock off 3/4 teams directly in front of us in the standings we could conceivably climb to a 5th place tie at 9-9.
I definitely wanted Nova.
1. I want Nova to be No. 1 when we beat them a week from today on Natl MU Day. Storm the court, baby!
2. In the unlikely event that Nova manages to squeak past us, if we beat Creighton, GTown and Butler, we can move past Butler and maybe GTown in the standings and get that first-round BET bye.
So even though I like the Butler "story," it was very easy to root against them today.
Quote from: jsglow on February 20, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
I think we pass GTown in the standings before this is over.
We should. They are a bad team.
Rankings come out once per week. If Nova loses mid week 101-0..........they will still be #1 on Sat when we play them.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 20, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
Rankings come out once per week. If Nova loses mid week 101-0..........they will still be #1 on Sat when we play them.
Haha..and no one said otherwise...
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 20, 2016, 03:09:50 PM
Nova to win. Want them #1 on Saturday (even if they lose to X midweek).
And the several other posts which suggest they want to NOva to beat Xavier BECAUSE they want want Nova to be #1 when they come to town. I said they will be #1 win or lose.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 20, 2016, 08:24:38 PM
And the several other posts which suggest they want to NOva to beat Butler BECAUSE they want want Nova to be #1 when they come to town. I said they will be #1 win or lose.
Except nova and butler played today....so if nova had lost, they likely wouldn't have been #1
I meant Xavier, not Butler.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 21, 2016, 08:03:33 AM
I meant Xavier, not Butler.
Except everybody said butler....no one said anything about the x nova game
St John's, down 14 at half, just hit a three to pull within one of Seton Hall. Johnnies looking to pull off a big upset at home.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 21, 2016, 12:12:51 PM
Except everybody said butler....no one said anything about the x nova game
You are right--I dont know what the hell Im talking bout on this one. Confused myself.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 21, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
St John's, down 14 at half, just hit a three to pull within one of Seton Hall. Johnnies looking to pull off a big upset at home.
This 2nd half has been interesting...
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 21, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
You are right--I dont know what the hell Im talking bout on this one. Confused myself.
Favorite 'scoop post of all time.
SHU gets two FTs from Whitehead and lead 62-61. Johnnies have one last chance with 2.6 left.
Sima turns it over on the last play. Seton Hall escapes MSG by the skin of their teeth. Great game, Johnnies don't look like a pushover at home any more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 21, 2016, 01:25:19 PM
Great game, Johnnies don't look like a pushover at home any more.
Sloppy game is what I thought. Johnnies had a season high in turnovers & still almost won. was very odd game
The Hall just saved their season. Not sure that officials didn't influence the final result. Johnnies maturing as a team nicely.
How nice would it be to have Yakwe next year as a Soph at Marquette? We would be dreaming of bigger things next year.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 21, 2016, 01:32:48 PM
How nice would it be to have Yakwe next year as a Soph at Marquette? We would be dreaming of bigger things next year.
Kid is a damn trampoline lol
Officials at the end were very questionable. Surprising amount of free throws late, though for both teams. St John's defense was suffocating at times. They lose Obekpa and are still the best shot blocking team in the league. I'm impressed that Mullin has that woeful collection this competitive this quickly. Be interesting to see how they can do if they add some of the marquee talents they're after.
Very classy post game scuffle....videos on twitter for the curious
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 21, 2016, 01:36:34 PM
Very classy post game scuffle....videos on twitter for the curious
Link?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 21, 2016, 02:05:35 PM
Link?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/video-post-game-scuffle-st-john-last-second-loss-article-1.2539179
The Big East is officially looking into the altercation per Zags
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 01:30:01 PM
The Hall just saved their season. Not sure that officials didn't influence the final result. Johnnies maturing as a team nicely.
I agree with this analysis. Seton Hall was toast if they lost.
Mullin will have The Johnnies back to respectability next year.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 18, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
To be fair, G'town was close to pulling off upsets @ Maryland and against Duke on a neutral floor (both games decided in the final minute).
