Now that Hoiberg has left to cach the Bulls will there be a slew of transfers from MU West? Or did they have a plan in place since it has been well known that Hoiberg was always going to go to the league?
Lastly is there anyone we would be interested in?
My guess is that they will promote Otzelberger to head coach in the next week or so. If he gets it, I would expect minimum transfers. If anyone did transfer, about half of their roster is good enough to play for us. Nader would be immediately eligible in theory. Niang is a stud but would have to sit out and would only have a year left. Monte Morris is a stud. Cooke is pretty good, and we might be able to find a way to make him immediately eligible since he sat out last year. Not likely but have seen it before.
Despite all this, I don't think we would go for anybody. Wojo seems pretty set on Washington and Coffey for 2016. Oversigning by 1 is cool but by 2 or more is tricky. Though I would take Monte Morris over pretty much anyone on our roster not named Henry. Nader could help immediately without affecting 2016 but I don't think Wojo would overlook the OWI on his record.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 02, 2015, 08:29:44 AM
My guess is that they will promote Otzelberger to head coach in the next week or so. If he gets it, I would expect minimum transfers. If anyone did transfer, about half of their roster is good enough to play for us. Nader would be immediately eligible in theory. Niang is a stud but would have to sit out and would only have a year left. Monte Morris is a stud. Cooke is pretty good, and we might be able to find a way to make him immediately eligible since he sat out last year. Not likely but have seen it before.
Despite all this, I don't think we would go for anybody. Wojo seems pretty set on Washington and Coffey for 2016. Oversigning by 1 is cool but by 2 or more is tricky. Though I would take Monte Morris over pretty much anyone on our roster not named Henry. Nader could help immediately without affecting 2016 but I don't think Wojo would overlook the OWI on his record.
I'd be shocked if Nader transferred anywhere. Haven't talked to him in a while but he was really happy these last time we spoke. Crazier things have happened but highly unlikely
Who wouldn't be interested in Georges Niang? Extremely doubtful that he's going anywhere. I doubt Jameel McKay is going anywhere even if he qualifies as a grad waiver guy. Jameel likely wouldn't have an interest in competing with Ellenson for minutes in his one year anyway. Monte Morris would be a nice pickup, but there probably isn't room for him at the inn now that Rowsey is on board. Those are about the only guys that could compete for MU's attention with Kyle Washington who Woj and company are recruiting hard.
It may take some getting used to, but now that Wojo has a year under his belt, roster spots at MU will be much scarcer then they have been in the past, and I believe after this year transfers will be far less common.
Hoiberg to the Bulls was a badly kept secret for some time. T.J. Otzelberger returned this season as assistant as a head coach in waiting, although the Iowa State president might throw a wrench into that plan, preferring a bigger name guy. If the AD gets his way and Otzelberger is in then the transition should be rather smooth, actually.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 02, 2015, 08:29:44 AM
My guess is that they will promote Otzelberger to head coach in the next week or so. If he gets it, I would expect minimum transfers. If anyone did transfer, about half of their roster is good enough to play for us. Nader would be immediately eligible in theory. Niang is a stud but would have to sit out and would only have a year left. Monte Morris is a stud. Cooke is pretty good, and we might be able to find a way to make him immediately eligible since he sat out last year. Not likely but have seen it before.
Despite all this, I don't think we would go for anybody. Wojo seems pretty set on Washington and Coffey for 2016. Oversigning by 1 is cool but by 2 or more is tricky. Though I would take Monte Morris over pretty much anyone on our roster not named Henry. Nader could help immediately without affecting 2016 but I don't think Wojo would overlook the OWI on his record.
Thanks, didn't really know much about their roster/team, just that they were pretty good last year.
Forgot that with Rowsey transfer and Hauser committing we were down to one open scholarship next year.
That Rowsey transfer is still a head scratcher to me. I think Wojo had much better options then only having 1 open scholarship for Coffey and transfers
This is why Otzelberger was brought back. He has connections to McKay, Burton, and Noskowiak through the Wisconsin AAU programs. He was the lead recruiter on Naz Long and Matt Thomas. He was on staff when Georges Niang came to Ames.
