Iowa State transfers?

[brewcity77]

So Hornacek declined ISU's invitation to talk about their vacancy. Never a realistic target anyway.

[swoopem]

So Hornacek declined ISU's invitation to talk about their vacancy. Never a realistic target anyway.

Goodman tweeted earlier that the Murry St. and Stephen F Austin coaches are in the mix. Which got me thinking if they hire someone else then I assume TJ leaves and their Wisconsin pipeline shuts down.

Also if TJ does leave did we jump the gun in hiring Stan Johnson? I'm very excited that he's on the staff and love his west coast connections, but figured I'd bring this up as something to dicuss.

[GGGG]

What pipeline does ISU really have to Wisconsin?  They picked up a couple high school players that neither of the top programs wanted (Thomas, Nick), two transfers from Marquette, and one from Michigan State.  Until ISU starts pulling in the top players from the state, I am not going to be worried.  (And I don't think that's happening any time soon.)

And who really knows how interested Wojo would have been in TJO?  Wojo seems to be doing just fine.

[PGsHeroes32]

I am very confident that if Coffey, Washington, and Kostas all want to come to MU, there will be sufficient schollies available.  It is the nature of most major D1 basketball programs these days.

There will 1,000% be a schollie for Coffey if he says he wants to come. No question about that.

Henry, a senior Luke and junior Duane would be the only 3 that could be better than him. Unless we have some really surprises this year....which would be awesome...and we'd still make room anyways.

[Freeport Warrior]

Goodman tweeted earlier that the Murry St. and Stephen F Austin coaches are in the mix. Which got me thinking if they hire someone else then I assume TJ leaves and their Wisconsin pipeline shuts down.

Also if TJ does leave did we jump the gun in hiring Stan Johnson? I'm very excited that he's on the staff and love his west coast connections, but figured I'd bring this up as something to dicuss.

TJO (Thomas John Otzelberger) just signed a one-year contract and would most likely stay if they hired a guy like Steve Prohm, who is a realistic candidate. That is assuming TJO would not get other offers to be head coach (which is his goal). Even if he doesn't get the job, this process has really raised his profile. It's only a matter of time before he gets his shot.

Despite the rumors to the contrary, TJO was not promised the head coaching job when he came back (if/when Hoiberg left). That is an absolute fact. He was told by Pollard that he would be his guy if Hoiberg left, and lobby hard for him. But it is not Pollard's call alone. The president and influential alums want a big name. Problem with the big name is that it requires a big salary. And the mayor was "only" pulling down 2.3 mil. Can't see them paying a mid-level guy like Prohm or Bryce Drew more than the mayor or comparable, so here we are. They could get TJO for cheap. Pollard is a Wisconsin guy, ran track at UW-Oshkosh and knows TJO well. If they don't choose TJO, wouldn't be surprised if they kept him just to keep the upperclassmen happy. Hoiberg and TJO are tight and most of the current guys are loyal to them. I'm told Monte Morris is the lone wolf and more in the camp of a different ISU assistant. It will be interesting.

[77ncaachamps]

So glad DePaul was so dull enough not to interview TJO.

[real chili 83]

You're kidding right?

Same dude who didn't know what RC is.  From one of my posts.

Lol. Omg.  CNBC.  Lmao.  GTFO.

head explodes....

NM

[JWags85]

TJO (Thomas John Otzelberger) just signed a one-year contract and would most likely stay if they hired a guy like Steve Prohm, who is a realistic candidate. That is assuming TJO would not get other offers to be head coach (which is his goal). Even if he doesn't get the job, this process has really raised his profile. It's only a matter of time before he gets his shot.

TJ is a relatively young guy as well.  To jump straight to a P5 conference job would be a big deal.

One of the candidates mentioned is Lindsey Hunter...wait what?  Only a few years as an NBA assistant and as disastrous spell as a NBA HC in their?  And no ties to the program other than being replaced in Phoenix by Hornacek?  Yeesh.

[Freeport Warrior]

TJ is a relatively young guy as well.  To jump straight to a P5 conference job would be a big deal.

Add the fact he has baby twins under a year old and this has to be a pretty tense time. Good dude. Hope it goes his way.

[swoopem]

Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.

I'm amazed it took this long for him to get a high major offer. Should be a good pickup for the Cyclones

[GGGG]

I'm amazed it took this long for him to get a high major offer. Should be a good pickup for the Cyclones

He's been a head coach for four years after Billy Kennedy when to A&M.  His first year at Murray was the year Marquette knocked them out of the tournament in the round of 32.  He hasn't been back to the big dance again.  No midwest connections that I can see.

He may end up being a good hire, but I guess we will have to see.

[Lennys Tap]

Iowa St hires Steve Prohm who was at Murry St before.