That was a long time ago. The Hoyas may end the season dropping 10 of its last 11 with its last three as: Butler, at Marquette, and at Villanova. Not a finish expected for the team picked to finish second this year.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 21, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
That was a long time ago. The Hoyas may end the season dropping 10 of its last 11 with its last three as: Butler, at Marquette, and at Villanova. Not a finish expected for the team picked to finish second this year.
I don't follow GTown enough to know but is it possible JTIII has 'lost' the team? Certainly can't be the way the Seniors wanted to go out.
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
I don't follow GTown enough to know but is it possible JTIII has 'lost' the team? Certainly can't be the way the Seniors wanted to go out.
Their 7' center is out with an injury. He was easily bigger than Fischer.
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
I don't follow GTown enough to know but is it possible JTIII has 'lost' the team? Certainly can't be the way the Seniors wanted to go out.
I have to wonder if JTIII is starting to feel a tug at the leash. He started fine there, early Final Four, NCAA success, but 3-6 in the Tourney since 2008, no trips past the first round, and even before they lost Hayes they had lost 5/7 games. I think his name makes him hard to fire there, but I think it's pretty clear he's not his father.
1. Villanova
2. Xavier
Providence getting votes in AP and Coaches. Seton Hall getting votes in coaches.
Thursday Providence at Seton Hall is a big game for both.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2016, 05:55:36 AM
I have to wonder if JTIII is starting to feel a tug at the leash. He started fine there, early Final Four, NCAA success, but 3-6 in the Tourney since 2008, no trips past the first round, and even before they lost Hayes they had lost 5/7 games. I think his name makes him hard to fire there, but I think it's pretty clear he's not his father.
If you go over to the Georgetown board there is a 73 page thread on JTIII and the dissatisfaction thereto.
http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29092/jt-iii-coaching-discussion
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 23, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
If you go over to the Georgetown board there is a 73 page thread on JTIII and the dissatisfaction thereto.
http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29092/jt-iii-coaching-discussion
Making a run at the everlasting craptastical mystery thread of the Buzz to SMU era. Though I imagine the JT3 thread stays at least slightly more on topic.
Quote from: RKMU123 on February 23, 2016, 01:28:04 PM
Making a run at the everlasting craptastical mystery thread of the Buzz to SMU era. Though I imagine the JT3 thread stays at least slightly more on topic.
They start calling the moderators North Korea on the first page, so it might not
Villanova at Xavier pregame review
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2016/02/22/ready-no-5-xavier-versus-no-1-villanova/80700736/
Marquette at Creighton Pregame Review
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/creighton-can-t-afford-a-slip-to-join-the-big/article_84cdd103-d474-5cbb-ae19-cd4ec2aa2cdb.html
McDermott says Henry a lotto pick ( I am sure he hopes he goes lol)
This conference is a real bear. Xavier takes Villanova down. We could have a couple of very high seeds in the tournament.
MU beats Creighton.........bad for the league.......and I love every second of it!
Oh yeah, and it's a bear!
Big game for the league tonight. Providence at Seton Hall. Would be a good quality win for Seton Hall if they can pull it off.
Bentil ejected with 3:40 left. Had 31 points. Seton Hall up by 10.
Bentil technical was a flagrant 2
MU in 4 way tie for 5th. Not sure on tie breakers, but they're 3-1 against the team they are tied with, so technically probably on 5th.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 25, 2016, 08:52:41 PM
MU in 4 way tie for 5th. Not sure on tie breakers, but they're 3-1 against the team they are tied with, so technically probably on 5th.
Yeah we are technically 5th right now. Win the mini conference formed by the 4 tied teams. If we beat Butler and Georgetown we would win any 3-4-5 way tiebreakers, I believe.
Where's MUBasketball with the projected Big East bracket? I want to see us with the bye!
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 25, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Yeah we are technically 5th right now. Win the mini conference formed by the 4 tied teams. If we beat Butler and Georgetown we would win any 3-4-5 way tiebreakers, I believe.
Where's MUBasketball with the projected Big East bracket? I want to see us with the bye!