The guy is tied into their program. He may have been gone a couple years, but I really can't see any reason they'd look elsewhere, especially as the reason he was brought back really looks to be as a safety net to this exact situation.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 02, 2015, 08:53:34 AM
That Rowsey transfer is still a head scratcher to me. I think Wojo had much better options then only having 1 open scholarship for Coffey and transfers
That is a head scratcher for me as well. It is obvious the kid can score, proved it, but who is going to get some rebounds, need some more bulk. Now if Washington commits, and Ellenson leaves they still will need another big. It has been written that Coffey wants to play guard, it seems MU is stacked with 2 guards and small forwards, and not sure any of them are players
yet.
maybe we can get Burton and McKay back, ai'na?
Have any names been floated out there? I know TJ has been and is the front runnner.
Quote from: Windyplayer on June 02, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
Have any names been floated out there? I know TJ has been and is the front runnner.
Some of the usual names. Bryce Drew, etc. But I think they are simply throwing names out there.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/06/01/next-list-iowa-state-coaching-candidates/28131227/
My favorite two names on this list are Chris Mack and Dana Altman. Why would you leave Xavier or Oregon for Iowa State...? Heck, why would Archie Miller waste his time moving from Dayton to a school destined to be back in the dregs of the Big 12 in the next 2 years?
FWIW, the rumors that I've heard are that the AD wants Otz, but the President wants to make a "splash" (whatever that means).
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 02, 2015, 08:58:17 AM
This is why Otzelberger was brought back. He has connections to McKay, Burton, and Noskowiak through the Wisconsin AAU programs. He was the lead recruiter on Naz Long and Matt Thomas. He was on staff when Georges Niang came to Ames.
The guy is tied into their program. He may have been gone a couple years, but I really can't see any reason they'd look elsewhere, especially as the reason he was brought back really looks to be as a safety net to this exact situation.
President doesn't want TJ.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 02, 2015, 10:28:40 AM
President doesn't want TJ.
Where did you hear that?
If that is true, either the President or Pollard screwed up when TJ was brought back to ISU.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 02, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
Where did you hear that?
If that is true, either the President or Pollard screwed up when TJ was brought back to ISU.
See cbssports.com
Quote from: MUWarrior2007 on June 02, 2015, 10:25:17 AM
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/06/01/next-list-iowa-state-coaching-candidates/28131227/
My favorite two names on this list are Chris Mack and Dana Altman. Why would you leave Xavier or Oregon for Iowa State...? Heck, why would Archie Miller waste his time moving from Dayton to a school destined to be back in the dregs of the Big 12 in the next 2 years?
FWIW, the rumors that I've heard are that the AD wants Otz, but the President wants to make a "splash" (whatever that means).
The phony cowboy to Iowa State?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 02, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
Where did you hear that?
If that is true, either the President or Pollard screwed up when TJ was brought back to ISU.
I read it on their Cyclone Fanatic message board from one of their editors/publishers who is well connected to the program.
Well, if that's the case, Pollard probably should have figured this out before bringing him back. (Unless he was completely up front about it from the beginning and TJ took a chance anyway.)
Quote from: willie warrior on June 02, 2015, 10:52:22 AM
The phony cowboy to Iowa State?
You're joking, but I think Buzz would be a perfect fit at a place like Iowa St. Won't happen - he's not leaving Va Tech this soon.
Quote from: MUWarrior2007 on June 02, 2015, 10:25:17 AM
FWIW, the rumors that I've heard are that the AD wants Otz, but the President wants to make a "splash" (whatever that means).
Leitao's already got a job.
Quote from: LittleWade on June 02, 2015, 08:43:37 AM
Who wouldn't be interested in Georges Niang? Extremely doubtful that he's going anywhere. I doubt Jameel McKay is going anywhere even if he qualifies as a grad waiver guy. Jameel likely wouldn't have an interest in competing with Ellenson for minutes in his one year anyway. Monte Morris would be a nice pickup, but there probably isn't room for him at the inn now that Rowsey is on board. Those are about the only guys that could compete for MU's attention with Kyle Washington who Woj and company are recruiting hard.
It may take some getting used to, but now that Wojo has a year under his belt, roster spots at MU will be much scarcer then they have been in the past, and I believe after this year transfers will be far less common.
Hoiberg to the Bulls was a badly kept secret for some time. T.J. Otzelberger returned this season as assistant as a head coach in waiting, although the Iowa State president might throw a wrench into that plan, preferring a bigger name guy. If the AD gets his way and Otzelberger is in then the transition should be rather smooth, actually.