So TJ lost out to the "big splash" the President at ISU wanted? Really? Steve Prohm is barely a ripple in the water. If I'm TJ I'm looking to move on ASAP.

[Golden Avalanche]

Prohm is highly thought of within the business. Had a couple opportunities over last two years in the SEC and passed on one offer.

It's a very good hire, especially since it's nearly the ides of June.

[MU82]

Prohm is highly thought of within the business. Had a couple opportunities over last two years in the SEC and passed on one offer.

It's a very good hire, especially since it's nearly the ides of June.

This might well be true but it certainly isn't a "big splash."

Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He's been a head coach for four years after Billy Kennedy when to A&M.  His first year at Murray was the year Marquette knocked them out of the tournament in the round of 32.  He hasn't been back to the big dance again.  No midwest connections that I can see.

He may end up being a good hire, but I guess we will have to see.

4 straight seasons of 21+ wins is about the best you can hope for from an Ohio Valley Conference team. Outside of Gregg Marshall and Mark Few, I can't think of a mid major coach (who hasn't been scooped up already) who has had a better four years.

[GGGG]

Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."

Uh...no thanks.

[brewcity77]

Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.

[PGsHeroes32]

Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.

Don't see that risk for ISU this year.

The risk will be if he can recruit the area and keep them at a respectable level Nd without TJO that may become harder.

Niang, Long, McKay, Nader are all seniors who ain't leaving at this point. Morris won't bolt in December he will stick it with this this top 10 squad and then likely declare for the draft next spring.

No shot Morris gonna transfer and sit out when he's close to the league as is.

Clones will be fine for this year, beyond that could be in big trouble.

[Golden Avalanche]

I'm not sure where the "splash" narrative originated but I know Scoop enough that it won't die anytime soon.

Prohm is a proven HC, which ISU valued higher on the need scale so TJ was doomed, who developed a lottery pick-led stud team that was a prayer half court shot away from rolling into the NCAA Tournament with 30 wins. That would have been two of four years with a stud team stockpiling 30 wins into late March. 50% not a terrible return for a mid-major program.

He'll avoid some of the rookie mistakes that come with coaches who have never been an HC which will smooth the transition for the Cyclones nation. But, let's see the fallout when he issues #32 in the '16-'17 season before we make our minds up.

[77ncaachamps]

I would love McKay

LAST YEAR.

[GGGG]

I'm not sure where the "splash" narrative originated but I know Scoop enough that it won't die anytime soon.

Prohm is a proven HC, which ISU valued higher on the need scale so TJ was doomed, who developed a lottery pick-led stud team that was a prayer half court shot away from rolling into the NCAA Tournament with 30 wins. That would have been two of four years with a stud team stockpiling 30 wins into late March. 50% not a terrible return for a mid-major program.

He'll avoid some of the rookie mistakes that come with coaches who have never been an HC which will smooth the transition for the Cyclones nation. But, let's see the fallout when he issues #32 in the '16-'17 season before we make our minds up.

The "splash" narrative didn't start here. I think Parrish was the first to use it.

[wadesworld]

Surprised by this for a couple reasons. First, I don't see Prohm as a "big splash" hire at all. He's a known name, but this isn't like landing a Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart type of guy that has made a major impact with a mid-major program. Second, while TJO likely sticks this year (probably too late to get any other jobs) I think he'll almost certainly be getting a HC job (albeit maybe not high-major) come next March/April. Third is the simple continuity risk. The program is headed for a top-10 ranking with a great core of players that would have likely stayed with TJO as he knew or recruited many of them. Prohm is an unknown which almost always leads to roster turnover. It happened with Buzz, it happened with Wojo, it happens every year around the country. It's entirely possible that come December or maybe even before the end of summer, guys like Monte Morris will be looking for greener pastures. Seems like a risky hire considering their circumstance.

You never, ever, ever make a hire worried about what the kids in the program might do in the offseason. Never. Or even what they might do a year from the hire. Nor do you ever make a hire based on whether an assistant coach may leave or not.

[brewcity77]

You never, ever, ever make a hire worried about what the kids in the program might do in the offseason. Never. Or even what they might do a year from the hire. Nor do you ever make a hire based on whether an assistant coach may leave or not.

9/10 times I'd agree with you, but Iowa State is bringing back a legitimate title contender. Iowa State may never have a team this good again. This isn't a rebuild, this is a time where personally I'd say you focus on maximizing this possibly generational team and worry about the future after the present work is done.

[Dawson Rental]

This might well be true but it certainly isn't a "big splash."

Come back, Deonte! Get your transfer "annulled."

How is someone who continually got lost in the BMO Harris Bradley Center supposed to find his way back from Iowa?