Here he is :)
Big East Bracket 2/25/2016 (http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?10374-Updated-Big-East-Tournament-bracket-%28it-s-looking-better!%29)
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2016, 11:10:03 PM
Here he is :)
Big East Bracket 2/25/2016 (http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?10374-Updated-Big-East-Tournament-bracket-%28it-s-looking-better!%29)
Which is better? Creighton than nova. Or Seton Hall than X?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2016, 12:56:45 AM
Which is better? Creighton than nova. Or Seton Hall than X?
I'd take Creighton then 'Nova. I just think Seton Hall is a terrible matchup. Also, while we've played Xavier tough twice, I still think we don't match up very well with them, especially when they go 1-3-1.
Though I'd be a much bigger fan of Creighton then DePaul, personally. And St. John's in the final ;)
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2016, 01:09:45 AM
I'd take Creighton then 'Nova. I just think Seton Hall is a terrible matchup. Also, while we've played Xavier tough twice, I still think we don't match up very well with them, especially when they go 1-3-1.
Though I'd be a much bigger fan of Creighton then DePaul, personally. And St. John's in the final ;)
I agree that Seton Hall is a bad match up. Butler at Georgetown a big game tomorrow. Creighton has it's second game with Johnnies coming up which should help solidify their position.
Butler much needed overtime win over Georgetown. Providence gets back to winning ways against DePaul. Helpful wins for both teams.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2016, 05:13:10 PM
Butler much needed overtime win over Georgetown. Providence gets back to winning ways against DePaul. Helpful wins for both teams.
Needed wins for the league. Have to think any one win for either Butler (home against SHU & MU) or Providence (home v Creighton, away to St John's) would cement their at-large bids. Pretty certain we'll get at least 5 in.
Seton Hall can punch their ticket if they beat Xavier. Up 26-21 on FS1
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 28, 2016, 12:02:34 PM
Seton Hall can punch their ticket if they beat Xavier. Up 26-21 on FS1
45-26 Seton hall killin at half
Good for the conference, not so great for Xavier.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
Good for the conference, not so great for Xavier.
Bumps them off the top line u less they win the BET.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
Good for the conference, not so great for Xavier.
Overheard some pretty cocky X fans on Friday talking about how they could win the regular season and how the Big East wasn't as tough as some of their other friends said it was.
Got a lesson on how hard it is to win the Big East on Saturday. This is probably the best team they have had in 15 years and they are still not going to win the regular season this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
Needed wins for the league. Have to think any one win for either Butler (home against SHU & MU) or Providence (home v Creighton, away to St John's) would cement their at-large bids. Pretty certain we'll get at least 5 in.
I think both Providence and Butler will dance. I think Creighton and Marquette will represent the BEast in the NIT.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 28, 2016, 06:22:47 PM
Overheard some pretty cocky X fans on Friday talking about how they could win the regular season and how the Big East wasn't as tough as some of their other friends said it was.
Got a lesson on how hard it is to win the Big East on Saturday. This is probably the best team they have had in 15 years and they are still not going to win the regular season this year.
Seton Hall win today shows how much of Bear this conference is.
Nice monster win for Creighton over the Johnnies.
Rankings This Week
3. Villanova
5. Xavier
Seton Hall getting some meaningful votes. Providence getting some votes in coaches poll.
This last week is big for Butler, Providence, MU and Creighton.
Butler Seton Hall is a an exciting game. Butler up 7 with 3:44. Creighton up by 6 second half at Providence.
Butler wins against Seton Hall. They looked good tonight.
Creighton Providence game is back and forth. McDermott is a very good coach.
Creighton Providence game tonight is one of the reasons I enjoy the Big East. Back and forth tough nosed game with a lot of outstanding talent on display.
Providence wins over Creighton. For whatever it is worth John Rothstein kept saying on the broadcast that Creighton was a tournament team.
Sure Creighton is a tournament team. NIT that is.
I think things are actually about right. 5 will dance including Butler and Providence. 2 to the NIT, CU and MU.
Quote from: jsglow on March 02, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
Sure Creighton is a tournament team. NIT that is.