Niang won't be eligible. The guy is too far off from graduating so he'd have to sit.
I don't think anyone will transfer at least of their main rotation. A bunch of upperclassman and that team will be real good.
Now when Niang, Nader, McKay and Long all graduate and Morris likely leaves for the draft. Then that team will be screwed and probably have transfers if the coach ain't workin.
Have to say the Ames folk are delusional.
Just because a hometown hero took your program from being complete garbage and got you into the tourney(not much from there). It doesn't make you a destination job.
Some of those candidates they list are hilarious.
Crean to ISU.
Quote from: MUWarrior2007 on June 02, 2015, 10:25:17 AM
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/06/01/next-list-iowa-state-coaching-candidates/28131227/
My favorite two names on this list are Chris Mack and Dana Altman. Why would you leave Xavier or Oregon for Iowa State...? Heck, why would Archie Miller waste his time moving from Dayton to a school destined to be back in the dregs of the Big 12 in the next 2 years?
FWIW, the rumors that I've heard are that the AD wants Otz, but the President wants to make a "splash" (whatever that means).
Just like why would you leave MU for VT? Oh wait...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 02, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
You're joking, but I think Buzz would be a perfect fit at a place like Iowa St. Won't happen - he's not leaving Va Tech this soon.
Yes, you are right. He will be at VT as long as they want him!
Take a former ISU player naturally!
Julius Michalik
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/high-school/2015/04/14/former-iowa-state-forward-julius-michalik-new-fort-dodge-dodgers-girls-basketball-coach/25785827/
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 02, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
Where did you hear that?
If that is true, either the President or Pollard screwed up when TJ was brought back to ISU.
Well he is a known cheater but I don't know if that will preclude him from getting the job. That has always been a joke, Hoiberg is loved and respected but they cheat something awful and TJ is the #1 culprit.
I trust you have something substantive to back that up?
Yeah first I'm hearing of cheating lol
I mean the team has racked up a few DWIs over what most coaches would want. But cheating?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 02, 2015, 09:03:30 PM
I trust you have something substantive to back that up?
Just the words of more than a few D1 coaches. That program is as crooked as they come.
Quote from: Black Swan on June 02, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
Just the words of more than a few D1 coaches. That program is as crooked as they come.
That's not exactly substantive.
Quote from: Black Swan on June 02, 2015, 08:56:08 PM
Well he is a known cheater but I don't know if that will preclude him from getting the job. That has always been a joke, Hoiberg is loved and respected but they cheat something awful and TJ is the #1 culprit.
I have heard that Iowa State has contacted players who are under scholarship at other universities to talk to them about transferring. However, I have heard that about most programs in D1. Hoiberg is just the most convincing.
Could Wally technically count as a track scholarship and be a walk on for basketball? Just curious. Not sure how this works. But wouldn't be shocked if we oversign and HE comes back that one Ellenson would be a walk on. Thoughts?
Quote from: Shark on June 03, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
Could Wally technically count as a track scholarship and be a walk on for basketball? Just curious. Not sure how this works. But wouldn't be shocked if we oversign and HE comes back that one Ellenson would be a walk on. Thoughts?
Whose "HE?"
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 02, 2015, 10:38:21 PM
That's not exactly substantive.
Yes it is....it is common sense. Look how many tansfers they have procured over the years. That is 'substantive.'
Put all those together. Don't make me name any names...
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 02, 2015, 09:17:12 PM
Yeah first I'm hearing of cheating lol
I mean the team has racked up a few DWIs over what most coaches would want. But cheating?
Yes cheating if he is contacting when they are on scholarship on another team and word gets to them that his kid wants to go.
I bet they tell kids friends to pass it along that we take you if you get mad and unsatisfed with your present team.
We'll take you.
Quote from: Windyplayer on June 02, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
Have any names been floated out there? I know TJ has been and is the front runnner.
Who is TJ? SPELL HIS NAME OUT...You assume I know who the heck that is?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 02, 2015, 09:22:59 AM
maybe we can get Burton and McKay back, ai'na?
They would have to sit out another year to come back here? If so that is not happening.
Would love Burton back...pipe dream perhaps.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on June 03, 2015, 12:04:33 AM
Yes it is....it is common sense. Look how many tansfers they have procured over the years. That is 'substantive.'