I think things are actually about right. 5 will dance including Butler and Providence. 2 to the NIT, CU and MU.
This seems about right. I think Butler and Providence are pretty solid now. The only thing that might not happen is us to the NIT. Wouldn't surprise me to see us try the new tournament in Las Vegas this year if we miss the NIT.
Quote from: jsglow on March 02, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
Sure Creighton is a tournament team. NIT that is.
I think things are actually about right. 5 will dance including Butler and Providence. 2 to the NIT, CU and MU.
Not so sure about us making the NIT, especially if we are sans Henry from here on out...
Quote from: Coleman on March 03, 2016, 09:52:06 AM
Not so sure about us making the NIT, especially if we are sans Henry from here on out...
I think MU is in pretty good shape for the NIT. They'll get in unless they lose Saturday and to SJU in the BET opener...then they may be left out. One more win and they're in the NIT, I would think.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2016, 09:58:42 AM
I think MU is in pretty good shape for the NIT. They'll get in unless they lose Saturday and to SJU in the BET opener...then they may be left out. One more win and they're in the NIT, I would think.
Just one more championship at MSG this year is all I want. I don't care if it comes next weekend or a month from now.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2016, 09:58:42 AM
I think MU is in pretty good shape for the NIT. They'll get in unless they lose Saturday and to SJU in the BET opener...then they may be left out. One more win and they're in the NIT, I would think.
I'm not quite that confident. Our RPI is still in the triple digits. NIT uses that same as the NCAAs. Buzz' last year we got left out with an RPI in the 90s.
If we win Saturday and make some enough noise in the BET to be a legit bubble team (per Lunardi's definition), we're dancing. I can't see the NCAA letting a bubble team with a legitimate lottery pick be televised in someone else's tournament.
*takes blue and gold glasses off*
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 03, 2016, 12:29:21 PM
If we win Saturday and make some enough noise in the BET to be a legit bubble team (per Lunardi's definition), we're dancing. I can't see the NCAA letting a bubble team with a legitimate lottery pick be televised in someone else's tournament.
*takes blue and gold glasses off*
W vs butler
W vs providence
W vs nova
L vs Xavier
In or out ? It'd be almost criminal to take providence and butler over us seeing as that would put us 5-0 over them.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 03, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
I'm not quite that confident. Our RPI is still in the triple digits. NIT uses that same as the NCAAs. Buzz' last year we got left out with an RPI in the 90s.
I'm optimistic. I don't think we win at Butler without HE but assuming he is back by St J, we beat them and lose to X then we have a record of 20-13 in a power conference I would think we get in. Remember Buzz's last team was 17-15 and riding a 4 game losing streak on selection Sunday. That is a lot different than 20 wins. While the NIT may claim they use the RPI they are still interested in what teams will create local ticket sales and attractive television. I've seen a lot of hard to defend NIT selections or seeds that seemed to be motivated buy factors other than simply the strongest team. Should also make a difference if the BC is available. Again
its all about that gate, bout that gate.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 03, 2016, 12:29:21 PM
If we win Saturday and make some enough noise in the BET to be a legit bubble team (per Lunardi's definition), we're dancing. I can't see the NCAA letting a bubble team with a legitimate lottery pick be televised in someone else's tournament.
*takes blue and gold glasses off*
The NCAA owns the NIT. They bought it from 5 NYC area schools in the past 10 years. That's why you have the new rule about regular season champs make the NIT. This new NIT gives solid competition. If you end up playing a Conf Champ? That's a good game. Plus it's weeded out the Names for Money, not all but more than usual.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 03, 2016, 12:33:40 PM
W vs butler
W vs providence
W vs nova
L vs Xavier
In or out ? It'd be almost criminal to take providence and butler over us seeing as that would put us 5-0 over them.
Probably out. But it'd give us a puncher's chance. 40% probably? If you get wins over SHU and X instead of PC and Nova I think it goes up to about 55%
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 03, 2016, 12:58:15 PM
Probably out. But it'd give us a puncher's chance. 40% probably? If you get wins over SHU and X instead of PC and Nova I think it goes up to about 55%
Exactly. Have to hope for bubble teams from other conferences to lose early to locks or to bad teams.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2016, 01:11:45 PM
Exactly. Have to hope for bubble teams from other conferences to lose early to locks or to bad teams.
Honestly, we're out to a good start on this front. Alabama lost a home game to Arkansas last night. Oregon State lost to USC (doesn't hurt too much but avoided a good win). Creighton lost, they're done now. Georgia Tech and Clemson both failed to pick up good wins the night before.
The only one that kind of hurts is St. Bonaventure beating St. Joes but there will most likely be an opportunity for them to get a bad loss in the A10 tournament or at SLU this weekend.
For me, I'm enjoying still somewhat being in the conversation, but I'm not going to take it seriously until Saturday. If we win on Saturday I think we have a great shot in the 4/5 game and then all it takes is one great performance against Nova to give us a chance.
Stanford @ Arizona State, Cincy @ Houston, and UCONN @ SMU would be the three games to keep an eye on tonight.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 03, 2016, 12:33:40 PM
In or out ? It'd be almost criminal to take providence and butler over us seeing as that would put us 5-0 over them.
This is the best stat we have going for us right now...especially if we win Saturday
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 03, 2016, 01:16:30 PM
Honestly, we're out to a good start on this front. Alabama lost a home game to Arkansas last night. Oregon State lost to USC (doesn't hurt too much but avoided a good win). Creighton lost, they're done now. Georgia Tech and Clemson both failed to pick up good wins the night before.
The only one that kind of hurts is St. Bonaventure beating St. Joes but there will most likely be an opportunity for them to get a bad loss in the A10 tournament or at SLU this weekend.
For me, I'm enjoying still somewhat being in the conversation, but I'm not going to take it seriously until Saturday. If we win on Saturday I think we have a great shot in the 4/5 game and then all it takes is one great performance against Nova to give us a chance.
Stanford @ Arizona State, Cincy @ Houston, and UCONN @ SMU would be the three games to keep an eye on tonight.
Bubble teams 0-3 tonight barring a 20 point Stanford comeback in the next 10 minutes. It's kind of comical how wide open it is at the bottom of the bracket.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 03, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Bubble teams 0-3 tonight barring a 20 point Stanford comeback in the next 10 minutes. It's kind of comical how wide open it is at the bottom of the bracket.
We've got a chance!
Funny thing is, we have as many top 50 wins (4) as any team in the SEC. And more top 50 wins than any team in the A10, AAC.
We also have more top 50 wins than UNC, Pitt, Michigan, and Ohio State, teams that are considered on the bubble or in.
I realize we had a crappy schedule, but we've also proven ourselves against the top 50 better than many of the teams considered in, or on the bubble.
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2016, 02:07:09 AM
Funny thing is, we have as many top 50 wins (4) as any team in the SEC. And more top 50 wins than any team in the A10, AAC.
We also have more top 50 wins than UNC, Pitt, Michigan, and Ohio State, teams that are considered on the bubble or in.
I realize we had a crappy schedule, but we've also proven ourselves against the top 50 better than many of the teams considered in, or on the bubble.
That's what I keep thinking. Assuming we win our way to the BEast championship game and then lose we will be 7-8 against RPI Top 50. Is it really plausible that such a team will be kept out when their very worst loss is to a RPI 175ish DePaul? Has a 22 win BEast team EVER been denied? It simply can't matter that we played the 7th place SWAC team rather than the 6th place Horizon team. That RPI calc simply seems like bullcrap to me.
Didn't Gottlieb or Lundardi say RPI probably means the least this year than in any other season?
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2016, 02:07:09 AM
Funny thing is, we have as many top 50 wins (4) as any team in the SEC. And more top 50 wins than any team in the A10, AAC.
We also have more top 50 wins than UNC, Pitt, Michigan, and Ohio State, teams that are considered on the bubble or in.
I realize we had a crappy schedule, but we've also proven ourselves against the top 50 better than many of the teams considered in, or on the bubble.