Put all those together. Don't make me name any names...
Uhh no it's not.
Saying you "heard" something without any proof of it is not substantive. Might want to brush up on the English language. Them having transfers isn't substantive either. Like at all...
I have substantive proof that Bryce Harper is actually a woman. I heard from numerous people. And look at all his different hairstyles. That is substantive.
If there was substantive proof, ISU would be under probation. They sure do have an uncanny knack for being first in line for every transfer. I'm sure it's just coincidence.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on June 03, 2015, 12:10:20 AM
Who is TJ? SPELL HIS NAME OUT...You assume I know who the heck that is?
TJ is....TJ...
TJ Otzelberger.
If you read the thread, instead of coming here and demanding that we educate you, you would find that out pretty quickly.
Quote from: Shark on June 03, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
Could Wally technically count as a track scholarship and be a walk on for basketball? Just curious. Not sure how this works. But wouldn't be shocked if we oversign and HE comes back that one Ellenson would be a walk on. Thoughts?
No. You cannot be a scholarship athlete in one sport and walk on for basketball or football.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 03, 2015, 05:38:07 AM
If there was substantive proof, ISU would be under probation. They sure do have an uncanny knack for being first in line for every transfer. I'm sure it's just coincidence.
They get most of their transfers from midwestern schools. They are likely real aggressive about reaching out to people like AAU coaches when they get word that someone is going to transfer. That isn't against the rules.
I mean, how do people think Marquette does it?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 02, 2015, 08:53:34 AM
That Rowsey transfer is still a head scratcher to me. I think Wojo had much better options then only having 1 open scholarship for Coffey and transfers
I think Rowsey is a signal that Wojo didn't think he could land a quality PG in 2016. Rowsey can be the backup PG (or even the starter if he surprises) and Wojo now has 2 years to land a stud PG for 2017.
Washington will get the last 2016 scholarship. I'm very confident about that. However if Coffey wants to be here, a scholarship will appear. Either Henry going pro, Wally going to the Olympics, someone transferring, or Wojo not renewing the worst player's scholarship. Kostas I think only gets a schollie if two or more players leave or he truly skyrockets like Jerry Meyer seems to think he will.
Quote from: Shark on June 03, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
You're kidding right?
Read a few of his posts after that one. I don't think he is kidding. In an uproar over people not spelling out names. Lol.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 03, 2015, 10:43:32 AM
I think Rowsey is a signal that Wojo didn't think he could land a quality PG in 2016. Rowsey can be the backup PG (or even the starter if he surprises) and Wojo now has 2 years to land a stud PG for 2017.
Washington will get the last 2016 scholarship. I'm very confident about that. However if Coffey wants to be here, a scholarship will appear. Either Henry going pro, Wally going to the Olympics, someone transferring, or Wojo not renewing the worst player's scholarship. Kostas I think only gets a schollie if two or more players leave or he truly skyrockets like Jerry Meyer seems to think he will.
I am very confident that if Coffey, Washington, and Kostas all want to come to MU, there will be sufficient schollies available. It is the nature of most major D1 basketball programs these days.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on June 03, 2015, 12:10:20 AM
Who is TJ? SPELL HIS NAME OUT...You assume I know who the heck that is?
So you feel confident that Iowa State is cheating, but don't know enough about their program to know the name of their lead assistant and head coach-elect? Interesting...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 03, 2015, 07:34:56 AM
No. You cannot be a scholarship athlete in one sport and walk on for basketball or football.
But if we were to start a crappy football team, we could have what....65 or 85 basketball players on FB scholarships that would then walk on for hoops ;D
So Hornacek declined ISU's invitation to talk about their vacancy. Never a realistic target anyway.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 03, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
So Hornacek declined ISU's invitation to talk about their vacancy. Never a realistic target anyway.
Goodman tweeted earlier that the Murry St. and Stephen F Austin coaches are in the mix. Which got me thinking if they hire someone else then I assume TJ leaves and their Wisconsin pipeline shuts down.
Also if TJ does leave did we jump the gun in hiring Stan Johnson? I'm very excited that he's on the staff and love his west coast connections, but figured I'd bring this up as something to dicuss.
What pipeline does ISU really have to Wisconsin? They picked up a couple high school players that neither of the top programs wanted (Thomas, Nick), two transfers from Marquette, and one from Michigan State. Until ISU starts pulling in the top players from the state, I am not going to be worried. (And I don't think that's happening any time soon.)
And who really knows how interested Wojo would have been in TJO? Wojo seems to be doing just fine.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on June 03, 2015, 11:08:43 AM
I am very confident that if Coffey, Washington, and Kostas all want to come to MU, there will be sufficient schollies available. It is the nature of most major D1 basketball programs these days.
There will 1,000% be a schollie for Coffey if he says he wants to come. No question about that.
Henry, a senior Luke and junior Duane would be the only 3 that could be better than him. Unless we have some really surprises this year....which would be awesome...and we'd still make room anyways.
Quote from: swoopem on June 03, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Goodman tweeted earlier that the Murry St. and Stephen F Austin coaches are in the mix. Which got me thinking if they hire someone else then I assume TJ leaves and their Wisconsin pipeline shuts down.
Also if TJ does leave did we jump the gun in hiring Stan Johnson? I'm very excited that he's on the staff and love his west coast connections, but figured I'd bring this up as something to dicuss.
TJO (Thomas John Otzelberger) just signed a one-year contract and would most likely stay if they hired a guy like Steve Prohm, who is a realistic candidate. That is assuming TJO would not get other offers to be head coach (which is his goal). Even if he doesn't get the job, this process has really raised his profile. It's only a matter of time before he gets his shot.
Despite the rumors to the contrary, TJO was not promised the head coaching job when he came back (if/when Hoiberg left). That is an absolute fact. He was told by Pollard that he would be his guy if Hoiberg left, and lobby hard for him. But it is not Pollard's call alone. The president and influential alums want a big name. Problem with the big name is that it requires a big salary. And the mayor was "only" pulling down 2.3 mil. Can't see them paying a mid-level guy like Prohm or Bryce Drew more than the mayor or comparable, so here we are. They could get TJO for cheap. Pollard is a Wisconsin guy, ran track at UW-Oshkosh and knows TJO well. If they don't choose TJO, wouldn't be surprised if they kept him just to keep the upperclassmen happy. Hoiberg and TJO are tight and most of the current guys are loyal to them. I'm told Monte Morris is the lone wolf and more in the camp of a different ISU assistant. It will be interesting.
So glad DePaul was so dull enough not to interview TJO.
Quote from: Shark on June 03, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
You're kidding right?
Same dude who didn't know what RC is. From one of my posts.
Lol. Omg. CNBC. Lmao. GTFO.
head explodes....
NM
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on June 03, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
TJO (Thomas John Otzelberger) just signed a one-year contract and would most likely stay if they hired a guy like Steve Prohm, who is a realistic candidate. That is assuming TJO would not get other offers to be head coach (which is his goal). Even if he doesn't get the job, this process has really raised his profile. It's only a matter of time before he gets his shot.
TJ is a relatively young guy as well. To jump straight to a P5 conference job would be a big deal.
One of the candidates mentioned is Lindsey Hunter...wait what? Only a few years as an NBA assistant and as disastrous spell as a NBA HC in their? And no ties to the program other than being replaced in Phoenix by Hornacek? Yeesh.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 04, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
TJ is a relatively young guy as well. To jump straight to a P5 conference job would be a big deal.
Add the fact he has baby twins under a year old and this has to be a pretty tense time. Good dude. Hope it goes his way.
Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.
Quote from: swoopem on June 08, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.
I'm amazed it took this long for him to get a high major offer. Should be a good pickup for the Cyclones
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 08, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
I'm amazed it took this long for him to get a high major offer. Should be a good pickup for the Cyclones
He's been a head coach for four years after Billy Kennedy when to A&M. His first year at Murray was the year Marquette knocked them out of the tournament in the round of 32. He hasn't been back to the big dance again. No midwest connections that I can see.
He may end up being a good hire, but I guess we will have to see.
Quote from: swoopem on June 08, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.
So TJ lost out to the "big splash" the President at ISU wanted? Really? Steve Prohm is barely a ripple in the water. If I'm TJ I'm looking to move on ASAP.
Prohm is highly thought of within the business. Had a couple opportunities over last two years in the SEC and passed on one offer.
It's a very good hire, especially since it's nearly the ides of June.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 08, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
Prohm is highly thought of within the business. Had a couple opportunities over last two years in the SEC and passed on one offer.