That is good if we can get in the bubble consideration. The problem is getting the NCAA to look at us vs. other teams on the bubble.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
That's what I keep thinking. Assuming we win our way to the BEast championship game and then lose we will be 7-8 against RPI Top 50. Is it really plausible that such a team will be kept out when their very worst loss is to a RPI 175ish DePaul? Has a 22 win BEast team EVER been denied? It simply can't matter that we played the 7th place SWAC team rather than the 6th place Horizon team. That RPI calc simply seems like bullcrap to me.
I don't disagree with you (mostly), but I think it is silly to ask if a 22 win Big East team has ever been denied a bid, when this league is essentially in its 3rd season. It is apples and oranges comparing records with the old Big East.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 04, 2016, 07:00:43 AM
Didn't Gottlieb or Lundardi say RPI probably means the least this year than in any other season?
Yes. But they say that every year. And every year, RPI seems to be the main factor.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2016, 08:21:11 AM
Yes. But they say that every year. And every year, RPI seems to be the main factor.
Eh. It has less of an effect last year. Especially on seeding.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
That's what I keep thinking. Assuming we win our way to the BEast championship game and then lose we will be 7-8 against RPI Top 50. Is it really plausible that such a team will be kept out when their very worst loss is to a RPI 175ish DePaul? Has a 22 win BEast team EVER been denied? It simply can't matter that we played the 7th place SWAC team rather than the 6th place Horizon team. That RPI calc simply seems like bullcrap to me.
I agree. I think we need to at least make it to the BEast championship. That will force us to be at least looked at.
I think if we get a fair look, our chances go up considerably.
Now, getting to the BEast championship is another issue.
Every year they interview the chairman of the committe that picks the NCAA field. Each time they talk about the overall body of work etc. They publish a whole set of criteria, rpi is one of many points considered.
At the end of the day if MU gets in the discussion of the bubble teams we will have as strong a chance as anyone. First,we have to get in the bubble conversation by winning Saturday and then winning at least one more game in the BET.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2016, 08:21:11 AM
Yes. But they say that every year. And every year, RPI seems to be the main factor.
Obviously our RPI numbers don't do us any favors, but I do think the committee recognizes the flaws of RPI / SOS and weight it less due to that. My concern is really none of our computer numbers are strong - our Kenpom ranking sucks too. Not sure beating Butler then Providence is going to change those enough to be passable.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
Obviously our RPI numbers don't do us any favors, but I do think the committee recognizes the flaws of RPI / SOS and weight it less due to that. My concern is really none of our computer numbers are strong - our Kenpom ranking sucks too. Not sure beating Butler then Providence is going to change those enough to be passable.
Probably not, but beating Butler, Providence and Villanova would probably have us up in the 60's in KenPom. We're 9 point underdogs in his system against Butler, so we would jump quite a bit if we won. Probably up from 96 to 85 or so. Then beating providence on a neutral court would probably get us 5 or 6 spots. Beating Nova would be the one that gets us up into the territory that we need to be in.
Two wins won't cut it for a bid or computer numbers. 3 wins might.
RPI Wizard has MU's RPI/SOS at 75/66 with wins at Butler, v. Providence, v. Nova, Loss to X. This is about a 10 point drop in projected RPI from when I ran this earlier this week. Don't think thats gonna be enough to get MU in the coversation - but hopefully, like others have said, they notice due to MU's run to the BET final and then take a closer look at their schedule and wins v. top 50.
Hopefully some of our previous opponents make some noise in the next week as well.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
RPI Wizard has MU's RPI/SOS at 75/66 with wins at Butler, v. Providence, v. Nova, Loss to X. This is about a 10 point drop in projected RPI from when I ran this earlier this week. Don't think thats gonna be enough to get MU in the coversation - but hopefully, like others have said, they notice due to MU's run to the BET final and then take a closer look at their schedule and wins v. top 50.
Hopefully some of our previous opponents make some noise in the next week as well.
Here's the issue I have with RPI/Committee/really the whole process. Let's say this scenario plays out. We end up 7-8 against the top 50. 22-12 overall. When the committee talks about scheduling they are always stressing "play somebody, beat somebody". We would have more top 50 wins than almost everyone in the field. The issue wouldn't be "playing or beating somebody". We'd have done that. We'd have accomplished that more than most teams in the country. Not only that, but we would have less "bad losses" than most tournament teams as well.