It's a very good hire, especially since it's nearly the ides of June.
This might well be true but it certainly isn't a "big splash."
Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 08, 2015, 11:31:10 AM
He's been a head coach for four years after Billy Kennedy when to A&M. His first year at Murray was the year Marquette knocked them out of the tournament in the round of 32. He hasn't been back to the big dance again. No midwest connections that I can see.
He may end up being a good hire, but I guess we will have to see.
4 straight seasons of 21+ wins is about the best you can hope for from an Ohio Valley Conference team. Outside of Gregg Marshall and Mark Few, I can't think of a mid major coach (who hasn't been scooped up already) who has had a better four years.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."
Uh...no thanks.
Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2015, 01:55:25 PM
Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.
Don't see that risk for ISU this year.
The risk will be if he can recruit the area and keep them at a respectable level Nd without TJO that may become harder.
Niang, Long, McKay, Nader are all seniors who ain't leaving at this point. Morris won't bolt in December he will stick it with this this top 10 squad and then likely declare for the draft next spring.
No shot Morris gonna transfer and sit out when he's close to the league as is.
Clones will be fine for this year, beyond that could be in big trouble.
I'm not sure where the "splash" narrative originated but I know Scoop enough that it won't die anytime soon.
Prohm is a proven HC, which ISU valued higher on the need scale so TJ was doomed, who developed a lottery pick-led stud team that was a prayer half court shot away from rolling into the NCAA Tournament with 30 wins. That would have been two of four years with a stud team stockpiling 30 wins into late March. 50% not a terrible return for a mid-major program.
He'll avoid some of the rookie mistakes that come with coaches who have never been an HC which will smooth the transition for the Cyclones nation. But, let's see the fallout when he issues #32 in the '16-'17 season before we make our minds up.
I would love McKay
LAST YEAR.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on June 08, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
I'm not sure where the "splash" narrative originated but I know Scoop enough that it won't die anytime soon.
Prohm is a proven HC, which ISU valued higher on the need scale so TJ was doomed, who developed a lottery pick-led stud team that was a prayer half court shot away from rolling into the NCAA Tournament with 30 wins. That would have been two of four years with a stud team stockpiling 30 wins into late March. 50% not a terrible return for a mid-major program.
He'll avoid some of the rookie mistakes that come with coaches who have never been an HC which will smooth the transition for the Cyclones nation. But, let's see the fallout when he issues #32 in the '16-'17 season before we make our minds up.
The "splash" narrative didn't start here. I think Parrish was the first to use it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2015, 01:55:25 PM
Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.
You never, ever, ever make a hire worried about what the kids in the program might do in the offseason. Never. Or even what they might do a year from the hire. Nor do you ever make a hire based on whether an assistant coach may leave or not.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2015, 05:44:44 PM
You never, ever, ever make a hire worried about what the kids in the program might do in the offseason. Never. Or even what they might do a year from the hire. Nor do you ever make a hire based on whether an assistant coach may leave or not.
9/10 times I'd agree with you, but Iowa State is bringing back a legitimate title contender. Iowa State may never have a team this good again. This isn't a rebuild, this is a time where personally I'd say you focus on maximizing this possibly generational team and worry about the future after the present work is done.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
This might well be true but it certainly isn't a "big splash."
Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."
How is someone who continually got lost in the BMO Harris Bradley Center supposed to find his way back from Iowa?
Quote from: LittleWade on June 08, 2015, 07:53:16 PM
How is someone who continually got lost in the BMO Harris Bradley Center supposed to find his way back from Iowa?
Well played.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2015, 06:57:59 PM
9/10 times I'd agree with you, but Iowa State is bringing back a legitimate title contender. Iowa State may never have a team this good again. This isn't a rebuild, this is a time where personally I'd say you focus on maximizing this possibly generational team and worry about the future after the present work is done.
If players are going to transfer off a "legitimate title contender" because they didn't hire who they wanted as coach, then I would argue with that type of attitude, they had no chance to win the title in the first place.
Quote from: LittleWade on June 08, 2015, 07:53:16 PM
How is someone who continually got lost in the BMO Harris Bradley Center supposed to find his way back from Iowa?
easy...it is interstates all the way from Ames.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 09, 2015, 08:07:30 AM
If players are going to transfer off a "legitimate title contender" because they didn't hire who they wanted as coach, then I would argue with that type of attitude, they had no chance to win the title in the first place.
Yeah there is a 0% chance of a transfer from their main players this year.
After this season transfers/recruiting may take a hit if Prohm don't do his job.
But hoibergs lineup will be out there this year
I can confirm that schools and coaches have been texting Nader. Don't know who and he really hasn't shown any mutual interest but there are some very interested coaches if h3 doesn't like the new coach.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2015, 08:30:19 PM
I can confirm that schools and coaches have been texting Nader. Don't know who and he really hasn't shown any mutual interest but there are some very interested coaches if h3 doesn't like the new coach.
Is he eligible to transfer and play?
I know at one point that Niang was looking but he ain't close to graduating.
I'd be shocked if Nader leaves. No chance on the other upperclassmen.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 09, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
Is he eligible to transfer and play?
I know at one point that Niang was looking but he ain't close to graduating.
I'd be shocked if Nader leaves. No chance on the other upperclassmen.
I would guess he's would be eligible. He transfer from Northern illinois so he already sat out a year. I agree I don't think he transfers but the feelers from coaches have been thrown out there.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
I would guess he's would be eligible. He transfer from Northern illinois so he already sat out a year. I agree I don't think he transfers but the feelers from coaches have been thrown out there.
If it would give me a shot at keeping my 2 to 3 million a year gig, I'd text other people's players too.
Most likely some coaches realized that their school could offer a better educational experience to Nadir the student. If he helps their basketball team that'd be secondary, just like athlete is secondary in the phrase student-athlete. Chicos, help me out here, you've got this stuff down cold.
Quote from: LittleWade on June 10, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
If it would give me a shot at keeping my 2 to 3 million a year gig, I'd text other people's players too.
Most likely some coaches realized that their school could offer a better educational experience to Nadir the student. If he helps their basketball team that'd be secondary, just like athlete is secondary in the phrase student-athlete. Chicos, help me out here, you've got this stuff down cold.
If someone poached an ISU player in such a fashion, it would be akin to the old "one lawyer" the bottom of the ocean" in terms of just desserts.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
I would guess he's would be eligible. He transfer from Northern illinois so he already sat out a year. I agree I don't think he transfers but the feelers from coaches have been thrown out there.
If true, Iowa State should report who those coaches are to the NCAA immediately. Somehow I find it odd that they would be this stupid to do this on a trackable device. Highly skeptical. Easier to do it like a certain coach did with back channels....avoid getting your hands dirty officially. Quacking....
Everything that's been done has been legal (believe it or not) lot of tiptoing the line but nothing crossed so far.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 10, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
Everything that's been done has been legal (believe it or not) lot of tiptoing the line but nothing crossed so far.
Legal ≠ Honest
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
I would guess he's would be eligible. He transfer from Northern illinois so he already sat out a year. I agree I don't think he transfers but the feelers from coaches have been thrown out there.
Just because he sat out a year wouldn't make him eligible. He would have to graduate to be eligible as a grad transfer.
And is he really going to determine if he doesn't like the new coach, and possibly transfer, in June? That is pretty short-sighted.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2015, 12:38:23 AM
If true, Iowa State should report who those coaches are to the NCAA immediately. Somehow I find it odd that they would be this stupid to do this on a trackable device. Highly skeptical. Easier to do it like a certain coach did with back channels....avoid getting your hands dirty officially. Quacking....
Yep, except for that time he got caught in Gary Harris's high school gym during a no contact period Crean was careful to back channel the squirmy stuff.
Every coach back channels. Is it right? No. Is it a common practice necessary to keep up with the Joneses? Yep.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
I would guess he's would be eligible. He transfer from Northern illinois so he already sat out a year. I agree I don't think he transfers but the feelers from coaches have been thrown out there.
Wojo??? Feed Nader some advice!!!
I still don't really think he's that great of a player but we could actually really use someone like him for this 1 season.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 10, 2015, 07:43:07 AM
Just because he sat out a year wouldn't make him eligible. He would have to graduate to be eligible as a grad transfer.
And is he really going to determine if he doesn't like the new coach, and possibly transfer, in June? That is pretty short-sighted.
I'm aware, but hea already been in college 4 years. I'll I think he transfers, no, but Ab has never been the brightest of kids so who knows.