The sole issue would be the cupcakes. I'm biased, but I think we have a good shot in this scenario. Even in our non conference schedule we played 2 top 50 opponents and 3 more top 100 opponents. Our schedule wasn't soft. The soft cupcakes were just extra soft. I think that can be overlooked.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 04, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Here's the issue I have with RPI/Committee/really the whole process. Let's say this scenario plays out. We end up 7-8 against the top 50. 22-12 overall. When the committee talks about scheduling they are always stressing "play somebody, beat somebody". We would have more top 50 wins than almost everyone in the field. The issue wouldn't be "playing or beating somebody". We'd have done that. We'd have accomplished that more than most teams in the country. Not only that, but we would have less "bad losses" than most tournament teams as well.
The sole issue would be the cupcakes. I'm biased, but I think we have a good shot in this scenario. Even in our non conference schedule we played 2 top 50 opponents and 3 more top 100 opponents. Our schedule wasn't soft. The soft cupcakes were just extra soft. I think that can be overlooked.
I completely agree. But its not something you want to make a habit of relying on. If MU were to rattle off three more in a row here (far from a certainty), and finds themselves in the BET final - obviously I hope they win it - but if not, and they end up in the tourney anyway, this should be a lesson. If this scenario plays out, and MU is left out of the big dance, they have no one to blame but themselves for their scheduling. As we've all been saying all year, Broeker, Wojo and Co., gave this team very little room for error with the schedule.
Spilled milk, water under the bridge, etc., etc., but hopefully the lesson has been learned. Too good of a program to be playing the dregs of the NCAA.
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2016, 12:03:25 PM
I agree. I think we need to at least make it to the BEast championship. That will force us to be at least looked at.
I think if we get a fair look, our chances go up considerably.
Now, getting to the BEast championship is another issue.
If we get to that point, I contend we get in. The NCAA wants TV sets tuned into watching a lottery pick.
I seem to remember the NCAA letting Oneil in the first time without a tremendous RPI. They said the berth was a reward for the effort and improvement the coach and team showed that year. Wojo may just fit that bill if the team makes it to the BET finals.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2016, 08:21:11 AM
Yes. But they say that every year. And every year, RPI seems to be the main factor.
+1
Until Gottlieb and Lunardi are on the committee, those comments mean squat. The lowest RPI team to make the field last year was Indiana at 63. Anyone saying RPI is less of a factor in inclusion isn't paying attention.
I'll agree they are doing a better job of using other metrics to seed, but it's tough to get in without a good enough RPI. All the more reason this Selection Sunday will likely be a disappointment, because we do have a comparable resume to most teams on the bubble once you look past the RPI/SOS numbers.
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2016, 02:07:09 AM
Funny thing is, we have as many top 50 wins (4) as any team in the SEC. And more top 50 wins than any team in the A10, AAC.
We also have more top 50 wins than UNC, Pitt, Michigan, and Ohio State, teams that are considered on the bubble or in.
Per RPI Forecast...
MU is 0-4 vs the top 25 in RPI
4-3 vs 26-50 in RPI
those 4 wins are Providence X2, Butler & UW I'm guessing?
4-7 vs RPI top 50 (0-4 top 25) & then 9-0 vs RPI 200+Edit- sounds like Butler might be the 4th?
Georgetown at Villanova 12 est Fox
Seton Hall at DePaul 12 est
Providence at St. Johns 12:30 est FS1
Creighton at Xavier 2:30 est
Marquette at Butler 2:30 est
Finish of the regular season. Would like to see Providence finish up with a win , as our signature wins are against them.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 05, 2016, 10:32:06 AM
Georgetown at Villanova 12 est Fox
Seton Hall at DePaul 12 est
Providence at St. Johns 12:30 est FS1
Creighton at Xavier 2:30 est
Marquette at Butler 2:30 est
Finish of the regular season. Would like to see Providence finish up with a win , as our signature wins are against them.
I'll bet Wojo doesn't let the guys know what happened in earlier games. Nothing matters but what happens at Hinkle. Take care of business and all is possible.
Quote from: jsglow on March 05, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
I'll bet Wojo doesn't let the guys know what happened in earlier games. Nothing matters but what happens at Hinkle. Take care of business and all is possible.
Agree.
Villanova up big at half and Providence comfortably in lead versus Johnnies.
Ohio State loses. Vanderbilt loses. Two more bubble teams fail to get good wins.
LSU, Stanford, Alabama, South Carolina, Oregon State, Michigan, Syracuse all left to play among bubble teams.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 05, 2016, 12:54:31 PM
Ohio State loses. Vanderbilt loses. Two more bubble teams fail to get good wins.
LSU, Stanford, Alabama, South Carolina, Oregon State, Michigan, Syracuse all left to play among bubble teams.
Are we still talking about the NCAA?
Looks like Prov is gonna take down SJU.
Prov it is in the 4/5 game if we win today, assuming X takes care of business against Creighton.
SHU takes down DePaul.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 05, 2016, 12:56:04 PM
Are we still talking about the NCAA?
Yep. For a few more hours anyways. If we lose today (which I consider likely) it will be done.
Even when we have almost 0% chance of an at large bid, I still enjoy keeping track of the bubble.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Looks like Prov is gonna take down SJU.
Prov it is in the 4/5 game if we win today, assuming X takes care of business against Creighton.
SHU takes down DePaul.
Creighton Xavier on national Fox
Seton Hall with solid win over DePaul . I think they have locked up their spot in the tournament.
Everyone should turn on the Creighton v. Xavier game right now. Craziness.
Quote from: forgetful on March 05, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
Everyone should turn on the Creighton v. Xavier game right now. Craziness.
Good game on the Fox National Broadcast. Hopefully it helps Creighton.
I think the conference lines up exactly correctly. The 5 best teams are in the top 5 slots and will all dance. I'm not worried that the loser of the Providence/Butler game will be left out. Both properly took care of business this week. I think the only chance for that is if some other team (like MU) were to make a run and steal the title. And I put those chances at 5%.
There's also a clear NIT tier that includes both Creighton and MU. In some ways, it doesn't hurt that MU gets to play on Wednesday relative to Creighton assuming that we win. Assuming a loss to Xavier the next night we'd be 20-13. I personally think Seton Hall will defeat Creighton leaving them at 18-14. That might be right on the edge. Georgetown? Forget it. Going home immediately after NYC.
This weeks rankings
3. Villanova
5. Xavier
Seton Hall ,Providence and Butler getting additional votes.
I think the 5 are pretty solid for the tournament. Having the top 2 teams get very high seeds will help everyone. Means they will most likely at least get one win which means more unit money for the league. Need some deep tourney runs to get those units.
I have no idea how much the NIT pays participants. If MU and Creighton do well there maybe a few more bucks come everyones way.
Quote from: jsglow on March 06, 2016, 08:20:37 AMGeorgetown? Forget it. Going home immediately after NYC.
The only way Georgetown can finish with a winning record is if they win their first round NCAA Tournament game. Which means winning 4 at MSG first and pulling another day one upset. Not happening. To think, they were 6-2 in league play with wins over Xavier and Creighton about 5 weeks ago.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 07, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
This weeks rankings
3. Villanova
5. Xavier
Seton Hall ,Providence and Butler getting additional votes.
I think the 5 are pretty solid for the tournament. Having the top 2 teams get very high seeds will help everyone. Means they will most likely at least get one win which means more unit money for the league. Need some deep tourney runs to get those units.
I have no idea how much the NIT pays participants. If MU and Creighton do well there maybe a few more bucks come everyones way.
There was a thread on this a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it.
NIT does pay out but it is peanuts compared to the NCAA. IIRC, a deep NIT run might get the conference close to what one NCAA game does.
Final Rankings
6. Villanova
9. Xavier
20. Seton Hall
Providence and Butler got some votes.
Was a very good performance for the league overall.